Cheers or Jeers: 18,000 mile 1985 Cadillac Seville

[wildmanjoe]

Cheers or Jeers: 18,000 mile 1985 Cadillac Seville

Link:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1985-Cadillac-Seville-1-Owner-1-Collector-18K-Certified-Miles-/310360457732?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item4842ecc204

After 58 years of selling Cadillac’s and other great motorcars, from this same location, all over the world, I truly believe that this masterpiece is one of the finest examples on the market today. This special ordered Seville was meticulously maintained both cosmetically by the owner and mechanically by the dealer. Always garage kept and rarely if ever driven in inclement weather this motorcar has gone only 18,971 certified miles and comes with the factory build sheet. It is finished in a beautiful porcelain white with impeccable white leather seating and scarlet trim highlights. It has every imaginable refinement available at the time: 6 way power driver and passenger bucket seats, power windows and door locks, climate control air conditioning, power disc brakes, deluxe tilt and telescoping steering wheel, and Dolby cassette and Bose sound system and locking wire wheel covers. It is fitted with a 4.1L V8 TBI and 4 speed automatic transmission which allows for awesome handling an power when you need it. This is a great collectable, which could be driven for many years that will provide you with endless pride of ownership.

[daves87rs]

Yuck!

[vonVeezelsnider]

I loved the bustleback Sevilles as a kid, however this one has been hit with an ugly stick. An unmolested example however...

Edited November 22, 2011 by vonVeezelsnider

[67impss]

This and also a first Gen

[ocnblu]

Running boards off an Econoline Chateau? Fake spare tire from JC Whitney? Jeers.

[Robert Hall]

Would be nice without the junk (running boards, wheel on the back, padded top).

[Drew Dowdell]

Too much "flair". Would be worth it for the one Von posted.

[balthazar]

It would be awesome to take a primo 2nd gen like pictured above and stuff a CTS-V powertrain under it.

[Drew Dowdell]

but but... then it would be a FWD Cadillac flashship1!!!!11!!!!eleventy!~!!!!!~

[Robert Hall]

but but... then it would be a FWD Cadillac flashship1!!!!11!!!!eleventy!~!!!!!~

Yes, but that would ok since those Sevilles didn't have a transverse engine...and have a long hood.. Great proportions for a FWD model, and it has a super short deck which is all the rage today..

[Drew Dowdell]

I feel like I need to create a shortcut to these two lately....

[balthazar]

For some reason this design always telegraphed 'RWD' to me. And it's not the longitudinal engine layout, for me it's the design emphasis toward the rear.

CTS-V powertrain means converting this to RWD, if the purists would allow such blasphemy...

[Robert Hall]

For some reason this design always telegraphed 'RWD' to me. And it's not the longitudinal engine layout, for me it's the design emphasis toward the rear.

CTS-V powertrain means converting this to RWD, if the purists would allow such blasphemy...

IMO, the '80-85 Seville and '79-85 E-bodies all looked like RWD cars to me w/ the long hoods and short decks. Likewise for the earlier Eldos and Toros. Great proportions, IMO. A design detail I so strongly dislike about most contemporary FWD/transverse engine models is the short distance between the front wheelwells and the doors...

[Drew Dowdell]

For some reason this design always telegraphed 'RWD' to me. And it's not the longitudinal engine layout, for me it's the design emphasis toward the rear.

CTS-V powertrain means converting this to RWD, if the purists would allow such blasphemy...

and give up my flat front floor? I think not.

Besides burning the front tires off with a 556hp s/c V8 would be just as fun.

[Robert Hall]

For some reason this design always telegraphed 'RWD' to me. And it's not the longitudinal engine layout, for me it's the design emphasis toward the rear.

CTS-V powertrain means converting this to RWD, if the purists would allow such blasphemy...

and give up my flat front floor? I think not.

Besides burning the front tires off with a 556hp s/c V8 would be just as fun.

A challenge would be finding/building a transaxle stout enough for the power and torque.

[Drew Dowdell]

a beefed up TH 425 should do it.

[balthazar]

A design detail I so strongly dislike about most contemporary FWD/transverse engine models is the short distance between the front wheelwells and the doors...

Yes, as you've stated 800,000 times. Try staring at any OTHER spot on cars for a while.

and give up my flat front floor? I think not.

Besides burning the front tires off with a 556hp s/c V8 would be just as fun.

Yes, no flat floor for you. And no, I don't think it would be "just as fun".

THM425 could easily handle the power- the internals are THM400, which can handle just about any power level with a competent rebuild.

[Drew Dowdell]

I'd want to keep it FWD for the "wow! that's neat!" factor.

[Robert Hall]

A design detail I so strongly dislike about most contemporary FWD/transverse engine models is the short distance between the front wheelwells and the doors...

Yes, as you've stated 800,000 times. Try staring at any OTHER spot on cars for a while.

Couldn't have been more than 50 times..

Well, there is also the window or black triangle in the a-pillar detail on many FWD cars that I also don't like...though it's not a FWD only detail--the Ford Aerostar had it and many mid engined models have it.

[balthazar]

It's a ferrari-thing, so by association; EXCITEMENT!!, right?

[Robert Hall]

It's a ferrari-thing, so by association; EXCITEMENT!!, right?

??? Can't think of any Ferrari w/ the triangle in the a-pillar detail...I'm thinking Honda Civic, Ford Fiesta, Prius, etc.

[balthazar]

Think this:

Front fascia insert looks laughably cheap here, too.

So does the plastic sill...

Edited November 22, 2011 by balthazar

[Robert Hall]

Think this:

<458 Italia pic>

That's different...the triangle is on the door and not in the a-pillar. the 458 Italia looks much better in person than in photos..the front grille insert is designed to deform at high speed to increase downforce.

Edited November 22, 2011 by Cubical-aka-Moltar

[smk4565]

I like it if the running boards and wheel on the trunk come off it. Although I preferred the late 80s Seville to the early 80s, I like the smaller one.

[balthazar]

dude, it's a cheap black plastic triangle in the A-pillar area. Whether it's attached to the door or the pillar, it looks like hell. You're splitting hairs.

And you're telling me the 'grille inset' is designed to be floppy? No speed-sensitive carbon fiber shutters on a $192K car, just a floppy chunk of cheap black plastic? Wow. Such EXCITEMENT!! and VALUE!!

[Robert Hall]

dude, it's a cheap black plastic triangle in the A-pillar area. Whether it's attached to the door or the pillar, it looks like hell. You're splitting hairs.

No...big difference in appearance when the window trim bleeds over into the A-pillar..it's very unpleasant aesthetically..

And you're telling me the 'grille inset' is designed to be floppy? No speed-sensitive carbon fiber shutters on a $192K car, just a floppy chunk of cheap black plastic? Wow. Such EXCITEMENT!! and VALUE!!

I suspect they aren't just cheap black plastic... probably a very expensive composite material.

[balthazar]

"Does anyone really believe that?"

[Camino LS6]

Particularly nasty-looking example of a car I've always hated.

An emphatic jeer.

Now the previous gen Seville is another story...

[67impss]

For some reason this design always telegraphed 'RWD' to me. And it's not the longitudinal engine layout, for me it's the design emphasis toward the rear.

CTS-V powertrain means converting this to RWD, if the purists would allow such blasphemy...

Why so Balthy? Both engines are N/S, the 425 would work with an adapter and maybe need a high torque rated chain drive but then the 69 Eldo chain from the High compression 500cid would be stout enough. what were you thinking? Can't be the hood length

[balthazar]

'70 Eldo had 550 gross TRQ, CTS-V has 550 net TRQ, or around 650 or more under the gross rating method.

Just thinking the car would need the weight transfer inherent with RWD launches to hook that up to the street.

Tho perhaps tractions control & other electronic nannies could be incorporated...

Sure, it definitely could be built as a FWD car, but like I said; from the performance standpoint and the personal vibe I get off it's lines, I'd rather it got RWD in this fantasy.