LA Auto Show: 2017 Buick LaCrosse: Comments

[Drew Dowdell]

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At the 2015 LA Auto Show today, Buick unveiled the 2017 Buick LaCrosse.

 

Using a phrase that was once a selling point for cars in the 1950, Buick released details on the Lacrosse for 2017 to make it longer, lower, and wider. but unlike the 1950s, Buick is now adding "lighter" to the list. The 2017 LaCrosse's chassis drops 300 lbs from the outgoing model, yet through the use of stronger steel, the chassis is stronger. Some of the weight loss also comes from new materials used in Buick's Quiet Tuning process that are lower in weight.

 

With that weight loss, Buick expects the 2017 to be more fuel efficient than it's predecessor. Adding to the fuel economy gain is a new 3.6 liter V6 with cylinder deactivation and automatic start-stop, paired with a new 8-speed automatic front wheel drive transmission. Power remains about the same at 305 horsepower and 268 lb-ft of torque. A new twin-clutch all-wheel drive system is available, similar to that in the new 2017 Cadillac XT5, that can split torque side to side in the rear for added control or disconnect from the rear wheels for added fuel economy.

 

The wheelbase of the LaCrosse has been increased 2.7 inches while overall length is up 0.6 inches. This pushes the wheels closer to the corners of the car to give it a more athletic appearance.

 

Inside a new sweeping and floating center console integrates directly into the center stack both moving controls closer to the driver and providing storage space underneath. Three new trim choices are available along with Moonglow LED accent lighting.

 

On the tech front, Buick's Intellilink system has been updated to the newest software with an 8 inch diagonal screen, and Apple CarPlay and Android Auto are now included. Safety technology abounds with standard and available features such as 10 standard airbags, front pedestrian braking, forward automatic braking, automatic cruise control, and more.

 

You can follow all of our coverage of the 2015 LA Auto Show here or follow us on Facebook, Twitter, and Google+

 

Buick's press release is on page 2

 

 

Source and Photos: Buick Media

 

 

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Buick Introduces All-New 2017 LaCrosse

Leaner and sleeker with effortless technology

 

LOS ANGELES – Beautifully crafted and thoughtfully innovative, the 2017 Buick LaCrosse offers full-size sedan customers a striking, all-new design, sophisticated technologies and more-responsive performance.

 

The next-generation LaCrosse also introduces the new face of Buick, which is influenced by the dramatic cues of the award-winning Avenir concept. Notably, it features a new grille design with a large opening distinguished by the return of a three-color – red, silver and blue – Buick tri-shield insignia, accented by wing-shaped elements set against darkened waterfall grille bars.

 

Buick revealed the 2017 LaCrosse today at the Los Angeles Auto Show. It goes on sale early next summer.

 

“The new LaCrosse signals the next phase of Buick’s international momentum,” said Duncan Aldred, vice president of Buick Sales and Marketing. “Its quietness, comfort and connectivity were developed to set new standards in the segment, supported by technologies not offered on competitors such as the Lexus ES. It is also drop-dead gorgeous.”

 

Longer, lower and wider than the current model, the 2017 LaCrosse is built on a stronger yet lighter structure. In fact, it is about 300 pounds lighter than the current LaCrosse – thanks largely to the use of press-hardened, high-strength steels – which contributes to greater efficiency and more responsive handling.

 

The new LaCrosse’s lower weight is also due in part to new, dissipative sound-absorbing materials that are lower in mass, but provide more effective sound attenuation, resulting in a new threshold for Buick’s signature QuietTuning and forming a pillar of the car’s enhanced comfort.

 

The balance of the efficiency equation comes from a technologically advanced, second-generation 3.6L V-6 paired with a new eight-speed automatic transmission. Standard Stop/Start technology improves efficiency in stop-and-go driving.

 

Additional new and enhanced features include:

• New five-link rear suspension and available HiPer Strut front suspension
• Available electronically controlled Continuous Damping Control active suspension with selectable Touring and Sport modes
• Driver-selectable Electronic Precision Shift
• Advanced, all-new dual-clutch AWD system (available)
• Efficiency-enhancing low-drag disc brakes with Duralife rotors
• Electric power steering system with Lead/Pull Compensation
• Easier rear-seat entry/egress and more usable storage space
• Technologies including available wireless charging, available Teen Driver and configurable, LED driver information center with 8-inch-diagonal color display
• Perforated leather-appointed front seats with new lumbar massaging feature
• IntelliLink with frameless 8-inch-diagonal color touchscreen featuring Apple CarPlay, Android Auto and OnStar 4G LTE with Wi-Fi hotspot integration.
  

 

The 2017 LaCrosse also features extensive active and passive safety features that offer driver awareness and protection surrounding the vehicle, including:

• Ten standard air bags – including two knee air bags for front passengers
• Front Pedestrian Braking, which alerts drivers to and can automatically apply the brakes for pedestrians detected directly ahead in some driving conditions
• Lane Keep Assist, which provides gentle steering wheel turns – and Lane Departure Warning alerts, if necessary – to help drivers avoid crashes due to unintentionally drifting out of their lane
• Automatic Park Assist, which helps the driver parallel park/perpendicular park by automatically steering the vehicle into a detected parking space while the driver applies the brakes
• Adaptive Cruise Control
• Forward Automatic Braking
• Forward Collision Alert
• Lane Change Alert with Side Blind Zone Alert
• Rear Vision Camera
• Safety Alert Seat.
  

 

“The blend of sophisticated technologies and advanced safety systems offer a more enjoyable and engaging driving experience,” said Aldred. “It’s a rewarding sedan for those who seek luxurious appointments, style and quality.”

 

New face of Buick
The new LaCrosse’s expressive exterior design creates a new proportion, rendering a more dramatic road presence. The front wheels have been pulled forward and the wheelbase stretched 2.7 inches (65 mm), while the overall length is only 0.6-inch longer (15 mm). The dynamic proportion is further enhanced by a roofline that’s 1.6 inches (40 mm) lower than the current model.

 

The longer wheelbase is matched by wheels pushed outward 1.3 inches (33 mm) in the front and 1.1 inches (28 mm) in the rear, while the car’s width has grown only 0.4-inch (10 mm), creating a wheels-at-corners stance that conveys road confidence.

 

“It’s a sleeker design that looks confident and purposeful,” said Holt Ware, exterior design director. “Stretching the wheelbase, lowering the roofline and making it slightly wider creates a dramatic effect that is enhanced by the design’s supporting elements such as the swept headlamps.”

 

LaCrosse’s new proportion is further complemented by an all-new grille that signals the next chapter in Buick’s design anthology. Inspired by the Avenir concept, it’s distinguished by a new, three-color tri-shield insignia set on a wing-shaped element. Contrasting with darkened waterfall grille bars and spanning the width of the opening, it connects the grille and headlamps, and emphasizes LaCrosse’s new sculptural surfacing. The design was introduced on the Avenir concept and was inspired by the 1954 Wildcat II concept.

 

“It’s the new face of Buick – one that reflects the sophistication, modernity and international reach of this evolving brand,” said Ware. “The new, winged motif also emphasizes the wider, lower proportion of the LaCrosse.”

 

The signature sweepspear body-side design element has been reinterpreted in a modern fashion, enhancing the car’s sculptural identity. It has a split design that gives the body side a greater perception of depth, while picking up additional body lines, for an elegant, uninterrupted flow from the front fenders to the rear.

 

The 2017 LaCrosse’s body lines are reinforced by a longer, uninterrupted “daylight opening” – the portion of the upper body between the A- and C-pillars. They’re ringed with chrome, which adds a tastefully restrained premium accent to the body side.

 

Other details blend form and function such as outside mirrors mounted on pedestals on the doors rather than the corners of the front side windows. The design offers a greater field of view, while the mirror housings were shaped in the wind tunnel to help reduce wind noise.

 

Aerodynamic considerations also drove the dynamic sweep of the decklid, which acts as a spoiler to optimize airflow over the LaCrosse, and the front of the car features deflectors in front of the tires to reduce drag.

 

Additional exterior elements include:

• High-intensity discharge headlamps and LED signature lighting are standard
• LED taillamps are standard
• Eighteen-inch wheels are standard and 20-inch wheels are available
• Active grille shutters
• Capless fuel filler on all models.
  

 

Seamless ambience, authentic craftsmanship
The new LaCrosse’s interior is designed to offer an open and inviting space for passengers – one that is relaxing, luxurious and well-connected. Sculpturally beautiful form and premium materials complement technologies developed for effortless interfacing.

 

It is the first Buick with a new single cockpit design aesthetic, characterized by a horizontal form that sweeps across the instrument panel and into the doors. It also incorporates a “floating” center console that positions the controller for the new Electronic Precision Shift high and close to the driver, while creating storage space below the console for items such as a handbag or tablet.

 

“There is fluidity in the interior forms – a seamless ambience that flows throughout the cabin,” said Liz Wetzel, interior design director. “Like the exterior, there is sculptural beauty in the interior’s functionality, complemented with high-quality, authentic materials and exceptional attention to detail.”

 

That attention to detail includes soft materials for virtually every touchpoint; real French stitching on the seats, instrument panel and more; and genuine aluminum sill plates and wood décor trim, depending on the model.

 

“There is a handcrafted essence that is inviting and rewarding,” said Wetzel. “It is clean environment that is designed to refresh and inspire.”

 

A number of new and enhanced available luxury features amplify the LaCrosse’s comfort quotient:

• Three fashion-inspired interior trim choices: Jet Black, Dark Atmosphere and Shale, and Jet Black and Brandy
• Contemporary Moon White ambient lighting
• Eight-way-adjustable heated and ventilated front seats with new massage feature – with improved heating for quicker warm-up on cold mornings
• Perforated leather-appointed seats
• Heated steering wheel with power tilting/telescoping steering column
• Dual-zone automatic climate control
• Power rear sunshade
• Premium Bose^® audio system.
  

 

It also offers greater, more practical storage space and easier access. The rear doors, for example, open wider and offer easier entry/egress, and the trunk not only offers approximately 7 percent more storage space than the current model, but was configured to accommodate four golf bags.

 

Sophisticated, intuitive technologies – including phone integration
As one of the segment’s most technologically advanced vehicles, the new LaCrosse offers a host of communication and convenience features designed for effortless connectivity.

 

The central technology is the latest edition of Buick IntelliLink, which is controlled by a new, frameless 8-inch-diagonal color touchscreen located at the center of an ergonomically optimized instrument panel. Along with the climate system and other features on the “center stack,” it was designed with fewer buttons and controls for more intuitive use.

 

Phone integration technology is paired with IntelliLink and is designed to take phone features users would want to access while driving and put them on the 8-inch display via Apple CarPlay or Android Auto. The features allow customers to use select smartphone apps through the touchscreen interface. Many features can be controlled via voice commands through a button on the steering wheel, helping drivers keep their eyes on the road and hands on the wheel.

 

Additional LaCrosse technology highlights include:

• All-new Electronic Precision Shift – Rather than a traditional shifter, gears are chosen andengaged via a simple toggle pull. It provides smooth, precise andresponsive shifting while enabling added storage in the center console.
• Configurable, high-definition driver information center – Located in the center of the gauge cluster and flanked by round instrument binnacles, it has a large, 8-inch-diagonal full-color display.
  

• Head-up display – This available feature offers four page views: speed, audio, navigation and performance. It also offers alerts for certain active safety features such as Lane Keep Assist and Forward Collision Alert.
• Available Teen Driver Technology – It encourages safe driving habits for new drivers by muting the audio or any device paired with the vehicle when front-seat occupants aren’t wearing their safety belts. It also provides audible and visual warnings when the vehicle is traveling over predetermined speeds – and offers a “report card” for parents.
• Wireless charging – When equipped with this available feature, the phone storage slot in the center console enables inductive charging without the need for plug-ins or cables.
  

 

Buick QuietTuning process
The new LaCrosse builds on the exemplary reputation of the current model – already a benchmark in the segment – to offer an even quieter driving experience that contributes to the car’s comfort and enjoyment.

 

Significantly, the Buick QuietTuning team employed a dissipative approach to sound attenuation rather than the current model’s barrier system. That means the sound is absorbed primarily with a specialized, lightweight dissipative dash mat rather than heavier noise-blocking pads.

 

Additional quieting features include:

• New five-link rear suspension provides greater isolation from road noise than the current four-link design
• Active noise cancellation is standard on all models
• Acoustic wheelhouse liners
• Acoustic-laminated windshield and front side windows
• Triple-sealed doors
• Improved body noise-path sealing
• The windshield wipers “park” below the hood line to reduce wind noise.
  

 

Next-generation powertrain
LaCrosse’s all-new 3.6L V-6 engine with direct injection and dual overhead cams represents the second generation of GM’s acclaimed DOHC V-6 engine family and incorporates new features such as Active Fuel Management (cylinder deactivation) and Stop/Start technology.

 

Active Fuel Management system temporarily deactivates two the 3.6L’s cylinders in light-load driving conditions to enhance fuel efficiency and seamlessly reactivates them when the driver demands full power.

 

With the efficiency-enhancing Stop/Start system, the engine is shut down in certain driving conditions such as stop-and-go city driving to reduce fuel consumption, automatically restarting when the driver takes his or her foot off the brake pedal.

 

Additionally, noise-reducing features including an all-new cam drive system contribute to the vehicle’s benchmark quietness.

 

The 3.6L is estimated at 305 horsepower (227 kW) and 268 lb-ft of torque (363 Nm); and it’s matched with a new eight-speed automatic transmission.

 

Balanced, efficient driving experience
Thanks to its new, lighter and stiffer architecture – and a number of new and enhanced complementing technologies – the 2017 LaCrosse offers a driving experience that is as responsive and direct as it is quiet and comfortable. It also offers enhanced capability with Buick’s first twin-clutch all-wheel-drive system.

 

A new five-link rear suspension is the central component of the improved ride and handling characteristics. It helps reduces roll center motion, enables positive lateral control and promotes excellent dynamic stability. In short, it helps keep the tires planted on all surfaces – and contributes to a quieter ride through greater isolation from road noise.

 

At the front, a MacPherson-strut suspension is standard and Buick’s HiPer Strut suspension is used on front-wheel-drive models with 20-inch wheels. It helps reduce torque steer and maintain negativecamber during cornering, improving maximum grip in all road conditions. Italso improves the direct feel of the vehicle, while isolating undesirable feedback.

 

Available, electronically controlled Continuous Damping Control further optimizes ride comfort and handling capabilities over varying road surfaces and profiles. It’s an active suspension system that can adjust damping every two milliseconds, with Touring and Sport damping modes selected by the driver through the Electronic Precision Shift.

 

Also contributing to LaCrosse’s more-direct driving experience is an enhanced, rack-mounted electronic power steering system, which incorporates Lead-Pull Compensation. It automatically adjusts the steering angle to account for factors like crowned roads or high crosswinds.

 

LaCrosse’s new twin-clutch AWD system offers the ultimate in grip in and control, with better performance during acceleration and cornering. It allows torque to be split between the rear wheels for optimal performance and the twin-clutch design uses independent clutch actuation to determine and control the amount of torque sent to each rear wheel.

 

Additional chassis and driver control features on the 2017 LaCrosse include:

• Low-drag four-wheel disc brakes with Duralife rotors, which offer up to double the service life of conventional rotors
• Hill Start Assist with Automatic Vehicle Hold, which can hold the brakes up to five minutes, depending on conditions
• Electronic park brake
• Shear-type suspension mounts that offer greater ride, handling and noise isolation attributes.
  

 

FAST FACT: Sales of the Buick LaCrosse have exceeded 900,000 globally since it went on sale in 2009.

 

Buick is an international modern luxury brand offering vehicles with sculpted designs, luxurious interiors and thoughtful personal technologies, along with responsive-yet-efficient performance. Buick is attracting new customers with its portfolio of award-winning luxury models in North America and China. Learn more about Buick cars and crossovers at www.buick.com, on Twitter @buick, on Instagram, or at www.facebook.com/buick

 

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CONTACT:
Crystal Wilson
Buick Communications
[email protected]
313-618-9996

 

2017 BUICK LACROSSE PRELIMINARY SPECIFICATIONS

 

Overview
Model:
Buick LaCrosse FWD & AWD
Body style / driveline:
front-drive/all-wheel-drive, front-engine, four-door, five- passenger sedan
Construction:
integral
EPA vehicle class:
midsize sedan
Manufacturing location:
Detroit-Hamtramck, Mich.
Key competitors:
Lexus ES 350, Lincoln MKZ

 

Engine

 

3.6L V-6 DI VVT
Displacement (cu in / cc):
223 / 3649
Bore & stroke (in / mm):
3.74 x 3.37 / 95 x 85.8
Block material:
cast aluminum w/ cast-in-place iron bore liners
Cylinder head material:
cast aluminum
Valvetrain:
DOHC, four valves per cylinder, continuously variable valve timing; Active Fuel Management
Fuel delivery:
direct high-pressure fuel injection
Compression ratio:
11.5:1
Horsepower
(hp / kW @ rpm):
305 / 227 @ 6800 (est.)
Torque (lb-ft / Nm @ rpm):
268 / 363 @ 5200 (est.)
Recommended fuel:
regular unleaded
GM-estimated fuel economy (city / hwy):
TBD Transmission
Type:
eight-speed, electronically controlled automatic overdrive with torque converter clutch
Gear ratios (:1):

 

First:
5.25
Second:
3.02
Third:
1.95
Fourth:
1.47
Fifth:
1.22
Sixth:
1.00
Seventh:
0.80
Eighth:
0.57
Reverse:
4.01
Final drive ratio:
3.07

 

Chassis / Suspension
Suspension (front):
FWD/AWD with 18-in. wheels & AWD with 20-in. wheels: MacPherson strut coil-over-spring
FWD with 20-in. wheels: HiPer Strut with Continuous Damping Control
Suspension (rear):
FWD/AWD with 18-in. wheels & AWD with 20-in. wheels: five-link
FWD with 20-in. wheels: five-link with Continuous Damping Control
Steering type:
electric variable-effort power steering with Active Return Assist
Steering ratio:
TBD
Steering wheel turns, lock-to-lock:
TBD
Turning circle (ft / m):
38 / 11.6

 

Brakes
Type:
split, dual-circuit four-wheel-disc with power assist; Duralife brake rotors; brake pre-fill and Electronic Brake Force Distribution
Rotor diameter x thickness
(in / mm):
TBD

 

Wheels / Tires
Wheel size and type:

 

18-in. aluminum
20-in. aluminum
Tires:
P235/50R18 all-season
P245/40R20 all-season

 

Dimensions
Exterior
Wheelbase (in / mm):
114.4 / 2905
Overall length (in / mm):
197.5 / 5017
Overall width (in / mm):
73.2 / 1859
Overall height (in / mm):
57.5 / 1460
Track (in / mm):
front: 62.9 / 1599
rear: 63.1 / 1602
Curb weight (lb / kg):
TBD

 

Interior
Seating capacity:
2 / 3
Headroom (in / mm):
front: 38.4 / 975 (w/o sunroof)
rear: 37.1 / 943 (w/o sunroof)
Legroom (in / mm):
front: 42 / 1067
rear: 39.9 / 1014
Shoulder room (in / mm):
front: 57.7 / 1466
rear: 56.6 / 1437
Hip room (in / mm):
front: 54.7 / 1390
rear: 55 / 1399
Cargo volume (cu. ft. / L):
14.2 / 402

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[Paolino]

I am not 100% sold on the exterior.  The interior and features offered are beautiful.  It'll sell well, I think.  Not a fan of the steering wheel... think it looks cheap.  I would have liked to have seen either a little more chrome or a little wood on it.

[Cmicasa the Great]

Gorgeous. Looks a class above IMO. Interior is to die for. 

 

Edited November 18, 2015 by Cmicasa the Great

[Cmicasa the Great]

[Cmicasa the Great]

and jeeeezus.. with 116" WB? WTF are they gonna do in that car have a bachelor party?  

[cp-the-nerd]

That is a stunner. They've really cleaned up the sheetmetal. This is a proper successor to the clean and stately 2010-13 Lacrosse design, which I loved. The interior design is super classy as well.

 

After dropping 300 lbs and pairing the new V6 with the slick 8-speed auto, this Lacrosse might be a bit of a sleeper. I'd love to see a turbo V6/AWD model to really elevate the Buick brand.

[G. David Felt]

Over all very nice looking car, interior is excellent. The look does have a bit of Jag to it.

[William Maley]

I am not 100% sold on the exterior.  The interior and features offered are beautiful.  It'll sell well, I think.  Not a fan of the steering wheel... think it looks cheap.  I would have liked to have seen either a little more chrome or a little wood on it.

 

I'm with Paolino on the LaCrosse's exterior. Something just seems off and I can't put my finger as to why. I think I need to see this car in person.

[GMTruckGuy74]

Having just purchased a 2013 Buick LaCrosse Premium I sedan for my wife, I must say I am impressed with the new 2017 model.  The interior alone is amazing, and I'm waiting for still shots of the side profile and rear three-quarter angle to come out before really committing to this new design (I saw a video that eased some of my concerns with those two angles).  I think this will leap in MSRP based on the amount of standard features mentioned in the press release, which may put it out of our future price range.  So far I will say I'm liking what I'm seeing and look forward to seeing it in person in the new year (Philly Auto Show,Jan 30-Feb 7).

[Paolino]

I keep seeing a TON of the first generation LaCrosse in the 3/4 views.

[GMTruckGuy74]

 

My wonderful "artistic" skills put to work, I've combined my wife's 2013 alongside the new 2017

[GMTruckGuy74]

Three generations of the Buick LaCrosse:

 

 

I keep seeing a TON of the first generation LaCrosse in the 3/4 views.

 

I see it too, in the six-window roof style, the creases in the hood, and in the sweep spear rear haunch design.

Edited November 18, 2015 by GMTruckGuy74

[Drew Dowdell]

It looks like a much longer car in person even though the overall length hasn't increased much.  It is a very attractive car in person.

[Cmicasa the Great]

It looks gorgeous. The current model is very very nice. I almost bought one myself before I ended up getting my Impala.. but had this 2017 been out.. I think I would have went Buick. Looks like the one thing that held me back from the Lacrosse has been fixed.. the TRUNK. The new one looks to have the Impala's sized trunk.. which I do use often in transporting equipment from certain job sites. 

[ccap41]

Looks pretty awesome. The front looks leaner and sleeker and the back looks a little more muscular with the wheel "hunches". I really like what the did with the front end. Nothing major but it was nipped and tucked very very well. I also think the horizontal bar in the grill looks good.

[regfootball]

 

I am not 100% sold on the exterior.  The interior and features offered are beautiful.  It'll sell well, I think.  Not a fan of the steering wheel... think it looks cheap.  I would have liked to have seen either a little more chrome or a little wood on it.

 

I'm with Paolino on the LaCrosse's exterior. Something just seems off and I can't put my finger as to why. I think I need to see this car in person.

 

 

It's what i feared from seeing the teaser, the teaser looked 'off', this reveal confirms it.  It's a Chinese car.  This misses 'Buick'.  This is a retrograde step from the current LaCrosse.

 

It's off the same way the Envision is off.

 

This has equal flavor Acura ILX kick line and 1st gen Hyundai Ajera kick line in the back.  Greenhouse is generic, not rakish like previous gen.

 

There is no 'sweepspear' present.

 

Front grille looks clumsy, are we back to dowdy LeSabre days?

 

Tailights are nice.

 

What does this bode for the Regal?  At least we know the Regal won't be on a 116" wheelbase.

 

A ford Flex like Buick would be great on this wheelbase.

 

Interior is not bad even with some of the higher end Kia / Hyundai vibe.

 

It's pretty clear to me there is no North American styling flavor assigned to Buick anymore.

[Drew Dowdell]

 

 

I am not 100% sold on the exterior.  The interior and features offered are beautiful.  It'll sell well, I think.  Not a fan of the steering wheel... think it looks cheap.  I would have liked to have seen either a little more chrome or a little wood on it.

 

I'm with Paolino on the LaCrosse's exterior. Something just seems off and I can't put my finger as to why. I think I need to see this car in person.

 

 

It's what i feared from seeing the teaser, the teaser looked 'off', this reveal confirms it.  It's a Chinese car.  This misses 'Buick'.  This is a retrograde step from the current LaCrosse.

 

It's off the same way the Envision is off.

 

This has equal flavor Acura ILX kick line and 1st gen Hyundai Ajera kick line in the back.  Greenhouse is generic, not rakish like previous gen.

 

There is no 'sweepspear' present.

 

Front grille looks clumsy, are we back to dowdy LeSabre days?

 

Tailights are nice.

 

What does this bode for the Regal?  At least we know the Regal won't be on a 116" wheelbase.

 

A ford Flex like Buick would be great on this wheelbase.

 

Interior is not bad even with some of the higher end Kia / Hyundai vibe.

 

It's pretty clear to me there is no North American styling flavor assigned to Buick anymore.

 

 

I see literally zero of what you're seeing, but I've seen the car in person. 

[smk4565]

I like the interior.  The inside has a bit of a 1st generation Hyundai Genesis to it, and that is a good thing.  The interior layout was good in that car.  The new Lacrosse interior is elegant, and clean and straight forward.  The current car was too busy and the layout was weird.  I give them an A on the interior for the $35,000 full size car segment.

 

The outside however reminds me of a Nissan, I just can't get excited by it.  Has some Azera in the rear 3/4 and C-pillar area, not really a fan of the wings off the hood ornament, I'd rather focus on the waterfall grille since that is their signature.

 

Interesting how this car gets a STANDARD 3.6 liter V6, yet the Cadillac ATS, CTS, and CT6 get a standard 4 cylinder.  That makes no sense, if Cadillac is a full level above Buick.   CTS and CT6 should have a standard V6 as well.

[Cmicasa the Great]

I think the point of the 2.0lin both cars is because the competition offers a turbo 4. The Buick Lacrosse main competition is the ES350, which is standard and singular 3.5 v6. My bet is in the Chinese market the LaX will have a 2.0l or smaller choice as well for to taxation. I will also point out that in NA. the Buick's 3.6l is rated almost with the 2.0lturbo when one considers the lighter weight and torque in the CT6 configuration.

BTW. I wouldn't bet on the CT6 being 4cylinder heavy in sales. The 3.6l will be volume if for no other reason than the slight upcharge in price

Edited November 19, 2015 by Cmicasa the Great

[balthazar]

Mixed bag :

• I generally don't care for the full-width 'bar' under the chin (dislike it on the ATS), but the way Buick swept it into the corners and (visually) into the lower body lines is very well done.

• Beyond tired of the 4-spoke wheel.

• Overall interior looks excellent, design-wise.

• Tails are expressive without looking like they tried to make that way; they're organic.

• Disappointed to see the SweepSpear dropped.

• Can't tell for sure, but the Ventiports are looking too de-emphasized IMO. I liked them on the hood; I'd like to see them stamped in to the sheet metal withOUT chrome trim for a change.

• Are those 20" rims?

 

•The biggest concern is the Chinese-pics (seen elsewhere) where the LaCrosse looks like it has an enormous frontal overhang. I was looking forward to a profile shot here...

 

Overall interior/exterior grade : 88 

[smk4565]

I think the point of the 2.0lin both cars is because the competition offers a turbo 4. The Buick Lacrosse main competition is the ES350, which is standard and singular 3.5 v6. My bet is in the Chinese market the LaX will have a 2.0l or smaller choice as well for to taxation. I will also point out that in NA. the Buick's 3.6l is rated almost with the 2.0lturbo when one considers the lighter weight and torque in the CT6 configuration.

BTW. I wouldn't bet on the CT6 being 4cylinder heavy in sales. The 3.6l will be volume if for no other reason than the slight upcharge in price

The E-class has a standard V6 and is the segment gold standard, the Lexus GS is a standard V6, Infiniti Q70 has a standard V6.  Anything the CT6 is supposed to compete with has 6 or 8 cylinders.  Cadillac is also the challenger, not the leader, they should use the 3.6 V6 as their base model, a 3.0 TT as a mid-level engine.

[Cmicasa the Great]

I think the point of the 2.0lin both cars is because the competition offers a turbo 4. The Buick Lacrosse main competition is the ES350, which is standard and singular 3.5 v6. My bet is in the Chinese market the LaX will have a 2.0l or smaller choice as well for to taxation. I will also point out that in NA. the Buick's 3.6l is rated almost with the 2.0lturbo when one considers the lighter weight and torque in the CT6 configuration.

BTW. I wouldn't bet on the CT6 being 4cylinder heavy in sales. The 3.6l will be volume if for no other reason than the slight upcharge in price

The E-class has a standard V6 and is the segment gold standard, the Lexus GS is a standard V6, Infiniti Q70 has a standard V6.  Anything the CT6 is supposed to compete with has 6 or 8 cylinders.  Cadillac is also the challenger, not the leader, they should use the 3.6 V6 as their base model, a 3.0 TT as a mid-level engine.

That Mercedes is a fat fat fat pig and its only the gold standard to people who don't kno any better

[Suaviloquent]

Mixed on this. The interior is a winner. The exterior, I'd have to see it in person.

[William Maley]

 

I think the point of the 2.0lin both cars is because the competition offers a turbo 4. The Buick Lacrosse main competition is the ES350, which is standard and singular 3.5 v6. My bet is in the Chinese market the LaX will have a 2.0l or smaller choice as well for to taxation. I will also point out that in NA. the Buick's 3.6l is rated almost with the 2.0lturbo when one considers the lighter weight and torque in the CT6 configuration.

BTW. I wouldn't bet on the CT6 being 4cylinder heavy in sales. The 3.6l will be volume if for no other reason than the slight upcharge in price

The E-class has a standard V6 and is the segment gold standard, the Lexus GS is a standard V6, Infiniti Q70 has a standard V6.  Anything the CT6 is supposed to compete with has 6 or 8 cylinders.  Cadillac is also the challenger, not the leader, they should use the 3.6 V6 as their base model, a 3.0 TT as a mid-level engine.

Meanwhile the Audi A6 and BMW 5-Series both have turbo-fours as their base engines.

[NINETY EIGHT REGENCY]

I am glad I am not the only one who sees the first generation LaCrosse in the window design in the theme overall look of this car.  It looks like someone took the first generation LaCrosse and redesigned the car.  I think the Chinese designers did the second generation because it was a concept car and the American GM designers did the the third generation.  I guess we will have to see it in person.  I think I see  1st generation plus the 2nd generation. which equals the  3rd generation.

[NINETY EIGHT REGENCY]

I am glad I am not the only one who sees the first generation LaCrosse in the window design in the theme overall look of this car.  It looks like someone took the first generation LaCrosse and redesigned the car.  I think the Chinese designers did the second generation because it was a concept car and the American GM designers did the the third generation.  I guess we will have to see it in person.  I think I see  1st generation plus the 2nd generation. which equals the  3rd generation.

I also wanted to say also the see two cars in the tail lamps.  I see the first generation  La Crosse tail lamps mixed with the Regal/Insignia tail lamps.

 

That wheelbase is as long as the B Bodies were in the 1980's.  That car is still less than 200 inches long.  It is big as the downsized H and C bodies were in the 1980's.

[Cory Wolfe]

So, this is like the complete opposite of the MKZ. The exterior and interior are very well done, if not a bit too understated. The powertrain is bit disappointing, though. I would have liked to see something more than just the run-of-mill V6. I suppose Buick still has to cater to its long-living demographic regardless of what the advertising will tell you. 

[El Kabong]

I think the car looks nice overall, if a bit conservative. I'm amazed that they were able to drop 300 pounds from the platform-clearly the Camaro is not a one-shot deal in that regard.

The only real jarring thing I can see on the car is the long nose does its best to suggest RWD, but the distance from the front door cuts to the wheelwells says otherwise. Beyond that, a pretty solid effort IMO.

Edited November 19, 2015 by El Kabong

[smk4565]

So, this is like the complete opposite of the MKZ. The exterior and interior are very well done, if not a bit too understated. The powertrain is bit disappointing, though. I would have liked to see something more than just the run-of-mill V6. I suppose Buick still has to cater to its long-living demographic regardless of what the advertising will tell you. 

I think the Buick demographic is why there is a V6 instead of a turbo 4.  The Buick customer is going to see a 4-cylinder as an entry level engine or not enough for a full size car, and the V6 would probably be smoother in that you aren't relying on boost to make power.

 

If you want more than a run of the mill V6, that is what Cadillac is for.  Unfortunately, many Cadillacs have turbo 4's and run of the mill V6s.

[regfootball]

I like the interior. The inside has a bit of a 1st generation Hyundai Genesis to it, and that is a good thing. The interior layout was good in that car. The new Lacrosse interior is elegant, and clean and straight forward. The current car was too busy and the layout was weird. I give them an A on the interior for the $35,000 full size car segment.

The outside however reminds me of a Nissan, I just can't get excited by it. Has some Azera in the rear 3/4 and C-pillar area, not really a fan of the wings off the hood ornament, I'd rather focus on the waterfall grille since that is their signature.

Interesting how this car gets a STANDARD 3.6 liter V6, yet the Cadillac ATS, CTS, and CT6 get a standard 4 cylinder. That makes no sense, if Cadillac is a full level above Buick. CTS and CT6 should have a standard V6 as well.

The current gen Lacrosse was instantly recognizable with buick genes on first sight. This new one like the envision and the spy shots of verano looks neutered for the world markets. Most casual buyers won't have an idea what brand this car is until they see the letters BUICK on it. Maybe this is what Buick wants now, to blend in. Sort of like Ford and their Hyundai grilles. The grille on this thing has the wings so they just can swap out the Opel Logo and don't have to have the separate but more distinctive waterfall grille. They really want to take some of the North American DNA out of Buick styling it appears.

Picture on Buicks website looks like some current gen taurus influence on the front end too.

[cp-the-nerd]

I think the car looks nice overall, if a bit conservative. I'm amazed that they were able to drop 300 pounds from the platform-clearly the Camaro is not a one-shot deal in that regard.

The only real jarring thing I can see on the car is the long nose does its best to suggest RWD, but the distance from the front door cuts to the wheelwells says otherwise. Beyond that, a pretty solid effort IMO.

 

Did you see the curb weights of the new Malibu at Motor Trend's car of the year testing? Base model was 3125 lbs and the loaded Premier 2.0T was just 3300!! Insane how much weight they've dropped, yet the Malibu was still one of the quietest rides in the competition.

[cp-the-nerd]

So, this is like the complete opposite of the MKZ. The exterior and interior are very well done, if not a bit too understated. The powertrain is bit disappointing, though. I would have liked to see something more than just the run-of-mill V6. I suppose Buick still has to cater to its long-living demographic regardless of what the advertising will tell you. 

 

The new powertrain is hardly run of the mill. The V6 has start/stop and cylinder deactivation mated to a brand new 8-speed. With a huge drop in curb weight, this big sedan is likely to be QUICK (like running mid-14s) and still achieve over 20/30 mpg.

[Drew Dowdell]

I think the car looks nice overall, if a bit conservative. I'm amazed that they were able to drop 300 pounds from the platform-clearly the Camaro is not a one-shot deal in that regard.

The only real jarring thing I can see on the car is the long nose does its best to suggest RWD, but the distance from the front door cuts to the wheelwells says otherwise. Beyond that, a pretty solid effort IMO.

 

All of GM's car platforms are going through substantial weight reductions

[Guest Wings4Life(BANNED)]

Not liking that interior much either.  Too much of anything is bad, including wood.

Overall, nice improvement.  Nothing ground breaking.

[ocnblu]

A beautiful update, to be sure.  It is a shame to me that Hyundai stole some Buick DNA with their bigger cars (Azera?  Genesis?) a while back... that now it could be perceived that Buick is actually the thief.  Sad state for a proud American brand.

 

Love this new LaCrosse though.  Want to see it in person.

[Robert Hall]

The greenhouse looks a lot like the Equus, esp. the sweep of the quarter window.   I like the tailights, something different.   Looks like a nice cruiser.

[Cory Wolfe]

 

So, this is like the complete opposite of the MKZ. The exterior and interior are very well done, if not a bit too understated. The powertrain is bit disappointing, though. I would have liked to see something more than just the run-of-mill V6. I suppose Buick still has to cater to its long-living demographic regardless of what the advertising will tell you. 

 

The new powertrain is hardly run of the mill. The V6 has start/stop and cylinder deactivation mated to a brand new 8-speed. With a huge drop in curb weight, this big sedan is likely to be QUICK (like running mid-14s) and still achieve over 20/30 mpg.

 

 

I'm sorry... is that really considered quick these days? My 11 year old Avalon would run mid-14s and hit 60 in about 6 seconds (and would do over 31 mpg highway), which is likely where the new LaCrosse will be at. I wasn't wowed by that car's power, so I'm not going to be wowed by this either. The current LaCrosse is a 2-ton porker, so losing 300lbs merely brings it back down to average weight and performance for the class. Again, there's nothing exciting here. It's a run-of-the-mill powertrain in every single way for the year 2017. Kthxbai. 

 

What I would really like to see is the MKZ's powertrain with the LaCrosse's body. Perfect boulevard cruiser.

Edited November 20, 2015 by blackviper8891

[Suaviloquent]

I assure you guys, like Drew, that pictures don't do this car justice. You have to see it in person, and the silhouette looks much leaner, and the car exudes a very relaxed styling. It's not trying to be something it isn't. Though the steering wheel, I feel is the only thing I'd get rid of right away.  

[Cmicasa the Great]

 

I think the car looks nice overall, if a bit conservative. I'm amazed that they were able to drop 300 pounds from the platform-clearly the Camaro is not a one-shot deal in that regard.

The only real jarring thing I can see on the car is the long nose does its best to suggest RWD, but the distance from the front door cuts to the wheelwells says otherwise. Beyond that, a pretty solid effort IMO.

 

Did you see the curb weights of the new Malibu at Motor Trend's car of the year testing? Base model was 3125 lbs and the loaded Premier 2.0T was just 3300!! Insane how much weight they've dropped, yet the Malibu was still one of the quietest rides in the competition.

 

 

 

That's a nice mention... the quote was:

 

Inside, the Premier and Hybrid models felt downright luxurious with rich leather, ventilated seats, and quiet rides. “The best of the Malibu bunch,” Jason Cammisa said of the hybrid. “It rides great and is way quieter than the Audi A6 on the road.”

 

 

Says a lot of about what this car's mission is at this point.. not to mention what to expect from the upcoming LaX and Regal. The Malibu is proof positive that the Impala we all kno and love is not long for this world in its current form. They just seem to bump up against each other too much in the line-up. I'm still putting up the idea that the next gen will be on a de-contented Omega. 

[Cmicasa the Great]

 

 

So, this is like the complete opposite of the MKZ. The exterior and interior are very well done, if not a bit too understated. The powertrain is bit disappointing, though. I would have liked to see something more than just the run-of-mill V6. I suppose Buick still has to cater to its long-living demographic regardless of what the advertising will tell you. 

 

The new powertrain is hardly run of the mill. The V6 has start/stop and cylinder deactivation mated to a brand new 8-speed. With a huge drop in curb weight, this big sedan is likely to be QUICK (like running mid-14s) and still achieve over 20/30 mpg.

 

 

I'm sorry... is that really considered quick these days? My 11 year old Avalon would run mid-14s and hit 60 in about 6 seconds (and would do over 31 mpg highway), which is likely where the new LaCrosse will be at. I wasn't wowed by that car's power, so I'm not going to be wowed by this either. The current LaCrosse is a 2-ton porker, so losing 300lbs merely brings it back down to average weight and performance for the class. Again, there's nothing exciting here. It's a run-of-the-mill powertrain in every single way for the year 2017. Kthxbai. 

 

What I would really like to see is the MKZ's powertrain with the LaCrosse's body. Perfect boulevard cruiser.

 

 

 

 

First I think U are completely out in left field of what a "boulevard cruiser" is... emphasis on the CRUISER part. Second the idea that your 2010HP 2004 Avalon is going to be faster than the new LaX, while getting superior fuel economy is ridiculous. The 2004 Camry SE barely pulled it off with a 14.6 seconds @ 97.0 mph, and was lighter. This Lacrosse, should certainly improve upon the numbers laid by my heavier Impala.. Fuel economy is certainly going into the 30s.. 

 

I love the idea of Run of the Mill when is incorporating start/stop, cylinder deactivation and an 8-speed tranny.. all wrapped in a sweet honey bun of an exterior. U want 12 second 1/4 miles.. go buy a Cadillac.. or even a Chevy. Buick is about smooth luxury. Everyone doesn't need their car to be a performance car.. and that's coming from some one who predominately has REAL performance cars.

Edited November 20, 2015 by Cmicasa the Great

[smk4565]

Start/Stop and 8-speeds have been around for a few years. I saw a Ford engineer say that 90% of 2017 Escapes will be sold with start/stop, this is pretty standard stuff now, I think in 2020 it will be as common as ABS.

The Lacrosse will be fast enough for what it is. 305 HP is a lot for front wheel drive. And it is more important that a car like the Lacrosse has enough power to move around with the engine at 3,000 rpm or less. The typical Lacrosse buyer doesn't want to be revving to 6,000 rpm and bearing engine noise all the time.

[Cmicasa the Great]

Start/Stop and 8-speeds have been around for a few years. I saw a Ford engineer say that 90% of 2017 Escapes will be sold with start/stop, this is pretty standard stuff now, I think in 2020 it will be as common as ABS.

The Lacrosse will be fast enough for what it is. 305 HP is a lot for front wheel drive. And it is more important that a car like the Lacrosse has enough power to move around with the engine at 3,000 rpm or less. The typical Lacrosse buyer doesn't want to be revving to 6,000 rpm and bearing engine noise all the time.

 

 

I hate agreeing with U. It literally makes me sick.. but yes.. I concur. The truth of the matter is that the MKZ's use of a TTV6 setup only shows that Ford really wants a RWD set-up.. but can't seem to get past the Mustang and Trucks to do it. We are talking about minimum 4200lbs in a mid-sizer

[cp-the-nerd]

Start/Stop and 8-speeds have been around for a few years. I saw a Ford engineer say that 90% of 2017 Escapes will be sold with start/stop, this is pretty standard stuff now, I think in 2020 it will be as common as ABS.

The Lacrosse will be fast enough for what it is. 305 HP is a lot for front wheel drive. And it is more important that a car like the Lacrosse has enough power to move around with the engine at 3,000 rpm or less. The typical Lacrosse buyer doesn't want to be revving to 6,000 rpm and bearing engine noise all the time.

 

How many vehicles have start/stop, cylinder deactivation, AND 8-speeds or more? I'll wait, it's a super short list.

[cp-the-nerd]

 

 

So, this is like the complete opposite of the MKZ. The exterior and interior are very well done, if not a bit too understated. The powertrain is bit disappointing, though. I would have liked to see something more than just the run-of-mill V6. I suppose Buick still has to cater to its long-living demographic regardless of what the advertising will tell you. 

 

The new powertrain is hardly run of the mill. The V6 has start/stop and cylinder deactivation mated to a brand new 8-speed. With a huge drop in curb weight, this big sedan is likely to be QUICK (like running mid-14s) and still achieve over 20/30 mpg.

 

 

I'm sorry... is that really considered quick these days? My 11 year old Avalon would run mid-14s and hit 60 in about 6 seconds (and would do over 31 mpg highway), which is likely where the new LaCrosse will be at. I wasn't wowed by that car's power, so I'm not going to be wowed by this either. The current LaCrosse is a 2-ton porker, so losing 300lbs merely brings it back down to average weight and performance for the class. Again, there's nothing exciting here. It's a run-of-the-mill powertrain in every single way for the year 2017. Kthxbai. 

 

What I would really like to see is the MKZ's powertrain with the LaCrosse's body. Perfect boulevard cruiser.

 

 

This post is a f@#king joke. A 2004 Avalon had a 3.0L V6 with just over 200 horsepower and a 4-speed auto. It's a tin can compared to modern cars, and I don't believe for a damn second it could run anywhere near 14s.

[Cory Wolfe]

 

 

 

So, this is like the complete opposite of the MKZ. The exterior and interior are very well done, if not a bit too understated. The powertrain is bit disappointing, though. I would have liked to see something more than just the run-of-mill V6. I suppose Buick still has to cater to its long-living demographic regardless of what the advertising will tell you. 

 

The new powertrain is hardly run of the mill. The V6 has start/stop and cylinder deactivation mated to a brand new 8-speed. With a huge drop in curb weight, this big sedan is likely to be QUICK (like running mid-14s) and still achieve over 20/30 mpg.

 

 

I'm sorry... is that really considered quick these days? My 11 year old Avalon would run mid-14s and hit 60 in about 6 seconds (and would do over 31 mpg highway), which is likely where the new LaCrosse will be at. I wasn't wowed by that car's power, so I'm not going to be wowed by this either. The current LaCrosse is a 2-ton porker, so losing 300lbs merely brings it back down to average weight and performance for the class. Again, there's nothing exciting here. It's a run-of-the-mill powertrain in every single way for the year 2017. Kthxbai. 

 

What I would really like to see is the MKZ's powertrain with the LaCrosse's body. Perfect boulevard cruiser.

 

 

 

 

Second the idea that your 2010HP 2004 Avalon is going to be faster than the new LaX, while getting superior fuel economy is ridiculous. The 2004 Camry SE barely pulled it off with a 14.6 seconds @ 97.0 mph, and was lighter. This Lacrosse, should certainly improve upon the numbers laid by my heavier Impala.. Fuel economy is certainly going into the 30s.. 

 

I love the idea of Run of the Mill when is incorporating start/stop, cylinder deactivation and an 8-speed tranny.. all wrapped in a sweet honey bun of an exterior. U want 12 second 1/4 miles.. go buy a Cadillac.. or even a Chevy. Buick is about smooth luxury. Everyone doesn't need their car to be a performance car.. and that's coming from some one who predominately has REAL performance cars.

 

 

Excuse my typo, I meant 10 year old.

 

My 2005 Avalon weighed a hair over 3600lbs, was rated at 280 hp, quoted at 14.6 seconds @ 99 mph in the quarter and 6.0 seconds to 60, and was rated at 22/31 mpg.

 

I'm not saying the LaCrosse won't be able to match it, I simply don't see it exceeding it by much, if at all. Also, for what it's worth, 10 years on, and the Avalon hasn't improved upon itself either. It is also just run-of-the-mill these days. It's not necessarily a bad thing for Buick to do the same, but there's nothing exciting here besides an 8 speed auto that others have had for years. With Buick itself stating they are perfectly happy with the LaCrosse being their flagship sedan, I would've expected more... a risk or two. Instead, it's been played safe, likely to keep its current cult of owners happy. Meanwhile, Lincoln, which is basically just a Buick competitor these days, is taking those risks... It's just too bad they don't have a better stylist. 

Edited November 20, 2015 by blackviper8891

[Cory Wolfe]

 

 

 

So, this is like the complete opposite of the MKZ. The exterior and interior are very well done, if not a bit too understated. The powertrain is bit disappointing, though. I would have liked to see something more than just the run-of-mill V6. I suppose Buick still has to cater to its long-living demographic regardless of what the advertising will tell you. 

 

The new powertrain is hardly run of the mill. The V6 has start/stop and cylinder deactivation mated to a brand new 8-speed. With a huge drop in curb weight, this big sedan is likely to be QUICK (like running mid-14s) and still achieve over 20/30 mpg.

 

 

I'm sorry... is that really considered quick these days? My 11 year old Avalon would run mid-14s and hit 60 in about 6 seconds (and would do over 31 mpg highway), which is likely where the new LaCrosse will be at. I wasn't wowed by that car's power, so I'm not going to be wowed by this either. The current LaCrosse is a 2-ton porker, so losing 300lbs merely brings it back down to average weight and performance for the class. Again, there's nothing exciting here. It's a run-of-the-mill powertrain in every single way for the year 2017. Kthxbai. 

 

What I would really like to see is the MKZ's powertrain with the LaCrosse's body. Perfect boulevard cruiser.

 

 

This post is a f@#king joke. A 2004 Avalon had a 3.0L V6 with just over 200 horsepower and a 4-speed auto. It's a tin can compared to modern cars, and I don't believe for a damn second it could run anywhere near 14s.

 

 

This is the problem with new members here. No sense of community history. Argumentative and full of attitude. Can't use facts accordingly. 

 

I made a typo, for which I am terribly sorry. Really, gravely sorry. I should be beaten and hung from the cross for it. Truly. If, however, you would take the time to either A: Read through my signature to see mine was a 2005, or B: Look through my history to see that indeed, it was a 2005, these filth ridden posts wouldn't have to exist. You have your opinion, I have mine, which I've completely backed up with facts to certify any claims I've made. Again, Kthxbai. 

Edited November 20, 2015 by blackviper8891

[cp-the-nerd]

 

 

 

 

So, this is like the complete opposite of the MKZ. The exterior and interior are very well done, if not a bit too understated. The powertrain is bit disappointing, though. I would have liked to see something more than just the run-of-mill V6. I suppose Buick still has to cater to its long-living demographic regardless of what the advertising will tell you. 

 

The new powertrain is hardly run of the mill. The V6 has start/stop and cylinder deactivation mated to a brand new 8-speed. With a huge drop in curb weight, this big sedan is likely to be QUICK (like running mid-14s) and still achieve over 20/30 mpg.

 

 

I'm sorry... is that really considered quick these days? My 11 year old Avalon would run mid-14s and hit 60 in about 6 seconds (and would do over 31 mpg highway), which is likely where the new LaCrosse will be at. I wasn't wowed by that car's power, so I'm not going to be wowed by this either. The current LaCrosse is a 2-ton porker, so losing 300lbs merely brings it back down to average weight and performance for the class. Again, there's nothing exciting here. It's a run-of-the-mill powertrain in every single way for the year 2017. Kthxbai. 

 

What I would really like to see is the MKZ's powertrain with the LaCrosse's body. Perfect boulevard cruiser.

 

 

 

 

Second the idea that your 2010HP 2004 Avalon is going to be faster than the new LaX, while getting superior fuel economy is ridiculous. The 2004 Camry SE barely pulled it off with a 14.6 seconds @ 97.0 mph, and was lighter. This Lacrosse, should certainly improve upon the numbers laid by my heavier Impala.. Fuel economy is certainly going into the 30s.. 

 

I love the idea of Run of the Mill when is incorporating start/stop, cylinder deactivation and an 8-speed tranny.. all wrapped in a sweet honey bun of an exterior. U want 12 second 1/4 miles.. go buy a Cadillac.. or even a Chevy. Buick is about smooth luxury. Everyone doesn't need their car to be a performance car.. and that's coming from some one who predominately has REAL performance cars.

 

 

Excuse my typo, I meant 10 year old.

 

My 2005 Avalon weighed a hair over 3600lbs, was rated at 280 hp, quoted at 14.6 seconds @ 99 mph in the quarter and 6.0 seconds to 60, and was rated at 22/31 mpg.

 

I'm not saying the LaCrosse won't be able to match it, I simply don't see it exceeding it buy much, if at all. Also, for what it's worth, 10 years on, and the Avalon hasn't improved upon itself either. It is also just run-of-the-mill these days. It's not necessarily a bad thing for Buick to do the same, but there's nothing exciting here besides an 8 speed auto that others have had for years. With Buick itself stating they are perfectly happy with the LaCrosse being their flagship sedan, I would've expected more... a risk or two. Instead, it's been played safe, likely to keep its current cult of owners happy. Meanwhile, Lincoln, which is basically just a Buick competitor these days, is taking those risks... It's just too bad they don't have a better stylist. 

 

 

22/31 mpg was the OLD rating system. The 2005 Avalon is rated 19/28 mpg by the new system, a whopping ONE mpg better in the city compared to the much heavier outgoing 18/28 mpg Lacrosse. Meanwhile the actual quality and luxury differences between an old Avalon and the epsilon II Lacrosse is night and day. Total apples and oranges comparison.

 

Your post-count elitism is adorable and your facts are dubious.

[Frisky Dingo]

Looks good, but it readily identify as a Buick in my eyes. Interior is nice, but not earth-shattering. I'd like to see this car get an option like the 400hp AWD Lincoln that was also shown. 

[Cory Wolfe]

22/31 mpg was the OLD rating system. The 2005 Avalon is rated 19/28 mpg by the new system, a whopping ONE mpg better in the city compared to the much heavier outgoing 18/28 mpg Lacrosse. Meanwhile the actual quality and luxury differences between an old Avalon and the epsilon II Lacrosse is night and day. Total apples and oranges comparison.

Your post-count elitism is adorable and your facts are dubious.

If you will remember, they never retested those older vehicles; the EPA simply estimated a loss. My personal 60k worth of test data perfectly matched up to the old rating. Same could be said of my old Cobalt which also had it's loss estimated.

If you wish to match up a current Avalon to a current LaCrosse, be my guest. You'll find that Toyota hasn't advanced since 2005 either. And in terms of luxury and the current LaCrosse, its not night and day. A little quieter, more convincing fake wood, and a more swanky design. Not exactly apples and oranges there. Though, yes, the new one appears to have an interior that's more on par with a Cadillac than a fancy Toyota.

Also, it's not elitism, merely the fact that the influx of new members have, on the whole, been extremely argumentative, quick to throw attacks, and generally dismissive towards reason. There are standouts among all of you who certainly add a lot of positive material to this forum. I'm not even saying that you aren't one of the standouts, but calling my facts a "f@#cking joke" isn't doing yourself any favors here. When I first joined way back in 2003, anyone who's been here that long can tell you I was the same way-argumentative and likely immature. I received my fair share of castrating reality checks by many of the more senior members.

Edited November 20, 2015 by blackviper8891

[cp-the-nerd]

 

22/31 mpg was the OLD rating system. The 2005 Avalon is rated 19/28 mpg by the new system, a whopping ONE mpg better in the city compared to the much heavier outgoing 18/28 mpg Lacrosse. Meanwhile the actual quality and luxury differences between an old Avalon and the epsilon II Lacrosse is night and day. Total apples and oranges comparison.

Your post-count elitism is adorable and your facts are dubious.

If you will remember, they never retested those older vehicles; the EPA simply estimated a loss. My personal 60k worth of test data perfectly matched up to the old rating. Same could be said of my old Cobalt which also had it's loss estimated.

If you wish to match up a current Avalon to a current LaCrosse, be my guest. You'll find that Toyota hasn't advanced since 2005 either. And in terms of luxury and the current LaCrosse, its not night and day. A little quieter, more convincing fake wood, and a more swanky design. Not exactly apples and oranges there. Though, yes, the new one appears to have an interior that's more on par with a Cadillac than a fancy Toyota.

Also, it's not elitism, merely the fact that the influx of new members have, on the whole, been extremely argumentative, quick to throw attacks, and generally dismissive towards reason. There are standouts among all of you who certainly add a lot of positive material to this forum. I'm not even saying that you aren't one of the standouts, but calling my facts a "f@#cking joke" isn't doing yourself any favors here. When I first joined way back in 2003, anyone who's been here that long can tell you I was the same way-argumentative and likely immature. I received my fair share of castrating reality checks by many of the more senior members.

 

 

Bud, YOU started the argumentative tone with that condescending post about your Avalon capped off with "kthxbai" like a petulant 14 year old girl. Then you got embarrassed and defensive about getting your dick caught in your zipper in the first Avalon post and started trying to throw it back on me instead of taking it on the chin. Do you not see the irony of telling someone how negative and argumentative they are WHILE contributing to it? Or calling my facts into question while presenting skewed information of your own?

 

Then you deny post-count elitism and rant about how you've been here since 2003 and you USED to be immature and grew up over time, but you seem to overlook that you have no idea my age, background, or experience outside of this forum. That's exactly the fallacy of post-count elitism.

 

If you're going to throw out personal anecdotes like "I got the old EPA rating in my Avalon" instead of using the controlled constant of the new rating system, then I'll happily point out that I have shots on my phone of averaging 32 mpg highway in my port-injected 3.6L Malibu--a car rated 17/26--and owners in a number of GM 3.6L DI sedans report 30+ mpg highway (including Casa, I believe).

 

The Buick competes with the ES, by the way, not the Avalon, and the journalistic comparisons didn't go well for the Lexus.

Edited November 20, 2015 by cp-the-nerd