2007 Pontiac G5 (picture)

[BlkHhr104]

Its the US version and looks exactly like, well,..... a Cobalt

here

[mjdecker]

Are you supprised at all? I'm not.. While I do think the Cobalt isn't a bad looking car, for Chevy, it's no Pontiac

[C.H.U.D.]

Gah! The cheesy grille remains!

[Mach5GTP]

I want to see the interior. As I've said before, badge engineering sucks, but it's not an ugly car to start with and if it helps Pontiac downt he road, then I will try to like it. I do have a soft spot on my heart for 5-speed fours...

[Croc]

They have said the interior gets upgrades...though I just wanna see if the Cobalt sedan gets more Chevy taillights now...

[Cory Wolfe]

Well... um... yeah...

[Guest YellowJacket894]

Boo! You suck! Get of the goddam stage, you piece of psuedo-Pontiac wannabe crap.

[Bimmer325]

And Pontiac drifts even further toward irrelevancy.

What a joke. :rotflmao:

[frogger]

Almost as exciting as the SV6 and Torrent.

[BlkHhr104]

At least the Torrent looks a little bit different.

[pow]

Oooh, PONTIACTION!

Does it have WIDETRACK?

[ToniCipriani]

He's wrong about the taillights, though. The G5 coupe and sedan don't share tails.

The Sedan has an integrated round back-up lamp, and the coupe a separate one in the bumper. The tail also has a red ring light pattern instead of the solid circle on the Cobalt.

[bowtie_dude]

Ugh! Stupid STUPID GM!

Goodbye GM, HELLO Mazda3!

[ocnblu]

Check it out in person before making a judgment, bowtie dude. Sometimes the simplest of modifications can lend a whole new character to a car. I hope.

[BlkHhr104]

Hey that must be the new red color availble on the Cobalt

[ToniCipriani]

That looks like the Crimson Red already available on the G6...

Although it lists as premium paint.

Edited May 7, 2006 by ToniCipriani

[Imaj]

Man, I wished they made a bit more different! Maybe they should of gave it the Turbo Ecotec from the Solstice GXP, smoked headlights and taillights, anything!

[OCcarnut]

can you say, G-bolt.

[The O.C.]

And Pontiac drifts even further toward irrelevancy. 

What a joke.  :rotflmao:

When people on here (such as myself) suggest that GM still has too many divisions and that some of them (such as perhaps Pontiac) need to disappear.....it's because of product decisions such as THIS.....

The ONLY reason this car exists is to placate Pontiac dealers.

Any REAL demand for a Cobalt-type vehicle from General Motors could EASILY be filled by the thousands of Chevrolet dealerships in existence (as well as the smaller number of ION-selling Saturn dealerships.)

[The O.C.]

Oooh, PONTIACTION!

Does it have WIDETRACK?

"We Build Excitement..!"

[Sixty8panther]

The J2000/Sunbird/Sunfire & Cavalier were never this lame

in terms of rebadge jobs. This is pathetic!

[Croc]

The J2000/Sunbird/Sunfire & Cavalier were never this lame

in terms of rebadge jobs. This is pathetic!

Yes they were. They weren't really differentiated until the 90s designs.

At least these two cars are contenders in the marketplace...

[Paolino]

"We Build Excitement..!"

Well, hmmm... is that still their slogan or did they ever change it?

They should try, "The brand with the Solstice." I'd say that's pretty much all they have going for them--maybe the GTO, but it was never as well-received as the Solstice.

[Guest YellowJacket894]

Pontiac: We Kill Excitement

Pontiac: We Make Excrement (Except for the Solstice, of course.)

Either one of those should be the real slogan right now.

[Mr.Krinkle]

seems to be a lot of resentment for this here little car.

i dont get what all this hate for it is about.

maybe someone can try to explain it without going "ewww"

ive seen a few g6's on the road and they always seem get my attention. they stand out more so than any accord or toyota ive ever seen.

this looks like a scaled down version of that. so whats the big deal?

mazda has a 3 and a 6. the corolla yaris camry and es are all closely related, too.

the cobalt sells rather well so why the hell not. for all the people who like the cobalt but dont want a chevy...hey, here ya go.

its not a firebird to a camaro but then these are completely different times and different cars, maybe even for a different crowd.

its not a panacea for pontiac but it cant hurt either. i know most of you people here arent car snobs so thats the big deal?

and the front end treatment, the kidney grill is found quite a bit in the car world.

jags-bmw-mitsubishi-and plenty others use it. the new pontiacs in my opinion nail it even more so than bmw. i understand if you dont like it so be it, but its not really cheap or white trashy as ive heard before. just throwing it out there.

maybe they shouldve slapped some tail fins and a really neat looking racing stripe to set it off. then again we can just wait and see how it sells. if it steals cobalt sales or can stand by itself. im just as curious as you may be.

anyone care to predict what they think a successful amount of sales would be for this car?

[balthazar]

Almost as exciting as the SV6 and Torrent.

And since someone already mentioned mazda, also about as exciting as the mpv and b2000.

When people on here (such as myself) suggest that GM still has too many divisions and that some of them (such as perhaps Pontiac) need to disappear.....it's because of product decisions such as THIS..... The ONLY reason this car exists is to placate Pontiac dealers.

Then, as you allude to, the problem is not the Pontiac Division but Pontiac dealers. Why not deal with the cause instead of the symptoms?

[Croc]

Then, as you allude to, the problem is not the Pontiac Division but Pontiac dealers. Why not deal with the cause instead of the symptoms?

Which is why B-P-GMC is being consolidated into one dealer network.

[Satty]

Pontiac: We have TWO (2) cars that GMS pricing doesn't apply to! Unless it applies to the GTo, then we only have ONE!

[Sixty8panther]

Yes they were.  They weren't really differentiated until the 90s designs.

At least these two cars are contenders in the marketplace...

Actually I thought the J-cars started off differentiated well

& got more and more alike as the years went on. Then w/

the '95 Redesign they looked completly different.

Edited May 8, 2006 by Sixty8panther

[daves87rs]

I hate that site...

Rumor is that the return to the 80s cavalier thing is only going to last a year or so.

When the Balt' gets its update in 08, and of the G5 does stick around, it will look much different than it does now.

I wasn't holding my breath, and I'm not surprised.

Its not bad, but not great either.

Actually, I have seen it in person, and it really isn't too bad. It has a clean look to it.

And someone mentioned a sedan-none for the US.

I think it will sell just fine. Considering gas prices, this is not a bad idea-just not a great design.

At this point GM needs all the extra sales it can get.

Pontaic better get something in the stable quick-or this division( not Buick) will see

a Olds ending...

[Intrepidation]

That's a B-17 wing in the background

[daves87rs]

Actually I thought the J-cars started off differentiated well

& got more and more alike as the years went on. Then w/

the '95 Redesign they looked completly different.

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Agreed.

[ToniCipriani]

At this point GM needs all the extra sales it can get.

Problem is, a lot of times it isn't really extra sales. Sales just get shifted from the Cavalier to a Sunfire, in this case from Cobalt to Pursuit... I mean G5.

Just pulling money out of the left pocket then put it in the right.

[daves87rs]

Problem is, a lot of times it isn't really extra sales. Sales just get shifted from the Cavalier to a Sunfire, in this case from Cobalt to Pursuit... I mean G5.

Just pulling money out of the left pocket then put it in the right.

Normally, I would agree with you, my friend, but I can't in this case.

As gas prices rise, there is going to be a greater need for smaller, cheaper cars.

Ten years back that would be true (Sunfire/Cavalier).

But now there is going to be a greater market of these cars.

As long as they don't produce them like they did the Fire (order bunches for the cheap) they shouldn't eat into sales, and be able to sell them with little or no rebate....

They need to make sure they are still pushing the Balt' for most all of the delta body sales...

[Cadillacfan]

Thank God this vehicle came out! For a second there, I could've sworn GM was actually giving the brand it's own style and some unique products. I got a little worried.

They need to go back and continue building Chevys with kidney grills again.... kind of like this. WOO HOO!!!!

...end sarcasm..

well, I guess GM is just preparing us for the inevitable demise of the Pontiac brand by building vehicles that only differ in badge from the rest of GM's products. It will make the transition easier.

[Mr.Krinkle]

actually if they were preparing us for some kind of so called transition, why then would they give them any kind of a car at all?

that makes no sense.

...end transmission.

could you perhaps clarify by what it is that you mean by style?

does anyone here know if the exhaust, steering, and suspension will be tuned differently. little things like that usually get a pontiac touch to them.

[titan]

This blantant badge engineering has got to end.

[the_yellow_dart]

Well.. it could be worse. You guys could get this (new Canadian Pontiac Wave)

[Mr.Krinkle]

its an entry level pontiac. they are going to produce about 25-30k

a year. whats the big deal?

the jimmy had a blazer the firebird/camaro chevy trucks and the cadilac trucks and gmc trucks. i just dont understand how come this bothers so many people.

"oh, no...badge engineering strikes again" lock up your kids! what about the ion?

someone earlier pointed out that smaller fuel efficient cars are in demand.

pontiac draws in different people than chevy does for the most part...so again how does this hurt?

[The O.C.]

seems to be a lot of resentment for this here little car.

i dont get what all this hate for it is about.

maybe someone can try to explain it without going "ewww"

ive seen a few g6's on the road and they always seem get my attention.  they stand out more so than any accord or toyota ive ever seen.

this looks like a scaled down version of that.  so whats the big deal?

mazda has a 3 and a 6.  the corolla yaris camry and es are all closely related, too.

the cobalt sells rather well so why the hell not.  for all the people who like the cobalt but dont want a chevy...hey, here ya go. 

its not a firebird to a camaro but then these are completely different times and different cars, maybe even for a different crowd.

its not a panacea for pontiac but it cant hurt either.  i know most of you people here arent car snobs so thats the big deal?

and the front end treatment, the kidney grill is found quite a bit in the car world.

jags-bmw-mitsubishi-and plenty others use it.  the new pontiacs in my opinion nail it even more so than bmw.  i understand if you dont like it so be it, but its not really cheap or white trashy as ive heard before.  just throwing it out there.

This sounds like it came right out of the mouth of some kool-aid drinking top GM product planner/executive that's a life-long Michigan resident.

I'm not ragging on Krinkle in particular, but his comments DO echo the thought process that's been WAY to prevalent at GM for way too many decades.......

[Mr.Krinkle]

Well.. it could be worse. You guys could get this (new Canadian Pontiac Wave)

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aint that the truth...it could always get worse.

[The O.C.]

Then, as you allude to, the problem is not the Pontiac Division but Pontiac dealers. Why not deal with the cause instead of the symptoms?

You totally miss the whole grand scheme of things.......

Too many dealers coincides with too many divisions......

I'm not saying it's an easy solution (re....Oldsmobile and their dealers) just pointing out where the problem lies.....it's a huge mess that GM needs to get out of (excess production capacity, too many models, too many divisions) but probably never will be able to get out of.....

[The O.C.]

Which is why B-P-GMC is being consolidated into one dealer network.

Croc.....that's nothing but a bandaid on the wound.......

They are still producing way too many products for way too many divisions.....no matter how the dealer network is being redrawn.....

Step in the right direction? Sure....but it's far from where they need to be.

[Mr.Krinkle]

ive never fully understood this complaint about too many dealers/divisions.

it was always a chevy for the working person, their first car perhaps, then youd geta pontiac as a sign of moving up...buick when youve made it, and if lucky enough the cadillac...and so on.

i dont think combining the 3 into 1 channel is such a bad idea either though.

chances are if your looking for a buick, either of them, you arent interested in a gmc or pontiac.

in a way it does answer the part about too many dealers.

[Croc]

Croc.....that's nothing but a bandaid on the wound.......

They are still producing way too many products for way too many divisions.....no matter how the dealer network is being redrawn.....

Step in the right direction?  Sure....but it's far from where they need to be.

HUH?? My point was that the consolidation was happening so members of Pontiac or Buick wouldn't be complaining when divisions are pared down to just a few focused models. The G5 is the result of Pontiac dealers whining because they need more sales...Ditto with Torrent. Consolidate B-P-GMC and they won't have to worry about sales as they will have full lineups.

Also, "too many products! Too many divisions!" is just so easy to blame as the cause of GM's woes, but it's a load of bull&#036;h&#33;. GM does not have an unweildy number of divisions...they just need to differentiate their divisions. GM's divisions are their greatest asset as they can sell essentially the same car to more people for different prices. You wouldn't be caught dead in a Chevrolet (other than Corvette); however, you have much less of a problem with Saturn. GM needs to focus their divisions instead of trying to be all things to all people with them, thusly creating overlap.

I also object to your "way too many" phrases...So, GM has way too many divisions? What, should they knock off about 6 of them? Oh, wait, then they'd have TWO. You know, you would make a more compelling argument if you'd lay off the melodrama once in a while...this is C&G, not some soap opera.

[Mr.Krinkle]

This sounds like it came right out of the mouth of some kool-aid drinking top GM product planner/executive that's a life-long Michigan resident.

I'm not ragging on Krinkle in particular, but his comments DO echo the thought process that's been WAY to prevalent at GM for way too many decades.......

how so? i actually formed this opinion out of my own volition. i dont like kool-aid, too sweet and fruity for me...but 25-30k a year. for an entry level pontiac.

i just dont see whats the point of looking down your nose about this. i know your not ragging on me, but i dont appreciate you using me as an example, especially since im no where near to being any of those things you mentioned.

[Cadillacfan]

actually if they were preparing us for some kind of so called transition, why then would they give them any kind of a car at all?

that makes no sense.

...end transmission.

could you perhaps clarify by what it is that you mean by style?

does anyone here know if the exhaust, steering, and suspension will be tuned differently.  little things like that usually get a pontiac touch to them.

I think you took my post a little too seriously. Of course they wouldn't waste money on a new car if they were phasing out the brand. I'm not that dumb to actually believe that. I was just throwing a little Pontiac conspiracy theory around that I have seen on other websites.. seriously.

In regards to my comment on style for the brand:

Though, take a look at the Solstice. One of the best looking Pontiacs in a long time. Very stylish, which is what Pontiac desperately needs. Not some "me-too" styling that is seen on the G6 and now this.

[Mr.Krinkle]

yeah, its possible...

about the solstice, ive only seen 2 so far, a black and a white one.

now, the white one i just saw yesterday coming to a four way stop sign. i stopped first and immediately turned my head and paused, probably dropped my jaw a little and just admired the car for a moment.--as this was happening the guy was going to be a penis and jump the sign but then noticed me gawking at his car and quickly stopped and let me go.

the car is a real looker and has a great presence to it. of course any company would benefit from having a car like that in its line up...i dont think anyone would disagree about seeing more cars like that from pontiac. at the same time though however, i think they could possibly benefit from a smaller, entry level car. even if it takes away one corolla sale its worth it. (not exactly one-but you get the gist.)

[sciguy_0504]

GM should just bring over the Wave and call it a day.

[daves87rs]

GM should just bring over the Wave and call it a day.

Hmm....might work...

*ducks*