New Challenger pics!!!!!!!!!!

[regfootball]

that interior is bad. its like no better than it was in the 60's. the exterior i am ok with,but its tacky interiors like that that continue to make US cars look like junkpiles in the eyes of a lot of shoppers. or maybe its just that it looks chrysler cheap. Edited December 22, 2005 by regfootball

[ocnblu]

Look at the interior in any year Roadrunner. With Mopar muscle, it's been a sort of tradition to put their money into the mechanical bits. Chrysler built some fast, durable cars during the Musclecar Era. This new Challenger continues that focused tradition... HEMI, BAYBEE!!!

Still, I like the interior, with the console tilted toward the driver, the Pistol Grip shifter, and the same general dash and door panel theme as the original car. Awesome.

[jbartley]

while the challenger makes me naseaous... i look forward with great anticipation when each of the big three have their muscle cars again. Mustang, Challanger, Camaro, and a more aggressive GTO can race around the block again.

[jbartley]

while the challenger makes me naseaous... i look forward with great anticipation when each of the big three have their muscle cars again. Mustang, Challanger, and Camaro can race around the block together... Can someone delete my messed up post? Edited December 22, 2005 by jbartley

[Sixty8panther]

Waaaaay off topic but Dave, when you're in Detroit you have GOT to arrange a meeting with this "Backseat Betty"...she's gotta be 18 now.  B)

http://www.mph-online.com/mag/bettys/003

[post="61927"]<{POST_SNAPBACK}>[/post]

Nice legs, not so great hair do.... :blink:

[Sixty8panther]

It'll be so cool when Mustang is joined by Challenger and Camaro again.  They all make import lovers look like such pussies.  Yeah, I said it.  Now what? :angry:  :AH-HA_wink:

[post="62158"]<{POST_SNAPBACK}>[/post]

:cheers: :CG_all: :metal: :)

YES!!! so true. (except my daily driver right now is a Datsun) Edited December 22, 2005 by Sixty8panther

[Cory Wolfe]

Look at the interior in any year Roadrunner.  With Mopar muscle, it's been a sort of tradition to put their money into the mechanical bits.  Chrysler built some fast, durable cars during the Musclecar Era.  This new Challenger continues that focused tradition... HEMI, BAYBEE!!! 

Still, I like the interior, with the console tilted toward the driver, the Pistol Grip shifter, and the same general dash and door panel theme as the original car.  Awesome.

[post="62305"]<{POST_SNAPBACK}>[/post]

Not a real HEMI, baybee!!

Anyways, have I said how much this interior looks like ass? I think my 95 GAGT has a better interior...

[BrewSwillis]

:lol: HATERS!! I think this car has one of the coolest interiors I've ever seen. It really matches the exterior, and they didn't feel the need to use stupid fake wood. If they do ever build a new Camaro, it will will be much more expensive than the Mustang, and Challenger.....and will die again after a few years. And if it looks like that clay mock-up/rendering picture......it will be lame. (p.s., I really think the new Camaro will be cool)

[torobud]

Holy 'lots of haters' Batman!

I agree. It's still way too early to be talking about pricing, but logic dictates a similar pricing scale to what we've already been shown. Stuffing the 6.1 into the Challenger for 28k effectively makes the 40k SRT Charger and 300 obselete. Besides two-doors, those cars wouldn't offer much more than it

There would not be much competion between $38K Charger/Magnum SRT-8 or the $42.6K 300 SRT-8 compared to a $28K Challenger R/T - there are many people that wouldn't even consider some of the other options but might like the Challenger - Parts bin technology helps to keep all of the prices (and PROFITS) competitive

How will the frameless windows affect the crash results.

I must have missed the day in engineering school where glass helped side impacts - frameless windows seem to be working just fine for MB so I think they will be ok on a Dodge - Beside the look of a REAL hardtop makes it worth the design work - hands down

(This has GOT to be my biggest post ever! :P )

[torobud]

I forgot the other thing too - Pilarless window glass makes it very easy to come back with a drop top next year at Detroit.... :P

[Chicagoland]

"...that interior is bad. its like no better than it was in the 60's." There were no Dodge Challengers before 1970 model year. Also, muscle car buyers are not "Honda Fanatic" sissies who nit pick interior parts to death.

[pow]

"...that interior is bad. its like no better than it was in the 60's."

There were no Dodge Challengers before 1970 model year.

Also, muscle car buyers are not "Honda Fanatic" sissies who nit pick interior parts to death.

[post="62481"]<{POST_SNAPBACK}>[/post]

I don't know, it just looks bad, like something designed at the last minute by a high school student. The Ford GT's interior is retro, too, but it looks professionally done.

[mustang84]

I love it all. BUILD IT! I guess the only thing I would change is the instrument cluster...I don't really like the fact that it's a big rectangle, but I love the rectangular look of the rest of the dash. The seats are cool as hell too...very 1970s. It's going to be a tough choice for me in the next few years when I'm in the market for a new car....Mustang, Camaro, or Challenger?

[Sixty8panther]

Found on Google... thought I'd share. :)

[The O.C.]

I think it's HOT....and I love it..... But I'm worried that GM may be caught kinda flat-footed in the performance department with the new Camaro..... IF we assume that Challenger will have a 5.7L with 340hp and a 6.1L with 425hp......will Camaro be able to compete with a 5.3L with 303hp and a 6.0L LS2 with "only" 400hp? I'm hoping that Chevy has a (production) trick up its sleeve......

[Northstar]

I wouldn't worry about the Camaro's power numbers. The 'Vette is getting a new 6.2L engine with VVT and other upgrades and will easily be able to make 430HP, and there's no reason why the top Camaro couldn't share that (I'm not sure when it's coming, but certainly by the time the Camaro is out). The 5.3L is also capable of plenty more than 303HP as seen in the Impy SS. A 5.3 with the same HP/L as the LS2 would have over 350HP.

[BrewSwillis]

Someone found a build sheet for future Mopars, and the 5.7L HEMI will be getting VVT next year also. No horsepower estimates yet though.

[Hogans_Heroes]

The front is good but I don't care much for the rest. I think I'll take a Camaro or new GTO.

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Northstar, just a question. What can I infer from your signature Solstice photo shot? B) Edited December 23, 2005 by Hogans_Heroes

[Northstar]

Northstar, just a question.  What can I infer from your signature Solstice photo shot?  B)

[post="62814"]<{POST_SNAPBACK}>[/post]

Umm, not a whole lot I guess, it's just a pic from Autoweek of the Mallet Solstice.

[andretti]

I wouldn't worry about the Camaro's power numbers.

[post="62621"]<{POST_SNAPBACK}>[/post]

I wouldn't worry about the power either, as by the time we see a Camaro at the dealers (2011?) so many things will have changed in the market that power will be the least of the issues with the Camaro to worry about.

[Turbojett]

I think it looks great! Bad ass car. I just have qualms about it looking so retro. It looks too much like Boyd Coddington or Chip Foose got a hold of a '70 and hot-rodded it, than if Dodge actually designed a new one from scratch. Oh well. It's not that big a deal. It's coming, and it looks oh-so badass.

[FRANKENSTEIN]

The more i see of this car the more i will have one, again GM thanks for killing the F-cars :( P.S. why are people worried about the power of the camaro, it's never coming out so what's to worry about :(

[Hogans_Heroes]

Umm, not a whole lot I guess, it's just a pic from Autoweek of the Mallet Solstice.

[post="62818"]<{POST_SNAPBACK}>[/post]

Gotcha... it occurred to me looking at it that it may have been taken from above the Crain's Communications building on I-375. Thought maybe you'd taken it yourself and worked at Automotive News or something. But then I looked at your profile and saw you were younger and in Illinois, not Michigan.

Merry Christmas,
HH

[Angry Dad]

I wouldn't worry about the power either, as by the time we see a Camaro at the dealers (2011?) so many things will have changed in the market  that power will be the least of the issues with the Camaro to worry about.

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Considering the timeline set by Kappa, I believe your estimate is way out of line. I think GM already has a plant for production slated for the platform. Camaro won't go alone. But the "brother car" will not be a Firebird.

[BlkHhr104]

Is there going to be a Challenger convrt. ?

[-Camaro-]

Considering the timeline set by Kappa, I believe your estimate is way out of line. I think GM already has a plant for production slated for the platform. Camaro won't go alone. But the "brother car" will not be a Firebird.

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What makes you so sure? It had better be a Pontiac atleast. Better not be a Saturn. A Buick "brother car" would be awesome though! Either Pontiac or Buick. No Saturn Camaro.

[mute]

look its the new mercury capri concept !!!!!!



lol think they look similair?

ugly front everything else should be cleaned up
not too bad tho i guess

[mphmag]

Is there going to be a Challenger convrt. ?

[post="63322"]<{POST_SNAPBACK}>[/post]

The Challenger concept was built to accommodate a convertible from the start. So that would lead one to believe if they build it they will build the vert too.

[BrewSwillis]

Additional scans from Car&Driver:






Credit to SweptlineLover on Allpar.com forums

[torobud]

The Challenger concept was built to accommodate a convertible from the start. So that would lead one to believe if they build it they will build the vert too.

[post="63752"]<{POST_SNAPBACK}>[/post]

Being a B-pillarless coupe seems to help that out a little bit... :) Edited December 27, 2005 by torobud

[georgejetson]

What makes you so sure? It had better be a Pontiac atleast. Better not be a Saturn. A Buick "brother car" would be awesome though! Either Pontiac or Buick. No Saturn Camaro.

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GTO, I suspect.

[Northstar]

I just got my C&D today and I didn't read the whole article but looked at some of the specs. The Challenger is bigger than a Charger or 300, at nearly 198 inches long, and weighs 4100 lbs :o I think the weight and large size will turn off some enthusiasts right away.

[NOS2006]

Especially when they see a Camaro that's 700 lbs lighter at the same power!

[Northstar]

I wouldn't expect the Camaro to be 3400lbs (the C6 is 3200 and it only has two seats), but probably 3600 or less, and 500lbs is still a huge difference.

[siegen]

Looks very nice. Showed it to the guys at the shop and they like it a lot (and two of them are big Chevy guys). What's so great about a "Hemi" anyways? :blink: If I have to sit through more Dodge "Hemi" commercials, I'm going to go insane. :wacko:

[BrewSwillis]

What's so great about a "Hemi" anyways? :blink:

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It's cheap, light, fuel efficient (with MDS), and makes 340 or 425 HP.

[torobud]

It's cheap, light, fuel efficient (with MDS), and makes 340 or 425 HP.

[post="64182"]<{POST_SNAPBACK}>[/post]

That pretty much sums it up right there...

[siegen]

It's cheap, light, fuel efficient (with MDS), and makes 340 or 425 HP.

[post="64182"]<{POST_SNAPBACK}>[/post]

The way Dodge advertises it though, you'd think it was something amazing. Has the design changed much since it was originally introduced for automotive engines?

[Morrinn]

Well that thing just looks all kinds of glorious doesn't it!! I feel something is a tiny bit off with the 3/4 front pic, but it's still utterly gorgeous. I'm a GM fan all the way personally, but that Challenger has to be one of the top 5 best looking cars on the road (or soon to be on the road) today, regardless of the price! From what I've seen of the spy pics the Camaro will be one helluva looker too, but until I can check it out more closely the Challenger is definitely ahead as far as looks go. Makes the very-handsome Mustang all of a sudden look a bit second-rate...

[NOS2006]

I wouldn't expect the Camaro to be 3400lbs (the C6 is 3200 and it only has two seats), but probably 3600 or less, and 500lbs is still a huge difference.

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It better not be a damn pound over 3425. If you know what I mean.

[Northstar]

It better not be a damn pound over 3425. If you know what I mean.

[post="64550"]<{POST_SNAPBACK}>[/post]

Well, from what I've read IRS is a good bit heavier than a live rear axle as the Mustang has, plus by 2009 cars will have even more things that add weight to them. If you get a Camaro at 3500lbs you should be happy. The GT500 convert weighs 4000lbs, so it's possible a top-of-the-line Camaro convert could have a similar number.

The GTO weighs 37xx with IRS and is a little bit bigger than a Camaro would be, but I don't see how they're going to take off 300 lbs without significantly reducing the size or adding lots of aluminum (which they won't because of cost).

[BrewSwillis]

Magazine scan:

http://www.allpar.com/forums/index.php?act...ype=post&id=516

[NOS2006]

The more I see it, the more I like it..

[mphmag]

I just got my C&D today and I didn't read the whole article but looked at some of the specs. The Challenger is bigger than a Charger or 300, at nearly 198 inches long, and weighs 4100 lbs  :o

I think the weight and large size will turn off some enthusiasts right away.

[post="64024"]<{POST_SNAPBACK}>[/post]

The wheelbase is 4 inches SHORTER than the 300C/Charger.

It is 6 inches longer than the ORIGINAL Challenger.

Overall a little under 3 inches shorter than a NEW Charger.

[CSpec]

The shape is very un-sporty. It looks very fat and heavy-handed (like the other LX cars). This may steal some Charger and Mustang sales, but I highly doubt it will be a smash hit.

[Petra]

Say what you will about the interior, but that is one cool centre stack. It reminds me of the Avalon, as well as the 1980's-era Nissan 300ZX.

[ehaase]

I like big fast coupes, so I have no problem with size of this car. I won't be surprised if the Camaro ends up being not much smaller than this. Edited January 2, 2006 by ehaase

[Mule Bakersdozen LS]

Yeah that Challenger is way too long, and its styling much too retro I think. If they had down a Viper-style side swoop and stolen its front end, then the Challenger would be a much better looking vehicle-and chop it to 110" wheelbase, and even then that's a stretch, let alone 113 or 116" versions. Its just inefficient and appropriate for a Charger sedan, not a Challenger or even a mid-size rear-drive Mopar (note that the B-Bodies until 1991 had a 116.0" wheelbase and they were roomy large cars, yet still had the familiar rear-drive look to it, with space between the front wheel opening and leading edge of the front doors).

[Robert Hall]

I like the design and the size.... the length, width and weight are appropriate as it is an American car, and we have the biggest & fattest people in the world, so why not be true to our heritage of big and fat cars ?? :D

[Chazman]

One major problem with this Challenger concept, it's HUGE!!!  It's almost 200-inches long, it's longer than the 300!  They chopped about 4-inches out of the wheelbase, but a lot more will have to be chopped out of the length for production.

[post="66398"]<{POST_SNAPBACK}>[/post]

I was shocked by it's size. Frankly I was expecting something about the size of a GTO. It never even occured to me that the Challenger might end up being 300C sized. This car is a fullsized coupe, in the same vein as a Polara hardtop......certainly NOT a ponycar. Not saying if that's good or bad, just the way it is. I'm interested to see what it looks like in the flesh next week.

Let's hope GM is MUCH more sensitive with size and weight with the Camaro's execution though.