Random Thoughts Thread

[ccap41]

35 minutes ago, Stew said:

There are states where it is still ok per the law to hire/fire/discriminate based on sexual orientation.

This is mind boggling to me.

But there are state laws that prohibit this, just not all sates?

Personally, I don't have an issue as long as the states ARE taking this into their own hands. I don't think it needs to be federal law but it definitely should be taken care of at the state level.

[Stew]

2 minutes ago, ccap41 said:

This is mind boggling to me.

But there are state laws that prohibit this, just not all sates?

Personally, I don't have an issue as long as the states ARE taking this into their own hands. I don't think it needs to be federal law but it definitely should be taken care of at the state level.

I can't remember the exact numbers, but it is 20 or so states that have no protections and North carolina went as far as making it illegal for local municipalities to be provide to provide protections. 

[ccap41]

36 minutes ago, Stew said:

beaten, or murdered.

No legal entity will allow that to happen. I agree with you up until this point because if somebody is getting beaten it does not matter what their beliefs are, it is against the law. There is no legal "pass" for somebody to murder somebody based on their sexual orientation.

[Stew]

2 minutes ago, ccap41 said:

No legal entity will allow that to happen. I agree with you up until this point because if somebody is getting beaten it does not matter what their beliefs are, it is against the law. There is no legal "pass" for somebody to murder somebody based on their sexual orientation.

It has to do with the severity of punishment.  It is possible for the punishment not to match the crime so to speak, so for something to actually be considered a hate crime and get the punsihment for that, it has fall under one of the federally protected classes.  the fact is, this really wouldn't effect anyone that is not anti-lgbt or lgbt.  It needs to be one of the federally protected classes. 

[ccap41]

18 minutes ago, Stew said:

It has to do with the severity of punishment.  It is possible for the punishment not to match the crime so to speak, so for something to actually be considered a hate crime and get the punsihment for that, it has fall under one of the federally protected classes.  the fact is, this really wouldn't effect anyone that is not anti-lgbt or lgbt.  It needs to be one of the federally protected classes. 

What is the punishment for a hate crime ass whoopin' and what is the punishment for an assault ass whoopin'?

[Stew]

12 minutes ago, ccap41 said:

What is the punishment for a hate crime ass whoopin' and what is the punishment for an assault ass whoopin'?

Longer sentences for basically.  Kind of a double whammy because it isn't just assault, it is assault and a hate crime.  It is also easier to get probation or for an abuser to get of altogeter without having that hate crime charge on top of it. 

[ccap41]

1 minute ago, Stew said:

Longer sentences for basically.  Kind of a double whammy because it isn't just assault, it is assault and a hate crime.  It is also easier to get probation or for an abuser to get of altogeter without having that hate crime charge on top of it. 

That makes sense. I can understand that.

[Guest Wings4Life(BANNED)]

1 hour ago, Stew said:

Actually support for marriage equality was over 60%.  it doesn't matter anyway because we are not a country controlled by any religion, and the majority does not get to decide who gets civil rights, including marriage, the constitution does.   It states all men are created equal, not All men are created equal, except those who aren't in the majority.....

Just to be clear, I am neither for or against gay marriage. It really does not affect me, so if it is allowed, that is fine by me.

But regarding the Constitution, there is no mention of marriage, at all.  Nor is it discussed in the Bill of Rights.

http://www.suanews.com/constitution/gay-marriage-what-does-our-constitution-say.html

[Stew]

It doesn't mention the words christian or Jesus, but it is still your protected right to believe in them........

 

At falls here under the 14th amendment as far as all citizens having equal rights.

 

Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

[Guest Wings4Life(BANNED)]

1 hour ago, Stew said:

It doesn't mention the words christian or Jesus, but it is still your protected right to believe in them........

 

At falls here under the 14th amendment as far as all citizens having equal rights.

 

 

But if it is not a right, then what is there to protect?

[Stew]

See above.

 

Now that I am back at a computer I can go further into this. 

Marriage carries benefits on basically all levels of government.    This includes tax benefits and rights as a couple, ie who has control over property, funerals, etc if the most unthinkable is to happen to one of them.  (those are just examples).  As such, every American citizen, regardless to who they love should have the inalienable right to these benefits.  And hence it is a right that should be shared b ALL. 

Edited November 11, 2016 by Stew

[Guest Wings4Life(BANNED)]

44 minutes ago, Stew said:

See above.

 

Now that I am back at a computer I can go further into this. 

Marriage carries benefits on basically all levels of government.    This includes tax benefits and rights as a couple, ie who has control over property, funerals, etc if the most unthinkable is to happen to one of them.  (those are just examples).  As such, every American citizen, regardless to who they love should have the inalienable right to these benefits.  And hence it is a right that should be shared b ALL. 

I will claim ignorance on the matter and concede any previous stance I may have conveyed.  I have obviously not given it much thought.

 

 

[Guest Wings4Life(BANNED)]

On a much lighter note, my kid just got  COD IW, and bummer, he has to work all weekend. Hehehehe.

 

[Stew]

20 minutes ago, Wings4Life said:

I will claim ignorance on the matter and concede any previous stance I may have conveyed.  I have obviously not given it much thought.

 

 

It's ok and understandable.  it is different when it is something that directly affects a person.  it causes you to learn the ins and outs and whys and hows. 

[G. David Felt]

14 minutes ago, Wings4Life said:

On a much lighter note, my kid just got  COD IW, and bummer, he has to work all weekend. Hehehehe.

 

COD IW ? 

[Guest Wings4Life(BANNED)]

54 minutes ago, dfelt said:

COD IW ? 

[Drew Dowdell]

7 hours ago, Wings4Life said:

You clearly don't understand what defines racism.

And there is not evidence of Trump assaulting anyone.  Perhaps you don't understand what assault is either.  Words are cheap and easy.  Anyone can come forward and claim anything, especially when there is a huge purse that could pay out.

Again, all you have is mean words.

 

1. A number of people make claims of Trump assaulting them.

2. Later, a video comes out where Trump himself narrates how he likes to assault people ..even down to a step by step process.... and it pretty much matches the earlier stories from before the tape.

Because of #2, I'm inclined to believe #1. 

[Guest Wings4Life(BANNED)]

29 minutes ago, Drew Dowdell said:

1. A number of people make claims of Trump assaulting them.

2. Later, a video comes out where Trump himself narrates how he likes to assault people ..even down to a step by step process.... and it pretty much matches the earlier stories from before the tape.

Because of #2, I'm inclined to believe #1. 

Step by step process?

That's quite a reach Drew.  He joked about getting in her pants. Don't exactly need schematics and systems engineering processes.

And I think it was the other way around, with gold digging woman coming out of the woodwork after that old video came out.

[FAPTurbo]

okay posit he was joking, he's then making light of coercion and sexual assault which is pretty fucking damning of his character.

people said the same shit about cosby, calling the women 'gold diggers' or attention whores.

now young men are learning it's okay to be rapey shit-heels and girls get to know that even a dozen of their voices in unison will never trump that of a male's.

[Suaviloquent]

10 hours ago, ccap41 said:

This was already commented on by THE admin.

Yep, include me as well, but it's the culmination of leech season, so we have some flexibility. I guess.

 

Just don't get too bogged into it.

[A Horse With No Name]

33 minutes ago, Suaviloquent said:

Yep, include me as well, but it's the culmination of leech season, so we have some flexibility. I guess.

 

Just don't get too bogged into it.

Then dammit let's get back to cars.  Not sure what I am going to buy when I replace the TDI. Feeling an odd, irrational attraction to a TLX or a TSX. Preferably gently used, although 30 k new is not out the question.

[A Horse With No Name]

2 hours ago, Drew Dowdell said:

1. A number of people make claims of Trump assaulting them.

2. Later, a video comes out where Trump himself narrates how he likes to assault people ..even down to a step by step process.... and it pretty much matches the earlier stories from before the tape.

Because of #2, I'm inclined to believe #1. 

I am inclined to let people figure it out for themselves.  If they are intellectually honest more than enough evidence exists for his character.

Notice that my position is that HRC would be better from a policy standpoint not that I am defending her personally.  I have a professor at the University I work at with whom I enjoy chatting with and grabbing the occasional lunch with.

She wanted me to go with her campaigning for HRC.  It was interesting explaining to her that the Clinton campaign probably did not want a volunteer who saw her as an active and unindicted war criminal.

To actually defend a moral conscious for either candidate is beyond the pale IMHO.

Which candidate should we defend, the one who is killing 13 year old girls with drones or the one who is possibly facing trial for raping a 13 year old?  As the father of a teenage girl, can't really imagine allowing either to happen to her.

End of political rant...just very tired of people trying to rationalize either candidate as a really good choice.

Three years from now when the economy is in the tank and Trump has not fulfilled his economic promises I do reserve the right to come back and troll you who voted for him unmercifully.

[A Horse With No Name]

Back to cars, wish the TLX came in more colors.  While I would rather cross the Pacific in a leaky row boat than admit that Wings was right about anything...I do really like Lincoln's colors.

Some quality thought went into them...

The Miata has the same issue with colors.  At least the BRZ comes in world rally blue..WRX looks good in WRB also.

Also, thanks to everyone for letting me come in and rant.

Edited November 12, 2016 by Chris Hachet

[ccap41]

23 minutes ago, Chris Hachet said:

Then dammit let's get back to cars.  Not sure what I am going to buy when I replace the TDI. Feeling an odd, irrational attraction to a TLX or a TSX. Preferably gently used, although 30 k new is not out the question.

Weird enough.. the only Acura that gets my attention is the baby ILX. Something about it I really like even though I've heard it's the worst in the Acura lineup. 

[A Horse With No Name]

Not sure what combination of cars I want.  Also thinking of buying a cheaper used family car to replace the TDI and putting more money into a fun car.  Miata and BRZ are still at the top of the list. In that scenario I sell the MINI, which is paid for...

And if anyone is wondering why I am posting under my real name rather than the Horse handle, I had my wife sign me out of all of my social media accounts other than one woodworking forum. Told her not to give me password for awhile.  Trying to detox after not just the election but trying to avoid dealing with several issues friends are facing at the moment on Facebook and Twitter.

3 minutes ago, ccap41 said:

Weird enough.. the only Acura that gets my attention is the baby ILX. Something about it I really like even though I've heard it's the worst in the Acura lineup. 

I like that also. The styling on the entire Honda lineup I find amazingly unattractive. With Acura, it is less ugly enough that I could consider it.

[ccap41]

To be honest.. I just thought you were a new guy. Now that I know who you are... FUUUUUUCK YYYOOOUUUU!! GTFO and go back to your "woodworking" websites which is probably just code for porn anyway!! 

 

Hahahaha JKJK!

i like the idea of the detox. I just try and not let myself get too deep/serious into the social media stuffs. 

[A Horse With No Name]

5 hours ago, Stew said:

It's ok and understandable.  it is different when it is something that directly affects a person.  it causes you to learn the ins and outs and whys and hows. 

Agreed. In some ways I consider myself liberal and in some ways conservative.  Mostly I just want the government not in my life in ways the do not need to be.  Telling citizens who can love some seems like a really crappy thing for the government to get involved in.

[Guest Wings4Life(BANNED)]

12 hours ago, bigpoolog said:

okay posit he was joking, he's then making light of coercion and sexual assault which is pretty f@#king damning of his character.

people said the same $h! about cosby, calling the women 'gold diggers' or attention whores.

now young men are learning it's okay to be rapey $h!-heels and girls get to know that even a dozen of their voices in unison will never trump that of a male's.

So you would rather believe that NO woman are interested in collecting some of his BILLIONS, but rather that Trump is more likely to drug and subdue woman.  

Good for you.

[Guest Wings4Life(BANNED)]

11 hours ago, Chris Hachet said:

 

Three years from now when the economy is in the tank and Trump has not fulfilled his economic promises I do reserve the right to come back and troll you who voted for him unmercifully.

Well, it is 8 years worth of Obama destroying our country, economically, socially and even politically.  I doubt I need a list. Everyone should be aware.  So this is our time now.

[G. David Felt]

Interesting observation, the last time the country was in this exact position was 1928 under total GOP control and we know where that got us 2 years later. DEPRESSION.

On an auto note, very cool about the Acura. I agree that they are in the same position as Lincoln and living off 1-2 auto's at best. They needs a clean break from Honda and to reboot their line much like I believe Lincoln is doing with the continental.

[Guest Wings4Life(BANNED)]

38 minutes ago, dfelt said:

Interesting observation, the last time the country was in this exact position was 1928 under total GOP control and we know where that got us 2 years later. DEPRESSION.

 

So do you believe the country is in this position.....because of a man who has not even entered office yet......or because of liberals?

Yup

[surreal1272]

1 hour ago, dfelt said:

Interesting observation, the last time the country was in this exact position was 1928 under total GOP control and we know where that got us 2 years later. DEPRESSION.

On an auto note, very cool about the Acura. I agree that they are in the same position as Lincoln and living off 1-2 auto's at best. They needs a clean break from Honda and to reboot their line much like I believe Lincoln is doing with the continental.

I always find it funny when both on both sides think that one party is the reason for everything bad with this country. Example, saying that Obama is the only reason for $h! sucking when you have to consider he had to deal with an obstructionist GOP congress. It's not even a debatable point. Another example, blaming Bush Jr. for economic mess when it was Carter and Clinton policies on housing and lending that set us up for disaster in the 2000s. Again, it's not even a debatable point. 

 

This is why I've been a registered independent since I  was first eligible to vote 25 years ago. The Democrats and the Republicans have been taking a big fat dump on us for far too long. 

[ccap41]

I actually have no clue what I'm registered.. it's either independent or republican but I think it's stupid to even register anything other than independent now. I registered 10 years ago(18) so I don't remember. 

[Guest Wings4Life(BANNED)]

I am a conservative who votes mostly Republican.  I don't side 100% on most big issues, but the majority.  

IMO, the only advantage to sitting on the fence as an Independent, is that you can't take blame for anything, because they accomplish nothing.  You basically get to complain without guilt.

[balthazar]

Or; you avoid the stigma & expected views associated with either the major 2. 

[ocnblu]

On 11/11/2016 at 8:38 PM, Chris Hachet said:

grabbing the occasional lunch

WHAT???

[ocnblu]

"Women propelled Trump to victory"

"More college educated women who identify as Democrats voted for Trump than the other way around"

Oh, you know, just two quotes I heard and read from reliable sources since the election.  No big deal.  NPR?

[Guest Wings4Life(BANNED)]

47 minutes ago, ocnblu said:

"Women propelled Trump to victory"

"More college educated women who identify as Democrats voted for Trump than the other way around"

Oh, you know, just two quotes I heard and read from reliable sources since the election.  No big deal.  NPR?

Women have a sixth sense about other women.

That is probably most of it.  They can see right through the Clinton's. Their reign is thankfully over, no matter if she is pardoned for her crimes or not.

[Drew Dowdell]

Comey should be charged under the Hatch Act.  He won't be, but he should be.  At the very least he should be fired.

[surreal1272]

13 hours ago, Wings4Life said:

I am a conservative who votes mostly Republican.  I don't side 100% on most big issues, but the majority.  

IMO, the only advantage to sitting on the fence as an Independent, is that you can't take blame for anything, because they accomplish nothing.  You basically get to complain without guilt.

IMO, what load of $h!. The point of being independent voter is that I'm not beholden to those two parties rigid ideologies. The two party is the fail of all failures in this country. Just one look at the elections over the last fifty years prove that. This "my way or the highway" mentality exbhitied by both parties (and evidenced by some their rabid followers) in this country is what is killing this country but the lemmings keep jumping off the cliff every four years, hoping for a different result when it's really just the same old bull$h! snake oil pitch. 

 

Again, what a crock of $h!. "Can't take the blame for anything"? You have to be kidding me. You clearly have no idea what it's like being an independent voter. Not one clue. 

[Suaviloquent]

ENOUGH!

[Drew Dowdell]

I'm tired of people telling me to calm down and that everything will be fine. The people who have no problem voting for Trump also likely have nothing to fear from Trump and his supporters.  The hate crimes have already started, some less than 50 miles from my house. I fear my right to get married will be taken away, so I'm rushing into getting married this coming week. I've never owned a gun nor had the desire to, but now my friends and myself will all be going out get getting whatever lessons and licenses we need to carry. We're organizing it as an LGBT self protection thing. 20 million people will likely be losing their health insurance.

But sure... if you're an old white straight dude who has company sponsored health insurance.... you'll probably be doing just fine. Enjoy the $50 you might get back on your taxes.  

4 minutes ago, Suaviloquent said:

ENOUGH!

Try telling me again...

[surreal1272]

12 minutes ago, Suaviloquent said:

ENOUGH!

Umm, no. 

[Guest Wings4Life(BANNED)]

I am confused. Can we talk politics in this thread or not?  I am getting mixed signals. I will stop, if that is the way of things.  Short of that, tis the season.

Edited November 14, 2016 by William Maley

[surreal1272]

Well, since I was informed the other day that it is fair game for now, I'm going to continue. That's all I know. 

 

in short, if anyone has a problem with an independent voter, then maybe you should look in the mirror and then crack open a history book. There you will find that the founding fathers, that so many folks on both sides like to reference, detested the idea of a two party system and warned against it vehemently. That is a simple fact so think about that before saying that being an independent voter means never having to take responsibility because it is actually the ultimate responsibility by actually heeding their words instead of being a mindless lemming to one or the other party. This is all just my opinion, mind you, but I feel that it is at least an informed opinion. Now if you'll excuse, I'm going to get ready to watch a little football. 

[Drew Dowdell]

The main reason to not be Registered independent is for the Primaries in closed primary States.

[surreal1272]

 

3 hours ago, Drew Dowdell said:

The main reason to not be Registered independent is for the Primaries in closed primary States.

 

This and then some. It sucks not being able to vote in certain primaries but I can live with it as rarely do any of those candidates resonate with me and I really don't give two $h!s if certain people here don't get that and would rather insult and belittle people who don't believe as they do. It just reflects their true nature about life in general.

Edited November 13, 2016 by William Maley
Part of this comment was deleted for trolling.

[surreal1272]

"John Adams said:

There is nothing which I dread so much as a division of the republic into two great parties, each arranged under its leader, and concerting measures in opposition to each other. This, in my humble apprehension, is to be dreaded as the greatest political evil under our Constitution."

"George Washington agreed, saying in his farewell presidential speech:

 

The alternate domination of one faction over another, sharpened by the spirit of revenge, natural to party dissension, which in different ages and countries has perpetrated the most horrid enormities, is itself a frightful despotism. But this leads at length to a more formal and permanent despotism. The disorders and miseries, which result, gradually incline the minds of men to seek security and repose in the absolute power of an individual; and sooner or later the chief of some prevailing faction, more able or more fortunate than his competitors, turns this disposition to the purposes of his own elevation, on the ruins of Public Liberty

Without looking forward to an extremity of this kind, (which nevertheless ought not to be entirely out of sight,) the common and continual mischiefs of the spirit of party are sufficient to make it the interest and duty of a wise people to discourage and restrain it. 

It serves always to distract the Public Councils, and enfeeble the Public Administration. It agitates the Community with ill-founded jealousies and false alarms; kindles the animosity of one part against another, foments occasionally riot and insurrection. It opens the door to foreign influence and corruption, which find a facilitated access to the government itself through the channels of party passions. Thus the policy and the will of one country are subjected to the policy and will of another.

There is an opinion, that parties in free countries are useful checks upon the administration of the Government, and serve to keep alive the spirit of Liberty. This within certain limits is probably true; and in Governments of a Monarchical cast, Patriotism may look with indulgence, if not with favor, upon the spirit of party. But in those of the popular character, in Governments purely elective, it is a spirit not to be encouraged. From their natural tendency, it is certain there will always be enough of that spirit for every salutary purpose. And, there being constant danger of excess, the effort ought to be, by force of public opinion, to mitigate and assuage it. A fire not to be quenched, it demands a uniform vigilance to prevent its bursting into a flame, lest, instead of warming, it should consume."

Source:http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2011/07/the-founding-fathers-tried-to-warn-us-about-the-threat-from-a-two-party-system.html

 

Go ahead and continue to belittle me because I don't believe as you do. I simply have history on my side.

 

Now, back to football. 

Edited November 13, 2016 by surreal1272

[Guest Wings4Life(BANNED)]

Lions did not play today, so I took the cuda out for a last drive before I cover her up.  I am always a bit humbled by how many people take their camera phones out and aim them at my car.  The car, after all, is the star, as I am merely her humble servant who restored her as best I could to originality. 

 

[ocnblu]

7 hours ago, Drew Dowdell said:

Comey should be charged under the Hatch Act.  He won't be, but he should be.  At the very least he should be fired.

You honestly believe there were that many undecided voters?  I mean Comey's July press conference on the findings should have been enough to sink her.  Collective deafness on the part of the fervent.