I rode in a brand new Corolla XLE yesterday

[z28luvr01]

Just for the record:

The current Corolla is a hideous pile

The previous Corolla is a hideous pile

The Corolla before that is a hideous pile

And I make no apologies for my statements.

[z28luvr01]

One thing's for sure, tomorrow's announcement is going to have several people on this site cheering. I hope I'm one of them.

[Camino LS6]

One thing's for sure, tomorrow's announcement is going to have several people on this site cheering. I hope I'm one of them.

So do I.

[Daryl Z71]

Just for the record:

The current Corolla is a hideous pile

The previous Corolla is a hideous pile

The Corolla before that is a hideous pile

And I make no apologies for my statements.

Lmao I love honesty!

[ocnblu]

I hope you're cheering too, z.

[Intrepidation]

Hey FOG, nice new avatar...didn't recognize you at first.

[Daryl Z71]

One thing's for sure, tomorrow's announcement is going to have several people on this site cheering. I hope I'm one of them.

Is this a potential good announcement?

[Intrepidation]

Also, I'm amazed that, as boring as it is, a Corolla thread has made it to page 6.

[FAPTurbo]

And yet the 'Random' thread dies in 5.

[Daryl Z71]

And yet the 'Random' thread dies in 5.

My Toys thread died in 1 lol!

[K.C.]

So, let me get this straight. What people are trying to say here is that the Corolla sucks.

[Camino LS6]

That would be the bottom line.

[ShadowDog]

If buying a car for good resale value after 3-5 years is smart;

and a Corolla has good resale value;

and if you buy one, you're stupid;

does Einstein's brain explode trying to solve the Camino-logic equation?

[Camino LS6]

"Based on resale" wasn't part of my assertion.

And I stand by that assertion.

[Intrepidation]

You're not stupid for buying a Corolla if you want something from A to B, reliable and holds it's value...something Corollas are good at.

If you buy t because you think it's sporty than yeah you need your head examined.

The Cobalt is the same way (minus the resale value. It's economical, and fairly reliable. But ocn isn't stupid for buying one, even though there are superior entries out there to both cars.

and remember: Friends don't let friends drive Echos.

[Intrepidation]

Or ask BV, he didn't buy the Cobalt because it was exciting, well equipped, and had a nicer interior...he bought it because it would be (hopefully) economical and reliable.

[balthazar]

The idea presented here that job specs, education level, income level or anything else is always or even often intentionally reflected in a particular car purchase.... and likewise that a particular car purchase is a reflection in reverse of the buyer is amazingly naive. As enthusiasts, I would expect the collective 'we' would have seen thru that while just 'car babies'.

[gm4life]

What does that make people who support American workers by buying Canadian-built CUVs with Chinese-made engines?

Well then what I have to say to you is, I made a choice to support an American car company, keep in mind we are on a GM FORUM. If you have such a problem with my North American made CUV from Pontiac a General Motors division then go some place else. Why the cheap shots? Honestly, I am not going to bring up your daily driver. (That I dislike.)

[gm4life]

You're not stupid for buying a Corolla if you want something from A to B, reliable and holds it's value...something Corollas are good at.

If you buy t because you think it's sporty than yeah you need your head examined.

The Cobalt is the same way (minus the resale value. It's economical, and fairly reliable. But ocn isn't stupid for buying one, even though there are superior entries out there to both cars.

and remember: Friends don't let friends drive Echos.

My thing if you really are looking for a better car than the new 09 and up Corolla, then get a Mazda 3, Ford Focus or Honda Civic. All much better and more appealing choices.

[gm4life]

People who only buy American made even if it's not made in America and the product is inferior are stupid.

I did test drive a Rav-4 just for fun before I got my CUV. Just to see the bench-mark and it didn't impress me. Nor did its pug like styling and its 4 cylinder and 4 speed automatic powertrain combo. At least my Torrent moves, even if the motor was made in China. I buy GM because I tend to like there products and have had GOOD luck with them. Sure I am loyal but many Toyota owners are too who ONLY blindly consider Toyota, hell they don't even test drive anything but a Toyota. I drove a Rav like I said just for the hell of it. When I got my Impala I drove an Accord and a Century to compare as well. My Bonneville, well uhhhh I wanted one since I sold my '77 in '90 so I just got it.

Edited April 27, 2009 by gm4life

[Blake Noble]

What about Yaris fans, though? Or Scionities?

I would take offense to that, but my girlfriend totalled her tC shortly before she met me.

She wants a Wrangler. Go figure.

[Blake Noble]

BTW: This thread = negative vibes.

I don't like a single part of it.

[Intrepidation]

I did test drive a Rav-4 just for fun before I got my CUV. Just to see the bench-mark and it didn't impress me. Nor did its pug like styling and its 4 cylinder and 4 speed automatic powertrain combo. At least my Torrent moves, even if the motor was made in China. I buy GM because I tend to like there products and have had GOOD luck with them. Sure I am loyal but many Toyota owners are too who ONLY blindly consider Toyota, hell they don't even test drive anything but a Toyota. I drove a Rav like I said just for the hell of it. When I got my Impala I drove an Accord and a Century to compare as well. My Bonneville, well uhhhh I wanted one since I sold my '77 in '90 so I just got it.

FYI I was just being an asshole. :wink:

BTW: This thread = negative vibes.

I don't like a single part of it.

You don't want the Vibe of EXCITEMENT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!???????????????????????????

[Drew Dowdell]

You're not stupid for buying a Corolla if you want something from A to B, reliable and holds it's value...something Corollas are good at.

If you buy t because you think it's sporty than yeah you need your head examined.

The Cobalt is the same way (minus the resale value. It's economical, and fairly reliable. But ocn isn't stupid for buying one, even though there are superior entries out there to both cars.

and remember: Friends don't let friends drive Echos.

At MSRP the Cobalt's TCO after 5 years is only $2k more than a Corolla. $1,300 of that is in insurance difference.

Who pays MSRP for a Cobalt?

[CaddyXLR-V]

Frankly I don't care what it "sounds like" to you, Satty.

Yep, that was from the same person who stated people who buy Pontiacs are "tricked" into thinking they are "EXCITEMENT!!!"

As stated in the thread comparing the GTO to a Cavalier, everyone is allowed to have opinions. Allow Camino to have his.

[G. David Felt]

Over all Corolla is an Eco Box, whether you like Asian built, European Built or American Built Auto's, these type of cars are usually frugal, cheap and nothing impressive.

On a personal Note, even though the auto is not built in america, I would still SUPPORT GM as the profits stay with an American Company here and will tend to support American jobs rather than buy from toyota and have the profits go back to Japan as an example.

Over All, I would suggest and recomment a cobalt ove the Corolla any day.

[Cory Wolfe]

DF and Camino were grumpy last night, I see.

Or ask BV, he didn't buy the Cobalt because it was exciting, well equipped, and had a nicer interior...he bought it because it would be (hopefully) economical and reliable.

True, but not completely so. The biggest reason I bought the Cobalt was for the deal and the possibility of reliability that would save me money. So far, the latter part isn't off to the greatest start.

Edited April 28, 2009 by blackviper8891

[Intrepidation]

I blame the heat, it was f***ing 92 degrees yesterday!

[Cory Wolfe]

I blame the heat, it was f***ing 92 degrees yesterday!

I love the heat. It makes me happy.

[Intrepidation]

I love the heat. It makes me happy.

I like it to be about 65 degrees outside and 70 inside. 90 in April with the A/C not installed makes me grumpy...and lazy.

[Robert Hall]

I like it to be about 65 degrees outside and 70 inside. 90 in April with the A/C not installed makes me grumpy...and lazy.

You wouldn't like 100 in April, then? Had a couple 100 degree days here last week. And it snowed in Denver today. I'll be back in Denver for a long weekend later this week, looking forward to the cooler weather.

[Intrepidation]

You wouldn't like 100 in April, then? Had a couple 100 degree days here last week. And it snowed in Denver today. I'll be back in Denver for a long weekend later this week, looking forward to the cooler weather.

If you've got a/c and a pol I'd be fine.

If I've got a pool to swim in I welcome the heat..as I'll be swimming all day (I love to swim).

[Robert Hall]

If you've got a/c and a pol I'd be fine.

If I've got a pool to swim in I welcome the heat..as I'll be swimming all day (I love to swim).

Got both...I wouldn't live in AZ without a pool...have a nice big one--has a diving board, is about 25x15 or so, 12 feet deep or so at the deep end.

[Intrepidation]

Got both...I wouldn't live in AZ without a pool...have a nice big one--has a diving board, is about 25x15 or so, 12 feet deep or so at the deep end.

Well then I'd be all set.

[regfootball]

So we're stupid because we have one. Boy that's an intelligent assessment.

I owned a chevy prizm for three years and rejoiced the day i got rid of it. a new 99 which i had for 3 years.

truly a less than satisfying car.

[Intrepidation]

I owned a chevy prizm for three years and rejoiced the day i got rid of it. a new 99 which i had for 3 years.

truly a less than satisfying car.

Ford Escort, Chevy Cavalier, Dodge Neon, or Geo Prizm/Toyota Corolla between `93 and `97....yeah I know which one I'd rather live with.

[regfootball]

I don't get why the resale value is so good. Its a throw away car. Drive it, save gas, trade it. I mean its not worth fixing IMO like say a pickup truck is. You could fix it all up after it is worn out, but what can you do with it? Drive it, haul people save gas? Again IMO when it comes to MOST cars it's just better to pick up a new one.

i don't think the media has told the masses that the unthinkable has already happened. the last few years of whoring cheap toyota leases has meant that their resale is in the $h!ter now too.

[regfootball]

Huge difference between 2 years and 10 years...

Even more importantly, I don't see sales ever recovering to pre-recession levels.

For better or for worse (that's a whole new debate), we are moving away from private car ownership in this society.

The times we live in are the genesis of major systemic change, much of which I suspect most of us will dislike.

you'll start to see folks wise up by that tuesday in nov., 2010 which will foretell what will occur on that tuesday in nov, 2012.

by then, green will be 'out', and we'll have people re-prioritizing what's important.

[regfootball]

I did test drive a Rav-4 just for fun before I got my CUV. Just to see the bench-mark and it didn't impress me. Nor did its pug like styling and its 4 cylinder and 4 speed automatic powertrain combo. At least my Torrent moves, even if the motor was made in China. I buy GM because I tend to like there products and have had GOOD luck with them. Sure I am loyal but many Toyota owners are too who ONLY blindly consider Toyota, hell they don't even test drive anything but a Toyota. I drove a Rav like I said just for the hell of it. When I got my Impala I drove an Accord and a Century to compare as well. My Bonneville, well uhhhh I wanted one since I sold my '77 in '90 so I just got it.

RAV4 rental i had once sucked ass too. its a tin box. with a cheap interior.

[Drew Dowdell]

you'll start to see folks wise up by that tuesday in nov., 2010 which will foretell what will occur on that tuesday in nov, 2012.

by then, green will be 'out', and we'll have people re-prioritizing what's important.

You think? The $4,700 in incentives Toyota has on the Pruis here in Pittsburgh lead me to believe it's not the environmental shade of green people will be prioritizing about. It'll be Greenback green.

We're moving away from a private car ownership society not for reasons of oil but for lack of money. Oil prices are way down yet public transit ridership is still up. Demand destruction.

[regfootball]

the citizens of this country will wise up and realize that they appreciate freedom of mobility. one thing that our leaders or business leaders need to do is make things besides oil commercially viable.

People hopped on the goregreen bandwagon because they were made to feel socially irresponsible if they chose not to. now that people have found the economic price associated with a sentiment and ad campaign, that is the reprioritizing. Yet we are Americans, the families still want to drive on vacations in a spacious vehicle, people still want vehicles of a certain size in this country. Technology and the money part will have to meet in a new middle, and we have to start to rely less on OPEC.

That is why subsidizing ethanol is maybe not entirely bad. Its a start. Now keep going on solar, electric, wind, hydrogen, nuclear.

But all that stuff will take forever and people are not going to downsize forever. At some point they want the depression to be over and to be able to drive something besides a Fiesta. Small cars will never be the savior in the US market because there is always a price stigma (small = cheap) and you will not be able to change that with everyone in this country.

The cars that will become staple cars of the US market will be the midsizers (not that are not already). It wouldn't hurt if we had say a FUsion (hybrid!) wagon available to us as a fuel efficient family hauler. Or a Fusion coupe. The Epsilon platform could cover 2/3 of GM's cars if they planned wisely.

Corolla is on the cusp of being sizable enough though to serve as a second family car, or a great car for singles and couples so I guess in that regard its why its a success but people are only going to ever pay so much for one, no matter how good you make it. that, or the cruze.

Edited April 28, 2009 by regfootball

[pow]

The Corolla isn't a car for enthusiasts, not even the XRS model, but I can see its appeal to people who just want a comfortable, reliable, quiet, and economical set of wheels. The interior is nice for a $15,000 car. Lots of room in the back, too.

Edited April 30, 2009 by empowah

[daves87rs]

FYI I was just being an asshole. :wink:

You don't want the Vibe of EXCITEMENT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!???????????????????????????

[CaddyXLR-V]

the citizens of this country will wise up and realize that they appreciate freedom of mobility. one thing that our leaders or business leaders need to do is make things besides oil commercially viable.

People hopped on the goregreen bandwagon because they were made to feel socially irresponsible if they chose not to. now that people have found the economic price associated with a sentiment and ad campaign, that is the reprioritizing. Yet we are Americans, the families still want to drive on vacations in a spacious vehicle, people still want vehicles of a certain size in this country. Technology and the money part will have to meet in a new middle, and we have to start to rely less on OPEC.

That is why subsidizing ethanol is maybe not entirely bad. Its a start. Now keep going on solar, electric, wind, hydrogen, nuclear.

But all that stuff will take forever and people are not going to downsize forever. At some point they want the depression to be over and to be able to drive something besides a Fiesta. Small cars will never be the savior in the US market because there is always a price stigma (small = cheap) and you will not be able to change that with everyone in this country.

The cars that will become staple cars of the US market will be the midsizers (not that are not already). It wouldn't hurt if we had say a FUsion (hybrid!) wagon available to us as a fuel efficient family hauler. Or a Fusion coupe. The Epsilon platform could cover 2/3 of GM's cars if they planned wisely.

Corolla is on the cusp of being sizable enough though to serve as a second family car, or a great car for singles and couples so I guess in that regard its why its a success but people are only going to ever pay so much for one, no matter how good you make it. that, or the cruze.

Exactly. With the size of the US, there is no way we will have a mass transit system like much of Europe has. There will always be trucks, because there are still rural areas, dirt roads, mountainous areas that snow, people that need them to tow. So if there will always be trucks, do you want to be the one driving around in a Smart that gets run over by an F350? Do you want to stuff a family of 5 into an Aveo? Do you want to try to merge into 55+mph traffic with an 85hp subcompact? At some point, Americans are going to say enough is enough.

[SingleStylish]

Never discount the pandering ethic of a homogeneous experience. Like Disney World. Hannah What's-her-name and the Jonas Brothers.

Isn't that the truth... lets add Microsoft to homgeneous experience as well. Perhaps that is why Ford picked them up?