Officially Official: 2010 Ford Taurus SHO!

[regfootball]

what's the cheapest Audi Quattro with 350hp?

[Cory Wolfe]

Nope. Sorry.

Variety IS the spice of life.

That's why there's DIFFERENT types of RWD cars to choose from:

1. RWD, Iron-block Pushrod V8, Automatic Trans, BOF, Open Live Rear Axle, four door hardtop (472-powered Cadillac Sedan deVille hardtop)

2. RWD, Aluminum SOHC V8, 4-speed Automatic, Unibody, IRS-posi, hardtop coupe ('84 MB 500SEC)

3. Rear-Biased-AWD, Unibody, Bi-turbo-I6, 6-speed manual, IRS, four door sedan (BMW 328xi)

4. RWD, Aluminum-block Pushrod V8, 6-speed manual, Unibody, Limited Slip Live Axle, 4-door Sedan (Pontiac G8-GT)

5. RWD, DOHC-V12, 4-speed Automatic, Unibody, IRS, 2-door hardtop (BMW 850)

6. RWD, Iron-block Pushrod V8, 4-speed Automatic, BOF, Limited Slip Live Axle, 4-door sedan (94-96 Impala SS)

7. RWD, Aluminum-Block, Supercharged, DOHC V8, 5-spd Auto, Unibdy, IRS (STS-V)

8. etc... you get the point!

Odd, that doesn't sound like variety at all. That sounds like communism.

[ocnblu]

Ford has done an excellent job with this new Taurus, and the SHO is just the halo model it needs to put icing on the cake. This is the 4-door Mustang we read about a few years ago, and all feared. Love it!

[Robert Hall]

what's the cheapest Audi Quattro with 350hp?

Closest is the S4 at about $60k...and it has about 340 hp for '09 (switched from a V8 to a V6 for '09).

The SHO looks to be kind of unique in the market at it's price point...lots of technology, AWD, it looks like it's going to be a sweet car.

[Drew Dowdell]

what's the cheapest Audi Quattro with 350hp?

Just pointing this out, the 360hp AWD Chrysler 300c AWD with every option checked is $46,860. $39,000 after discounts and rebates.

I'm no fan of the 300c though....

Loaded Charger AWD V8 is $35,187 after discounts. $41,365 MSRP

It's not like 68 doesn't have choices.....

[Robert Hall]

Just pointing this out, the 360hp AWD Chrysler 300c AWD with every option checked is $46,860. $39,000 after discounts and rebates.

I'm no fan of the 300c though....

Loaded Charger AWD V8 is $35,187 after discounts. $41,365 MSRP

It's not like 68 doesn't have choices.....

I like the 300C, but it's a totally different flavour of car..

None of these cars cost $1000, so they aren't in 68's price range, though..

[RBB]

Only stupid people who have no common sense and poor driving skills think they need FWD or AWD to get around in the snow.

Signed,

a Grand Marquis owner in New England.

You just described 90% of the driving population around here. These guys could have golf spike on their tires and spin it off the road, FWD/AWD, or RWD...

-RBB

[Robert Hall]

You just described 90% of the driving population around here. These guys could have golf spike on their tires and spin it off the road, FWD/AWD, or RWD...

-RBB

Yeah, people have really dumbed down in the last 25-30 years. When I was a kid in the Rust Belt, probably 90% of the cars on the road were RWD. People didn't need FWD, they had snow tires and knew how to drive in the snow.

[Drew Dowdell]

Not exactly a torque curve... more like a torque plateau.

[Sixty8panther]

Moltar:

Back in 1946 a $1000 would have prob. bought you a

Duesenberg J dual cowl phaeton with flat tires,

faded paint & a broken windshield, but I'm pretty

sure that it would have been a damn good buy! Esp.

Vesus the $2000 for a new Plymouth or Chevy.

If I HAD $50,000 to spend on a brand new car I

could get a brand new car/truck I want.... like a 2009

Escalade EXT or a CLK350 hardtop, or perhaps I could

buy a G8-GT and deal with a B-pillar. (He-hehe)

But as it stands I have $4000 invested in one of my

dream cars, a pretty damn rare 1959 Buick, and my

ability to score cheap cars is a tallent I;m proud of.

Does it diminish the absolute mega-coolness of the

1931 Dual Cowl Phaeton Cadillac V-16 nicknamed

"Red Devil" because after a half century in the

original owners possession his widdow gave it back

to GM for FREE?!?!?!

It's still a Dual Cowl Phaeton (452-OHV) V-16 Cadillac DCP!

When's the last time you saw a 1984 Euro-spec.

500SEC in the states? It cost as much as TWO

Corvettes when new, and it WILL absolutely give

me more enjoyment than any new car I could

afford, evne though plenty of people like to poke

fun at me cause I OWN all my cars outright.

I have four titles in my filing cabinet, that's

pretty damn good. ZERO monthly payment.

AND NO, the grass is NOT greener for me on

your side... :wink:

Yup. My FWD 2001 3.5 Aurora is so much fun to drive I don't give a $h! that the drive wheels are up front.

Well we've all got standards.

I personally dislike FWD, actaully in MOST cars I HATE it.

FWD in an automobile is like using a plastic spork form

KFC & a rusty X-acto knife to eat a $70 Steak dinner &

lathering every bite in Ketchup.

It's dumb, maybe you can fool yourself into thinking it's

somehow OK or (if you;re a really delusional prick) that

it is somehow BETTER, but at the end of the day I'll

take a stainless steel silverware set thankyooverymuch!

For the record save me your lectures on the Aurora,

I've owned a 1997 STS (WHICH DID NOT COST $1000)

and I'm very familiar with most any Modern FWD car.

I used to work at 5 different dealerships, ALL GM, not

by accident either, and I've driven most everything

including a few exotics.

& yes the Aurora (it's really an Olds 88) V6 is a decent

car... for a FWD modern tincan.

[Intrepidation]

I think you just need to keep in mind that not all of hate FWD and when you speak about it as though we either have to love it or we're idiots for liking anything else, it tends to piss people off. It is an opinion, not a fact, for the 4th time.

Oh, and don't go talking about choice and variety if you then exclude a choice. That's hypocrisy and I really hate that.

[Sixty8panther]

Let's see here's a choice:

1. Go to work tomorrow.

2. Stay home & watch TV.

Just because there is a CHOICE does not mean

both are equally good or acceptable or for that

matter CORRECT.

That's a FACT. Free will means use your head &

discern the BEST choice, then act on it.

I've been down the FWD road more than once.

I do not CARE to go back, it's a fact most of

FWD's shortcomings irritate me like a papercut

on the tongue.

FWD sucks.

FWD sucks even MORE when the motor is F***ing sideways.

FWD sucks more still when it's advertised as sporty.

There that's MY oppinion. And many intelligent

& well-read person, both car fanatic and not

agree with me. There will probably never be a

FWD car from the last three decades that I

could learn to love. I have a pathetic childhood

fascination wiht the Bustleback Caddy & I have

almost bought one on a couple occcassions, if

I had I'd own it wiht the understanding that it

is a quirky toy, not proper transportation.

The average persons' standards for a motor

vehicle are PAHHH-THETIC in 2009. RWD is

the one and only proper method of propelling

a vehicle down a paved road.

That's fact also my friend. It's PHYSICS!

Rear-biased AWD is great but most people

like myself do NOT want it in our car because

it adds weight, cuts down on space in the

engine compartment & floorpan & honestly

it's utilized by many a loser to compensate

for their idiotic driving habits or "Driftin' skillz"

or in many cases, a LACK thereof.

RB-AWD, RWD, FB-AWD, FWD

That's the hierarchy for GOOD/BAD.

Maybe you think I'm crazy, dumb, pissy or

a hypocrite? ...good for you.

If I wanted to get nasty I'd show you the

photos of the dozens of RWD cars I've

driven through snow that made drivers in

FWD & AWD cars get stuck and piss their

pants before calling Mommy or AAA.

If the Sheeple were not phukin' morons &

bought snow tires we'd never have to

make FWD cars and I would have had to

pay $450 to have the STEAL-ership drop

down the Northstar in my Cadillac to

replace the heater-blower motor... _LAME!

[Robert Hall]

OK OK OK OK OK. We get it. We know Sixty Eight doesn't like FWD. That's established. End of story.

DO YOU HAVE TO BLATHER ON ABOUT IT ALL THE D*MN TIME?

It's as if you have Asperger's and run on and on about something all the time, repeating the same tired story.

Or one of those crackpot conspiracy theorists that run around repeating the same thing over and over and over and over again.

Please, for the sake of this community, and all humanity, give it a rest!

AUGGGGHHHH

AUGGGHHHH

AUGGGHHH

AUGGGHH

AUGGHH

AUGHH

AUGH

AGH

Edited February 12, 2009 by moltar

[Intrepidation]

If I wanted to get nasty I'd show you the

photos of the dozens of RWD cars I've

driven through snow that made drivers in

FWD & AWD cars get stuck and piss their

pants before calling Mommy or AAA.

I'm going to just ignore the rest of the post and go for this one because it stands out.

What the hell is the point of this? Since you're obviously replying to me. How is it nasty? Big deal, I've driven through snow in the GM too...woopie. Would you like a cookie?

The POINT I am trying to make which you seem to be either ignoring or not getting is that this is an opinion, and that is just fine...you're more than welcomed to feel that way, but stop peddling it like it's a fact and that everyone else is wrong. It ruins the thread for the rest of us. Just don't post in a thread that's about a car that has always been FWD and expect it to be something else. Take the rant to another thread and out of this one.

Back to the SHO. (I crack me up)

[Intrepidation]

Seeing the Taurus makes me really exciting to see what the next Focus will look like.

[Robert Hall]

Seeing the Taurus makes me really exciting to see what the next Focus will look like.

Yes..I'm wondering exactly what it will be... a variation of the next gen European model (not sure when that is due out) is what I'm assuming...

[Intrepidation]

Yes..I'm wondering exactly what it will be... a variation of the next gen European model (not sure when that is due out) is what I'm assuming...

Yeah, from what I heard Ford is developing it's products globally now...so what Europe gets we get. The Fiesta is the first example of this.

[§carlet §wordfish]

Reading 68's posts make me never want to never own a RWD or hardtop car in my life. And are making this car start to grow on me a little more.

[cire]

Seeing the Taurus makes me really exciting to see what the next Focus will look like.

+1!

[Intrepidation]

Whoever is responsible for Fords newest car designs deserves a big raise, IMHO.

[Intrepidation]

I mean look at what they had:

and look at what they have now:

[regfootball]

Not exactly a torque curve... more like a torque plateau.

and i thought debra messing was the only flat thing that would incite a tent in my cargoes.

[regfootball]

Let's see here's a choice:

1. Go to work tomorrow.

2. Stay home & watch TV.

Just because there is a CHOICE does not mean

both are equally good or acceptable or for that

matter CORRECT.

That's a FACT. Free will means use your head &

discern the BEST choice, then act on it.

I've been down the FWD road more than once.

I do not CARE to go back, it's a fact most of

FWD's shortcomings irritate me like a papercut

on the tongue.

FWD sucks.

FWD sucks even MORE when the motor is F***ing sideways.

FWD sucks more still when it's advertised as sporty.

There that's MY oppinion. And many intelligent

& well-read person, both car fanatic and not

agree with me. There will probably never be a

FWD car from the last three decades that I

could learn to love. I have a pathetic childhood

fascination wiht the Bustleback Caddy & I have

almost bought one on a couple occcassions, if

I had I'd own it wiht the understanding that it

is a quirky toy, not proper transportation.

The average persons' standards for a motor

vehicle are PAHHH-THETIC in 2009. RWD is

the one and only proper method of propelling

a vehicle down a paved road.

That's fact also my friend. It's PHYSICS!

Rear-biased AWD is great but most people

like myself do NOT want it in our car because

it adds weight, cuts down on space in the

engine compartment & floorpan & honestly

it's utilized by many a loser to compensate

for their idiotic driving habits or "Driftin' skillz"

or in many cases, a LACK thereof.

RB-AWD, RWD, FB-AWD, FWD

That's the hierarchy for GOOD/BAD.

Maybe you think I'm crazy, dumb, pissy or

a hypocrite? ...good for you.

If I wanted to get nasty I'd show you the

photos of the dozens of RWD cars I've

driven through snow that made drivers in

FWD & AWD cars get stuck and piss their

pants before calling Mommy or AAA.

If the Sheeple were not phukin' morons &

bought snow tires we'd never have to

make FWD cars and I would have had to

pay $450 to have the STEAL-ership drop

down the Northstar in my Cadillac to

replace the heater-blower motor... _LAME!

its lame to use the packaging and weight argument against AWD because you can use the exact same argument FWD vs. RWD. FWD is more space efficient and lighter than RWD in most applications.

[§carlet §wordfish]

The interior does look nicer, but I still like the '08 exterior better. It's much cleaner. Appeals to my taste for quirk.

[Intrepidation]

The interior does look nicer, but I still like the '08 exterior better. It's much cleaner. Appeals to my taste for quirk.

Different strokes, although I have a feeling that once you sit in it you'll like the new one better. It looks very high quality.

[Z-06]

Let's see here's a choice:

............

And I thought there was only one smk on our forum.

68 please use some restraint. RWD is great, but that is not the point of the SHO. Not everyone is qualified to drive in the snow and some of the down right hate and fear doing that chore, yet everyone has privilege to drive while it is snowing and have a fun vehicle, therefore people must have FWD and FWD biased AWD. Taurus SHO just fits fine to those people.

The FWD sheeple will think of you as RWD sheeple after reading this post - it goes both ways.

[Sixty8panther]

Well I guess I'll just give a blanket apology.

Sorry I go on too much about the superiority of RWD. [/my educated opinion]

Conversely, I feel like many of you are constantly making excuses for FWD.

Try as you may you CAN NOT tell me RWD &/or RB-AWD would not elevate

this car's status & make it much more closer to being taken seriously by the

very people who have $30-40K for a new car in this economy.

[Intrepidation]

Well I guess I'll just give a blanket apology.

Sorry I go on too much about the superiority of RWD.

And I think we'll leave it at that. SHO's over folks.

[Sixty8panther]

Reading 68's posts make me never want to never own a RWD or hardtop car in my life.

Excellent!

Sounds like a plan, all that many more RWD hartops for ME.

You can keep all of your f@#kus ZiTS, Contour SVTs & Tau666uses.

[Drew Dowdell]

Some people are fine with or *gasp* actually prefer, FWD. Get over it. If you can't, then stay out of forums discussing FWD cars. You're approaching troll like status here.

[Intrepidation]

You know, this car has very nice proportions...

[Robert Hall]

You know, this car has very nice proportions...

Yes...I'm looking forward to seeing it in person.. I think the new Taurus will be a hit....speaking of new Fords, a saw another black MKS tonight..they are pretty sharp looking.

[Bimmer325]

Why buy an MKS once this comes out?

[Intrepidation]

Good question. When the economy stabilizes and Ford gets some money in the budget they should focus on moving Lincoln upmarket and on its own platforms.

[regfootball]

regarding rwd, it's simply a market choice. if ford made their volume sellers rwd, they would not sell. mass market wants fwd. its damn simple as that.

[pow]

The interior shrunk to about Accord size... the trunk still remains huge at 20 cu ft.

[regfootball]

The interior shrunk to about Accord size... the trunk still remains huge at 20 cu ft.

cabin 'volume' likely shrunk due to the lower and more constricted greenhouse. however, the key numbers of width and leg room should not change, especially since the wheelbase was lengthened. the 08/09 had high seats, even if they drop them a tish it should not matter much. i don't expect to see much difference.......the accord is a nice size car now BTW finally but does not feel near as solid and substantial as the ford products do. honda still builds tin cans.

[regfootball]

Good question. When the economy stabilizes and Ford gets some money in the budget they should focus on moving Lincoln upmarket and on its own platforms.

no reason for lincoln to have its own platforms. the ford platforms are already AWD. The only reason to do a new platform would be the MKR and that i think was nixed. any rear bias platform that ford undertakes will have to be for a future mustang, and that is not happnn anytime in the next 5 years.

globally ford has nixed the notion of new rwd bias platforms since they simply are not needed.

[Robert Hall]

no reason for lincoln to have its own platforms. the ford platforms are already AWD. The only reason to do a new platform would be the MKR and that i think was nixed. any rear bias platform that ford undertakes will have to be for a future mustang, and that is not happnn anytime in the next 5 years.

globally ford has nixed the notion of new rwd bias platforms since they simply are not needed.

Yes, since Ford doesn't have Jaguar anymore (and Panther is going away), they aren't in the RWD luxury market anymore. The mainstream and near-lux market is pretty much all FWD/AWD these days anyway, unfortunately.

Chrysler and now Hyundai are the last bastions of hope for mainstream RWD sedans in a world of mainstream FWD, since GM is giving up on Zeta.

(better quit before I start sounding like SixtyEight Lite).

Edited February 17, 2009 by moltar

[Intrepidation]

Chrysler proved the that mainstream RWD does work, the Charger was doing well up until the the gas prices hit $$...and the new ones will be much more fuel efficent. The Genesis is also doing well apparently.

That being said I have nothing against the Taurus being FWD, all it has to do is drive well...plus the proportions are pretty damn RWD looking.

[Robert Hall]

Chrysler proved the that mainstream RWD does work, the Charger was doing well up until the the gas prices hit $$...and the new ones will be much more fuel efficent. The Genesis is also doing well apparently.

That being said I have nothing against the Taurus being FWD, all it has to do is drive well...plus the proportions are pretty damn RWD looking.

Yes, since the Taurus has always been FWD, no problem with it staying that way.

I'm afraid a RWD fullsize Ford styled like the Interceptor concept isn't going to happen... ideally, I'd love to see Ford have some RWD competitors for the Charger and 300C, and Lincoln a competitor the CTS, and GM have more mainstream RWD models besides the Camaro and G8, but it's not going to happen, I'm afraid.

Edited February 17, 2009 by moltar

[Satty]

Wow, this thread reminds me of driving across Missouri. You've got some interesting stuff at the ends (pg 1-2, 5/K.C. & StL) with a bunch of retarded, inbred crap in the middle.

I'm glad the SHO is coming back, Ford has been doing some cool, interesting stuff. Boohoo, its AWD, WAAAA. I'm pretty sure nobody at Ford is going to lose sleep over pissing off a guy whose monthly income wouldn't cover the average monthly payment on a Mustang V6.

[regfootball]

Yes, since Ford doesn't have Jaguar anymore (and Panther is going away), they aren't in the RWD luxury market anymore. The mainstream and near-lux market is pretty much all FWD/AWD these days anyway, unfortunately.

Chrysler and now Hyundai are the last bastions of hope for mainstream RWD sedans in a world of mainstream FWD, since GM is giving up on Zeta.

(better quit before I start sounding like SixtyEight Lite).

just find a nice two year old CTS, that will be in a mainstream price.

[regfootball]

Yes, since the Taurus has always been FWD, no problem with it staying that way.

I'm afraid a RWD fullsize Ford styled like the Interceptor concept isn't going to happen... ideally, I'd love to see Ford have some RWD competitors for the Charger and 300C, and Lincoln a competitor the CTS, and GM have more mainstream RWD models besides the Camaro and G8, but it's not going to happen, I'm afraid.

we'll all be lucky if cars larger than the current malibu survive these next 4 years of socialism and economic disaster.

[Satty]

we'll all be lucky if cars larger than the current malibu survive these next 4 years of socialism and economic disaster.

If you've got an problem with socialism, I recommend you quit cashing those unemployment checks.