New GS not so Lexus!

[Imaj]

http://www.clublexus.com/forums/showthread.php?t=202629

http://www.clublexus.com/forums/showthread.php?t=198954

http://www.clublexus.com/forums/showthread.php?t=206531

http://www.clublexus.com/forums/showthread.php?t=206423

http://www.clublexus.com/forums/showthread.php?t=195598

Edited March 24, 2006 by Imaj

[Newbiewar]

interesting to see the responses...

hrmmm wonder how that growing pains are doing

[Paolino]

My fav is on the last one the guy writes: "I'm PRAYING that I get a JD Power survey in the mail for this car"

I'm praying they send one to him too

[VenSeattle]

My fav is on the last one the guy writes: "I'm PRAYING that I get a JD Power survey in the mail for this car"

I'm praying they send one to him too

Makes you hope they subscribe to Consumer Reports too...

[Paolino]

Makes you hope they subscribe to Consumer Reports too... 

lol, true true

Although, I don't think CR would change!

Although, would be nice for someone to write an article in a magazine, and mention CR's ratings for the car (I'm assuming it was rated very well in all categories)

[regfootball]

"they pulled my whole dash out"

[regfootball]

"i'm planning on taking my GS in very soon for the windshield noise. Frankly, I'm disappointed by the number of minor fit/finish issues I've experienced with the GS. I still love the car, but I never thought I would be taking this car in for service so many times. Oh well, I guess even Lexus has troubles with their first year models, but at least it's nothing serious."

[regfootball]

jeesus, i might have to pop some popcorn and grab a beer.

[regfootball]

"They had to take apart the dash and center console and do multiple

road tests."

"I might have to trade this car for a m35x"

"they wouldn’t replace my front seatbelts that DID not work"

"They have pulled the dash down and insulated where it attaches to the firewall, used sound deadening insulation in various ares of the dash and center console, and it still cracks and pops. Worse in the cold weather. This has to be a serious issue, more people must be having this problem. Heck, my wife's Accord is quieter than the GS."

"Now mine, after 10,000 miles, has this windshield issue. This car has been a huge let down. My conclusion is that it should be priced at the low 40's. For the kind of money I paid, it is a total rip-off. Steering problems, it handles poorly, under powered, bad in the snow, creaks and rattles. This is my first and last Lexus. I have owned Audi, Cadillac, Mercedes and BMW - all of them blow this car away in virtually every catagory other than the sound system. Also, that "Lexus Service" that people here are always raving about...It's OK, but nothing that Mercedes and Cadillac don't provide. Cadillac was better. Audi was pathetic and I never had BMW service issues, so I don't know. Sorry to be so negative, but honestly, I am embarassed to own this car. People told me was taking a step down when I announced I was buying it, but I was sure that I wasn't. I was wrong."

Edited March 24, 2006 by regfootball

[titan]

jeesus, i might have to pop some popcorn and grab a beer.

hehehe, lmao...

[titan]

Theses problems are very surprising. My dad's new '06 GS300 hasn't given us any problems. Still I can't help but grin at this obvious chink in Lexus' armor.

[balthazar]

Doesn't sound like a 'low $40K' car but more like a $14K car.

[Newbiewar]

Doesn't sound like a 'low $40K' car but more like a $14K car.

sounds more like a used car then a 14k$ car...

heck even a 14k$ car shouldnt be leaking oil after 10k miles...

[balthazar]

Yeah- you're right!

What does that owner's comment say about the strength of the Rising Sun Kool-Aid??

[Dsuupr]

My $14,000 car has none of those problems at 27,500 miles.

[Drew Dowdell]

My 33k mile CTS <close GM competitor> hasn't has any problems except "chugging" under light throttle going uphill. Turned out to be an air filter that I never changed.

[sciguy_0504]

Wow, you guys have discovered that every car manufacturer has their share of problems. Congratulations!

[grandmarquis]

my trusty grand marquis is seeping a little bit of oil from the front crank seal, and the only interior rattle is from the driver's door when the window is open. did i mention it is a 91 and has 230k on it? and the drivetrain is original. the 89 deville i had several years back was totally rattle-free at 100k, and did not leak a drop of anything. so much for rising sun superiority.

[Northstar]

Wow, you guys have discovered that every car manufacturer has their share of problems.  Congratulations!

Yes, unfortunately most of the media hasn't figured that out or isn't admitting it. *cough* CR *cough*

[balthazar]

Wow, you guys have discovered that every car manufacturer has their share of problems.  Congratulations!

Oh "we" know it; the question is, do "you" guys know it?

[enzl]

Yes, unfortunately most of the media hasn't figured that out or isn't admitting it. *cough* CR *cough*

Correct. The reason is that this is a uniquely bad situation for Lexus, whereas the chorus of recalls (record numbers in the last few years) has been consistent for GM....again, the unbelieveable need for those on this site to drag others into the septic tank with GM's reputation is not only disappointing, its boring already.

The media isn't to blame for GM's problems...the media's negativity has been earned by the General....the perception of quality product will lag the reality of GM's current offerings for YEARS. Get over it.

BTW- a co-worker has had the same dash and windshield issues with his new GS. As a poster above stated: every car co. has its problem products. That's not news, folks!

Edited March 24, 2006 by enzl

[turbo200]

Correct. The reason is that this is a uniquely bad situation for Lexus, whereas the chorus of recalls (record numbers in the last few years) has been consistent for GM....again, the unbelieveable need for those on this site to drag others into the septic tank with GM's reputation is not only disappointing, its boring already.

brilliant, you are so right. unique problem to lexus, there's a reason they have incredible loyalty, toyota has legendary status, and they win awards, it's called the truth Edited March 24, 2006 by turbo200

[Flybrian]

Correct. The reason is that this is a uniquely bad situation for Lexus, whereas the chorus of recalls (record numbers in the last few years) has been consistent for GM....again, the unbelieveable need for those on this site to drag others into the septic tank with GM's reputation is not only disappointing, its boring already.

The number of recalls taken at face value is meaningless.

[sciguy_0504]

Yes, unfortunately most of the media hasn't figured that out or isn't admitting it. *cough* CR *cough*

Got that one right.

[Camino LS6]

Sorry I didn't find this most amusing thread earlier.

[Casket Demon]

wELL THANK god IT WASN'T A tOYOTA .

[Cadillacfan]

Wow, you guys have discovered that every car manufacturer has their share of problems.  Congratulations!

Though, since it's a Lexus.. it shouldn't have these problems... according to the automotive media.

You see, GM or Ford are criticized over and over again whenever they have problems.. yet Lexus and Toyota get a free pass even if they do make crap cars.

Why is this again? Could it be because there is no such thing as an objective journalist in the auto media anymore?

I certainly hope not but it looks like it.

[Drew Dowdell]

It's not media bias when what they write is true. But when the media lists an Impala's reliability as "questionable" and then also writes "Japanese durability" as a high point on a mitsubishi, then I'm going to question the media's biases.

Heck the CTS still has questionable reliability in CR yet that rating was based entirely on the 3.2 engine!

[CARBIZ]

And in all fairness, we should only be talking about Cadillac versus Lexus, not dragging all 80 some odd models of GM into the fray while comparing only Lexus. Lexus SHOULD be better than, say, Chevrolet at TWICE THE PRICE!

I have said this before, but it must be far easier to juggle 22 balls (the entire Toyota/Lexus line) than to juggle 80+ over at GM. Eventually, as Toyota/Lexus ad more models, they are bound to have more problems - it is a mathematical CERTAINTY.

I don't think anybody is gloating over Lexus' misfortune, only at the media's lack of attention to it.

[sciguy_0504]

If the media covered every single problem every car sold in the U.S. had our newspapers would be hundreds of pages in length and news shows would be hours long. They only pick up on stories for crash tests, recalls, interesting vehicles or when your company is bleeding red (or black) ink.

[toyoguy]

anyone can go to Cadillac forums and do the same exact thing.

engines shaking (3)

http://www.cadillacforums.com/forums/cadil...ne-shaking.html

strange "farting" noises (5)

http://www.cadillacforums.com/forums/cadil...assing-gas.html

broken dash tray

http://www.cadillacforums.com/forums/cadil...-wont-open.html

bluetooth compatability/VR issues

http://www.cadillacforums.com/forums/cadil...phone-help.html

http://www.cadillacforums.com/forums/cadil...sts-forum-2005-

beyond/67966-verizon-xv6700-bluetooth-problems.html

http://www.cadillacforums.com/forums/cadil...tooth-info.html

http://www.cadillacforums.com/forums/cadil...ooth-calls.html

failed door handle

http://www.cadillacforums.com/forums/cadil...ide-handle.html

broken widows (I'm not going to count them all)

http://www.cadillacforums.com/forums/cadil...-shattered.html

jerking issue

http://www.cadillacforums.com/forums/cadil...gishy-jerk.html

intrusive traction control (I thought the STS was a sportscar )

http://www.cadillacforums.com/forums/cadil...-some-time.html

griding brakes (he also has 4 other problems including broken window)

http://www.cadillacforums.com/forums/cadil...rake-rotor.html

multiple electrical problems

http://www.cadillacforums.com/forums/cadil...rake-rotor.html

quick scan of 3 out of 42 pages

Edited March 25, 2006 by toyoguy

[toyoguy]

http://www.clublexus.com/forums/showthread.php?t=202629

http://www.clublexus.com/forums/showthread.php?t=198954

http://www.clublexus.com/forums/showthread.php?t=206531

http://www.clublexus.com/forums/showthread.php?t=206423

http://www.clublexus.com/forums/showthread.php?t=195598

You went through the entire clublexus 3GS forum to find 5 problems, I found over 13 issues in the first 3 pages on the Cadillac board.

hmm, what does that tell you

Edited March 25, 2006 by toyoguy

[Ravenfreak13]

If any of thos "troubled" owners wants to get that lexus off their hands, they can always call me!

[Flybrian]

This is lame on both sides.

[sciguy_0504]

If any of thos "troubled" owners wants to get that lexus off their hands, they can always call me!

This is lame on both sides.

[Guest lance armstrong's Testicles]

This is lame on both sides.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

can I post some porn in here?

[BrewSwillis]

anyone can go to Cadillac forums and do the same exact thing.

quick scan of 3 out of 42 pages

You're comparing farting noises, broken windows, and grinding brakes....... to oil leaks, new transmissions, and rattle traps??

That's.....uhhh......almost......the same thing??

[Flybrian]

can I post some porn in here?

Are you Sixty8?

Then no.

[toyoguy]

You're comparing farting noises, broken windows, and grinding brakes....... to oil leaks, new transmissions, and rattle traps??

That's.....uhhh......almost......the same thing??

I searched the 1st three pages in the forum, if I wanted I can do a more intensive search, but I won't.

Pretty damn meaningless.

[Imaj]

You're comparing farting noises, broken windows, and grinding brakes....... to oil leaks, new transmissions, and rattle traps??

That's.....uhhh......almost......the same thing??  

put problems are problems

anyone can go to Cadillac forums and do the same exact thing.

engines shaking (3)

http://www.cadillacforums.com/forums/cadil...ne-shaking.html

strange "farting" noises (5)

http://www.cadillacforums.com/forums/cadil...assing-gas.html

broken dash tray

http://www.cadillacforums.com/forums/cadil...-wont-open.html

bluetooth compatability/VR issues

http://www.cadillacforums.com/forums/cadil...phone-help.html

http://www.cadillacforums.com/forums/cadil...sts-forum-2005-

beyond/67966-verizon-xv6700-bluetooth-problems.html

http://www.cadillacforums.com/forums/cadil...tooth-info.html

http://www.cadillacforums.com/forums/cadil...ooth-calls.html

failed door handle

http://www.cadillacforums.com/forums/cadil...ide-handle.html

broken widows (I'm not going to count them all)

http://www.cadillacforums.com/forums/cadil...-shattered.html

jerking issue

http://www.cadillacforums.com/forums/cadil...gishy-jerk.html

intrusive traction control (I thought the STS was a sportscar )

http://www.cadillacforums.com/forums/cadil...-some-time.html

griding brakes (he also has 4 other problems including broken window)

http://www.cadillacforums.com/forums/cadil...rake-rotor.html

multiple electrical problems

http://www.cadillacforums.com/forums/cadil...rake-rotor.html

quick scan of 3 out of 42 pages

let's not get offtopic!

Edited March 26, 2006 by Imaj

[Sixty8panther]

Sorry to cut in on your thread...I know my car is 11 years old and isn't a gs but I want to vent. I needed the vlave cover seals replaced at around 50K miles and now, 2 weeks ago the rear main seal had to be replaced at 61K miles. I expected more from a lexus engine. Now you're having a leak on a new car?

XP just replaced the semi-leaky valve cover gaskets on his 72,000 mile Cutlass Supreme.

But that's a 30 year old car as of this August.

I replaced the valvecover gaskets on my 1986 Fleetwood Brougham at about 180,000 miles. And that was on a &#036;h&#33;ty Old 307 motor.

[Sixty8panther]

Are you Sixty8?

Then no.

Leave me out of this one.

two pu$$ys, spread eagle

[balthazar]

My 12-yr old Ford (141K) has it's original valve cover gasket & rear main seal (another RWD/inline 6). In fact the only seal ever replaced on the motor was the pan gasket at around 95K.

Sad day when you overpay for a car by tens of thousands and you have more problems than a $15K pick-up. These 'top shelf' cars ALWAYS fail to live up to the hype....

[Flybrian]

Sad day when you overpay for a car by tens of thousands and you have more problems than a $15K pick-up. These 'top shelf' cars ALWAYS fail to live up to the hype....

But, if you think about it, a broken hybrid saves a lot of gas.

[balthazar]

The media isn't to blame for GM's problems...the media's negativity has been earned by the General....the perception of quality product will lag the reality of GM's current offerings for YEARS.

If the media's "negativity" was earned by GM's past poor products, then it's 'positivity' should be evident due to class equal products now in place. That is, if any measure of objectivity is involved.

In the same vein, where was the "negativity" lingering years after hondas rotted to the door handles at 10 yrs old? Or more recently- the 'negativity' over one of the most wretched quality brands ever; hyundai??? That was only a handful of years ago; we should be reading openly disparaging remarks and generalizing slander until the year 2020 AT LEAST!!

Not the case.

[carstar]

wow just one car bring an entire brand to the mud.

[ponchoman49]

I searched the 1st three pages in the forum, if I wanted I can do a more intensive search, but I won't.

Pretty damn meaningless.

As are your posts!

[enzl]

If the media's "negativity" was earned by GM's past poor products, then it's 'positivity' should be evident due to class equal products now in place. That is, if any measure of objectivity is involved.

In the same vein, where was the "negativity" lingering years after hondas rotted to the door handles at 10 yrs old? Or more recently- the 'negativity' over one of the most wretched quality brands ever; hyundai??? That was only a handful of years ago; we should be reading openly disparaging remarks and generalizing slander until the year 2020 AT LEAST!!

Not the case.

As we've argued (exhaustively) before, the General is (actually, was) one of the world's richest, most profitable and, arguably, most respected companies....

They squandered it, completely. They took every competitive advantage and found a way to lose them. Look, I understand that you're a fan and, to your credit, a knowledgeable one, but I am too and I feel betrayed by the years of crap product, indifferent quality and an f-u attitude that, while lessened by their current turn in the barrel, hasn't been completely eliminated. (want proof? Which chief executive in the Fortune 500 would have survived given the performance of the past few years? Answer: None (with the possible exceptions of Walton family or Ford family)

Hyundai has had a few million cars on the road in this country. GM has had, probably, 100's of millions...thus those with personal experience with the myriad of debacles...recent (GMT800 recalls in the millions) or past (X-car, V-8-6-4)...that's alot of people to piss off and thus makes them ripe to receive the 'negative' press with open arms.

[turbo200]

don't forget they're also a legendary company that has served as a boon to our economy and served as a symbol of US manufacturing. it's the loving parent syndrome, or loving child, either way you like it, GM has a lot to criticize about it, too many poor decisions, our objective is do we have enough time to document it all...

[enzl]

don't forget they're also a legendary company that has served as a boon to our economy and served as a symbol of US manufacturing. it's the loving parent syndrome, or loving child, either way you like it, GM has a lot to criticize about it, too many poor decisions, our objective is do we have enough time to document it all...

Please see my rant in the latest Escalade complaint fest....to summarize my position once and for all.

http://www.cheersandgears.com/forums/index...=0entry113667

Thanks for the support.