what do you do....

[balthazar]

... when you obsess on something, something historically documented, and you uncover some facts that could easily 'color' the chain of events of said history?

I've heard more than one supposed 'expert' voice their take on said history, and this has never been mentioned.

It's secondary, not primary, but in my experience/observations over time, facts such as these tend to carry a lot more weight than one might assume.

Certainly, it speaks toward motivation.

I almost want to start up a website, because there is no authoritative source online to just 'give' it to...

[Z-06]

When you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth.

[loki]

Occam's razor?

[Camino LS6]

Specifics?

[Drew Dowdell]

I suppose it really depends on how important a bit of history it is.

[balthazar]

History is always important.

[knightfan26917]

... when you obsess on something, something historically documented, and you uncover some facts that could easily 'color' the chain of events of said history?

Oh, this is so damn easy.

TELL IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I know from experience. Perhaps, though, not to the same degree, but for me, a die-hard Monte Carlo fan, it sure as hell was. So, let's rewind to 1988. The Monte Carlo was to be no more, starting in 1989. Ch#$r%*et, in it's "infinite wisdom" dumped the Lumina into the NASCAR circuit. HOW that happened, I've no idea, since you certainly couldn't buy in the show room what was being raced on Sunday, a NASCAR RULE. Anyway ... since the Lumina landed in NASCAR, people assumed the Lumina replaced the Monte Carlo. Ch#$r%*et, of course, didn't correct them. A number of years ago, though, I uncovered facts in a book that prove that the Lumina DID NOT replace the Monte Carlo. In fact, the Lumina replaced the Celebrity, according to the book _Chevrolet: The Complete History_ [copyright 1996 by Publications International LTD], on page 348: "With the new Lumina coupe and sedan effectively replacing their Celebrity counterparts...." And, on page 359: "Taking the place of the aging Celebrity sedan was the Lumina sedan ... a coupe version followed in the fall."

Also, the Lumina shared types (Eurosport), dashboards (flat/horizontal), tail lights (3 square on each side, across the back panel, more or less) and FWD with the Celebrity.....

In addition ... the Monte Carlo was the only one of the cousin names (Buick Regal, Olds Cutlass Supreme, Pontiac Grand Prix) to NOT be slapped on a FWD car IMMEDIATELY after the RWD versions ended in 1987/1988.

BAH.

Cort | 37.m.IL.pigValve.pacemaker | 5 Monte Carlos + 1 Caprice Classic | * CruiseNites_2011_Chi.IL *

MCs.CC + CHD.models.HO.legos.RadioShows + RoadTrips.us66 = http://www.chevyasylum.com/cort

"Just a little insight won't make this right" __ All-American Rejects __ 'It Ends Tonight'

[A Horse With No Name]

Why Chevrolet killed the market equity of the Monte Carlo should be taught at Harvard in economics as a bad marketing decision of the century, IMHO!

[Turbojett]

why stop there? incorporate all the once proud nameplates that GM dragged through the mud by slapping them on crap cars.

LeMans, Skylark, Grand Am, Cutlass, Nova, Malibu*, Impala et. al.

(*though this is a case of riches to rags and back to riches, I suppose)

[balthazar]

I've since tossed my facts 'out there', to relative indifference so far.

Perhaps I stand alone in attaching significance/interest to this bit of history at the moment...

[Turbojett]

maybe they just don't understand. you must have something if you think it's worth looking into...

[balthazar]

Or... it may just be that I'm obsessed, and a 'John Q Public' who shouldn't know anything better than those who have written on the topic.

[Z-06]

I think you should pursue. After digesting those facts during the chat after a bout sweet teas that kept us awake, your hypothesis holds value.

[balthazar]

^ Thanks.

I did verify half of the data involved using official records, which invalidated the published source on that part. The other half seems patently wrong too, but I've not verified that to my satisfaction yet. The only comment I got so far accused me of 'bashing the author'.

[Turbojett]

Or... it may just be that I'm obsessed, and a 'John Q Public' who shouldn't know anything better than those who have written on the topic.

eh. I've always found those "I know something you don't" stories kinda intriguing.

[knightfan26917]

balthazar,

Sure hope you get some better responses now that you've shared those facts....

Why Chevrolet killed the market equity of the Monte Carlo should be taught at Harvard in economics as a bad marketing decision of the century, IMHO!

Indeed!

why stop there? incorporate all the once proud nameplates that GM dragged through the mud by slapping them on crap cars.

LeMans, Skylark, Grand Am, Cutlass, Nova, Malibu*, Impala et. al.

(*though this is a case of riches to rags and back to riches, I suppose)

LOL!

I usually do include the impala, particularly since the Celebrity/Lumina connection is the same for it as the Monte Carlo.

*rolls eyes*

Cort | 37.m.IL.pigValve.pacemaker | 5 Monte Carlos + 1 Caprice Classic |

MCs.CC + CHD.models.HO.legos.RadioShows + RoadTrips.us66 = http://www.chevyasylum.com/cort

"Just another regret" __ All-American Rejects __ 'Dirty Little Secret'

[Potluck]

do we get to hear what it is?

[balthazar]

It's nothing like secret documents RE the Manhattan Project or anything... but there are some folk interested in this sort of thing.

Can I leave it as 'some historical hard data that suggests a different catalyst for the motivation of a serial killer' without getting into long paragraphs?

After the initial 'author bashing' comment, subsequent posts have been getting good feedback & appreciation in an ongoing thread in that circle of interest.

What I learned in 'shopping' this around is that Wikipedia disallows what they call "original research", or anything you cannot site an online source for the info. That's informational incest, IMO. Publication certainly does not guarantee accuracy. I'd eventually like to get this into wider circles of discussion and correct the published accounts.

[balthazar]

I worked on the above project thru until about June '12, then dropped it for a while. I made good progress tho. In the meanwhile, a server dump lost everything, so I had to start from scratch re-posting my findings to the same forum (once restored). Now at least I take screenshots of every post.

I just started back on this project within the past week, when last night I was contacted by an individual who's been researching the topic for 30 years. He says he has stacks of information, much rare, much previously unseen, and has invited me on a road trip to view his collection & 'talk shop'. Apparently, my 'new facts' on the topic were new to him.

I would LOVE to take this trip, but it's not financially prudent. Round trip by air it's $550, by car its 2000 miles. This sucks.

[Drew Dowdell]

What is the destination city?

[balthazar]

PM sent.