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Actual animated anime: creepy? yes; quite.

Still-drawn anime (I assume this is what's called magna, tho I could be off) is moreso wretchedly bad, visually. IE; the artwork is just terrible; flat, lifeless, poor proportions, there's really nothing I can point to that's 'good'.

Ironic IMO: as much as movies in general have improved visually, comic art has generally gone the completely opposite direction, esp the 'anime' style. I wonder to what degree computerization plays in this, I suspect it's a LOT.

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I know this is out of the blue, but anime creeps me out.

Anyone else?

Not saying it's bad or anything, just that I get a very creepy vibe from it.

Creeps me out too. Doesn't it remind you of those creepy cheap ass cartoons imported from Japan, like Speed Racer, Gigantor, and Kimba the White Lion? That were always just badddddd ...

Ahhh the 70's how I miss them ... :P

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I've never gotten into manga (the books) or anime (the cartoons)...I think there is a generational angle, mostly seems to be the under 30 crowd that is into it... though I do have a friend that is 40 and into it, but she is of Okinawan ancestry and grew up reading it, so that's understandable.

I'll admit, though, I've never been a comic book fan...I largely missed out on comic books and video games growing up, always preferred more tactile hobbies like building model cars and collecting diecast cars. Though I do read a lot, just not comic books or graphic novels.

I did like Speed Racer as a kid, though... and I have seen the Initial-D live-action movie (though it was an HK production rather than Japanese).

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it can get really weird stupid fast. there have been several shows that i have liked. The first being robotech. that show was great... the macross and southern cross are my favs. thanks to cartoon network i got into dragonball z, gundam, tenchi muyo, hehe the list goes on. adult swim used to be known for the high quality anime for adults until it cowtowed to the stoners. ruroni kenshin was good as well as cowboy bebop. death note is odd, but bleach and code geas are well thought out.

but there are mainstay movies too, akira is the top of the list along with ninja scroll hehe.

and no i am not an otaku

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I used to watch Voltron and Robotech when Toonami first aired on CN. But after my parents cancelled our cable subscription I developed an intense aversion to all manga/anime. I have tried to become more tolerant of the stuff, but mostly it still makes me very uncomfortable.

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As was said above, it depends upon which kind. I'm into anime that has good writing, fantasy stories like El-Hazard or imaginative like The Wings of Honneamise. Armittage the 3rd (or III) with Keifer Sutherland and Elizabeth Berkley was interesting. The TV stuff isn't really my thing as I find it a little too kiddie-simple. Feature film or series productions are more my taste. Robotech was my first exposure and I still like it, each generation story that's led to the newer Shadow Chronicles. It seems less simple to me than Gundam and other mecha-driven series shows. The original stuff was the really bad 80's style when it was just starting to become popular in North America. Today's developments, depending upon what you're watching, is quite beautifully done.

You'd have to tape my eyes open and force me to watch all those stupid game-based anime shows like Pokimon and Digimon... and the rest of the fricken A-to-Z-mon. They're irritating to me, probably making me feel the exact same way some of you say you feel about anime in general.

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I can't stand a lot of anime. For the most part, anime is just garbage. There are always exceptions though... I was into DBZ for a while back in the toonami days. I also got into Outlaw Star, Trigun, and Cowboy Bebop back in the early adult swim days.

Perhaps I am a bit biased being that both my parents have backgrounds in classic animation.

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I used to love to sit on the couch in my jammies and watch Speed Racer as a kid. Now when I see "artwork" in this style, it's always borderline pornographic. It is vaguely offputting, but I guess I haven't been exposed to enough of it to form a fleshed-out opinion.
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I prefer anime to most of the crap that's thrown out by American cartoon studios. Reasons are several fold.

In Japan, anime is a very wide range of genres and age groups that can appeal from children to adults to...perverts. Most American cartoons are aimed at young children and are overly stupid. The few that are aimed at adults are mostly just for comedy, no real story.

I prefer how there are many style of anime /manga that follow realistic human proportions that follow the actual human anatomy. Also there is much more attention to clothing and the way it drapes over the character and moves. There is overall much more attention to detail. American Comics like what Marvel pushes out can have a lot of detail too, but it never translates well into an animated version. One of the trade offs is the American cartoons, which are less detailed, tend to run at a higher frame rate than anime (24 fps). I forget what anime runs at, but I think it's more like 18 fps...depending on the anime. Some have higher frame rate than others, depending on the studio's budget. Movies, with much larger budgets, have much higher frame rates. There are exceptions to teh rule on both sides of course.

There are also many manga/anime that have very deep storylines which feature lots of character development. One key difference is where in America comics and cartoons the hero character is idealized to a fault, the main characters in manga/anime are often designed to be the type of people one could relate to: flawed, often growing stronger as a person as the series progress, or if a character does seem idealized, you find faults about their past which has led them to be doing what they are doing.

Some of my favorites are Full Metal Alchemist (probably my very favorite) Cowboy Beebop, Trigun, (although I haven't watch the anime only read the manga), Rurouni Kenshin (manga more than the anime). I also like Ghost in the Shell, Full Metal Panic, FLCL, Death Note , and S-Cry-ed.

I do love me a good giant robot anime, because the robots are just so much more detailed. Zoids was a long time favorite of mine, although NC/Z was a bit lacking in stories compared to the first two series, and Hasbro's bastardizing of it with Fuzors ensured the sealed fate. Last Gundam series I watched was Seed. Oh and let's not forget Big O. Neon Genesis Evangelion was awesome if creepy and very screwed up.

When was younger I used to like DBZ but the dub was bastardized by Cartoon Network and the series itself took too long to get anything done. I used to watch Inuyasha but again, it took forever to get things done, and the animation quality didn't pick up until late in the series.

I despise anime like Pokemon.

I know there's others but I can't remember them all.

The key with anime is that often times it gets f@#ked up during dubbing, unless a good studio gets the job with quality voice actors. Anything 4Kids touches turns into utter $h!. Dubbing can also lead to butchering of the series if it's something more mature but has to be slotted in in the day time. This is why many fans prefer subbed anime.

Of course there are American cartoons I love too, such as Family Guy, Futurama, ATHF and so on. However, it's for comedy and not the depth of characters or the detail.

Finding an anime you like can be tough if you don't know what to look for, however there is potentially something for everyone if you give it a chance and not be either bias based on the $h!ty ones that were around in the 70's or things like DBZ. Unless animated stuff isn't your thing of course.

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Anime is very strange indeed. Chinpokomon got it exactly right.

It depends on what you watch. Some of its as mundane as everyday life. Some of it is pure sci-fi/fantasy. Lots of them like to blur the lines. It just depends on if that's your thing/how open of a mind you have.

I would say the strangest (but one I really enjoyed) was the 6 episode anime FLCL.

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Never been a fan; I always clowned my brothers for watching it 'cause it was just... dumb.

However, Street Fighter II: The Animated Movie? :thumbsup:

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yeah im with you camino

what happened to the stuff like the stoned kids in a dodge 1000 van that thought there dog could talk?

Doobie-Doo-Scooby-Doo-1169.jpg

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Some of my favorites are Full Metal Alchemist (probably my very favorite) Cowboy Beebop, Trigun, (although I haven't watch the anime only read the manga), Rurouni Kenshin (manga more than the anime). I also like Ghost in the Shell, Full Metal Panic, FLCL, Death Note , and S-Cry-ed.

I do love me a good giant robot anime, because the robots are just so much more detailed. Zoids was a long time favorite of mine, although NC/Z was a bit lacking in stories compared to the first two series, and Hasbro's bastardizing of it with Fuzors ensured the sealed fate. Last Gundam series I watched was Seed. Oh and let's not forget Big O. Neon Genesis Evangelion was awesome if creepy and very screwed up.

When was younger I used to like DBZ but the dub was bastardized by Cartoon Network and the series itself took too long to get anything done. I used to watch Inuyasha but again, it took forever to get things done, and the animation quality didn't pick up until late in the series.

i think 08th MS Team was my fav gundam series. it was short but good. i thought samurai champloo was well done. i forgot all about trigun it was awesome. the begining of the first episode i was like this dude is wicked... then i realized how much of a dufus he was when his gun was empty. it made a great show. i forgot about s-cry-ed too. i got outlaw star on box set dvd.

as for dbz, nail on the head... funimation utterly destroyed it. i wont even get into how bad they messed up the movies. and for a planet blowing up in 5 mins? what the crap 25 episodes later it finally did. i have dubbed vhs tapes of dbz from the android saga all the way to the last episode where they party after buu dies. hehe we paid $20 each for those tapes over a period of time. my cousin bought the majority, he asked me if i would buy em, i got all his for $100 (woo hoo) prolly missing 10 tapes that our other buddy got though.

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I would say the strangest (but one I really enjoyed) was the 6 episode anime FLCL.

I remember watching that on Adult Swim. That was one of the more odd, yet intriguing shows I have watched.

It seems that you are making anime out to be the medium of which Japan makes shows in general as if they have few good actors or writers so they rely on animation instead (whether this is true or not, I don't know, but it seems that way.) I suppose in some cases it can allow you to be more creative, but it is also kind of a cop out. Granted, the styles of anime don't seem to vary nearly as much as the styles in domestic animation. I'll say anime has come quite a long way...the quality started out as absolute garbage...just look at speed racer. Or hell, even Pokemon today. There are goods and bads to every style of animation.

A lot of classic animation styles were fantastic. While the character models seemed simple in some cases, body movements and expressions were very thorough, and many of the backgrounds were very detailed. You may (or may not) be surprised how highly regarded classics are...Hell, even The Peanuts...They were one of the most highly regarded, especially for their use of expressions.

I do think a lot of today's cartoon's are crummy, anime, american, what have you...I also noticed some shows did poor anime spinoffs, or there was a trend towards anime based on "americanized" themes, such as "batman beyond" I think it was, or that Teen Titans show.

One of my favorite cartoons was no doubt the Batman animated series made in the 90's.

Oh, and I just have to bring up Shin Chan. Funniest cartoon I have ever watched, but the animation is the most atrocious. I think that adds to the humor though. :lol:

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i think 08th MS Team was my fav gundam series. it was short but good. i thought samurai champloo was well done. i forgot all about trigun it was awesome. the begining of the first episode i was like this dude is wicked... then i realized how much of a dufus he was when his gun was empty. it made a great show. i forgot about s-cry-ed too. i got outlaw star on box set dvd.

as for dbz, nail on the head... funimation utterly destroyed it. i wont even get into how bad they messed up the movies. and for a planet blowing up in 5 mins? what the crap 25 episodes later it finally did. i have dubbed vhs tapes of dbz from the android saga all the way to the last episode where they party after buu dies. hehe we paid $20 each for those tapes over a period of time. my cousin bought the majority, he asked me if i would buy em, i got all his for $100 (woo hoo) prolly missing 10 tapes that our other buddy got though.

I forgot about the 8th MS Team. that was a good series. Thank you for saying Samurai Shamploo, I couldn't remember the name but yes it was a great anime.

I never did see Outlaw Star, I think we got CN as the run was ending years ago.

How many DBZ characters does it take to change a light bulb?

One of the neat things about anime stories is that, unlike American cartoons and comics where usually the woman is some helpless/ditsy/damsel in distress character most of the time, there's a lot of cases where the main character females can kick the male main character's asses.

Oh, but I have to say, I loved MegasXLR. A show about a video game addict who is also a car nut, finds a giant robot, and uses his `70 `Cuda for the robot's head. It's one of the few American cartoons that was drawn with a fair attention to detail. I liked how it was inspired by anime but also playfully poked fun at it, like how in every episode teh robnot had some new, implausible super attack. :P

Shame it was canceled in favorite of CN's other $h!ty cartoons.

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When I was younger, I'd be watching Transformers, and DBZ that wasn't Funimation. Nowadays, the only animation I watch is South Park. :P

But I think a lot of the stuff, especially today is incredibly weird. It seems like every second anime has a massive boob fetish (see: Desert Punk), and/or 'dirty old men' like Master Roshi. I

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Like I said, it depends on the anime. You sure as hell wouldn't find perversion in the 8th MS Team for example.

As a side note, what straight man doesn't like big boobs? :blink:

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Oh and another exception to the rule (although it's 3D animated) is of course Beast Wars. Great story and lots of depth to the characters. They were also very clever at bringing more mature themes in while still being able to be shown to young ones. Of course, when Fox got a hold of the series they absolutely raped it.

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I have enjoyed quite a few anime series. many of what dodge fan said. mainly cause they can pose very adult scenarios/thinking that is enjoyable for young adults to watch. ... like Beebop, samauri champloo, Trigun

the "american toons" that have/had been great are Invader Zim(though i've not seen it all), I liked angry beavers, ..the one that the main character is a dingo, i think? spongebob is good, Fairly odd parents, watched 2 episodes of "Phineas and Ferb" on disney yesterday, have to say, the two i saw are actually pretty funny, if you excuse the lax animation style on the main characters

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When I was younger, I'd be watching Transformers, and DBZ that wasn't Funimation. Nowadays, the only animation I watch is South Park. :P

But I think a lot of the stuff, especially today is incredibly weird. It seems like every second anime has a massive boob fetish (see: Desert Punk), and/or 'dirty old men' like Master Roshi. I

anyone see "perfect hair forever"? now there is an anime bashfest. lol but it is hilarious.

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I used to love to sit on the couch in my jammies and watch Speed Racer as a kid. Now when I see "artwork" in this style, it's always borderline pornographic. It is vaguely offputting, but I guess I haven't been exposed to enough of it to form a fleshed-out opinion.

Ocn has hit the aspect of this that disturbs me most, I guess. That combination of sex and childhood that comes across in anime, it just strikes me as pedophilia. Add in the feminization of the male characters, and the disturbing faces with the outsized eyes - and I just get a case of the willies from it.

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Ocn has hit the aspect of this that disturbs me most, I guess. That combination of sex and childhood that comes across in anime, it just strikes me as pedophilia. Add in the feminization of the male characters, and the disturbing faces with the outsized eyes - and I just get a case of the willies from it.

I'm going to say this once more: American cartoons are aimed mainly at little kids, whereas most anime we see is aimed for young adults/adults and therefore features content that reflects this. Companies try to dumb it down for Americans, and the results are thus.

As far as your issue with character design, it's stereotyped that way but there are plenty of animes that aren't styled like that.

Also, you have to keep it in mind that many other regions like Japan and Europe are a lot more open about sex than our prude (but very violent) society.

The pretty boy thing can be weird, I'll admit that. :P But again, this isn't something you see in every single anime.

loki,

I loved the Angry Beavers when I was younger too! MUSCULAR BEAVER!! WOOSH!!

FOG,

I'm surprised (or maybe not) to find you think it lacks substance, since the plots run far deeper, more interesting, and complex than anything you will find produced here.

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I've just always thought it was cheesy and lacked substance, both visually and otherwise.

Yes.

Ocn has hit the aspect of this that disturbs me most, I guess. That combination of sex and childhood that comes across in anime, it just strikes me as pedophilia. Add in the feminization of the male characters, and the disturbing faces with the outsized eyes - and I just get a case of the willies from it.

Yes. And the nosebleed thing is just f@#king weird.

I'm going to say this once more: American cartoons are aimed mainly at little kids, whereas most anime we see is aimed for young adults/adults and therefore features content that reflects this. Companies try to dumb it down for Americans, and the results are thus.

Really? Family Guy is aimed at children? South Park? Yea, such great kid shows. Ren & Stimpy was also not much of a kids' show. My roomate freshman year of college was obsessed with anime, and he convinced me to watch some of it. He had bootlegged Japanese anime (early bittorrent user), and allegedly the quality was very good. But...honestly I still came away from it with the same opinion: cheesy and lacking in substance, for very immature people. Now, the other thing that strikes me as interesting is you claim the plots are deeper, more complex, more interesting, etc. Not my takeaway, that's for sure--I thought Japanese culture was pretty damn pervasive, to the extent that without some decent knowledge of it you wouldn't really "get it." I found the plots fairly generic, but less accessible due to the cultural knowledge required to get it.

And I find the shrill, shrieking, screaming style of voicing to be obnoxious.

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I'm going to say this once more: American cartoons are aimed mainly at little kids, whereas most anime we see is aimed for young adults/adults and therefore features content that reflects this. Companies try to dumb it down for Americans, and the results are thus.

As far as your issue with character design, it's stereotyped that way but there are plenty of animes that aren't styled like that.

Also, you have to keep it in mind that many other regions like Japan and Europe are a lot more open about sex than our prude (but very violent) society.

The pretty boy thing can be weird, I'll admit that. :P But again, this isn't something you see in every single anime.

loki,

I loved the Angry Beavers when I was younger too! MUSCULAR BEAVER!! WOOSH!!

FOG,

I'm surprised (or maybe not) to find you think it lacks substance, since the plots run far deeper, more interesting, and complex than anything you will find produced here.

No offense intended,DF - really.

The stuff just makes my skin crawl.

As for quality of plot, etc., I wouldn't know. I'm not a big fan of animation generally, and what I've enjoyed has all beem humor-based. I'm quite happy with Bugs Bunny and Ren and Stimpy, for serious stories I look elsewhere.

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Yes. And the nosebleed thing is just f@#king weird.

Really? Family Guy is aimed at children? South Park? Yea, such great kid shows. Ren & Stimpy was also not much of a kids' show.

And I find the shrill, shrieking, screaming style of voicing to be obnoxious.

some of it is obviously cultural ... like the :P with the finger pulling down the eyelid thing too...

yes their are more "adult" toons here than usually remembered, but really, they are a tiny minority that are still on. cause stuff like Gene High was MTV and pretty good... or how about Daria / Beavis and Butthead... Aeon flux doesn't count cause it was stylized more like an anime to appeal to that crowd.

Family guy ...jumped the shark, other than a few good ones here and there.

Futurama is/was solid.

Southpark...hm... will always have gold to write about cause it only takes them a few days to really make on episode... so it stays current easily.

what about american dad.... it's mostly family guy.. but with different cast/plot lines.

the voicing.. i'm assuming you're talking about the japanese voices... i think it's kinda stereotypical to beable to say that about their language.... it is typically said/heard to be more feminine than english sounds...

rocko's modern life is the show i was thinking off previously.

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Yes.

Yes. And the nosebleed thing is just f@#king weird.

Really? Family Guy is aimed at children? South Park? Yea, such great kid shows. Ren & Stimpy was also not much of a kids' show. My roomate freshman year of college was obsessed with anime, and he convinced me to watch some of it. He had bootlegged Japanese anime (early bittorrent user), and allegedly the quality was very good. But...honestly I still came away from it with the same opinion: cheesy and lacking in substance, for very immature people. Now, the other thing that strikes me as interesting is you claim the plots are deeper, more complex, more interesting, etc. Not my takeaway, that's for sure--I thought Japanese culture was pretty damn pervasive, to the extent that without some decent knowledge of it you wouldn't really "get it." I found the plots fairly generic, but less accessible due to the cultural knowledge required to get it.

And I find the shrill, shrieking, screaming style of voicing to be obnoxious.

I did say mainly didn't I? Mainly implies majority but not all. For every "Family Guy" there's probably 20 "Dexter's Laboratory"

Again, it all depends on what you watch as far as plot and such goes. What anime did you watch? Do you remember?

As far as the voice acing, I tend to agree that it can be off putting, which is why I like dubs that are done well. However sometimes they're just so bad that if you want to watch the good version you have to put up with the shieking voices. :P

I think One Pieces is the best recent example of butchering. It's not my sort of thing anyway, but what 4Kids did to it was just horrible.

I'll probably always recommend Full Metal Alchemist for plot, quality of voice acting, and it's ability to bled lightheartedness with darkness.

One other thing is that a lot of the really good animes require more investment than 2 episodes to get into the plot. Many American cartoons have a "plot" that spans the length of one episode, maybe 2 or 3 every so often. There are animes that do this too, and there are American cartoons that do what I'm about to mention, but anime often times has an "episode plot" but contributes to a larger, grander plot that will most likely spread the entire season, if not the who series.

I haven't watched any new anime in like...2 years so I can't recommend anything new though.

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As far as style goes, I will agree that at a glance anime looks pretty similar from one to another. However this is because when you follow realistic anatomy, you're not going to find cartoony (more creative if you will) proportions. Instead the styles are defined through more subtle means, such as the yes, nose hair design, mouth, and shading techniques. You could spot Akira Toriyama's work a mile away by looking at the telltale traits of his character designs.

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Reading this thread it's pretty apparent that most of those who don't like it seem to be basing it on stereotypes or preexisting conditions. Those that have watched it appear to have sampled the wrong one to suit their tastes, and so now that first impression is stuck with them. Kind of like the guy who refuses to buy American because his Ford Pinto caught fire 20 years ago. And just like that guy, convincing him to think otherwise is ultimately futile in most cases.

I don't really feel like arguing today anyway, so I'll leave it at that. :P

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I don't recall what they were called as this was years ago. I watched several epis of one series to humor my roommate, but it really just didn't make a good impression.

Honestly, the argument you're making is analogous to "You can't say all minivans suck, you just didn't experience the right ones." But clearly what was open/accessible wasn't that great. There could very well be diamonds in the rough, but the whole genre is pretty negatively affected by all the crap out there. If I want imported culture, I'll go to Baliwood as that stuff is interesting as hell.

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I'm going to say this once more: American cartoons are aimed mainly at little kids, whereas most anime we see is aimed for young adults/adults and therefore features content that reflects this. Companies try to dumb it down for Americans, and the results are thus.

Know something that I observed a few years back?

Kids will watch ANYTHING animated, whether they understand it or not. I think that companies know that.

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We all know Carl form Aqua Teen hunger force is the best animated character ever!

"I don't need no instructions

I know how to rock!"

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ahh, Who freakin set this thing to Head Games?

there are different levels to the system, just like a car lot. each genre serves to reflect the viewers interests.

there are some shows that make you wonder what kind of person would be so hard up that they have to watch this stuff, then there are funny ones that are along a day to day thing. one example for me would be Love Hina. its about a dude trying to get into a college to which he has already failed the entrance exam twice. he is left an apartment complex of sorts to take care. turns out the place is now a girls dorm. its pretty funny really. Another along the same lines that is easy to follow is tenchi muyo! its along the same plot, a guy thats hapless when it comes to girls has 6 or so move in with him and his horn dog dad and grandpa. unbeknownst to him is that the grandpa is th character that ties all of them together. its pretty cool and there are 3 versions.

there are the fighting types, like my fav ruroni kenshin samurai that was a skilled assasin trying to live a life of peace but his past catches up to him. pretty gory at times really but good fight scenes. try lookin some of them up on youtube, you'll be suprised.

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Great examples. :thumbsup:

A synopsis of Full Metal Alchemist:

In this world, there exists the power, its boundaries seemingly limitless.

Alchemy, also known as Equivalent Exchange, works under the principle of understanding the foundations of the world, remaking them into something else, equal in cost.

Some call it science, some magic, some believe it to be miracles. However as powerful as it is, Alchemy still has boundaries one must not cross.

Having lost their mother, the Elric brothers have violated the biggest taboo - "The Human Transmutation".

As a result, the younger brother, Alphonse, lost his entire body, his soul now bound to a huge armor suit. The older brother, Edward, lost his arm and leg, now having them replaced with mechanical prosthetics - Automail.

Having nothing to lose, wishing to regain what they lost due to their sins, the brothers, one of them now bearing the title "Fullmetal" and National Alchemist title, set out to find the mythical Philosophers Stone, rumored to destroy the boundaries Alchemy has.

However the road they chose is neither short nor easy, thanks to the existence of mysterious forces, working behind the scenes.

Conspiracy behind the scenes, the powerful wish for revenge from those oppressed long ago, the echoes of tragedies caused by alchemy - all those things threaten to, yet again, bring the pain and suffering onto all who are alive.

However, through the hardships and tragedies, while in despair and hope, the brothers still move on forward towards their goal, thought to be unreachable.

If interested, there's more details on wiki

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One of my favorite cartoons was no doubt the Batman animated series made in the 90's.

Oh, and I just have to bring up Shin Chan. Funniest cartoon I have ever watched, but the animation is the most atrocious. I think that adds to the humor though. :lol:

dude i loved that batman. it was really dark for the age it was aimed at in the day. some of my fav eps

you should see shin wars, the spoof on star wars its great.

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Confession: I used to really like Cowboy Bebop. I haven't watched it in years, though.

I have never seen it, but my employees have quoted it and Red vs. Blue ad nauseum over the last few years.

So I feel like I have.

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