Random Thoughts Thread

[ccap41]

aaaaaaaaand things got overly political again.. lol

[FordCosworth]

12 minutes ago, Drew Dowdell said:

And how many drone strikes did we launch today?  How many Muslim homes were bulldozed by Israeli tank-dozers today? 

I'm not defending muslim terrorists, but make sure you're not throwing stones in your glass house.  Just because the terrorism we cause is built by General Atomics Aeronautical Systems Inc instead of Some Dude in a Basement doesn't make us any less guilty.

Drone strike that targets enemy combatants is an act of terrorism? 

As is bulldozing the house of a convicted terrorist and his family?

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/jerusalem-violence-why-does-israel-bulldoze-homes-terrorists-1522716

 

 

 

26 minutes ago, Frisky Dingo said:

Lol, look at Saudi Arabia, who we are in bed with!!!

I mentioned them...KSA

I don't differ between sunni or shia. 

 

 

Edited January 6, 2017 by FordCosworth

[Drew Dowdell]

Just now, FordCosworth said:

Drone strike that targets enemy combatants is an act of terrorism? 

As is bulldozing the house of a convicted terrorist and his family?

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/jerusalem-violence-why-does-israel-bulldoze-homes-terrorists-1522716

 

 

 

We've made far too many "oops" with our drone strikes to continue the current policy.  We've hit weddings, funerals, hospitals, schools, shopping markets, and just basically blown everyone up.  

Israel has bulldozed over 60,000 homes.  And yes, bulldozing the home of the family of someone convicted of a crime is terrorism. We're not bulldozing Dylann Roof's family's house just because he shot up a congregation. 

[FordCosworth]

Just now, Drew Dowdell said:

We've made far too many "oops" with our drone strikes to continue the current policy.  We've hit weddings, funerals, hospitals, schools, shopping markets, and just basically blown everyone up.  

Israel has bulldozed over 60,000 homes.  And yes, bulldozing the home of the family of someone convicted of a crime is terrorism. We're not bulldozing Dylann Roof's family's house just because he shot up a congregation. 

So because the USA didn't bulldoze Dylan Roof's house, Israel shouldn't bulldoze a convicted terrorists house? Is that what you're say? 

Yet the paragraph above that, I read you saying American Foreign Policy makes to many " oops ".

 

 

 

[FordCosworth]

PS...

Maybe read up on the hamas Covenant. 

Their Charter ( US Constitution ) , calls for the destruction and death of others.

 

[oldshurst442]

53 minutes ago, ccap41 said:

aaaaaaaaand things got overly political again.. lol

I was born in 1973.

Too young to remember the peace and love hippy stuff going on.

However, I read up on it. Love the songs in this era.

Love those muscle cars, man.

OK...hippies hated muscle cars...phoque them!!!

I feel like hippy 1960s rock should make a comeback. Certainly what we are experiencing today sure is similar to what was going on in the mid-to-late '60s..

Racial tensions. War.

No. No cover songs by today's groups and singers.

The same songs that were released then will do.

With the exception of this one..awesome rendition.

AND JUST BRING BACK OUR GODAMNED MUSCLE CARS BACK!!!

2 DOOR V8 RWD REAL MID-SIZED COUPE CARS..

 

Edited January 6, 2017 by oldshurst442

[FordCosworth]

Hippies, Lefties and Lawyers...

Ugh... they ruined the West 

 

[ccap41]

Sorry @oldshurst442 I tried to 'one up' your response to me but I got this as a response!
"You are not allowed to give reputation to this user."

WTF? THANKS OBAMA!

[oldshurst442]

2 minutes ago, ccap41 said:

Sorry @oldshurst442 I tried to 'one up' your response to me but I got this as a response!
"You are not allowed to give reputation to this user."

WTF? THANKS OBAMA!

It registered.

You could thank Trump for it registering...

[ykX]

@Drew Dowdell

Here is the list of terrorist acts that happened ONLY in December 2016

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents_in_December_2016

1397 innocent people were killed by mostly Islamic terrorism just in December 2016 alone!

You can say that the rest of 1.5 billion Muslims are peaceful wonderful people.  So how come they do not protest all these innocent deaths, how come there is no uproar in the big Muslim world.  Instead they quietly and openly support that terror.

So before you point finger at United States and Israel, please tell me one Muslim country which is democratic, were women have equal rights, where there is freedom of religion, where LGBT have any rights and not just killed or prosecuted.

 

[FAPTurbo]

every time there's an attack, there's an outpouring of condemnation from islamic peoples and institutions worldwide... 

do people think that muslims aren't apologizing hard enough? that if they do, islamic terrorism will just disappear? despite the fact that most victims of islamic terrorism are other muslims?

[oldshurst442]

55 minutes ago, FordCosworth said:

Hippies, Lefties and Lawyers...

Ugh... they ruined the West 

 

Hippies arose because the West, sometimes, gets a little too bigoted. The West, sometimes, wants everything to be...so white. So male and white and in power. With dumb assed puritan thoughts of purity...

Peace and Love. That is the message. Peace and Love. Its hard for peace or love to flourish when puritan Anglo white males want all the money, power and they rule with an iron fist!!! And they want it to always stay white and male...

Lawyers arose  when everybody that is not white or male and revolted against said white males and started defending themselves against these white males.

Blacks wanted equality.

Laws had to be put in place for blacks to be equal to white pure males.

Women burned their bras in protest.

Oh my pure white Anglo God...women wore no bras???!!!

How sinful that is to maybe a nipple show through  a T-Shirt, so laws were put into place for women to be at an equal setting as white puritan Anglo males...(irony as said puritan Anglo males judge Islam for their versions of female repressions...)

Edited January 6, 2017 by oldshurst442

[cp-the-nerd]

20 minutes ago, FAPTurbo said:

every time there's an attack, there's an outpouring of condemnation from from islamic peoples and institutions worldwide...

There was a Pew Research Poll of Muslims around the world and in the US. When asked if suicide bombings and other violence against civilians can be justified, only 86% of AMERICAN Muslims answered rarely/never. There are over 3 million Muslims in the US.

I want you to contemplate that there are over 40,000 Muslims in the United States that believe suicide bombing and violence (i.e. terrorism) is justifiable. The numbers are far worse elsewhere in the world. Islam is a dangerous ideology that is not like other religions. Until it undergoes a major reformation like Christianity and Judaism did hundreds of years ago, extremism will continue to be part of their mainstream culture.

[oldshurst442]

Good 'ol Satanic Ozzy...

Who would have thunk it that Ozzy aint so Satanic after all.

Maybe today's music should change, like it did in the 1960s...and in the early 1990s for that matter...

and one of my personal favorite singers of all time...

Im not gonna spend my life being a colour. Or a religion. Or a sexual orientation. Or a gender...

 

lot of hate going on today...its sickening!!!

[FordCosworth]

44 minutes ago, FAPTurbo said:

every time there's an attack, there's an outpouring of condemnation from islamic peoples and institutions worldwide... 

do people think that muslims aren't apologizing hard enough? that if they do, islamic terrorism will just disappear? despite the fact that most victims of islamic terrorism are other muslims?

Taqiyya.

Outpouring? There is an outpouring alright... when one draws a picture of muhammad, muslims take to the streets. Maybe if the same sincerity was shown by more than a cleric or two when innocent civilians are targeted, for example, in Brussels ( instead of harbouring the suspects in Molenbeek ) one might see that " outpouring " you speak of to be more than lip service.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/jan/19/islamic-riots-kill-as-charlie-hebdo-prophet-muhamm/

 

[FordCosworth]

Unfortunately, we only have the original article discussing the poll results (screen caps below) which was published in Al-Hayat news in Saudi Arabia on July 22, 2014, and that confirm a 92% outcome of support for the Islamic State, but no details or example of all the questions, sources and responses to the poll itself.

https://muslimstatistics.wordpress.com/2014/08/24/92-of-saudis-believes-that-isis-conforms-to-the-values-of-islam-and-islamic-law-survey/

 

[oldshurst442]

Also...

This song is not a rebel song. This song is Sunday Bloody Sunday...

I guess only Muslims commit terrorist acts and only Muslims defend such acts...us whites, we never commit such horror and we definitely dont turn a blind eye to it...

 

[G. David Felt]

Did this thread get moved to the Political Forum? 

Seattle is supposed to get snow this weekend, Hawks are playing in the playoffs tomorrow, Skiing is calling my name and I am having a hard time focusing on work.

[FordCosworth]

6 minutes ago, oldshurst442 said:

Also...

This song is not a rebel song. This song is Sunday Bloody Sunday...

I guess only Muslims commit terrorist acts and only Muslims defend such acts...us whites, we never commit such horror and we definitely dont turn a blind eye to it...

 

The 34th anniversary for that song and the record War is right around the corner 

[oldshurst442]

13 minutes ago, dfelt said:

Did this thread get moved to the Political Forum? 

Seattle is supposed to get snow this weekend, Hawks are playing in the playoffs tomorrow, Skiing is calling my name and I am having a hard time focusing on work.

And muscle cars.

Dont forget about the muscle cars.

The kids with the wife went tobogganing today. I didnt go. I was a wuss today. Too cold. I wasnt in the mood to freeze my nuts off. Maybe Im coming down with a cold as the  weather does not really bother me when it comes to outdoor activities.   

 

[Drew Dowdell]

2 hours ago, ykX said:

@Drew Dowdell

Here is the list of terrorist acts that happened ONLY in December 2016

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents_in_December_2016

1397 innocent people were killed by mostly Islamic terrorism just in December 2016 alone!

You can say that the rest of 1.5 billion Muslims are peaceful wonderful people.  So how come they do not protest all these innocent deaths, how come there is no uproar in the big Muslim world.  Instead they quietly and openly support that terror.

So before you point finger at United States and Israel, please tell me one Muslim country which is democratic, were women have equal rights, where there is freedom of religion, where LGBT have any rights and not just killed or prosecuted.

 

Most of those people killed were also Muslim! 

[oldshurst442]

Sorry Mr. DFELT, but the irony is too good for me to pass up...

I apologize to many people I will be offending here. But it is to prove a point.

A latino gunman born in New Jersey, was in the American Armed Forces stationed in Anchorage just went on a shooting spree in a Florida airport...

Talk about all the Muslim terrorist acts you want, here is yet another public shooting spree the US is going through committed by AMERICANS KILLING OTHER AMERICANS fueled solely on mental illness and for the fact that gun responsibility in the States does not exist.

Want to talk about how Muslim Terrorist acts committed and are not chastised by other Muslims?

How about trying to figure out how to stop public shooting sprees where Americans kill other Americans by the dozens first, then we could talk about Muslims...lets take care of an American terrorist problem that kills Americans and let us not use the Constitution to defend gun abuse in America first, then we could tackle the Muslim terrorist problem as American on American gun violence kills more innocent American lives than Muslims do...

[ykX]

2 hours ago, Drew Dowdell said:

Most of those people killed were also Muslim! 

Really??? This is your answer????

I am not going even respond to that.

[FAPTurbo]

it's a credible answer. sectarian islamic terrorism is what kills a lot of muslims... we're shit scared of brown people but every day dozens if not hundreds of muslims are killed by other muslims.

practicing and non-practicing muslims aren't a homogenous cabal bent on a world caliphate. if they were, my muslim friends are doing a shit job because they're way too developing apps and smoking pot. 

[Drew Dowdell]

1 hour ago, ykX said:

Really??? This is your answer????

I am not going even respond to that.

Yes! There are religious extremist in nearly every religion.  ISIS is to Islam what the KKK or Westboro Baptist or the Army of God are to Christianity and the JDL is to Judaism.   There are 1.6 billion muslims in the world. The vast majority of them are peaceful.   And a Star Wars fan just shot up Fort Lauderdale Airport today.  Don't condemn an entire religion based on the actions of a few. 

[FordCosworth]

2 hours ago, Drew Dowdell said:

Yes! There are religious extremist in nearly every religion.  ISIS is to Islam what the KKK or Westboro Baptist or the Army of God are to Christianity and the JDL is to Judaism.   There are 1.6 billion muslims in the world. The vast majority of them are peaceful.   And a Star Wars fan just shot up Fort Lauderdale Airport today.  Don't condemn an entire religion based on the actions of a few. 

You might want want to read up a bit more on ISIS before comparing them to...well anything 

https://www.zerocensorship.com/amp-r/isis/atrocities

 

 

Edited January 7, 2017 by FordCosworth

[ocnblu]

8 hours ago, Drew Dowdell said:

Yes! There are religious extremist in nearly every religion.  ISIS is to Islam what the KKK or Westboro Baptist or the Army of God are to Christianity and the JDL is to Judaism.   There are 1.6 billion muslims in the world. The vast majority of them are peaceful.   And a Star Wars fan just shot up Fort Lauderdale Airport today.  Don't condemn an entire religion based on the actions of a few. 

Here we go, daring to compare ISIS to the KKK, Westboro Baptists etc. when there is no sane comparison between the actions of the two sides.  Liberalism.  It is a disease.

[oldshurst442]

2 hours ago, ocnblu said:

Here we go, daring to compare ISIS to the KKK, Westboro Baptists etc. when there is no sane comparison between the actions of the two sides.  Liberalism.  It is a disease.

I dont know about Westboro Baptists, but the KKK...

The KKK, terrorized many many people for over 100 years. And although they did not strap bombs on themselves to blow up who they hated, they did however lynch people. They shot and murdered people. They strapped people on long ropes tied to the back bumper of cars and dragged them.

They are indeed a hatred group. They are indeed a terrorist group.

What you did judging people as 'liberals' is exactly what is wrong with today's hatred...

Name calling and judging and pointing fingers without actually trying to end the hatred.

All hatred.

Turning a blind eye to America's hatred groups and only concentrating on Muslims is NOT how the hatred will leave us...

Its hypocrisy at its best.

Comparing and pulling out similarities is actually trying to understand what is going on...

ISIS decapitates people.

KKK shoots guns and does other barbaric things.

ISIS ideals are based on religion. And the hatred for all things West.

KKK ideals are based on race and on religion as well. 

And the comparisons if we dig further only get eerily similar...

Cowardly attempts to hide their identity....

And you know what is MORE scarier for the KKK than it is for ISIS.

There is a faction of the KKK that idolizes Adolf Hitler...

Be a black man in the early 1900s where the KKK was protected and whole towns were part of the Klan...police officers, judges, sheriffs, teachers, store keepers... basically a black man's entire encounters with the white man by day time, and his worst nightmare by nighttime....

Be a black man during those times and then tell me ISIS is not like the KKK...

[oldshurst442]

10 hours ago, FordCosworth said:

You might want want to read up a bit more on ISIS before comparing them to...well anything 

https://www.zerocensorship.com/amp-r/isis/atrocities

 

 

You may want to learn about North American history...

Its true that up here in Canada, we really did not have that kind of hatred on our streets.

But the KKK still exists today.

Its head was cut off and its power was diminished some what, but over the last 20 years, the KKK is picking up steam and flourishing and it might actually see bigger levels of popularity than it enjoyed 100 years ago.

And because Brown people are immigrating into the USA more and more, and more whites are being lied to about said Brown people to make them scared $h!less about Brown people, the KKK will not only continue killing Black folk, but today they also have Brown people to target.

Dont believe?

Its OK...

The news is out there for you to read about.

Edited January 7, 2017 by oldshurst442

[surreal1272]

19 hours ago, FordCosworth said:

Drew...

That many happened before noon yesterday under the guise of islam.

So what? The fact is that religion in general creates fanatics on all sides. To deny this and trying to single out just one is wearing blinders to history and the world. Hell, this country was created due to the same fanatical behavior. Just ask the Native American population (or what's left of them after the "be a Christian or die" campaign of the 1800s). Within minutes of the Ft. Lauderdale shooting, there were idiots on Facebook and Fox News immediately spouting off about ISIS, Islam, and terrorism. Upon hearing the name of the shooter, it turned to illegal immigration. Now that it turns out that he was military, crickets have taken over and those same folks are making just as many excuses for his behaviors as you are claiming the "liberal media" is making for those four thugs in Chicago (which, btw, they should never spend another free day in society so don't get my motives here twisted). Point being there are murderers and fanatics on all sides and if you spend all of your days focusing on one (Islam in this case), then you miss the Esteban Sanitago and Dylan Roofs of the world.

41 minutes ago, oldshurst442 said:

I dont know about Westboro Baptists, but the KKK...

The KKK, terrorized many many people for over 100 years. And although they did not strap bombs on themselves to blow up who they hated, they did however lynch people. They shot and murdered people. They strapped people on long ropes tied to the back bumper of cars and dragged them.

They are indeed a hatred group. They are indeed a terrorist group.

What you did judging people as 'liberals' is exactly what is wrong with today's hatred...

Name calling and judging and pointing fingers without actually trying to end the hatred.

All hatred.

Turning a blind eye to America's hatred groups and only concentrating on Muslims is NOT how the hatred will leave us...

Its hypocrisy at its best.

Comparing and pulling out similarities is actually trying to understand what is going on...

ISIS decapitates people.

KKK shoots guns and does other barbaric things.

ISIS ideals are based on religion. And the hatred for all things West.

KKK ideals are based on race and on religion as well. 

And the comparisons if we dig further only get eerily similar...

Cowardly attempts to hide their identity....

And you know what is MORE scarier for the KKK than it is for ISIS.

There is a faction of the KKK that idolizes Adolf Hitler...

Be a black man in the early 1900s where the KKK was protected and whole towns were part of the Klan...police officers, judges, sheriffs, teachers, store keepers... basically a black man's entire encounters with the white man by day time, and his worst nightmare by nighttime....

Be a black man during those times and then tell me ISIS is not like the KKK...

A thousand times, THIS^^^. Such a lack of historical understanding of basic history by some here because they are hung up on the flavor of the day (Islam and ISIS). Newsflash. If you want to be pissed of about ISIS, then you need to pissed off at our government because we helped create the mess that we now can't clean up. 

[surreal1272]

A small sample of what made Christianity the dominant religion of the world.

http://www.truthbeknown.com/victims.htm

 

Go ahead and ignore this if you hate the truth. The sand is to your left for you to place your head in.

17 hours ago, FAPTurbo said:

every time there's an attack, there's an outpouring of condemnation from islamic peoples and institutions worldwide... 

do people think that muslims aren't apologizing hard enough? that if they do, islamic terrorism will just disappear? despite the fact that most victims of islamic terrorism are other muslims?

Exactly but the naysayers tend to not see that kind of news on Fox and the Drudge Report. How many white Christians were apologizing for Dylan Roof?

[surreal1272]

17 hours ago, cp-the-nerd said:

There was a Pew Research Poll of Muslims around the world and in the US. When asked if suicide bombings and other violence against civilians can be justified, only 86% of AMERICAN Muslims answered rarely/never. There are over 3 million Muslims in the US.

I want you to contemplate that there are over 40,000 Muslims in the United States that believe suicide bombing and violence (i.e. terrorism) is justifiable. The numbers are far worse elsewhere in the world. Islam is a dangerous ideology that is not like other religions. Until it undergoes a major reformation like Christianity and Judaism did hundreds of years ago, extremism will continue to be part of their mainstream culture.

So they interviewed every Muslim? No. Then that is a fallacy statement CP and you know it. It's like me pointing out that a recent poll showed that 38% of Christian's believe that LGBT folks do not deserve equal protections and there are still plenty of those folks who had little to no reaction to the Orlando nightclub shooting last year. Yes, they were "mad" because the shooter was with ISIS (he really wasn't but that is a story for another time) but they weren't exactly hanging out in Orlando in droves to support those LGBT folks who lost loved ones there. The point that the complacency you are claiming about a portion of Muslims out there can easily be applied to Christian's here and elsewhere around the world. Islam is only part of the problem here. Organized religion, in general, is the bigger problem. 

[surreal1272]

11 hours ago, FordCosworth said:

You might want want to read up a bit more on ISIS before comparing them to...well anything 

https://www.zerocensorship.com/amp-r/isis/atrocities

 

 

This coming from the same person who claimed that George Sorors owned voting machines in thirteen states (he didn't and this was proven btw) to help Clinton win the election. Excuse me if I don't take your statements at face value here. 

[ocnblu]

SNOW!!!

[Frisky Dingo]

My take away from all of this is that religion is a brainwashing machine that in some form or another, is the culprit of a vast number of atrocities that have been committed by humans in the past, and continues to be committed.

You can try to spin it however you want, but radical Islam is without equal on today's global stage relative to other religions, groups, whatever other example you want to use. Of course our war mongering government is partly responsible for creating the current atmosphere of terrorism, but even without our involvement, it would still be happening. It dates back to the British occupation of Afghanistan. Anyone who thinks the most recent conflicts in Iraq and Afghanistan are the sole reasons for the problems we fact today are full of it.

Radical Islam, the barbaric laws in place by dictators who practice it, and the State-sponsored terrorism that is running rampant is a cancer. It is a cancer that is spreading, and it needs to be stopped at all costs.

 

[surreal1272]

7 minutes ago, Frisky Dingo said:

My take away from all of this is that religion is a brainwashing machine that in some form or another, is the culprit of a vast number of atrocities that have been committed by humans in the past, and continues to be committed.

You can try to spin it however you want, but radical Islam is without equal on today's global stage relative to other religions, groups, whatever other example you want to use. Of course our war mongering government is partly responsible for creating the current atmosphere of terrorism, but even without our involvement, it would still be happening. It dates back to the British occupation of Afghanistan. Anyone who thinks the most recent conflicts in Iraq and Afghanistan are the sole reasons for the problems we fact today are full of it.

Radical Islam, the barbaric laws in place by dictators who practice it, and the State-sponsored terrorism that is running rampant is a cancer. It is a cancer that is spreading, and it needs to be stopped at all costs.

 

That "like" was for the first paragraph. The rest of it still sidesteps history. Example? Christianity only seems peaceful now because they used the previous 2000 years or so to violently spread their beliefs and force it upon others. Sound familiar?

[Frisky Dingo]

10 minutes ago, surreal1272 said:

That "like" was for the first paragraph. The rest of it still sidesteps history. Example? Christianity only seems peaceful now because they used the previous 2000 years or so to violently spread their beliefs and force it upon others. Sound familiar?

It's not side stepping it, it's intentionally omitting it because it has no bearing on the present.

I did, after all, use the words 'today', 'recent' and 'current' in my post.

[surreal1272]

6 minutes ago, Frisky Dingo said:

It's not side stepping it, it's intentionally omitting it because it has no bearing on the present.

I did, after all, use the words 'today', 'recent' and 'current' in my post.

I see what you're saying but it does have a bearing on the present and that's my point. It's a perpetual cycle of one religion trying to dominate all others and it all has to stop because even if we stop radical Islam today, there is another radical religion waiting in the wings. History has proven that and we can't ignore it just because it is more convenient to speak of only what's happening right now. 

[Frisky Dingo]

4 minutes ago, surreal1272 said:

I see what you're saying but it does have a bearing on the present and that's my point. It's a perpetual cycle of one religion trying to dominate all others and it all has to stop because even if we stop radical Islam today, there is another radical religion waiting in the wings. History has proven that and we can't ignore it just because it is more convenient to speak of only what's happening right now. 

 

I disagree. The days of conquest and forceful colonization are long gone. The political atmosphere is too sensitive for such things to happen today. There's too much at stake. Sure, there may be small skirmishes- Russia's annexing Crimea, Israel having run-ins in their neighborhood, etc, but large scale events would have too great of consequences.

States (the powerful ones, at least) are governed with money as the top priority today anyway, rather than religious rationale or ideology. 

[surreal1272]

Sure there is no colonial like action going on but just one look at the many GOP sponsored bills being thrown around from one state to the next right now (that has nothing to with jobs, economy, or anything for the sort) shows that religious influence is still very much a huge factor in governing for a lot of folks and it is a problem and it was all set up over the last 200+ years in this country by a dominant and controlling religion. I simply will never ignore that simple fact when I hear folks talking about how bad Muslims are. Btw, I am no way advocating what the radicals are doing but there is a clear separation between them and most Muslims when they are indiscriminately killing other Muslims. 

[balthazar]

2 hours ago, oldshurst442 said:

But the KKK still exists today. Its head was cut off and its power was diminished some what, but over the last 20 years, the KKK is picking up steam and flourishing and it might actually see bigger levels of popularity than it enjoyed 100 years ago.

Caught my eye, so I poked around. Southern Poverty Law center estimates the current level of U.S. KKK membership is between 5000 and 8000. In the 1920s, it was between 1.2 and 4 million. "Diminished somewhat" - you think? KKK has a rally now and maybe 10 sheetheads show up.

A study by a D.C. think tank called New America produced a report basically stating that home-grown terroristic fatalities eclipses that of Islamist terrorists here (as long as you start counting after 9/11 of course), and that all hate groups combined (KKK, Black Panthers, anti-Gov't militants, lone wolf racists, etc) have killed 48 people in the last 15 years. Isis kills more than that a month worldwide.

These 2 fundamentalist groups (Isis & the KKK) aren't remotely on the same level.

[oldshurst442]

13 minutes ago, balthazar said:

Caught my eye, so I poked around. Southern Poverty Law center estimates the current level of U.S. KKK membership is between 5000 and 8000. In the 1920s, it was between 1.2 and 4 million. "Diminished somewhat" - you think? KKK has a rally now and maybe 10 sheetheads show up.

A study by a D.C. think tank called New America produced a report basically stating that home-grown terroristic fatalities eclipses that of Islamist terrorists here (as long as you start counting after 9/11 of course), and that all hate groups combined (KKK, Black Panthers, anti-Gov't militants, lone wolf racists, etc) have killed 48 people in the last 15 years. Isis kills more than that a month worldwide.

These 2 fundamentalist groups (Isis & the KKK) aren't remotely on the same level.

Ha!

Keep turning a blind eye to it...use semantics to keep on turning a blind eye to it...

http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/real-life/news-life/the-kkk-is-slowly-rising-again/news-story/98e196460ea63e7469881a0306422040

 

http://www.cnn.com/2015/01/07/us/klan-numbers/

 

While members only tally up to 5000-8000, like you said, a far cry from the million that it once had...white power feelings are growing...especially after Obama's second term. And like I said, more and more visible Brown muslims are immigrating to the US. Those numbers will increase substantially in the months and years to come...

Plus...while muslim terrorism is nothing new, its OLDER than the KKK. Try hundreds of years, ask an Armenian or a Greek, or a Persian or Egyptian or Syrian...the ancient Persian or Egyptian or Syrian where they were conquered by Islam and forced into that religion...or a Greek and Armenian where muslim Turcs had us enslaved for 400 years...

OK....it seems like Im making an argument for you...

Try this on for size...

In the 1920s...1 MILLION KKK members existed in a North America that had approximately 100 million people. That includes black people... 

We will say its 1%...

Today the USA has 320 million...

Could the KKK grow to 3.2 million members?

I dont know, you dont either...

The real question is, do you really want to find out, or do you want to prevent it?

By negating and minimizing the KKK and by fueling fear about ISIS only enables the KKK even more.

No...I disagree. The KKK is on EQUAL level as ISIS.

REALLY???

Nazi worshipping??? At least ISIS is fighting for their own cause...as blind and misguided those causes might be...it aint as delusional as nazi worshipping...

Do you want me to post pics of Nazi death camps?

[ccap41]

[oldshurst442]

3 minutes ago, ccap41 said:

Na.

Im done with this.

This aint a political thread, nor do I wanna offend anybody in here.

These folk in here at Cheers and Gears are nice folk.

I like to continue being in good standing with them.

What I posted in here about this subject the last 24 hours is just for us a North American community, is for us to think about what is going on, and for us to improve our freedoms. The little we have left. But at the very least, we could continue to be a multicultural society and continue to respect each other. The USA and Canada has lead the way for 100 years plus...let us continue on that trajectory.

[balthazar]

A 'blind eye' is one that sees hyperbole before fact, my friend.
Is membership rising? OK, sure. If I have 5 apples and my inventory rises 100%, I gots 10. Am I any sort of force in the apple retail market now?

1.2m + 4m = 5.2m / 2 = 2.6m, the average of the estimate of KKK members in the '20s.
Est. population in 1925: 115m. 2.6m out of 115m is 2.2%. 2.2% of 320m is 6,400,000 KKK members.

They're currently @ an estimated 6,500. That's 130 people per state. Put another way; that's 1 KKK member for every 585 square miles of U.S. land area.

For comparison's sake; estimates for isis fighters alone is 25K-30K.

Is the KKK going to be a force anything like it once was, numbers-wise? Basically, that would be impossible.

Estimate I saw of KKK killings was something like 3500 in 85 years. On the order of 40 deaths/yr. Horrific of course. 
Currently they are only part of the 48 deaths in the U.S. in the last 15 years. What's the actual number; a dozen? Less than 1/yr?
Is the KKK any sort of 'force' in the terrorist category now?

Like I said "Not that they should be ignored", but the influence & reach of them now is a pale shadow of what it once was. Numbers-wise, even more so RE terror/murder. The name is getting thrown around like this is going to happen again:

A tiny membership uptick is not going to turn into a tide… but monitor it all the same.

 

[surreal1272]

9 minutes ago, balthazar said:

A 'blind eye' is one that sees hyperbole before fact, my friend.
Is membership rising? OK, sure. If I have 5 apples and my inventory rises 100%, I gots 10. Am I any sort of force in the apple retail market now?

1.2m + 4m = 5.2m / 2 = 2.6m, the average of the estimate of KKK members in the '20s.
Est. population in 1925: 115m. 2.6m out of 115m is 2.2%. 2.2% of 320m is 6,400,000 KKK members.

They're currently @ an estimated 6,500. That's 130 people per state. Put another way; that's 1 KKK member for every 585 square miles of U.S. land area.

For comparison's sake; estimates for isis fighters alone is 25K-30K.

Is the KKK going to be a force anything like it once was, numbers-wise? Basically, that would be impossible.

Estimate I saw of KKK killings was something like 3500 in 85 years. On the order of 40 deaths/yr. Horrific of course. 
Currently they are only part of the 48 deaths in the U.S. in the last 15 years. What's the actual number; a dozen? Less than 1/yr?
Is the KKK any sort of 'force' in the terrorist category now?

Like I said "Not that they should be ignored", but the influence & reach of them now is a pale shadow of what it once was. Numbers-wise, even more so RE terror/murder. The name is getting thrown around like this is going to happen again:

A tiny membership uptick is not going to turn into a tide… but monitor it all the same.

 

Was white supremacist Dylan Roof included in that equation? Furthermore some of the homegrown attacks here, that ISIS is taking credit for, really can't be attributed to those idiots. Take the Orlando shooter for example. He can pledge to ISIS on the internet until the cows come home but that doesn't make him anymore of an ISIS fighter. It's like Johnny Redneck going out and killing five black people and claiming his allegiance to the KKK before killing himself, even though he never attended one meeting. My point is that you have to look through the distortion field as it relates to these home grown terrorist types. Some of them are just going to commit these acts no matter who they pledge their allegiance to. All they are looking for is opportunity and their 15 minutes, which our sorry media happily gives them. 

[ykX]

I am sorry guys but you are dreaming or simply ignoring the facts.

Comparing ISIS to KKK or saying that almost every single day suicide bombings across the world are done by few radicals??

I will repeat my question, there are 1.5 billion Muslims in the world there are 50 countries with Muslim majority.  Give me an example of ONE Muslim country where there is a democracy, where women have equal rights, where there is freedom of religion, where LGBT are not prosecuted and killed.

Look what is happening in the countries were there is a large number of immigrants from Muslim countries: England ,France and Germany.  See what is going on in there. 

Please show me one normal mother that will do this to her child:

[surreal1272]

2 hours ago, ykX said:

I am sorry guys but you are dreaming or simply ignoring the facts.

Comparing ISIS to KKK or saying that almost every single day suicide bombings across the world are done by few radicals??

I will repeat my question, there are 1.5 billion Muslims in the world there are 50 countries with Muslim majority.  Give me an example of ONE Muslim country where there is a democracy, where women have equal rights, where there is freedom of religion, where LGBT are not prosecuted and killed.

Look what is happening in the countries were there is a large number of immigrants from Muslim countries: England ,France and Germany.  See what is going on in there. 

Please show me one normal mother that will do this to her child:

Given the hostility towards Muslims, immigrants in general, and LGBT here, how are we much different? Btw, we are not a democracy so that's a bit of a fallacy argument. 

 

Oh oh and here's your list of democratic countries that have Muslim majorities. 

https://www.quora.com/Which-Muslim-majority-countries-are-the-most-democratic

 

bear in mind, I'm not trying to make distinctions where certain freedoms are concerned because, again, this country doesn't have a whole lot of room to talk about freedoms and equal treatment. 

Edited January 7, 2017 by surreal1272

[FordCosworth]

You might want to look up the workings of democracy in islamic nations...

For instance, here's a lesson on the Republic of Iran.

The Supreme Leader picks who runs for presidency

All women and minority religious groups, including sunni muslims ( Iran is shia ) , are barred from being elected president. 

Your link to " islamic democracy " nations, is an opinion piece, just like my input, yours, Drew etc etc...

When one, like that author, states " I dismissed, I didn't include, I omitted " etc etc, he is basing his article on his opinion  

Truth, and the freedom to criticize religious and political authority, are the central pillars of democracy. Try criticizing islam in those " democratic " islamic nations and see what that gets you 

 

 

 

 

Edited January 8, 2017 by FordCosworth

[daves87rs]

2016 was a rough year for hate, pretty much around the world......

 

My bigger focus here for 2017-

https://youtu.be/WpYeekQkAdc