Cadillac News: Cadillac CT6 Reveals Itself In New Commerical

[William Maley]

Cadillac has apparently pulled a page of out of the Nissan ad playbook as they have revealed the upcoming 2016 CT6 in a new ad during the Oscars tonight.

The ad - titled The Daring: No Regrets - features a number folks the worlds of fashion, finance, technology, and film whose common beginnings are contrasted with their exceptional accomplishments. Following this, the ad asks "How dare a 112-year-old carmaker reinvent itself," and out rolls the CT6. The vehicle takes the current styling of the CTS and stretches it out length and width-wise.

We'll have more information and clearer pictures when the CT6 debuts at the New York Auto Show in April. The ad is below.

Source: Cadillac

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[Paolino]

Well... I'm not seeing anyting making me say WOW.  But I didn't expect to be wowed honestly.  I'm guessing the "wow" will come with what's under the hood/sheetmetal and on the inside.

[aurora97]

I like everything about this campaign except for calling the car a CT6.  If you want to be "daring" then name the sedan something daring.

[ocnblu]

The commercial is not meant to be a full reveal, it is meant to shock the viewer and incite curiosity, which it does pretty well, imo.

[ZL-1]

Looks very crisp and angular, and a little bit blocky as well, yet overall quite elegant. To be honest it reminded me of the Audi A8 which is my current favorite of the German 3 flagships. For that alone I'm leaning towards liking the CT6 a lot already. Can't wait for the April unveiling!

[G. David Felt]

Interesting, Have to say the commercial hit the nail on the head as I am totally intrigued with seeing more of the car.

 

What is the engine? What does the interior look like, want to see more of the body for details.

 

Over all I want more!

[smk4565]

Johan said in an interview that the 2.0 turbo 4 would be standard and the 3.6 liter twin turbo optional. Basically the same power trains in the CTS. He did say in the future there would be a twin turbo V8. I'd imagine that is their V-series.

Makes you wonder if this is more of an XTS replacement, can't be an S-class fighter with a 4-cylinder. Even the A7 and CLS have boosted sixes and eights, so what is their competitor?

[Z-06]

Hey dumbass, there has been a 4-cylinder S since 2010. Not a good sign for your so called world's best car.

[smk4565]

That 4 cylinder is a diesel with 369 lb-ft of torque though and that was five years ago. I think they pair that engine with a hybrid system now for Euro market cars.

There has been a V12 S-class since 1991. Without 12 cylinders you are a pretender, not a contender. Sorry to Lexus, Jaguar and Maserati.

[Z-06]

That 4 cylinder is a diesel with 369 lb-ft of torque though and that was five years ago. I think they pair that engine with a hybrid system now for Euro market cars.

There has been a V12 S-class since 1991. Without 12 cylinders you are a pretender, not a contender. Sorry to Lexus, Jaguar and Maserati.

 

Moving the goal posts again, aren't we? A 4 is a 4 doesn't matter if it's a diesel or paired with hybrid and doesn't matter if it is Euro only.

 

Got it, S-Class was a pretender before that and didn't you say it was the best vehicle since Roman Empire's existence? So a pretender was your best vehicle?

[yougojay]

Happening to catch some of the Oscars when this commercial came on, I knew it was the new big Caddy - I like it, I think it looks sharp. If they make one in a RWD Big Block V8 Coupe, I'm liking it even more...

[G. David Felt]

I take mine in coupe V edition with the supercharge V8. A superior engine to what MB puts out.

[hyperv6]

Well some will be happy and some will be disappointed with this car when it arrives. It is a next step evolution of the styling and technology but will not be a full revolution that some expect but will not get.

 

This will be a very good car but we must remember this is not part of the new Cadillac since it was mostly done by the time GM decided to go all in and invest in Cadillac what it needs. This is why we have talk now that this is not the flagship and there will be a CT 7-8-9.

 

What we will find here is a very capable car that will have refined styling on the same theme but will be much lighter than most expect. The suspension tuning will be first class and the interior will be unlike you have ever seen in a GM car. It will see advancements not seen in quality and technology.

 

The real treat will be the TT V8 when it arrives later.

 

Now this car will help hold the segment till GM gets to the cars that will be over it. These will see really big investment and we will get much greater return in the product that will be produced. That one will be the revolutionary car. But because work has just started it will be 2020 before we see it or the  coupe.

 

The key to this car needs to be refinement. They need to get the little things right. While Cue is not a bad system it is a difficult system to grasp for many people in less than 5 mins. If they work to make system interphase easier and other small details that needed addressed on the CTS and ATS they should have a car here that can go toe to toe.

 

Now with that said the next cars to come not only need to go toe to toe but they need to clearly be the better car. GM has now gotten into the game and now they must dominate the segments. You do that and remove any question that you should be there to anyone critic or friend.

 

This is not the Dare car yet.

 

In the mean time the coming SUV's and CUV will make Cadillac even more profitable. This segment makes up 12% of car segment sales but makes 50% of the profit. That is why GM finally has gone in. These are the pick ups of the car segment but at a much lower volume.

 

This is also why Ford saved Lincoln when it was on the block. Now their problem has been no one there has fully committed to make them more than a high volume discount luxury car.

 

So far the CT6 is about what I expected a good solid step forward into the future to even better things yet to come.

Edited February 28, 2015 by hyperv6

[smk4565]

The real treat will be the TT V8 when it arrives later.

 

 

This is not the Dare car yet.

Or if you want a TT V8, you could buy a 5-series, 6-series, 7-series, E-class, CLS, S-class, S7, S8, or Panamera right now.

 

I "dare" Cadillac to keep this Dare campaign going until 2019 when the CT7 or CT8 arrives.  By then there will be a new slogan, and they will have some new plan.   Eventually one of these plans has to work, Cadillac doesn't really have infinite tries here.  I get that Rome wasn't built in a day, and I don't think Cadillac will even end up as poor off as Lincoln, but how long will GM pour money in to a brand that doesn't get sales.  Eventually the bean counters may force a Lincoln strategy where they just gloss up Chevy's and sell stuff like the Escalade and a Cadillac Equinox because those are easy and high margin.

[balthazar]

Didn't Cadillac sell 208,xxx vehicles in 2014? That's not worthy of turning the factory lights on?

 

5, 6, & 7 series are old, old, old and lead at nothing. Frankly, stoic & dated design is not pulling any buyers into the showroom there, either- 5 sells OK but the 6/7 is finding it rough going. With the usual turn-over @ BMW, having something new to offer the demographic is sound business. Besides smk, what would YOU propose, a triple-turbo V8?

This is the same spitball thrown against the Cadillac wall time & time again; if they don't sell a TTV8, Cadillac is "not competing", if they do, it's "why bother, other cars do". Fascinating how I never read this anywhere RE -say- a Jaguar SUV. So tiresome.

[smk4565]

The old 5-series still outsells the new Lexus GS and CTS.  The 7-series is bland and bloated, and of course it has terrible sales, it is up against the best car in the world.   BMW does make a triple turbo diesel inline six in Europe, but of course, they don't sell it here.  Maybe they should to add some spice to the 5 and 7 series cars.

 

Jaguar makes loads of SUVs, they are called the Land Rover.  That is why I always thought a Jaguar SUV was stupid, it is one company, and you wouldn't make a Land Rover 2-seat roadster, so why make a Jaguar SUV. 

[balthazar]

• Jaguar doesn't make Land Rovers, Land Rover does. These are supposed to be separate brands- who cares what other brands the corporation has, except the BoD office & the bean counters? This is like saying mercedes shouldn't build the e-class and the CLS since they share power trains & platforms ; why not (profit/losses excepted)?

 

• No one cares about sales volumes except corporate bean counters.

 

• You didn't answer my question about your suggestion for something akin to but different than a TTV8.

[hyperv6]

 

The real treat will be the TT V8 when it arrives later.

 

 

This is not the Dare car yet.

Or if you want a TT V8, you could buy a 5-series, 6-series, 7-series, E-class, CLS, S-class, S7, S8, or Panamera right now.

 

I "dare" Cadillac to keep this Dare campaign going until 2019 when the CT7 or CT8 arrives.  By then there will be a new slogan, and they will have some new plan.   Eventually one of these plans has to work, Cadillac doesn't really have infinite tries here.  I get that Rome wasn't built in a day, and I don't think Cadillac will even end up as poor off as Lincoln, but how long will GM pour money in to a brand that doesn't get sales.  Eventually the bean counters may force a Lincoln strategy where they just gloss up Chevy's and sell stuff like the Escalade and a Cadillac Equinox because those are easy and high margin.

 

 

You have to realize that the key here is not total sales but profits.Cadillac is no longer a volume K mart luxury brand and does not need high volumes to survive.

What they need to do is build cars that have high enough profit margins that will make money.

 

How many years did Cadillac out sold volume wise in this country Benz and BMW but it did not run them off and they continued to build and  make money in this market.

 

The is only one future for Cadillac as there is little money in a cheap luxury car unless you move a lot of cars and that is difficult. Lincoln did it with Fleet sales of the Town Car and once those sales dropped they and floundered since with near death.

 

This is a plan you just have to give them the time to do what needs done and even if they are still number three in sales you need to look at the bottom line and if they are making a profit. I think you will find they will be. This is not one of those races where you have to have the biggest volume to still win in this segment.

 

I expect these to be the most profitable cars at GM for years to come and they will not get axed as if they are bringing more dollars per unit they will get what they need.

 

As for marketing the Dare is only the start. Their plan is like a play and this is act one. This is to challenge people to look at Cadillac and understand what their new mission is. In the past their message was just a mottled mix of a geek in a ATS, Dancing Robots and out running a mass of Arrows. Not really any true message or coherent image being displayed.

 

Now that they have Dared the public watch for them to focus on what they are doing with their models. We will see like with Benz and BMW a focus on not just performance but safety, luxury, technology, styling, image and sex.

 

The building of an image of the product and what it will do for the customer takers work to build and you have to earn the trust of the public.

 

This is why we have seen resistance to discounting the present cars as do you want to show up at the club in the car that is Discount Luxury? That would be like buying your suit at K mart. While some see you as thrifty other will see it as a sign of failure if you do not live large.

 

There is a lot of work to do and lots of things to accomplish yet. No matter where Cadillac ranks in sales by 2020-2025 the real goal is profits and if they are making money that is all that should be expected. This is the most profitable segment in the auto class and it gives you the option of just making money as a priority and if you take a sales lead all the better. On the other hand high volume low profit segments like Chevy have to move product to make the profit and they have no options here. They have to sell to make any money.

 

Also you do not want to over sell true luxury anyways as if you do you will end up with your product in places that will damage it's image. In this class you want to be seen at Ruth Chis not White Castle or Habit.

[smk4565]

But to make these big profits you need high prices.  The Escalade is where Cadillac's profit comes from because it has high price, and is based off an existing Chevy, and the Tahoe itself is a high margin vehicle.   I wonder if the ATS and CTS run on big margins, because they don't really command top of segment pricing, and their global volume isn't that high so they don't have the economies of scale that the Germans have.

[balthazar]

But they have a higher transaction price than a German (BMW), and it's growing at a faster rate. And unlike the Germans, Cadillac does not have a gun to its head to compete for Camry buyers, ala the CLA/ sub-3-series cars. The Germans only WISH they were in a similar position where cheap FWD appliances weren't necessary.

 

BTW- the Escalade is not "based on an existing Tahoe"; these vehicles are developed in the same program @ the same time, they are specific variants off of an engineering/design program. One is not an altered version of the other.

Edited February 28, 2015 by balthazar

[Drew Dowdell]

The Tahoe and Escalade have very few shared parts.   Frame, transmission, some window glass, some wires under the dash, airbag actuators.   Not even the rear view mirror is shared anymore.   The Escalade uses better (freer rolling) wheel bearings. 

 

Oh yeah... and transaction prices on the Escalade are up... way up.... They've jumped $15k - $20k per unit. ..... and Cadillac can't build them fast enough.

 

 

Back to the CT6, from this short glimpse...  Regardless of the hardware, it doesn't look large enough to go up against the S-Class. It looks more CLS sized.   Not that it is a bad thing for Cadillac to play in that ballfield,  I was just expecting something more S-Class in size. 

[smk4565]

I thought I read once that the length was 200 inches, so the CT6 could be slightly smaller than the XTS.  But the CT6 doesn't have 4-door coupe styling, so it isn't really an A7 or CLS competitor.  Probably this will be sized like the standard LS460 or short wheel base Jaguar XJ.  I am curious what they position this car against.

 

It is believed it will have a new 3.0 liter twin turbo V6, which will lead to GM's new line of V6s so I'd imagine the 3.6 will start getting phased out at the end of the decade.

[hyperv6]

The new car will have the new 3.0 TT and a V8 TT. Not sure if the 3.6 will be the base engine or not yet.

 

The 3.6 is on the way out and will be around a few more years but the end is coming. The new V6 family is lighter and more refined. They will also get a little better MPG and the TT version will have better economy and the same of better power.

[Drew Dowdell]

There is no such thing as a 4-door coupe, thus neither the A7 nor the CLS have it either.  The A7 is a 4-door A6 hatchback and the CLS is just a 4-door E-Class Sedan fastback or a 2-Door E-class hardtop coupe.

 

 

If there is such a thing as a 4-door coupe, then Oldsmobile beat Mercedes to the idea by a decade.

The new car will have the new 3.0 TT and a V8 TT. Not sure if the 3.6 will be the base engine or not yet.

 

The 3.6 is on the way out and will be around a few more years but the end is coming. The new V6 family is lighter and more refined. They will also get a little better MPG and the TT version will have better economy and the same of better power.

 

Pardon?  There is a new advanced version of it right around the corner.

[balthazar]

There's only a single example of a 4-dr coupe, but mercedes and audi don't make it. Actually, it's only found in the coach built segment. 

[hyperv6]

I know there is a new version  but I do not expect it to have a super long life as more focus will be placed on the 3.0 liter. If you take note most MFG have taken to specific size engines as they give the best in performance, economy and refinement. The 3.0 TT  is that engine just as so many have taken to the 4.0 TT and the 2.0 T. these are the engines I expect that will be in place once GM goes to Cadillac specific engines.

 

GM will continue the 3.6 for more than anything the Colorado and Canyon and will add more refinement as they are not really close to class leading anymore and are very old engines. Not bad engines but not what they need to be any  longer.

 

As for the 4 door coupes it is a styling tend and that is what they call them. The contradiction of terms is there but it really is all about the coupe like styling of the roof line and not the door count. Hence the 4 door coupe. You can argue the point all you like but that is what the MFG call it. All they are trying to do is give the coupe like styling that people love with the versatility of the sedan people expect. It will never fully replace the normal sedan as many do not like the low roof line.

 

So the term 4 door coupe is really a hybrid of styling that has a name for marketing. Nothing more and nothing less. Just a way to try to get people into cars they normally would not buy as they have poor rear seat access while giving them a styling look they like.

[Drew Dowdell]

I know there is a new version  but I do not expect it to have a super long life as more focus will be placed on the 3.0 liter. If you take note most MFG have taken to specific size engines as they give the best in performance, economy and refinement. The 3.0 TT  is that engine just as so many have taken to the 4.0 TT and the 2.0 T. these are the engines I expect that will be in place once GM goes to Cadillac specific engines.

 

GM will continue the 3.6 for more than anything the Colorado and Canyon and will add more refinement as they are not really close to class leading anymore and are very old engines. Not bad engines but not what they need to be any  longer.

 

As for the 4 door coupes it is a styling tend and that is what they call them. The contradiction of terms is there but it really is all about the coupe like styling of the roof line and not the door count. Hence the 4 door coupe. You can argue the point all you like but that is what the MFG call it. All they are trying to do is give the coupe like styling that people love with the versatility of the sedan people expect. It will never fully replace the normal sedan as many do not like the low roof line.

 

So the term 4 door coupe is really a hybrid of styling that has a name for marketing. Nothing more and nothing less. Just a way to try to get people into cars they normally would not buy as they have poor rear seat access while giving them a styling look they like.

 

If the 3.6 goes away, I much rather see the Colorado and Canyon go to the 4.3.  I don't see an Impala getting a 3.0TT in any trim outside of an SS variant.  Twin-turbo V6 engines, as fun as they are, are not going to be the standard mainstream family car engine any time soon.   I doubt even the LaCrosse would see it. 

 

If we're going to accept the premise that a 4-door fastback is a 4-door coupe, then yes, Oldsmobile did beat Mercedes there by 10 years.

[balthazar]

Which is this specific Olds you're referencing, DD?

Edited February 28, 2015 by balthazar

[Drew Dowdell]

Which is this specific Olds you're referencing, DD?

 

 

 

 

[G. David Felt]

GM has Beat MB to pretty much everything at one time or another. They squandered away the chance to go the distance but has since come back around to where if done right they can in the near future surpass MB I believe.

[smk4565]

The Aurora was more sedan, although both generations were good looking cars.

 

That CLS looks better with age, that was 10 years ago and it still looks better than that awful 6-series Gran Coupe thing.

[Drew Dowdell]

I dont get how two cars with essentially the same silhouette can be two different things, but I guess that's those wandering goal posts..

[balthazar]

CLS has a notably higher beltline, and it appears to have a slightly lower roofline, giving obviously shorter side glass. This is where hopeful marketers are focusing on to give a boost to yet another sedan by trying to make the '4-dr coupe' moniker stick.

 

There's a difference in it vs. the Aurora, but it's in no way a new body designation. Olds could use a 2" drop, also.

 

I LIKE the CLS profile, design-wise. I have always said it should have been the s-class because it was far more fresh than the ultra-conservative S, but the livery market would never take to it; the s-class leans very heavily on that for fleet sales. 

 

CLS is still a 4-dr sedan, nothing more.

[hyperv6]

 

Which is this specific Olds you're referencing, DD?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Sorry the roof it too high.

 

Unless you can hit your head on the door frame getting in the back and it touching the rear window it does not count. LOL!

 

The truth is it is all about the lower roof line and styling. Just look at the green house and you will see what it takes to use the term 4 door coupe. It is just a styling trend and some people buy in and some stick to the traditional car because they do not want to lose the head room.

Edited March 1, 2015 by hyperv6

[Drew Dowdell]

 

 

Which is this specific Olds you're referencing, DD?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Sorry the roof it too high.

 

Unless you can hit your head on the door frame getting in the back and it touching the rear window it does not count. LOL!

 

 

It's not my fault Oldsmobile did it better than Mercedes.

[hyperv6]

 

I know there is a new version  but I do not expect it to have a super long life as more focus will be placed on the 3.0 liter. If you take note most MFG have taken to specific size engines as they give the best in performance, economy and refinement. The 3.0 TT  is that engine just as so many have taken to the 4.0 TT and the 2.0 T. these are the engines I expect that will be in place once GM goes to Cadillac specific engines.

 

GM will continue the 3.6 for more than anything the Colorado and Canyon and will add more refinement as they are not really close to class leading anymore and are very old engines. Not bad engines but not what they need to be any  longer.

 

As for the 4 door coupes it is a styling tend and that is what they call them. The contradiction of terms is there but it really is all about the coupe like styling of the roof line and not the door count. Hence the 4 door coupe. You can argue the point all you like but that is what the MFG call it. All they are trying to do is give the coupe like styling that people love with the versatility of the sedan people expect. It will never fully replace the normal sedan as many do not like the low roof line.

 

So the term 4 door coupe is really a hybrid of styling that has a name for marketing. Nothing more and nothing less. Just a way to try to get people into cars they normally would not buy as they have poor rear seat access while giving them a styling look they like.

 

If the 3.6 goes away, I much rather see the Colorado and Canyon go to the 4.3.  I don't see an Impala getting a 3.0TT in any trim outside of an SS variant.  Twin-turbo V6 engines, as fun as they are, are not going to be the standard mainstream family car engine any time soon.   I doubt even the LaCrosse would see it. 

 

If we're going to accept the premise that a 4-door fastback is a 4-door coupe, then yes, Oldsmobile did beat Mercedes there by 10 years.

 

 

The 4.3 is not going into the mid size trucks or they would have already done it. You will see a term with the 3.6 as it is and then the revamped one but in time I see them going smaller with a turbo and non turbo versions of a 3.0. I expect the power to be the same as we have now with more torque and a little more MPG. 

 

Turbo engines will be in or offered in just about ever model out there at some point as the market is going to smaller size and turbo engines to gain MPG. We are just about there now. Who would have ever expected the Malibu Regal and other models to be only 4 cylinder with turbo options.

 

Unless GM can learn to sell a lot more mini cars the larger ones will have to find MPG somewhere as they are not even close to the future regulations.

 

the fact is Turbo chargers will be very common going into the future and not just on performance models or up scale models.

[Drew Dowdell]

 

 

I know there is a new version  but I do not expect it to have a super long life as more focus will be placed on the 3.0 liter. If you take note most MFG have taken to specific size engines as they give the best in performance, economy and refinement. The 3.0 TT  is that engine just as so many have taken to the 4.0 TT and the 2.0 T. these are the engines I expect that will be in place once GM goes to Cadillac specific engines.

 

GM will continue the 3.6 for more than anything the Colorado and Canyon and will add more refinement as they are not really close to class leading anymore and are very old engines. Not bad engines but not what they need to be any  longer.

 

As for the 4 door coupes it is a styling tend and that is what they call them. The contradiction of terms is there but it really is all about the coupe like styling of the roof line and not the door count. Hence the 4 door coupe. You can argue the point all you like but that is what the MFG call it. All they are trying to do is give the coupe like styling that people love with the versatility of the sedan people expect. It will never fully replace the normal sedan as many do not like the low roof line.

 

So the term 4 door coupe is really a hybrid of styling that has a name for marketing. Nothing more and nothing less. Just a way to try to get people into cars they normally would not buy as they have poor rear seat access while giving them a styling look they like.

 

If the 3.6 goes away, I much rather see the Colorado and Canyon go to the 4.3.  I don't see an Impala getting a 3.0TT in any trim outside of an SS variant.  Twin-turbo V6 engines, as fun as they are, are not going to be the standard mainstream family car engine any time soon.   I doubt even the LaCrosse would see it. 

 

If we're going to accept the premise that a 4-door fastback is a 4-door coupe, then yes, Oldsmobile did beat Mercedes there by 10 years.

 

 

The 4.3 is not going into the mid size trucks or they would have already done it. You will see a term with the 3.6 as it is and then the revamped one but in time I see them going smaller with a turbo and non turbo versions of a 3.0. I expect the power to be the same as we have now with more torque and a little more MPG. 

 

Turbo engines will be in or offered in just about ever model out there at some point as the market is going to smaller size and turbo engines to gain MPG. We are just about there now. Who would have ever expected the Malibu Regal and other models to be only 4 cylinder with turbo options.

 

Unless GM can learn to sell a lot more mini cars the larger ones will have to find MPG somewhere as they are not even close to the future regulations.

 

the fact is Turbo chargers will be very common going into the future and not just on performance models or up scale models.

 

 

I don't doubt that turbo charged engines are going to be more and more prevalent. I'm just saying that a 3.0TT is not going to be the engine to replace the current 3.6.   I think we'd see a Turbo-4 take up that role.  Probably something like a 2.3T similar to what Ford is doing.

[hyperv6]

 

 

 

I know there is a new version  but I do not expect it to have a super long life as more focus will be placed on the 3.0 liter. If you take note most MFG have taken to specific size engines as they give the best in performance, economy and refinement. The 3.0 TT  is that engine just as so many have taken to the 4.0 TT and the 2.0 T. these are the engines I expect that will be in place once GM goes to Cadillac specific engines.

 

GM will continue the 3.6 for more than anything the Colorado and Canyon and will add more refinement as they are not really close to class leading anymore and are very old engines. Not bad engines but not what they need to be any  longer.

 

As for the 4 door coupes it is a styling tend and that is what they call them. The contradiction of terms is there but it really is all about the coupe like styling of the roof line and not the door count. Hence the 4 door coupe. You can argue the point all you like but that is what the MFG call it. All they are trying to do is give the coupe like styling that people love with the versatility of the sedan people expect. It will never fully replace the normal sedan as many do not like the low roof line.

 

So the term 4 door coupe is really a hybrid of styling that has a name for marketing. Nothing more and nothing less. Just a way to try to get people into cars they normally would not buy as they have poor rear seat access while giving them a styling look they like.

 

If the 3.6 goes away, I much rather see the Colorado and Canyon go to the 4.3.  I don't see an Impala getting a 3.0TT in any trim outside of an SS variant.  Twin-turbo V6 engines, as fun as they are, are not going to be the standard mainstream family car engine any time soon.   I doubt even the LaCrosse would see it. 

 

If we're going to accept the premise that a 4-door fastback is a 4-door coupe, then yes, Oldsmobile did beat Mercedes there by 10 years.

 

 

The 4.3 is not going into the mid size trucks or they would have already done it. You will see a term with the 3.6 as it is and then the revamped one but in time I see them going smaller with a turbo and non turbo versions of a 3.0. I expect the power to be the same as we have now with more torque and a little more MPG. 

 

Turbo engines will be in or offered in just about ever model out there at some point as the market is going to smaller size and turbo engines to gain MPG. We are just about there now. Who would have ever expected the Malibu Regal and other models to be only 4 cylinder with turbo options.

 

Unless GM can learn to sell a lot more mini cars the larger ones will have to find MPG somewhere as they are not even close to the future regulations.

 

the fact is Turbo chargers will be very common going into the future and not just on performance models or up scale models.

 

 

I don't doubt that turbo charged engines are going to be more and more prevalent. I'm just saying that a 3.0TT is not going to be the engine to replace the current 3.6.   I think we'd see a Turbo-4 take up that role.  Probably something like a 2.3T similar to what Ford is doing.

 

 

A turbo 4 might at some point but I am thinking more of a non Turbo 3.0 that has better economy but as much power as the present 3.0. I do not expect more power just more economy with vehicles like this.

 

As for the Turbo 4 I would have to see a weight reduction before I would recommend that one. I have a 300 HP Turbo in a 3200 pound vehicle and it is fine economy wise and power wise but in a vehicle as heavy as the Colorado I could see no real advantage to MPG here.

 

Lets put it this way. I love my 2.0 Turbo but I would not love it near as much in my GMC Terrain. I would wager while it has more power and torque the MPG would not be much better than the V6 is now and the performance would be similar. 

 

Mass is a killer in truck MPG and Ford just proved it with their new truck. They just got their weight to just below the others and lost a ton of weight but they still have not gained much in MPG.

That is why I expect the half ton class to fundamentally change in the future.

Now this is what I am expecting to see and this is my own wild ass theory so  keep that in mind. But much of this is bases on things I have heard people say and rumors about future production in different segments and present moves being made today. To me it is just something to think about and keep in mind when you see some of this stuff going on.

 

I have a feeling the smaller trucks like the Colorado and Canyon will be what many makers will go in trying to get people to move in one of two ways from the Half Ton Truck.  They will try to get many to move to this smaller class that is nearly capable, easier to drive and will do about anything they need with smaller engines and less weight.  Now for those who still need a full size truck or a V8 the 3/4 ton will still be available and will serve as the full size truck to those who really have to have one or need one.

 

The Half Ton has hard CAFE coming up and it may even get worse by the time it arrives. The automakers have hinted that by 2018 they may try a move to ask the government to back off but it is getting harder to even get conservatives to back these plans anymore.

So with that said the only way to get more MPG is size and mass hence the smaller trucks ands smaller engines.

 

Now the 3/4 ton trucks are not subjected to the same regulations at this point so we may still have a good chance to keep the larger trucks in play but the problem will be at a price. These trucks will be offered but the prices will continue to go up if they have a V8 as they will not sell in the volume as the half tons have sold.

 

You may note of late how much GM has been putting into the 3/4 ton trucks of late as for so long these were the forgotten work trucks. Today High Country and Denali editions flourish and we are seeing options on them that we would never have seen even 5 years ago.

 

I also think we may see a smaller truck yet under the Colorado. I hope and pray they do not do a FWD but that may be part of the deal? I just have the feeling a smaller econo like hauler may reappear at some point as there is a segment that still longs for a S10 like truck.

 

GM has learned with the SUV segment that the CUV is just as popular and very profitable as it is sold along side the larger brothers. The Truck segment could easily be broken down in class as it no longer is one size fit all anymore and they really need it to be that way to preserve the segment going forward.

At one time I saw where a GM engineer spoke on the large half ton SUV and speculated the day was not far off it could be laid to rest just because of the growth of the CUV and the coming regulations. He said it was not the plan but it was a consideration that could come about if need be. That was a coupe years ago and would not happen till after 2018 at some point.

 

That is just my WAG and to be honest the companies may not have it all sorted out internally either at this point so a lot could happen that they do not even plan on yet in 10 years. They do know their most profitable segment is under the gun and they need to find a way to displace it with products that will fill  the needs or get the MPG they need going forward.

Edited March 1, 2015 by hyperv6

[hyperv6]

 

 

 

Which is this specific Olds you're referencing, DD?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Sorry the roof it too high.

 

Unless you can hit your head on the door frame getting in the back and it touching the rear window it does not count. LOL!

 

 

It's not my fault Oldsmobile did it better than Mercedes.

 

 

 

Sorry if you don't hit your head getting in the back seat it is not a 4 door coupe. Been there done that in both cars and there was no issue getting into the  Olds so it  is just a regular sedan styling.

 

The car has to have a ergonomic flaw to have 4 door coupe styling.  Just part of the deal as you have to sacrifice something for the styling. That is what Coupe means anymore. It could be defined as what ergonomic did you give up?

[Drew Dowdell]

4-door-coupe = marketing-fluff

[ehaase]

AH-HA said on another board that the standard engine in the CT6 will be the 2 liter turbo.

[ZL-1]

AH-HA said on another board that the standard engine in the CT6 will be the 2 liter turbo.

He did. But that engine is more likely to be sold in China only.

[hyperv6]

Yes I do not expect it here. But never say never. If they go to Europe to it could be a player there.

[G. David Felt]

2 liter turbo is a deal breaker for me unless they are using it as a generator for a VOLT style Power Train.

[smk4565]

The 3.0 TT V6 that is all new is really the key engine for this car, because that will be the volume engine.  The V6 will have to have the power, fuel economy, and NVH refinement to beat the Europeans or the Korean V8s if this car gets compared to the Equus/K900 at all.  Execution on the new V6 is important.  They obviously need a V8 and a diesel, but those will probably be lower volume.

[hyperv6]

2 liter turbo is a deal breaker for me unless they are using it as a generator for a VOLT style Power Train.

 

I really expect at some point the base of the CT6 to be used in some kind of a Tesla competitor. Not sure if it will be a Voltec like drive line or go all out like the Bolt and do just plug in..  With the light weight of the Omega it is prime to do this kind of a car. GM has the electric drive systems already and the car is large enough to hold a big battery pack and Tesla proved people will pay for a car like this already. It will not be a big volume car like the gas but it would be a segment with slow but steady growth.

 

What ever GM has it will appear like the Bolt did at Detroit and you won't see it coming.

[Cory Wolfe]

So far, I like what I see, but its not surprising given that they haven't really had a model that wasn't good looking.

 

With that said, I'm ready to be disappointed. It seems like it may be just a little too conventional... like a longer, matured CTS. Maybe its intentional, given that the new name will likely be confused with that car. I can see dealers now... "Yes, Sir, here we have our stretched CTS, thats what the six stands for." It's bound to happen, and depending on what details we're missing out on with these blurry screenshots, its not likely to wow. That's not to say it won't do so in other areas such as intelligent engineering or interior trimmings. I'm still eager to see full reveal to see how it manages to stand up as Cadillac's closest thing to flagship sedan since the 'ye olde' Fleetwood. Cadillac really has nothing to lose at this point, and things can only go up from here. 

 

Now, regarding all this gibberish about coupes. Yes, the term is stupid, and yes, the designs are wonderful. Also, I can see Drew's point, especially if you consider it in terms and 1990's design language. Sedans were rather upright, and even the coupes had fairly low beltlines, thus you will notice a difference comparing it to a CLS. Taking that into consideration, it is still not quite as radical, with a more standard look. Definitely dramatic for its time either way.

 

Finally, I must say, I enjoy when someone goes out and makes their biases more obvious than usual with endless double-standards. 

[smk4565]

I would venture to guess 2 out of 3 people that walk into a Cadillac dealership will be confused by CTS and CT6 and not understand the difference.  They will think it is a stretched CTS or a CTS with a V6 or something.

 

Their naming scheme should have been ATS -->LaSalle (coupe/convertible), CTS -->Seville (Seville coupe), XTS --> Calais, Eldorado would be their 6-series competitor and grand touring coupe (could do a 4 door coupe Eldo even) and Fleetwood for their large sedan.

[G. David Felt]

I would venture to guess 2 out of 3 people that walk into a Cadillac dealership will be confused by CTS and CT6 and not understand the difference.  They will think it is a stretched CTS or a CTS with a V6 or something.

 

Their naming scheme should have been ATS -->LaSalle (coupe/convertible), CTS -->Seville (Seville coupe), XTS --> Calais, Eldorado would be their 6-series competitor and grand touring coupe (could do a 4 door coupe Eldo even) and Fleetwood for their large sedan.

SMK you will not get any disagreement from many of us here who do not like the CT naming system and wish they had gone back to their heritage names as a superior way to catalog their auto class.

 

Escalade is a perfect example of how it has a brand name and Cadillac will be stupid in the future if they kill this name plate to go with the stupid CUV names.

[balthazar]

I don't think anyone walking into a Cadillac dealership will be any more confused with the 'quarter-size-increments' BMW X1, X3, X5 or 1,2,3,4,5, or the 68 different alpha-numeric MB models available. Esp with such gaffes as putting the nose of a $30K econo-appliance onto your flagship coupe. There is mass homogenization running the auto stylistic world these days...