2012 Model Year Changes for Buick

[Paolino]

ENCLAVE:

Deletions

• (57U) Cyber Gray Metallic, exterior color
• (GGU) Gray Green Metallic, exterior color
• (80U) Red Jewel Tintcoat, exterior color
• CXL badge

New Features

• (89U) Crystal Red Tintcoat exterior color. Interim availability. Additional charge - premium paint.
• (VQQ) LPO, Black roof rack cross rails
• AWD Badge

Changes

• New 1SB Equipment Groups replace 2011 Model Year base CX (FWD/AWD) models
• New 1SD Equipment Groups replace 2011 Model Year CX (FWD/AWD) models with (PCI) Driver Confidence Package
• New 1SL Equipment Groups replace 2011 Model Year CXL-1 1XL (FWD/AWD) models
• New 1SN Equipment Groups replace 2011 Model Year CXL-2 2XL (FWD/AWD) models
• (89U) Red Crystal Tintcoat - Interim availability. Additional charge - premium paint

LACROSSE:

Deletions

• (GAP) Midnight Blue Metallic, exterior color
• (GAQ) Red Jewel Tintcoat exterior color
• (C68) Air conditioning, single-zone automatic climate control
• (UYZ) Audio system, AM/FM/XM stereo, single CD/DVD player with 2GB flash memory and MP3 playback
• (UDC) Display, driver instrument information enhanced, one color
• (S6B) LPO, Peripheral Device Interface Module (PDIM) (dealer-installed)
• CXL and CXS badges
• (PYX) Wheels, 17" (43.2 cm) high vent steel with flush cover
• (F82) Axle, 3.23 final drive ratio
• (LAF) Engine, 2.4L DOHC, 4-cylinder SIDI (Spark Ignition Direct Injection) with VVT (Variable Valve Timing)
• (LLT) Engine, 3.6L Variable Valve Timing V6 with SIDI (Spark Ignition Direct Injection), DOHC
• (MH7) Transmission, 6-speed automatic, electronically controlled with overdrive, includes Driver Shift Control, tap up/tap down
• Exhaust, dual stainless-steel with hidden turned down tips

New Features

• (PCP) Leather Package, includes (AG2) Front passenger 8-way power seat adjuster
• (KA1) heated driver and passenger front seat, leather-appointed seats (T3U) front halogen fog lamps with projector technology, and (DLL) outside heated power-adjustable, manual-folding mirrors with integrated turn signal indicators and ground illumination
• (PCQ) Sport Package, includes (Q52) 18" (45.7 cm) chrome-plated wheels, (QKE) P235/50R18 V-rated all-season blackwall tires and (GNB) HiPer Strut front suspension
• (UP9) Bluetooth for phone and music, personal cell phone connectivity to vehicle audio system, Smartphone, and HMI (Human Machine Interface)
• (LFX) Engine, 3.6L SIDI DOHC V6 VVT with E85 capability (TBD hp and lb-ft of torque)
• (LUK) Engine, ECOTEC 2.4L DOHC 4-cylinder DI (Direct Injection), 4-cylinder with eAssist technology, includes (MHH) 6-speed automatic electronically controlled transmission, (FXJ) 2.64 final drive ratio axle, (KY2) 120 amp alternator, (TM7) heavy-duty 438 cold-cranking amp battery, (NWM) single-outlet hidden exhaust, (J60) 4-wheel antilock disc brakes, (Q05) 17" machined alloy wheels with (RAF) P235/50R17 all-season low rolling resistance tires, (T43) rear body-color spoiler, (VRI) front lower active grille shutters and underbody aero panels (182 hp [135.7 kW] @ 6700 rpm, 172 lb-ft of torque [232.2 N-m] @ 4900 rpm)
• (MHH) Transmission, 6-speed automatic, electronically controlled with overdrive, includes Driver Shift Control, tap up/tap down, hybrid (eAssist)
• (VRI) Shutters, front lower grille, active (eAssist)
• (RAF) Tires, P235/50R17 all-season, blackwall (eAssist)
• (KY2) Alternator, 120 amps (eAssist)
• (FXJ) Axle, 2.64 final drive ratio (eAssist)
• (TM7) Battery, 60AH, maintenance free with rundown protection, heavy-duty 438 cold-cranking amps (eAssist)
• (J60) Brakes, 4-wheel antilock, 4-wheel disc with Brake Assist (eAssist)
• (NWN) Exhaust, single-outlet stainless-steel with hidden turned down tip (eAssist)
• Theft-deterrent system, immobilizer, vehicle, PASS-Key III

Changes

• New 1SB Equipment Group replaces 2011 Model Year base CX model
• New 1SD Equipment Group replaces 2011 Model Year CX model with (PDD) Comfort and Convenience Package #1
• New 1SL Equipment Groups replace 2011 Model Year base CXL (FWD/AWD) models
• New 1SN Equipment Groups replace 2011 Model Year CXL (FWD/AWD) models with (PCM) Comfort and Convenience Package #2
• New 1SP Equipment Groups replace 2011 Model Year CXL (FWD/AWD) models with (PCM) Comfort and Convenience Package #2 and (PCK) Luxury Package
• New 1SR Equipment Group replaces 2011 Model Year base CXS model
• New 1ST Equipment Group replaces 2011 Model Year CXS model with (UYS) Audio system with navigation, (PCI) Driver Confidence Package and (PCZ) Touring Package
• (PDD) Comfort and Convenience Package #1 now contains new content. Package includes MP3 playback capability, (DD8) inside rearview auto-dimming mirror, APG) driver 4-way power lumbar seat adjuster, (BTV) remote vehicle starter system and (UG1) Universal Home Remote
• (DA5) Armrest, rear center with 2 integral cup holders no longer includes rear seat pass-through
• No RPO Code Body-color door handles with chrome strips are now RPO Code (D7B)
• (T96) Fog lamps, front halogen with projector technology are now RPO Code (T3U)
• (TT4) Headlamps, halogen composite with Twilight Sentinel and flash-to-pass feature are now RPO Code (T4A)
• (TT2) Headlamps, high-intensity discharge (HID), Xenon projector lamps with Adaptive Forward Lighting are now RPO Code (T4F)
• (Q04) Wheels, 17" (43.2 cm) machined alloy are now RPO Code (Q05)
• No RPO Exhaust, dual-outlet stainless-steel with bright tips integrated in fascia is now RPO Code (MWN) and is included with (LFX) 3.6L E85 capable V6 engine
• Air filtration system no longer contains RPO code

REGAL:

Deletions

• (UYS) Audio system with navigation, AM/FM/XM stereo, single CD/DVD player and MP3 player, 40GB Hard Drive Device (HDD) with 10GB for music storage, HDD-based voice-activated navigation Time Shift radio with multi-function controller on console
• (Q9S) Wheels, 19" x 8.5" (48.3 cm x 21.6 cm) 10-spoke machined alloy
• (TU2) Turn signals, side-mounted indicator lamps
• (LAF) Engine, 2.4L ECOTEC DOHC, 4-cylinder SIDI (Spark Ignition Direct Injection) with VVT (Variable Valve Timing) (182 hp [135.7 kW] @ 6700 rpm, 172 lb-ft of torque [232.2 N-m] @ 4900 rpm)
• (NXB) Steering, power, non-variable effort, rack-and-pinion
• (MH7) Transmission, 6-speed automatic, Hydra-Matic, electronically controlled with overdrive, includes Driver Shift Control, tap up/tap down
• (GBV) Cyber Gray Metallic, exterior color

New Features

• (GBE) Crystal Red Tintcoat exterior color. Additional charge - premium paint. Not available at start up production.
• (GBN) White Diamond Tricoat exterior color (additional charge - premium paint)
• (Q05) Wheels, 17" x 7" (43.2 cm x 17.8 cm) machined alloy (eAssist)
• (Q52) Wheels, 18" x 8" (45.7 cm x 20.3 cm) chrome-plated
• (Q70) Wheels, 19" x 8.5" (48.3 cm x 21.6 cm) 9-spoke painted, machined alloy
• (RAF) Tires, P235/50R17 all-season, blackwall (eAssist)
• (QI9) Tires, P255/35R20 Summer only, blackwall
• (WTR) Tire repair kit (eAssist & GS)
• 4GJ69 GS model which includes (LHU) 2.0L ECOTEC 4-cylinder 255hp (est.) engine, (MR6) 6-speed manual transmission, (GNB) HiPer Strut front suspension, (GY6) 3.76 final drive axle ratio, (Q9T) 19" 5-twin spoke alloy wheels with (R01) 20" 5-twin spoke polished alloy wheels available, (RP2) P245/40R19 all-season blackwall tires with (QI9) P255/35R20 Summer tires available, (T4F) Bi-Xenon HID headlamps, (URC) Interactive Drive Control System with GS mode, (UD5) Ultrasonic front and rear parking assist (J64) Antilock disc brakes with Brembo front calipers, (N55) 3-spoke ergonomic leather-wrapped steering wheel, variable effort power steering, unique front and rear body-color fascias, unique body-color lower rocker moldings and dual-outlet stainless-steel exhaust integrated into fascia
• (UEW) Audio system with navigation, AM/FM/XM stereo with MP3 CD player, USB and AUX port, MP3/WMA playback, iPod support, 7" color touch screen display, multi-function controller, GPS navigation system, and SD card reader in center console
• (ATH) E-Z Key Passive Entry System, extended range with automatic door lock/unlock features
• (BTV) Remote vehicle starter system
• (BTM) Keyless start, switch
• (UG1) Universal Home Remote, includes garage door opener, 3-channel programmable
• Bright finish portholes
• (D7A) Door handles, body-color with chrome accents
• (DWK) Mirrors, outside heated power-adjustable, body-color, manual-folding with integrated turn signal indicators
• (KY2) Alternator, 120 amps (eAssist)
• (FXJ) Axle, 2.64 final drive ratio (eAssist)
• (GY6) Axle, 3.76 final drive ratio
• (TM7) Battery, 60AH, maintenance free with rundown protection, heavy-duty 438 cold-cranking amps (eAssist)
• (LEA) Engine, ECOTEC 2.4L DOHC 4-cylinder SIDI (Spark Ignition Direct Injection) with VVT (Variable Valve Timing) and E85 capability (182 hp [135.7 kW] @ 6700 rpm, 172 lb-ft of torque [232.2 N-m] @ 4900 rpm)
• (LUK) Engine, ECOTEC 2.4L, DOHC, DI (Direct Injection), aluminum 4-cylinder with eAssist technology, includes (MHH) 6-speed automatic electronically controlled transmission, (FXJ) 2.64 final drive ratio axle, (KY2) 120 amp alternator, (TM7) heavy-duty 438 cold-cranking amp battery and (Q05) 17" machined alloy wheels with (RAF) P235/50R17 all-season low rolling resistance tires (182 hp [135.7 kW] @ 6700 rpm, 172 lb-ft of torque [232.2 N-m] @ 4900 rpm)
• (NJ1) Steering, power, electric
• (MH8) Transmission, 6-speed automatic, electronically controlled with overdrive, includes Driver Shift Control
• (MHH) Transmission, 6-speed automatic, electronically controlled with overdrive, includes Driver Shift Control (eAssist)
• (MHK) Transmission, 6-speed automatic, electronically controlled with overdrive, includes Driver Shift Control
• New 4GR Model 1SL Equipment Group replaces 2011 Model Year 4GL69 and 4GO69 RL1 and RL2 Equipment Groups.

Changes

• New 4GR Model 1SL Equipment Group replaces 2011 Model Year 4GL69 and 4GO69 RL1 and RL2 Equipment Groups.
• New 4GR69 model 1SN Equipment Group replaces 2011 Model Year 4GL69 and 4GO69 RL3 and RL4 Equipment Groups.
• New 4GS69 Model 1SN Equipment Group replaces 2011 Model Year 4GK69 and 4GI Turbo T01 and T02 Equipment Groups.
• New 4GS69 1SP Equipment Group replaces 2011 Model Year 4GK69 and 4GI69 Turbo T03 and T04 Equipment Groups.
• New 4GR69 model 1SP Equipment Group replaces 2011 Model Year 4GL69 and 4GO69 RL5 and RL6 Equipment Groups.
• New 4GS69 model 1SR Equipment Group replace 2011 Model Year 4GK69 and 4GI69 Turbo TO5, TO6 and TO7 Equipment Groups.
• (AQQ) Remote Keyless Entry, extended-range replaces (ATG) Remote Keyless Entry, standard-range with lock control
• (T96) Fog lamps, front, halogen are now RPO Code (T3U)
• (No RPO) Grille, chrome waterfall is now (No RPO) Grille, Black chrome/spectre Gray waterfall, premium finish with bright chrome surround and Buick tri-shield
• (TT4) Headlamps, halogen composite with flash-to-pass feature and automatic on and off are now RPO Code (T4A)
• (TT6) Headlamps, high-intensity discharge (HID), Xenon projector lamps with Adaptive Forward Lighting, flash-to-pass feature , automatic on and off, automatic delay and warning buzzer are now RPO Code (T4F)

From here

[Paolino]

Well, it appears the big changes are all trim designations gone (i.e., no more CX/CXL/CXS designations like we knew)..

... LaCrosse gets rid of the steel wheels, gets the new 3.6L (power not yet listed), but probably an increase in fuel economy, dual zone climate control standard on all models, eAssist available, DIC is color on all levels.

... Regal gets of course the GS model, eAssist model, new NAV, and electric power steering which will probably boost fuel economy a smidgen, remote start and keyless entry/push button start available.

... Enclave sees no major changes, just some color changes, badge deletion.

Edited May 14, 2011 by Paolino

[riviera74]

Why get rid of the trim designations? How is any buyer supposed to know what equipment package has what? It does not seem to make any sense to the average customer (or me, for that matter).

[Paolino]

Why get rid of the trim designations? How is any buyer supposed to know what equipment package has what? It does not seem to make any sense to the average customer (or me, for that matter).

Honestly, it makes little difference whether trims are there or not. They choose packages now instead of trims. If you wanted a LaCrosse with leather, rather than choosing a CXL to get it, you simply choose a LaCrosse with a certain package that includes leather. It's really not difficult.

[riviera74]

Why get rid of the trim designations? How is any buyer supposed to know what equipment package has what? It does not seem to make any sense to the average customer (or me, for that matter).

Honestly, it makes little difference whether trims are there or not. They choose packages now instead of trims. If you wanted a LaCrosse with leather, rather than choosing a CXL to get it, you simply choose a LaCrosse with a certain package that includes leather. It's really not difficult.

That thought did not occur to me. Then again, in general I would probably want the best in a certain model anyway if I bought a new car. I do hope that this works better for Buick.

[Drew Dowdell]

Why get rid of the trim designations? How is any buyer supposed to know what equipment package has what? It does not seem to make any sense to the average customer (or me, for that matter).

Part of trying to move Buick up market.

[Paolino]

Why get rid of the trim designations? How is any buyer supposed to know what equipment package has what? It does not seem to make any sense to the average customer (or me, for that matter).

Part of trying to move Buick up market.

That's right, I don't really know luxury marques that have trim designations, they all function on packages.

[Potluck]

the only trim levels that other luxury makes have is the number denoting their engine size...... though even BMW can't seem to get that one right anymore. The 328i has a 3 liter engine

[ponchoman49]

With the Lucerne full size gone there is yet another void in GM's lineup. Why they can't get a nice RWD Buick styled Zeta in the lineup baffles me to this day. The Lacrosse is not worthy to be Buick's flagship entry. If Pontiac could have it in the G8 why not Buick?

[riviera74]

With the Lucerne full size gone there is yet another void in GM's lineup. Why they can't get a nice RWD Buick styled Zeta in the lineup baffles me to this day. The Lacrosse is not worthy to be Buick's flagship entry. If Pontiac could have it in the G8 why not Buick?

Ponchoman49, it baffles a lot of us. I would love having the G8 become a GMNA Buick with the necessary upgrades, but it is far more likely to be a Chevy Caprice or Cadillac flagship. (I hope!)

According to my local dealer (it might be a corporate decision), the Enclave is considered the flagship. I am not sure that a large crossover should be one, but that is another debate.

[ocnblu]

Back when the Park Avenue and Roadmaster Estate shared a showroom, which car should have been considered the flagship?

[Croc]

Back when the Park Avenue and Roadmaster Estate shared a showroom, which car should have been considered the flagship?

The Roadmaster was the Buick flagship. Park Avenue was a very close #2, however.

[Paolino]

LOVED the Roadmaster. Always wished they kept it and could see what it evolved into today.

[PONTIAC06]

... Regal gets of course the GS model, eAssist model, new NAV, and electric power steering which will probably boost fuel economy a smidgen, remote start and keyless entry/push button start available.

These are all really good additions... I just test drove a Regal Turbo with the T7 package and even got it down to the payments I wanted but buying it in the middle of my move just wasn't feasible. The two things that really got to me though were the lack of remote start and the push button start. I don't really want/need push button start, but if I'm going to spend 34K on a car, I definitely want the remote start and the option of the keyless would be nice. I really think this is a great vehicle and these little improvements are going to help a ton. The new ports will keep it in the family too, and I really want to test the GS before I buy anything.

[Paolino]

... Regal gets of course the GS model, eAssist model, new NAV, and electric power steering which will probably boost fuel economy a smidgen, remote start and keyless entry/push button start available.

These are all really good additions... I just test drove a Regal Turbo with the T7 package and even got it down to the payments I wanted but buying it in the middle of my move just wasn't feasible. The two things that really got to me though were the lack of remote start and the push button start. I don't really want/need push button start, but if I'm going to spend 34K on a car, I definitely want the remote start and the option of the keyless would be nice. I really think this is a great vehicle and these little improvements are going to help a ton. The new ports will keep it in the family too, and I really want to test the GS before I buy anything.

I'm guessing the GS is going to be sweet. And I completely agree with you on the remote start... I absolutely must have it on my next vehicle.

[daves87rs]

With the Lucerne full size gone there is yet another void in GM's lineup. Why they can't get a nice RWD Buick styled Zeta in the lineup baffles me to this day. The Lacrosse is not worthy to be Buick's flagship entry. If Pontiac could have it in the G8 why not Buick?

Ponchoman49, it baffles a lot of us. I would love having the G8 become a GMNA Buick with the necessary upgrades, but it is far more likely to be a Chevy Caprice or Cadillac flagship. (I hope!)

According to my local dealer (it might be a corporate decision), the Enclave is considered the flagship. I am not sure that a large crossover should be one, but that is another debate.

Not surprising since those who owned SUVs in the 90s crazy are retiring now......so in a way, it makes sense.

The 'new" retirees are not going to want the same things their parents had...

[Drew Dowdell]

Back when the Park Avenue and Roadmaster Estate shared a showroom, which car should have been considered the flagship?

The Roadmaster was the Buick flagship. Park Avenue was a very close #2, however.

I'm not so sure about that. You and I may think of the Roadmaster as the Buick flagship, but it wasn't thought of that way at Buick. The Roadmaster was luxury for a fair price, but it was considered (correctly), low tech. The Park Ave, despite being FWD and V6 powered, was considered to be Buicks flagship (out of the sedans, the Riviera was the true flagship)

You can see it rather quickly in the pricing:

Roadmaster Base - $25,560

Park Ave Base - $28,205

Roadmaster Limited - $27,490

Park Ave Ultra - $32,820

Rivira base - $30,010

Even the Roadmaster Estate Limited, pretty much loaded car at that point, was $29,445 and no amount of vogue tires or wood panel delete could push it up to the Park Ave Ultra's $32k base price.

So while you and I may think that anyone who picked a Park Ave over a Roadmaster needed to have their head examined, the truth is that Buick considered the Park Ave to be the flagship sedan and the Riviera the flagship of all Buick. Notice which one is worth more today though, the Roadmaster and Roadmaster Estate both KBB higher than either the Park Ave or Riviera.

[Paolino]

Speaking of the Riviera... it still looks good today IMO.

[Chicagoland]

I used to know a Buick Zone Rep back in 1991, and he claimed that the PA was 'top of the line', and the Roadmaster was aimed at older RWD LeSabre owners for trade-ins. Supposedly the PA was aimed at Lexus and Acura, even back then.

[riviera74]

I used to know a Buick Zone Rep back in 1991, and he claimed that the PA was 'top of the line', and the Roadmaster was aimed at older RWD LeSabre owners for trade-ins. Supposedly the PA was aimed at Lexus and Acura, even back then.

A Park Avenue aimed at Lexus and Acura 20 years ago? . That would make no sense now with the recently departed Lucerne. Now at least the current LaCrosse can safely (and correctly) be cross-shopped with an ES350 and a TL, maybe an RL.

[SAmadei]

I used to know a Buick Zone Rep back in 1991, and he claimed that the PA was 'top of the line', and the Roadmaster was aimed at older RWD LeSabre owners for trade-ins. Supposedly the PA was aimed at Lexus and Acura, even back then.

A Park Avenue aimed at Lexus and Acura 20 years ago? . That would make no sense now with the recently departed Lucerne. Now at least the current LaCrosse can safely (and correctly) be cross-shopped with an ES350 and a TL, maybe an RL.

Only thing GM successfully aimed and and hit 20 years ago was a sharp stick in the eye.

[SingleStylish]

Unless I read that wrong, Enclave gets a 4cyl model this year.

[riviera74]

Unless I read that wrong, Enclave gets a 4cyl model this year.

You did. Enclave may get a smaller 6cyl, but there is a smaller vehicle for Buick that get a 4cyl (the upcoming Encore).

[Paolino]

Unless I read that wrong, Enclave gets a 4cyl model this year.

You did. Enclave may get a smaller 6cyl, but there is a smaller vehicle for Buick that get a 4cyl (the upcoming Encore).

There are no stated changes to the engine of the Enclave this year in the official order guide.

[Paolino]

Well, this is a surprise. The order guide has been updated for the Regal, and it says STANDARD for the base is:

"Audio system, AM/FM/SiriusXM stereo with MP3 CD player, USB and AUX port, 7" color touch screen display, MP3/WMA playback, iPod support and upgradeable software."

7" color touch screen for the base? Nice

Wonder why the more expensive LaCrosse doesn't get that?

[Robert Hall]

Well, this is a surprise. The order guide has been updated for the Regal, and it says STANDARD for the base is:

"Audio system, AM/FM/SiriusXM stereo with MP3 CD player, USB and AUX port, 7" color touch screen display, MP3/WMA playback, iPod support and upgradeable software."

7" color touch screen for the base? Nice

Wonder why the more expensive LaCrosse doesn't get that?

<cynical> Because the Regal has a younger demo that wants more connectivity in their media...</cynical>

No order guide yet for the Verano (it's coming for '12, isn't it?)

[Paolino]

Well, this is a surprise. The order guide has been updated for the Regal, and it says STANDARD for the base is:

"Audio system, AM/FM/SiriusXM stereo with MP3 CD player, USB and AUX port, 7" color touch screen display, MP3/WMA playback, iPod support and upgradeable software."

7" color touch screen for the base? Nice

Wonder why the more expensive LaCrosse doesn't get that?

<cynical> Because the Regal has a younger demo that wants more connectivity in their media...</cynical>

No order guide yet for the Verano (it's coming for '12, isn't it?)

You're probably right though. And yes, the Verano is supposed to be for sale summer of 2011, so I would hope any day now we'd see an order guide and know pricing! I'm actually interested in it.

[Chicagoland]

"A Park Avenue aimed at Lexus and Acura 20 years ago? rlol"

I agree, but back then, GM figured just make it "look imported" with luggage racks on trunks and black trim and it was "good enough".

[Drew Dowdell]

I used to know a Buick Zone Rep back in 1991, and he claimed that the PA was 'top of the line', and the Roadmaster was aimed at older RWD LeSabre owners for trade-ins. Supposedly the PA was aimed at Lexus and Acura, even back then.

A Park Avenue aimed at Lexus and Acura 20 years ago? . That would make no sense now with the recently departed Lucerne. Now at least the current LaCrosse can safely (and correctly) be cross-shopped with an ES350 and a TL, maybe an RL.

In 1991, $24k bought you the ES250 (tarted up Camry) with 156hp 2.5 V6 and about 7 lb-ft of torque... or...you could stroll over to the Buick dealer and pick up the new for 1991 Park Ave with 170hp and a LOT more torque and a lot more room, comfort, and "presence"

If you are thinking the Lexus LS400 - well that was more Cadillac Sedan Deville, Cadillac Seville, or Cadillac Fleetwood Brougham territory... all of which were getting their redesigns in another year or two.

[riviera74]

In 1991, $24k bought you the ES250 (tarted up Camry) with 156hp 2.5 V6 and about 7 lb-ft of torque... or...you could stroll over to the Buick dealer and pick up the new for 1991 Park Ave with 170hp and a LOT more torque and a lot more room, comfort, and "presence"

If you are thinking the Lexus LS400 - well that was more Cadillac Sedan Deville, Cadillac Seville, or Cadillac Fleetwood Brougham territory... all of which were getting their redesigns in another year or two.

While it made more sense to buy a Park Avenue (or even a LeSabre) in 1991, a lot of Baby Boomers went for the ES250. Why do you think that the ES350 & RX350 are best sellers in their class? Toyota/Lexus won that war a long time ago mostly because of GM errors and the slow response of the Germans, not much else.

[walter36]

I can see alot of would be Cadillac buyers opting for a Lacrosse. The CTS might just be too small for them.

[smk4565]

I can see alot of would be Cadillac buyers opting for a Lacrosse.

Read people over 70.

[Satty]

I absolutely love the Regal and really like the Lacrosse and I'm not 70.

[67impss]

Now he seems to have a prob with the aged that has the money to burn on a car that they might just be able to get into and out of

[daves87rs]

I used to know a Buick Zone Rep back in 1991, and he claimed that the PA was 'top of the line', and the Roadmaster was aimed at older RWD LeSabre owners for trade-ins. Supposedly the PA was aimed at Lexus and Acura, even back then.

Scary....

[Drew Dowdell]

Does money get less green as the holder gets older?

[riviera74]

Does money get less green as the holder gets older?

No. The current LaCrosse is the car to have, especially since Buick lacks a RWD flagship. Nothing wrong with the current Regal or upcoming Verano, but I would take a LaCrosse CXL or CXS over almost anything GM currently has. Cadillac does need the upcoming ATS, but it also needs a real RWD flagship too.