Boeing to deliver first 787 after years of delays

[wildmanjoe]

Boeing to deliver first 787 after years of delays

Link: http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Boeing-to-deliver-first-787-apf-4218156513.html

Boeing delivers its first 787 jet on Sunday. It's been a long time coming.

The new jet, which was supposed to be flying passengers three years ago, has been delayed by production and design problems. But now it's here, and airlines expect it to offer travelers much more comfort, open up new routes and provide significant fuel savings.

The first one goes to Japan's All Nippon Airways, which has been printing the 787 logo and "We Fly 1st" on its business cards for years.

Airlines love the jet, which Boeing calls the Dreamliner. They've ordered more than 800, well above levels for previous new jets.

"A lot of carriers are betting that this is going to be a winner," says George Hamlin, president of Hamlin Transportation Consulting in Fairfax, Va.

Instead of the usual aluminum skin, most of the 787 is covered in carbon fiber, basically a high-tech plastic that is strong but lightweight. Military planes and portions of other jetliners have used that material for years, but this is the first time so much has been used on an airliner.

The new material brings improvements that passengers should notice.

Its strength allows windows to be bigger and higher, so passengers don't have to hunch over to see the horizon. Electronic dimming replaces pull-down shades. That should mean you'll no longer be blinded when the guy next to you falls asleep with the shade up.

Finally, the cabin is pressurized to the equivalent of 6,000 feet, instead of the usual 8,000 feet. That means air pressure will be closer to what passengers are used to on the ground. And without corrosion-prone aluminum skin, the humidity can be kept higher. Those two changes should reduce dry noses and throats.

All Nippon plans to begin flying the 787 from Tokyo to Okayama-Hiroshima on Nov. 11. The first international route will be Tokyo to Frankfurt starting in January.

The first U.S. customer is United Continental Holdings Inc., which will get its first 787s next year and plans to fly them between Houston and Auckland, New Zealand, and Houston and Lagos, Nigeria.

Those are good examples of "thin routes" that airlines say the 787 will be good for -- routes for which there is regular demand that won't fill a larger plane. The 787's size, fuel efficiency and long range should allow airlines to turn a profit on those routes.

The jet will be as much as 20 percent more fuel-efficient than planes it replaces. Its efficiency was a nice perk when Boeing first proposed the 787 in its current form in 2003. Now it's essential for airlines dealing with high fuel costs.

Building an all-new plane like the 787 is a massive undertaking. Delays stacked up. Boeing was hit with an eight-week strike in 2008. It had to reinforce the spot where the 787's wings meet the fuselage. In November, the company had to delay the plane further after an electrical fire forced a landing during a test flight.

Boeing expects to deliver a combined 25 to 30 of the 787s and new 747-8 this year. To meet the high demand. Boeing has set an ambitious goal of building 10 per month by the end of 2013. No one has ever made a large plane that fast.

Richard Aboulafia, an aerospace analyst at the Teal Group, thinks Boeing will miss that goal because the company hasn't smoothed out its production process fully.

It's also not clear when the 787 will make money. Boeing already took a $2.5 billion charge in 2009 on the program, and it owes additional money to customers for the late deliveries. Boeing executives have said they will announce when the jet will be profitable after the first one is delivered.

The 787 list price runs between $185 million and $218 million. Discounts on new jets are common, though. Aboulafia says it's not clear how steep the discounts offered by Boeing were to lock in all the orders.

Boeing rival Airbus hopes to soon launch its new A350, also made with a significant amount of carbon composites. A successful 787 will put pressure on Airbus to meet its fuel-efficiency goals, and to deliver the plane on time.

[Drew Dowdell]

Late and still a better plane than the oft delayed and fuel sucking A380.

I can't wait to ride on a 787, but it will be a while till it begins serving routes that I typically travel.

[Robert Hall]

Great to hear it's finally off the ground. With those delays and problems, it must have been a rough experience on the project teams that developed it. I contracted for 9 months at a Boeing subsidiary back in '07-08, remember hearing about the issues w/ the plane. The software I worked on is used by the cockpit navigation charting system for the 787 and other planes.

[A Horse With No Name]

Lots of people burned the midnight oil on this one...the 747 almost bankrupted Boeing, as did this beast.

But this gives me faith in the USA at a time I badly need it...sweet story!

Edited September 26, 2011 by 66Stang

[z28luvr01]

The 747 revolutionized the airliner industry - the ideal long-range jumbo jet that has yet to be successfully emulated. The fact that the basic design has been in use since 1969 is proof of how good the plane is. The 787 is quite a pretty bird, and the technologies that Boeing packed into it should help it be almost thhe game changer that the 747 was.

Saw some youtube vids of some A380s landing - what a pig. About as graceful as a garbage truck. I suppose I shouldn't rag on Airbus too much. I'm flying an A321 to and from Vegas next month.

[Z-06]

The 747 revolutionized the airliner industry - the ideal long-range jumbo jet that has yet to be successfully emulated. The fact that the basic design has been in use since 1969 is proof of how good the plane is. The 787 is quite a pretty bird, and the technologies that Boeing packed into it should help it be almost thhe game changer that the 747 was.

Saw some youtube vids of some A380s landing - what a pig. About as graceful as a garbage truck. I suppose I shouldn't rag on Airbus too much. I'm flying an A321 to and from Vegas next month.

I flew the pig once from NY to Paris. Legroom and comfort wise it is no better than a A320 with an added benefit that we really felt packed like sardines. The animal is a perfect example of size DOES matter without the brain.

[Drew Dowdell]

The 747 revolutionized the airliner industry - the ideal long-range jumbo jet that has yet to be successfully emulated. The fact that the basic design has been in use since 1969 is proof of how good the plane is. The 787 is quite a pretty bird, and the technologies that Boeing packed into it should help it be almost thhe game changer that the 747 was.

Saw some youtube vids of some A380s landing - what a pig. About as graceful as a garbage truck. I suppose I shouldn't rag on Airbus too much. I'm flying an A321 to and from Vegas next month.

In terms of Jumbos, the 747 still does it better than the A380. The only downside is that the Airlines are not really replacing their old 747s with new 747s, opting instead to go to 777-300 instead. The 777-300, while having a slightly lower passenger capacity than the original 747 is much more fuel efficient per passenger by virtue of a 50% reduction in the number of engines. Yet quietly, Boeing has updated the 747 to the new 747-8 version for future orders. It has the new cabin of the 787 plus some of the carbon fiber airframe updates. The result is an airplane with major parts already shared by older models, yet distinctly updated to compete with the A380.