F-ing Gov't. !

[ocnblu]

How much grass do the defenders mow? I'm guessing none.

[Satty]

How much grass do the defenders mow? I'm guessing none.

Quite a bit, actually. I find that it makes things look proportionally larger, which is a self-confidence boost.

[Justin Bimmer]

Is there a separate certificate for the other 49 states?

I figured since it was California's fault the world has to suffer with crappy gas cans. They should be the state that offered you the award.

[Croc]

Why exactly, do you feel the need to call this thread "ridiculous"?

It just seems like such a trivial complaint in the bigger scheme of things. People figure out somehow how to use gas cans everyday.

[Camino LS6]

Let's review, shall we?

First, we have the humble gas can. It has a spout, a vent, and a cap to seal both.

It is:

- simple

- reliable

- inexpensive

- durable

-------enter government regulation---------

Results?

Now the gas can is:

- triple the price

- more dangerous

- less functional

- exacerbates the very "problem" it was intended to solve.

The true "bigger picture" here is how even simple things turn into utter fail once the government gets involved. Yes, the gas can issue is a real PITA for me, but it is just a microcosm of the larger world of government intervention screwing things up.

I mean, if you can ruin the simple gas can, well...

[regfootball]

I have one of these newer 1-gal cans. I bought one for diesel so I can refill the DuraMax's giant fuel filter before installing it. There is no lip on a fuel filter to catch the finger on that stupid rigid spout, and even if there were, it's still, again, a situation where you need to see the level to avoid spilling fuel, and the flexibility to control flow.

The anger comes from a forced 'solution' that no one asked for, that is only functional in the real world in ideal situations.

The fact remains, that in order to get that control back, one is forced to circumvent the 'solution' and it's intentions/goals, which renders said 'solution' even more pointless.

Edited January 21, 2011 by regfootball

[Croc]

No really, let's review:

1) You start your daily whine thread

2) You argue ardently with anyone who disagrees with you or tries to offer a workable solution to your plight

3) I respond to Satty's mocking of you with a "Really? Is this anything new?"-type answer

4) Now you're arguing with me over my perception of this thread's ridiculousness.

Seriously?

[ocnblu]

Uh oh, he broke out a chart.

[regfootball]

Let's review, shall we?

First, we have the humble gas can. It has a spout, a vent, and a cap to seal both.

It is:

- simple

- reliable

- inexpensive

- durable

-------enter government regulation---------

Results?

Now the gas can is:

- triple the price

- more dangerous

- less functional

- exacerbates the very "problem" it was intended to solve.

The true "bigger picture" here is how even simple things turn into utter fail once the government gets involved. Yes, the gas can issue is a real PITA for me, but it is just a microcosm of the larger world of government intervention screwing things up.

I mean, if you can ruin the simple gas can, well...

could be a generational thing.

over time, the newer masses have been conditioned to believe that government intervention is required for the world to be whole. That its needed in every aspect of life. To some degree we can thank the educational elite and the media for a lot of this. If it (constant presence of govt) were absent, the Kumbaya state of the numb minds would no longer exist and people would be left to think with common sense and with a sense of looking out for themselves.

thus, it guarantees not only the 'worth' of government and need for it to remain, but the masses believe it needs to grow.

so really, these new gas cans / caps are socialism and government oppression in its finest form. "You need these gas cans!!!!!!"

Not only do we have the need for government to continually show up at the party and continually tell us they need to be omnipresent, we also have an increasing frequency of the State of California being a PMS attention whore narcissist Diva, too.

It's kind of like a union, over time, they brow beat you into thinking you can't live or function without them.

Edited January 21, 2011 by regfootball

[regfootball]

while we're on the subject of gas. My cobalt is netting 27 mpg right now with this $h!ty cold weather.

I want to note also that gas is over 3.20 here now.

A few weeks ago my cobalt cost 25 bucks to fill. now its 35 or more.

ANYWAYS. Also, the government tells me or requires actually that the gas I buy is ethanol blend. a blend of 10% ethanol.

Curiously, when I put non oxygenated, non ethanol, small engine gas in the car, i get 10-15% better mileage. I spend a little more.

in any case. I use 10% more gas for the same miles driven. Which is the same percentage as the ethanol. So in essence, I am forced to spend an extra 10% on fuel to buy the ethanol i didn't want to go the same miles. I am forced by the government to buy ethanol each time but it has no benefit to me, only cost.

Edited January 21, 2011 by regfootball

[Croc]

Or, more simply, younger generations can be given a new gas can design and figure out how to use it without drama.

[Camino LS6]

Or, more simply, younger generations can be given a new gas can design and figure out how to use it without drama.

Insulting, inaccurate, and unpleasant as usual, I see.

You are simply wrong in your assertions.

[Intrepidation]

Snooping as usual, I see.

[67impss]

OK so how much money did CARB cost the entire US economy with this stupid regulation?

1 The CARB regulators

2 Other State Bureaucrats & elected Officials

3 Designers

4 Manufacturers

5 Quality Control

6 National warehouses

7 National retail sales

8 Consumers

Just so we can have the luxury of buying a can that is not required in all but 1 State(that is going bankrupt!) Even if you can buy a non CARB can in the other 49 States you will have subsidized the Cally can as the Manufacturer passes the cost on to all customers.

"Now the gas can is:

- triple the price

- more dangerous

- less functional

- exacerbates the very "problem" it was intended to solve."

"I mean, if you can ruin the simple gas can, well... " Camino

Government at its finest! Then we pay to modify the damned thing and become criminals!

[Intrepidation]

Anyway if you use gas cans so much why not just invest in the good one and be done with it? It's everything you want, and its not made in China. Otherwise to me you're just complaining for the sake of complaining, when there are alternatives.

[Justin Bimmer]

There are at least 10 states that require CARB type emissions on items. Also, I bet more gas cans are bought in California then in 20 states combined. Plus, if these things really were horrible death traps, they would be recalled.

I am reminded of a clever quip my father used to tell me "Save a dime, spend a dollar"

Old School Looking Can Metal Can (Plus C&G Amazon Credit Link)

* Eagle U2-51-S gas safety can is made with no top or side seam and a double interlock no-weld bottom seam

* Made of lead-free, hot-dipped 24-gauge, deep-drawn galvanized steel with baked-on high gloss powder coat finish

* The filler spout and flame arrestors in both openings are non-sparking brass designed for flashback protection

* Features two openings: a pressure-relief spring closing lid for filling, and an actuated pour valve with a flexible metal spout for safer controlled dispensing

* Made in the USA; 100-percent leak tested

* 100% leak tested

* Lead-free, hot-dipped 24-gauge, deep-drawn galvanized steel construction with a baked-on high gloss powder coat finish with Bright, silk-screened trilingual warning label

* Meet OSHA and NFPA Code 30 requirements, FM, UL & ULC listed

* Spring closing lid with neoprene gasket vents at 5 psi internal pressure and Flame arrester screens in filler and dispensing spout

* The only deep drawn construction safety can made with no top or side seam and a double interlock no-weld bottom seam

[Blake Noble]

I haven't paid attention to this particular market and have not been made aware of any drastic changes, so excuse me if I have nothing more to contribute to this thread other than this one additional statement: Seriously?

[Croc]

Insulting, inaccurate, and unpleasant as usual, I see.

You are simply wrong in your assertions.

That was clearly in response to reg, and obviously glib. Chill out.

Edited January 21, 2011 by Croc

[Robert Hall]

The next time I work from home and my yard service is there, I'll be sure to check w/ them as to the type of their gas cans.

[FAPTurbo]

could be a generational thing.

over time, the newer masses have been conditioned to believe that government intervention is required for the world to be whole.

Hi, I represent 'Generation Y' and bring you this message:

NO IT'S BECAUSE IT'S A GOD DAMN GAS TANK THAT MANY OF HAVE USED WITHOUT ANY ISSUE OR SPILLAGE WHATSOEVER AND WE ALL BOUGHT THEM FOR UNDER TWENTY BUCKS BECAUSE WE KNOW HOW TO INTERNET.

[Intrepidation]

Hi, I represent 'Generation Y' and bring you this message:

NO IT'S BECAUSE IT'S A GOD DAMN GAS TANK THAT MANY OF HAVE USED WITHOUT ANY ISSUE OR SPILLAGE WHATSOEVER AND WE ALL BOUGHT THEM FOR UNDER TWENTY BUCKS BECAUSE WE KNOW HOW TO OPERATE A LEVER.

[Camino LS6]

Please.

[Intrepidation]

Anyway if you use gas cans so much why not just invest in the good one and be done with it? It's everything you want, and its not made in China. Otherwise to me you're just complaining for the sake of complaining, when there are alternatives.

[Camino LS6]

$60 plus is an absurd amount to spend on a gas can.

That one is pretty self-explanatory.

Edited January 21, 2011 by Camino LS6

[FAPTurbo]

Please.

No. Seriously, a topic about gas tanks has morphed into something about the government being a power-hungry entity and my generation supposedly facilitating this control.

[Intrepidation]

$60 plus is an absurd amount to spend on a gas can.

That one is pretty self-explanatory.

If gas tanks are so important to you and the work you do I don't see why you wouldn't invest in a high quality one that meets all your criteria.

[Robert Hall]

I wonder what the Tea Party thinks about this issue? Or maybe Camino can call into the Glenn Beck show and raise it as an issue...

[SAmadei]

Well, for all those who think that government interference in gas container interfaces is perfectly fine, let me show you a preview of the CARB 5.0 Gas Can 2012 Interface... (Yes, all gas cans will be mobile in the future).

All gas cans NOT using this interface after 2012 will be illegal and criminals will be branded terrorists.

Yeah, its a bit of a frivolous discussion considering the disaster the politicians are doing elsewhere, but it reminds me of a famous statement, paraphrased here for the topic...

First they came for the cheap, sensible gas containers,

and I didn't speak out because I didn't use them that much.

Then they came for our gas stations,

and I didn't speak out because I wasn't an investor in the petrol companies.

Then they came for our cars,

and I didn't speak out because I wasn't able to afford one after getting fired from my gas station job.

Then they came for me

and there was no one who could care less for a broke, homeless guy unable to get around.

...In the end, I find it VERY interesting that the division here seems to be based on age/generation. It tells me that the brain washing is apparently working. I envision in a couple more generations you won't be able to tie your shoes without a license, insurance and special, anti-noose break-away shoelaces. Centuries from now, Mike Judge's Idiocracy will make him look like Nostradamus.

[Robert Hall]

Considering I don't live in either a west or east coast draconian police state and have access to the regular cans, if I promise to buy the appropriate cans and ship them to the appropriate people, can this madness end?

Hmmm...I suspect that would constitute in interstate trafficking of a controlled item. Probably illegal to import contraband gas cans into Pa.

[Camino LS6]

No. Seriously, a topic about gas tanks has morphed into something about the government being a power-hungry entity and my generation supposedly facilitating this control.

I didn't mention your generation at all in this thread.

But this gas can issue is a clear example of a failure due to government involvement. A good and simple thing is no longer good nor simple. The outcome has no upside.

Frankly, I'm floored that anyone would defend such a thing.

[Intrepidation]

...In the end, I find it VERY interesting that the division here seems to be based on age/generation. It tells me that the brain washing is apparently working. I envision in a couple more generations you won't be able to tie your shoes without a license, insurance and special, anti-noose break-away shoelaces. Centuries from now, Mike Judge's Idiocracy will make him look like Nostradamus.

Or, alternatively, that we're not dumbfounded by the ultra complex operating mechanism of the plastic gas cans.

If it was such a huge problem for me and I used the thing every day then I would buy the metal can. Of course I wouldn't have anything to complain about then, what a tragedy.

[Camino LS6]

Or, alternatively, that we're not dumbfounded by the ultra complex operating mechanism of the plastic gas cans.

If it was such a huge problem for me and I used the thing every day then I would buy the metal can. Of course I wouldn't have anything to complain about then, what a tragedy.

Oh come on, DF!

Dumbfounded?

Really?

You know better than that.

As for the metal can, do you honestly think that I should spend an extra fifty bucks every time the government ruins something I need?

[FAPTurbo]

I didn't mention your generation at all in this thread.

But this gas can issue is a clear example of a failure due to government involvement. A good and simple thing is no longer good nor simple. The outcome has no upside.

Frankly, I'm floored that anyone would defend such a thing.

Reg mentioned it.

I've used a CARB can, and had no issue filling my power equipment. And it stops poison gases from evaporating into the atmosphere. Since it hasn't affected me any, and saves the environment, I'd say it's quite the upside.

...In the end, I find it VERY interesting that the division here seems to be based on age/generation. It tells me that the brain washing is apparently working.

If 'brainwashing' is what is turning us into practical beings that can operate the simple levers of a gas can that never causes us issue, AND helps the environment, then I hope it is kept up. I think it is called 'education.'

[Intrepidation]

Not really jabbing that a you camino, but this whole "HURR GEN Y IS BRAINWASHEDIFIED" and "THIS CAN IS SO DAMN COMPLIMICATED THAT I SPILL GAS ALL OVER MYSELF TRYING TO OPERATE A LEVER F**K YOU GOVERNMENTMAN" thing is a bit ridiculous.

As for the the price of the can, I'd spend that kind of money if I used it for my business or whatever. It looks to last more than long enough to pay for itself. I don't have a problem with the plastic ones because 1.) I don't use it much except to fill the lawnmower or snow blower 2.) I don't mind the spout because for me it makes less of a mess (we have an older style one that I find is easier to get spillage).

Myself and others have offered constructive solutions and lower priced gas cans, so really besides this turning into a government conspiracy plot I don't see why we need to ignite more flames.

[Camino LS6]

I never expected an argument, let alone a war when I posted this.

I've already posted what it is I intend to do, and why I object to the situation as it is, so as long as everyone can see their way clear to respect that I'd just as soon drop it.

[Intrepidation]

I will say that out of curiosity I checked the oil adapter and it doesn't fit the gas can. So there went my frankly brilliant plan.

[William Maley]

I wonder what the Tea Party thinks about this issue? Or maybe Camino can call into the Glenn Beck show and raise it as an issue...

[Camino LS6]

I will say that out of curiosity I checked the oil adapter and it doesn't fit the gas can. So there went my frankly brilliant plan.

Yeah, they've changed the size so that the old nozzles won't fit.

But I will find a solution!

[Justin Bimmer]

Reg mentioned it.

I've used a CARB can, and had no issue filling my power equipment. And it stops poison gases from evaporating into the atmosphere. Since it hasn't affected me any, and saves the environment, I'd say it's quite the upside.

If 'brainwashing' is what is turning us into practical beings that can operate the simple levers of a gas can that never causes us issue, AND helps the environment, then I hope it is kept up. I think it is called 'education.'

WAIT!!!!

The evil California government CARB has invaded CANADA!!!

[Robert Hall]

WAIT!!!!

The evil California government CARB has invaded CANADA!!!

Oh noesss!!! Won't someone think of the childern!!!

[Camino LS6]

The "saving the environment" claim is dubious at best. Perhaps some of the newest ones might make that claim - but those that I've encountered leak horribly, thus negating that "upside".

With that, I'm going to take out the trash and settle-in to the B-J auction.

Edited January 25, 2011 by Camino LS6

[Drew Dowdell]

And.... thread.

[Drew Dowdell]

If ya'll can behave yourself, I'm reopening the thread.

[Chevy Nick]

Camino have you solved your problem yet?

[Intrepidation]

Epic thread is epic.

[Robert Hall]

I'd like to see this thread ran through that software that makes an animated video from a script.

[Justin Bimmer]

I'd like to see this thread ran through that software that makes an animated video from a script.

+1

[daves87rs]

I'd like to see this thread ran through that software that makes an animated video from a script.

+2

[Camino LS6]

Camino have you solved your problem yet?

No, I'm just going to wait for garage sale season.

[Camino LS6]

And Olds, you may as well lock this up again - it's a spent thread.