GMC News: 2013 GMC Terrain Denali To Start At $34,525*

[William Maley]

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William Maley

Editor/Reporter - CheersandGears.com

June 12, 2012

GMC has announced pricing for the newest member of the Denali family, the Terrain. For $34,525 (excluding a $825 destination charge), you get a 2.4L inline-four, FWD, GMC's Intellilink infotainment system, a programmable power liftgate, an eight-way power driver's seat, dual-flow dampers for the front suspension, and eighteen-inch wheels.

If you want a bit more power, a 3,6L DI V6 producing 301 HP will be available for an extra $1,500. The price includes nineteen-inch wheels taking the place of the eighteens.

All-wheel-drive will be available for both powertrains for an additional $1,750.

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2013 GMC Terrain Denali Priced from $35,350

Suite of advanced safety and technology features standard on luxury small SUV

DETROIT – GMC today announced pricing for the Terrain Denali, a luxury small SUV that goes on sale in the third quarter of this year. With the longest list of advanced safety features ever for a GMC, a fuel-efficient 2.4L I-4 and front-wheel drive, the Terrain Denali will cost $35,350, including an $825 destination charge.

Optional all-wheel drive raises the base price to $37,100, while a V-6 can be paired with either drivetrain for an additional $1,500. New for 2013, Terrain’s 3.6L V-6 uses direct injection and continuously variable valve timing to produce a class-leading 301 horsepower, as well as improved torque for stronger passing and towing performance. The cost of the V-6 also includes an upgrade from 18- to 19-inch chrome-clad wheels.

Terrain Denali’s standard safety systems include forward collision alert and lane departure warning, as well as Denali-exclusive side blind zone and rear cross traffic alert.

Forward collision alert and lane departure warning use the industry’s first single-camera crash-avoidance system to visually and audibly warn drivers when a collision is imminent or the vehicle crosses a lane marker without a turn signal engaged.

Side blind zone and rear cross traffic alert help avoid collisions by using radar to watch spots the driver may not be able to see – and provide visible and audible warnings. When another vehicle is in the Terrain’s blind zone, a yellow icon is illuminated on either side view mirror. Rear cross traffic alert displays warnings on the in-cabin connectivity screen, which also displays footage from Terrain’s standard rear view camera.

Along with unique exterior and interior styling, the Denali model’s standard features include luxuries not offered on any other Terrain model, including an eight-way power front passenger seat and the added comfort of dual-flow dampers for the front suspension.

Other standard technology and convenience features include Intellilink, GMC’s voice-controlled infotainment system with Bluetooth smartphone integration and apps like Pandora and Stitcher Smart Radio, a programmable power lift gate, and Homelink integrated garage door opener controls.

With so many standard features, Terrain Denali’s options list is short. A trailering package, the aforementioned 3.6L V-6, Color Touch Navigation, and organization accessories like a rear cargo cover, a cargo convenience net and luggage crossbars are available at additional cost.

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[Drew Dowdell]

$34k and you don't even get the V6? eh... I'm not smelling a winner here.

[ocnblu]

Too much money, not enough beef.

[avant1963]

It's 4 grand more than my loaded (with V-6) SLT-2 (only missing AWD, the Nav and TV screens). 5 and half more with the V-6. Don't see the value for a diff grille, tailights and Denali script.

[hyperv6]

I too as a owner of a 2012 SLT2 2WD I see no value in this.

I to be honest do not have any issue not having the higher HP engine. The 3.0 does the job and while I would have liked to have a 3.6 I really have no regrett.

For this price I would just move up to the SRX. There is a dealer here offering well optioned SRX's new for $32,000.

GMC needs to offer real hardware for that kind of money and make the V6, Entertainm,entertainment system and AWD standard. Lighted rockers and a few extra chome items mean little to me. To be honest I could order the grill and tailights at cost and get the same effect. Even the wheels are hardly different from what I have now with the present 19".

This is one the dealers will get and have to discount so sell. Look for rebates.

The only Denali that was worth the extra money I have driven was the original Serria Pick up with AWD, 6.0 and electric sunroof with the high grade leather interior. But then that one was over $60K.

GMC would have done better to replace the SLT2 with the Denali.

Edited June 12, 2012 by hyperv6

[ocnblu]

See now, the base model is so nice it renders the Denali redundant. Shoot, I'd happily take an SLE-1 AWD 3.6 if I were looking for a street-only CUV.

[G. David Felt]

As I have stated in the past this was the WRONG Dilution of the Denali brand.

$37,775 for a Denali Terrain with AWD and V6. WAY TOO MUCH!

If they wanted something special in this small package, it would have been better to do a Black Ice Edition. Metallic All Black Monochromatic paint job with Black Chrome 19" wheels and fully loaded inside. Blacked out windows. This would be worthy of a $35K AWD small CUV.

This is NOT the right way to go, FAILURE for GMC! Very sad. Only Denali worth it was the FULL Size Yukon XL and the Sierra trucks.

[hyperv6]

I expect the sticker on the fully loaded Denali will break the $40,000 level. Might get to $42K with the entertainment system. The SLT2 with all the toys are stickered a $38K now.

Note there are a few high dollar options like AWD, V6 and entertaiment system that can add to the price fast. these three alone can add Approx $5,000 alone.

The best value is the SLE model 2WD. they can be had for near $20,000 and while may not have all the toys they are well optioned.

Edited June 12, 2012 by hyperv6

[GMTruckGuy74]

You have to remember that many here are not the target market for Denali models. Trust me, these things will sell, and I guarantee that you'll see a lot of 4cyl, FWD Denali models on the road too. I am not interested in this particular model myself, as I would rather have a loaded SLT-2 instead. But I agree with hyperV6 that the Denali trim should have replaced the SLT-2 trim and the SLT-1 could have gained the SLT-2's extra options (standard chrome trim, etc and been called just SLT). Maybe that will happen if more people go with the Denali over the SLT-2 trim - that's what happened to the Acadia (SLT-2 was dropped in favor of the Denali trim, per my salesman at my GMC dealership).

I still think for GMC to keep the Terrain relevant and in customer's minds they should do limited edition trims, such as what dfelt wants. I'd really be interested in one if they called it the All Terrain model and gave it a modest lift with AWD standard - a'la Jeep Patriot. By doing this they offer a niche vehicle that really doesn't cost more to do and gain sales in the process. Makes complete business sense.

[ocnblu]

But then I remember a freakin' FORD ESCAPE can be optioned up into the $38k range...

[riviera74]

Has the Denali brand ever been value for the dollar upgrades? Sounds like GMC is telling every Denali buyer to pay $5000 more for a higher trim level that probably cost an extra $500 at the factory. Oh well.

[ocnblu]

Any given Denali package is prolly 95% profit with economies of scale factored in. They're blingy, imo, and do not add functional value since the demise of 4WS on the early Denali pickups.

[G. David Felt]

You have to remember that many here are not the target market for Denali models. Trust me, these things will sell, and I guarantee that you'll see a lot of 4cyl, FWD Denali models on the road too. I am not interested in this particular model myself, as I would rather have a loaded SLT-2 instead. But I agree with hyperV6 that the Denali trim should have replaced the SLT-2 trim and the SLT-1 could have gained the SLT-2's extra options (standard chrome trim, etc and been called just SLT). Maybe that will happen if more people go with the Denali over the SLT-2 trim - that's what happened to the Acadia (SLT-2 was dropped in favor of the Denali trim, per my salesman at my GMC dealership).

I still think for GMC to keep the Terrain relevant and in customer's minds they should do limited edition trims, such as what dfelt wants. I'd really be interested in one if they called it the All Terrain model and gave it a modest lift with AWD standard - a'la Jeep Patriot. By doing this they offer a niche vehicle that really doesn't cost more to do and gain sales in the process. Makes complete business sense.

I would agree with you that if they do not do a limited version like I stated, a OffRoad AWD version as you state would be a Killer Production version for GMC. This would bring in the Jeep Crowd. 3-5 inch lift with big tires, take the crawl ratios from the H3 Hummer and give it some off-road manners.

The body style already is tough enough to handle an Off Road version.

[regfootball]

i'd prefer the denali be a 3.6 only but at the same time 4 cyl. is what many customers are choosing.

a used 4 cyl FWD denali on the used market in 3 years will be cheap and a good buy for a lot of bling.

[hyperv6]

Ok first off forget the OFF Road Package Idea. The Terrain is not an off road vehicle and to be honest never will be. This thing was designed to be a on road cross over and nothing more.

The new Terrain will be here in 2014 as a 2015 so at this point it is just going to ride it out. Word is the next one will be on the Delta II and this will fix the major issue of weight. It will be a 4 cylinder only and be about the size of a Cruze and Escape. There will be a shift in the market on the SUV line at GM. I still expect the Trailblazer to appear at some point no matter what GM stated and Chevy will get some kind of version of the Trax. THe market is all about cross overs now and every company will offer them is several sizes and drivetrains.

Either way the Denali price is to the point there are too many other good options. Hell for just over 40K you can get a lot of really prime vehicles. I own a loaded Terrain and it makes a wonderful $31K out the door vehicle but it is no way a $40K vehicle. Even GMC offers better at that price.

High profits are often built on the idea there is a sucker born every min. I can't blame GM as this is pure money but I see a fool behind every wheel.

I normally opt for all the options when I buy a new car but generally I get things like Superchargers, Turbo's and suspension packages. For $5k I expect more than some chrome and a night light.

Edited June 13, 2012 by hyperv6

[Drew Dowdell]

^ this is also probably a very big reason we didn't get the Trax.

[G. David Felt]

Still like the Idea of a Black Ice Edition. GMC is missing out on a limited performance version of the Terrain IMHO.

[GMTruckGuy74]

Ok first off forget the OFF Road Package Idea. The Terrain is not an off road vehicle and to be honest never will be. This thing was designed to be a on road cross over and nothing more.

Our famous and missing friend, PCS/Oracle of Delphi, stated long ago that the Theta platform was quite capable of handling off-road duty if the suspension was set-up correctly. The current set-up of the Terrain and Equinox is for on-road performance - aka "inclement weather" driving and light all-terrain duty. However, if a modest suspension lift can be installed, with meatier tires, an All-Terrain limited edition (not an Off-Road model) could be brought to market to capture an audience attune to such a vehicle. Jeep does this with the Compass (on-road) and Patriot (all-terrain) models, though we all know that with a little extra tuning the Patriot can be an off-road warrior too.

My biggest peeve with the Terrain is that for a SUV-wannabe CUV with truck-like styling, it sits way too low to the ground. That would be okay if it was the FWD that sat this low, but I feel the AWD version should have some lift to it and extra ground clearance. My mom's '05 Saturn VUE V6 AWD (and the Gen1 Equinox & Pontiac Torrent too) sits higher off the ground than the current Theta's do.

Edited June 13, 2012 by GMTruckGuy74

[G. David Felt]

Ok first off forget the OFF Road Package Idea. The Terrain is not an off road vehicle and to be honest never will be. This thing was designed to be a on road cross over and nothing more.

Our famous and missing friend, PCS/Oracle of Delphi, stated long ago that the Theta platform was quite capable of handling off-road duty if the suspension was set-up correctly. The current set-up of the Terrain and Equinox is for on-road performance - aka "inclement weather" driving and light all-terrain duty. However, if a modest suspension lift can be installed, with meatier tires, an All-Terrain limited edition (not an Off-Road model) could be brought to market to capture an audience attune to such a vehicle. Jeep does this with the Compass (on-road) and Patriot (all-terrain) models, though we all know that with a little extra tuning the Patriot can be an off-road warrior too.

My biggest peeve with the Terrain is that for a SUV-wannabe CUV with truck-like styling, it sits way too low to the ground. That would be okay if it was the FWD that sat this low, but I feel the AWD version should have some lift to it and extra ground clearance. My mom's '05 Saturn VUE V6 AWD (and the Gen1 Equinox & Pontiac Torrent too) sits higher off the ground than the current Theta's do.

I agree that the Terrain should and could have a proper lift in AWD form and be a competition to the Compass/Patriot. GM should consider a limited version like this. I think they could get a nice profit on a built unit like this.

[hyperv6]

Ok first off forget the OFF Road Package Idea. The Terrain is not an off road vehicle and to be honest never will be. This thing was designed to be a on road cross over and nothing more.

Our famous and missing friend, PCS/Oracle of Delphi, stated long ago that the Theta platform was quite capable of handling off-road duty if the suspension was set-up correctly. The current set-up of the Terrain and Equinox is for on-road performance - aka "inclement weather" driving and light all-terrain duty. However, if a modest suspension lift can be installed, with meatier tires, an All-Terrain limited edition (not an Off-Road model) could be brought to market to capture an audience attune to such a vehicle. Jeep does this with the Compass (on-road) and Patriot (all-terrain) models, though we all know that with a little extra tuning the Patriot can be an off-road warrior too.

My biggest peeve with the Terrain is that for a SUV-wannabe CUV with truck-like styling, it sits way too low to the ground. That would be okay if it was the FWD that sat this low, but I feel the AWD version should have some lift to it and extra ground clearance. My mom's '05 Saturn VUE V6 AWD (and the Gen1 Equinox & Pontiac Torrent too) sits higher off the ground than the current Theta's do.

Oh hell that means little as I could take a Sonic and make it into a capable off road vehicle too with the right parts. But that does not mean it would be a good idea.

The issue is with my customer. We sell almost every off road part known to man at work at you would find few real off roaders that would bite on a butched up Terrain.

Off roaders love RWD/AWD/4WD but if it has any ties to abased FWD they have little use for it. Vehicles like the Nitro, Patriot, Compass, Escape, Nox, Explorer. Terrain etc are not what real off roaders want. They have some nice slurs for them and people who consider them real off road material.

Now the old S-10, Jeep and even the Samuri are ok with them but they have little interest in these Crossovers. In all the 4x4 events I have run the show Judging on where we average 800 vehicles few to none are what I would term a modern cross over.

The rest are mostly soccer mom vehicles or butched up mini vans at best.

The cost to make the Terrain into a real off roader will drive the price to where they would just get a Yukon anyways.

The terrain has 7" of Ground Clearance and for the most will make it over what ever you need to with it.

Hell I like the Terrain but I would not want to go off road in it. There are more and better options out there. I would rather see a light jeep like vehicle on the Delta put out and designed from the start as trail ready as they like to say.

Short wheel base, light, good ground clearance, durable and easy to see out of is what most off roaders like and that is what they should be given.

The comments I heard on the guys witht he Patriots were crazy. Even the regular Jeep guys make fun of their manhood.

This is not what I feel but it is what I hear and see from the real trail guys out there. The kind that will run through a mud pit for $100 with out a truck. We did it evey year just to see how many we could get to do it. We has to limit the field. LOL!

[ocnblu]

I have a knife.

[Drew Dowdell]

a short one I've heard..

[ocnblu]

I can still carve things wif it.

[hyperv6]

$41,000 plus for a loaded AWD V6 Denali.

Are they friggin nuts? I own a Terrain and love it but no way in hell is this vehicle worth that kind of money. Once you break $40K the door opens to a lot of better options.

May as well just pay a little more and get the SRX. There is a dealer here selling the SRX new for $32,000 here. I see rebates on some real deals on this one.

On a positive note the new engine is nice. The present one is good and the 3.6 is just 14% to the better. More power is never bad. At least you do not have to buy the Denali to get the 3.6.

[Robert Hall]

$41,000 plus for a loaded AWD V6 Denali.

Interesting...where does a loaded AWD V6 Acadia Denali end up?

[ocnblu]

I'd rather have a Yukon SLE than the current Acadia Denali if I had that sort of moolah. The reskinned Acadia is night-n-day nicer though.

[hyperv6]

$41,000 plus for a loaded AWD V6 Denali.

Interesting...where does a loaded AWD V6 Acadia Denali end up?

Don't quote me but I think it starts in the mid $50K range and ends near $60K. Again way too much but at least with the large model you do get more for your money,

[hyperv6]

I have an update on the Terrain.

Still no defects at 4,000!

I had expected the read seat not folding 100% flat was going to be an issue but so far it has been a blessing.

I had to haul the Soap Box Derby race car in the Terrain and found even in the transport cradle with the wheels off the tail rises up and clears the console. Also I had to haul home a porch swing and the parts of the A frame stand for the swing. Note this was a heavy viynl over wood. We are talking several hundred pounds. The legs went up the slanted seats and cleared the console.

Overal the gas milage has been as good or just a MPG better than stated. The new Intellalink has been a great suprised and I am glad I decided at the last min to make use we got it.

The only things I could say is when we were in Amish country here in Ohio. They call it little Switzerland hence the foot hills of Appalachia. The engine handled the hills fine but you just have to get used to reving the engine more as the torque is high up in the range. Also you have to get used to where the tranny will shift. If you learn to use the RPM properly you should have no issues.

Also with my SS and years in the GTP I have to learn to temper the curves. The area were we were has some great back roads and the ride was great and for the most it handled fine for a SUV but you just have to remember on the sharp corners that this is not a GTP.

[ocnblu]

Always liked these even though they're strictly street vehicles. An SLE-1 AWD with 3.6L and no other options would be the one I'd get. Wait, can the 6 cylinder even be ordered in base trim?

[hyperv6]

The V6 can be had in the SLE-2.

Most in this class are not off real road vehicles. They are just butched up mini vans built to the point a man would be seen in them without feeling like he sold out.

I had a LT2 Nox for a week once and even though it was a low trim package it was well optioned for a $24K sticker. You can buy one of these now for around $19K. . You just have to get used to the fish net styled seat covers.

[smk4565]

Costs too much, that is basically SRX money. And the problem with Denali vehicles is the interiors aren't all that different than the base model. They add some wood trim and stitching on the leather. To me the Terrain Denali interior is no better than a Verano or Malibu LTZ which are nearly $10k less.

[G. David Felt]

The V6 can be had in the SLE-2.

Most in this class are not off real road vehicles. They are just butched up mini vans built to the point a man would be seen in them without feeling like he sold out.

I had a LT2 Nox for a week once and even though it was a low trim package it was well optioned for a $24K sticker. You can buy one of these now for around $19K. . You just have to get used to the fish net styled seat covers.

I would agree that most CUV's are man versions of a mini van. For me as long as it gets me to the ski resorts, an AWD Butch CUV is fine with me.

[hyperv6]

The V6 can be had in the SLE-2.

Most in this class are not off real road vehicles. They are just butched up mini vans built to the point a man would be seen in them without feeling like he sold out.

I had a LT2 Nox for a week once and even though it was a low trim package it was well optioned for a $24K sticker. You can buy one of these now for around $19K. . You just have to get used to the fish net styled seat covers.

I would agree that most CUV's are man versions of a mini van. For me as long as it gets me to the ski resorts, an AWD Butch CUV is fine with me.

Hell man up and do it with FWD. LOL!

The AWD is good for people with long unplowed drives but to be honest there is no need for it. But it does make more money for GM. The FWD will handle the mountains in WV so if you can make it thorugh the snow there you can make it anywhere.

Edited June 27, 2012 by hyperv6

[Drew Dowdell]

I handled the snow in WV in my RWD CTS.... I'm a manly man...

[hyperv6]

I handled the snow in WV in my RWD CTS.... I'm a manly man...

I bet you did it on All Season Tires too.

High Five!

That is as close as I could get.

[G. David Felt]

The V6 can be had in the SLE-2.

Most in this class are not off real road vehicles. They are just butched up mini vans built to the point a man would be seen in them without feeling like he sold out.

I had a LT2 Nox for a week once and even though it was a low trim package it was well optioned for a $24K sticker. You can buy one of these now for around $19K. . You just have to get used to the fish net styled seat covers.

I would agree that most CUV's are man versions of a mini van. For me as long as it gets me to the ski resorts, an AWD Butch CUV is fine with me.

Hell man up and do it with FWD. LOL!

The AWD is good for people with long unplowed drives but to be honest there is no need for it. But it does make more money for GM. The FWD will handle the mountains in WV so if you can make it thorugh the snow there you can make it anywhere.

Sorry Hyper but I have to totally disagree with you on FWD can get you through anything. Here, the FWD going up the last 7 miles gaining 3000 feet in elevation are always on the side left spinning their tires and having to chain up. This is why AWD will always be the way to go, no need to stop. Been to WV and the mountains are tiny there considering the west coast and Rocky mountains. Here the hills are big enough challenge to the FWD and the drivers end up leaving the roads blocked. On top of this, a heavy wet snow the Pacific Northwest gets compared to the light powder that seems to fall elsewhere. Anyone who has dealt with the heavy wet snow off the great lakes or been in the PNW will know that RWD and FWD are left spinning compared to 4x4 or AWD when the snow hits. Just not enough traction no matter how much you try to drive slow and easy and use your tranny.

[ocnblu]

FWD has a good bit of sucky characteristics in schnow. Steering is nigh on impossible when the vehicle will only push sideways. With RWD you can steer with the throttle which is advantageous, with AWD, if the system computer is set right, drama is reduced when turning v. a FWD.

[hyperv6]

The V6 can be had in the SLE-2.

Most in this class are not off real road vehicles. They are just butched up mini vans built to the point a man would be seen in them without feeling like he sold out.

I had a LT2 Nox for a week once and even though it was a low trim package it was well optioned for a $24K sticker. You can buy one of these now for around $19K. . You just have to get used to the fish net styled seat covers.

I would agree that most CUV's are man versions of a mini van. For me as long as it gets me to the ski resorts, an AWD Butch CUV is fine with me.

Hell man up and do it with FWD. LOL!

The AWD is good for people with long unplowed drives but to be honest there is no need for it. But it does make more money for GM. The FWD will handle the mountains in WV so if you can make it thorugh the snow there you can make it anywhere.

Sorry Hyper but I have to totally disagree with you on FWD can get you through anything. Here, the FWD going up the last 7 miles gaining 3000 feet in elevation are always on the side left spinning their tires and having to chain up. This is why AWD will always be the way to go, no need to stop. Been to WV and the mountains are tiny there considering the west coast and Rocky mountains. Here the hills are big enough challenge to the FWD and the drivers end up leaving the roads blocked. On top of this, a heavy wet snow the Pacific Northwest gets compared to the light powder that seems to fall elsewhere. Anyone who has dealt with the heavy wet snow off the great lakes or been in the PNW will know that RWD and FWD are left spinning compared to 4x4 or AWD when the snow hits. Just not enough traction no matter how much you try to drive slow and easy and use your tranny.

Sorry I have to disagee with you.

Living here in the heart of the snow belt of the Great Lakes and having had to deal with regular heavy snow I can say that there has never been a time other than blizzards that I have ever had an issue getting where I am going with FWD or 2WD RWD. In fact I often pass the AWD SUVs in the median stuck.

The real factors are these

#1 Many people have no car control skills.

#2 Many vehicles have poor or bald tires on the road. Just look in many parking lots and see what kind of tread many are running.

To be honest I find the Ice covered roads of Atlanta more a challance than the snow covered roads of NE Ohio and Western NY.

Lets face it even in the past few if anyone even had a 4x4 truck and most were in cars with bias snow tires and we got where we were going. Today with the electonic aids we have today it has made it to where most average drivers can still get where they are going with no issue. You can improve a car but even the best car even with AWD can not make up for poor drivers.

I an not saying AWD is not better but I am well aware it is not a must have thing to get where you are going.

Having pushed snow with the front bumper with my HHR SS and even spent 3 winters in a FIero in the snow I can say if you have the basic snow driving skills you can get nearly anywhere.

Now if I lived way off the road and did not want to plow the drive or if you lived where you may never see a plow way out in the country I would consider it but other wise I just see AWD as an option and not a must have.

Our 30% grades are no different just as our snow is no less wet or heavy. When I get up and there is 23 inches on the ground just go to work.

The only real issue are those who can not drive and I can not get around because they are going 5 MPH in their AWD SUV. That is why I take to the back roads.

[hyperv6]

FWD has a good bit of sucky characteristics in schnow. Steering is nigh on impossible when the vehicle will only push sideways. With RWD you can steer with the throttle which is advantageous, with AWD, if the system computer is set right, drama is reduced when turning v. a FWD.

With traction and stability control my SS is like a tank and damn near boring to drive. Seldom is there a momnet of panic even if you try. I have gotten it to 4 wheel drive over the computer but it take a lot of trying.

I do miss my Sonoma 2WD. For years I was a drifter before it was popular. Often I looked like Kinser coming off turn 4 at Eldora.

I has a Cobalt with no aids and got my son in it. We hit a parking lot and I did a couple spins with the e brake. It is sad he never really knew a car could do that as he was too young to remember the Sonoma. We live in a world where kids will fail to learn car control buy doing donuts in a parking lot like many of us did.

[G. David Felt]

FWD has a good bit of sucky characteristics in schnow. Steering is nigh on impossible when the vehicle will only push sideways. With RWD you can steer with the throttle which is advantageous, with AWD, if the system computer is set right, drama is reduced when turning v. a FWD.

With traction and stability control my SS is like a tank and damn near boring to drive. Seldom is there a momnet of panic even if you try. I have gotten it to 4 wheel drive over the computer but it take a lot of trying.

I do miss my Sonoma 2WD. For years I was a drifter before it was popular. Often I looked like Kinser coming off turn 4 at Eldora.

I has a Cobalt with no aids and got my son in it. We hit a parking lot and I did a couple spins with the e brake. It is sad he never really knew a car could do that as he was too young to remember the Sonoma. We live in a world where kids will fail to learn car control buy doing donuts in a parking lot like many of us did.

I do agree most drivers today have no snow driving skills and sadly kids do not think to take a car, truck or suv to a parking lot and see just what it will do.

I do agree with you on the quality of tires and that does make a huge difference in being able to get around in snow. Sadly, to many idiots with no driving skills live in Seattle and with having been hit twice by Idiots, I now use AWD to make sure during Fall, Winter and early spring I can get around without anyone hitting me.

[hyperv6]

My only travel issues are the unskilled.

I tend to hit the back roads and unplowed roads and get where I am going with no issue. Everytime I am on the interstate in the snow I watch the mirror with fear of being rearended.

[Robert Hall]

FWD has a good bit of sucky characteristics in schnow. Steering is nigh on impossible when the vehicle will only push sideways. With RWD you can steer with the throttle which is advantageous, with AWD, if the system computer is set right, drama is reduced when turning v. a FWD.

With traction and stability control my SS is like a tank and damn near boring to drive. Seldom is there a momnet of panic even if you try. I have gotten it to 4 wheel drive over the computer but it take a lot of trying.

I do miss my Sonoma 2WD. For years I was a drifter before it was popular. Often I looked like Kinser coming off turn 4 at Eldora.

I has a Cobalt with no aids and got my son in it. We hit a parking lot and I did a couple spins with the e brake. It is sad he never really knew a car could do that as he was too young to remember the Sonoma. We live in a world where kids will fail to learn car control buy doing donuts in a parking lot like many of us did.

I do agree most drivers today have no snow driving skills and sadly kids do not think to take a car, truck or suv to a parking lot and see just what it will do.

I do agree with you on the quality of tires and that does make a huge difference in being able to get around in snow. Sadly, to many idiots with no driving skills live in Seattle and with having been hit twice by Idiots, I now use AWD to make sure during Fall, Winter and early spring I can get around without anyone hitting me.

It was the same way in Colorado..too many drivers that had no clue how to drive on snow, slush, etc... I like to think that spending my formative driving years (6 winters) slogging around NE Ohio in the winter w/ RWD and 4 snow tires helped me build mad phat winter driving skillz..

[hyperv6]

FWD has a good bit of sucky characteristics in schnow. Steering is nigh on impossible when the vehicle will only push sideways. With RWD you can steer with the throttle which is advantageous, with AWD, if the system computer is set right, drama is reduced when turning v. a FWD.

With traction and stability control my SS is like a tank and damn near boring to drive. Seldom is there a momnet of panic even if you try. I have gotten it to 4 wheel drive over the computer but it take a lot of trying.

I do miss my Sonoma 2WD. For years I was a drifter before it was popular. Often I looked like Kinser coming off turn 4 at Eldora.

I has a Cobalt with no aids and got my son in it. We hit a parking lot and I did a couple spins with the e brake. It is sad he never really knew a car could do that as he was too young to remember the Sonoma. We live in a world where kids will fail to learn car control buy doing donuts in a parking lot like many of us did.

I do agree most drivers today have no snow driving skills and sadly kids do not think to take a car, truck or suv to a parking lot and see just what it will do.

I do agree with you on the quality of tires and that does make a huge difference in being able to get around in snow. Sadly, to many idiots with no driving skills live in Seattle and with having been hit twice by Idiots, I now use AWD to make sure during Fall, Winter and early spring I can get around without anyone hitting me.

It was the same way in Colorado..too many drivers that had no clue how to drive on snow, slush, etc... I like to think that spending my formative driving years (6 winters) slogging around NE Ohio in the winter w/ RWD and 4 snow tires helped me build mad phat winter driving skillz..

I have to agree as if you can learn how to deal with out winters here in NE Ohio you can drive anywhere.

Even after all these years I can leave home here south of Akron and find near two feet of snow 12 miles away at work. It just depends on what way the wind blows over the open lake.

But for the first couple snows people here adapt back fast but that first snow is always a pain to get around the white knucked drivers doing 5 MPH.

I learned to drive in the snow when I got my temp drivers permit. It was an old Malibu with Posi and Bias snow tires. I would take it to snow covered parking lots to learn how to do donuts but ended up learning car control. That was the best training grounds anyone could ask for.

The only car I put in the ditch was my GMC Sprint SP. It has no weight in the back a BBC under the hood and just a set of Dunlop GT Qualifiers.

I was driving too fast in too deep snow and tried to jump the ruts. It was the wet slippery snow too. I was out on a back road tying to get home for school to go to work. The rear went left and right a few times. I almost had it back under control and I over corrected. I went off the left side of the road and i jumped the ditch. The Hitch caught and left the rear tires in the air. My buddy got his dads tow truck and pulled me out. It did not harm to the car just my ego.

Now the worst car I drove was the Fiero. It would ride up on deep snow. It was light in the front so it did not want to turn, Also the short wheel base and the engine in the rear wanted to make it over steer if you lifted up on the throttle mid turn. I never got stuck in three years but I can say Pontiac built excitment. Oh I did all three winters on Eagle GT tires too. Oh those were the days. You should see how the snow melts off the rear deck lid. You can see where the air vents back on the sides.

[ocnblu]

Good Lord, you said Dunlop GT Qualifiers. All the hot young dudes wanted those tires, either on Cragar S/S or Keystone Classic rims.

[hyperv6]

Good Lord, you said Dunlop GT Qualifiers. All the hot young dudes wanted those tires, either on Cragar S/S or Keystone Classic rims.

Funny you said that as they came on the car with a old original set of Keystone. Thank God they kep the original rally wheel. They went back on as soon as I got ihe car.

The Car came from Nashville do I need to say more?

I can say I never bought a Keystone or Crager GT in my life unless it came on the car.

I just wish I still had the original set of Ansen black spoked wheels I had on my 63 Galaxie as they were in good shape and they are worth a lot today.

I find it funny that after al these wheels I still get warraty issues on the Cragers where the chrome still falls off after 2 years at the base of the spokes.

[ocnblu]

Do you work for Jeg's or Summit?

[hyperv6]

Do you work for Jeg's or Summit?

Look em up on a map any you will know.

[ocnblu]

Yup OK, got ya.

[caddycruiser]

Based on the number of Acadia Denali's I see EVERY day every where I go in & around Philly and elsewhere, I have no doubt the Terrain Denali will sell, and specifically in 4-cyl form as most 2010+ Theta buyers have preferred. Changes seem minor but in the Denali way, are just enough to give a different ambiance and higher grade feel. The Acadia version sells in droves.

My mother is 15 months into her 2011 Terrain SLT-1 AWD with the 3.0L and having already crossed 21k miles, no issues, and no complaints other than a lack of rear seat HVAC vent. It's not a small ute so just vents only in the dash don't cover the whole interior well enough. She's indifferent to Denali but if saw one in White Diamond, I think would like it. Told them about the 3.6L and also no interest, commenting it would probably just suck more fuel, unlike the 3.0L they like and have gotten used to.

On that note, colors. White Diamond is available on select Equinoxes, I would presume or hope the same for the Terrain.

[hyperv6]

Based on the number of Acadia Denali's I see EVERY day every where I go in & around Philly and elsewhere, I have no doubt the Terrain Denali will sell, and specifically in 4-cyl form as most 2010+ Theta buyers have preferred. Changes seem minor but in the Denali way, are just enough to give a different ambiance and higher grade feel. The Acadia version sells in droves.

My mother is 15 months into her 2011 Terrain SLT-1 AWD with the 3.0L and having already crossed 21k miles, no issues, and no complaints other than a lack of rear seat HVAC vent. It's not a small ute so just vents only in the dash don't cover the whole interior well enough. She's indifferent to Denali but if saw one in White Diamond, I think would like it. Told them about the 3.6L and also no interest, commenting it would probably just suck more fuel, unlike the 3.0L they like and have gotten used to.

On that note, colors. White Diamond is available on select Equinoxes, I would presume or hope the same for the Terrain.

The lack of HVAC is a common one with Terrain and Nox owners. I really don't notice as I always am driving and the climate control works great where I sit. I think they do need to put something in for the rear but it may not be addressed till the move to the Delta.

The 3.6 will get the same MPG as the 3.0 not great but not bad. The engine does well for toting 2 tons around. I fine it funny how some complain about MPG and they have no clue how heavy this thing is.

It does the same as out GTP did on MPG so it was a wash for us.

Edited June 30, 2012 by hyperv6