I'm close to a decision

[Camino LS6]

I have been so disgusted by the garbage coming from both major parties (even here in our own political threads), that I believe that I will most likely return to my long-established pattern of voting Libertarian this year.

Last time I voted for Kerry (whom I don't like) just because I felt that "W" was such a rotten SOB that we needed to be rid of him at all costs - it was the only time that I have ever voted major party.

I just feel that all rationality has evaporated in the shrill partisan bleatings from the dems and the repubs, which leaves me hating the idea of endorsing either with my vote.

Not yet an absolute decision, but very,very, close.

[Croc]

This isn't the most accurate thing in the world issue by issue, but it seems to give an overall outcome that is fairly accurate: http://www.votehelp.org/

[Oracle of Delphi]

I have been so disgusted by the garbage coming from both major parties (even here in our own political threads), that I believe that I will most likely return to my long-established pattern of voting Libertarian this year.

Last time I voted for Kerry (whom I don't like) just because I felt that "W" was such a rotten SOB that we needed to be rid of him at all costs - it was the only time that I have ever voted major party.

I just feel that all rationality has evaporated in the shrill partisan bleatings from the dems and the repubs, which leaves me hating the idea of endorsing either with my vote.

Not yet an absolute decision, but very,very, close.

Well voting Libertarian is like placing your vote in the toilet and flushing it out to sea. But it's yours to flush, I suppose.

[Northstar]

Well voting Libertarian is like placing your vote in the toilet and flushing it out to sea. But it's yours to flush, I suppose.

So is voting republican in a state that is for sure going to be democratic, or vice versa. At the very least, it's better than not voting at all, even if it has the same effect.

[Oracle of Delphi]

So is voting republican in a state that is for sure going to be democratic, or vice versa. At the very least, it's better than not voting at all, even if it has the same effect.

As I said, it's his to flush.

[Satty]

Vote Nader '08!

[Satty]

Thats one thing I like about living in a swing state, my vote matters.

[Teh Ricer Civic!]

write in mickey mouse.

[Satty]

write in mickey mouse.

Unless Micky Mouse has filed the proper paperwork in every state, votes for him wont be counted, so it would be the same as voting for Nader.

[usonia]

The level of political polarization has been increasing tremendously over the past 20 years. I'm amazed that we don't yet have a significant 3rd party to address the vast middle of America that is more fiscally conservative but also more socially liberal. Part of the problem is that the candidates the other parties end up with tend to be borderline wacko. That's not always true, but I think it is more often than not.

The political system has also been rigged to favor both the republican and democtratic parties and that makes it very difficult for a 3rd party to grow. That and the fact the the vast majority of people don't seem to realize that they are allowed to abandon the established parites and actually vote for a different party.

I used to be pretty involved in politics, but the more I saw the more I realized that I wasn't cut out for it. I truly think that both major parties are more concerned with winning than with what is good for the country and until the majority of voters also realize this, nothing is going to change.

[Teh Ricer Civic!]

Anywho, on a serious note, Obama is getting close to being the opposite of what libertarians stand for.

McCain is no where near the ideals that libertarians (myself included) would like, but its a hell of a lot closer than Obama is. Given how close this race is... the final decision is yours.

[daves87rs]

It's going to be an interesting note....

[gm4life]

Well I took the test and agree with McCain 98.6 percent of the time.

[Sixty8panther]

I agree with the Toyopet Camry driver,that scares me... Teh Riecr Civci is right.

[Sixty8panther]

Obama vs. McCain Matching Scores

1. John McCain

77.30% match on issues.

2. Barack Obama

70.28% match on issues.

[loki]

i'm thinking more and more voting constitution party. prolly voting for a lib for governor here.

pro/con in my sig is a great resource for info too.

[Robert Hall]

Obama vs. McCain Matching Scores

1. Barack Obama

94.90% match on issues.

2. John McCain

66.44% match on issues.

[Teh Ricer Civic!]

i just noticed there was a link...

McCain 95%

Obama 68%

and 68, this isnt even my car in my sig. Appearently a couple of years ago i thought this would be a funny sig and i never changed it.

Edited September 14, 2008 by Teh Ricer Civic!

[Oracle of Delphi]

Well I took the test and agree with McCain 98.6 percent of the time.

Going to be a lot of crow eating come November. By the way gm4life, how do you like your crow cooked?

[Teh Ricer Civic!]

Going to be a lot of crow eating come November. By the way gm4life, how do you like your crow cooked?

You racist.

[Oracle of Delphi]

You racist.

Hardly, I'm not a Republican. JK, Republicans, don't get your panties in a twist!

[Teh Ricer Civic!]

Hardly, I'm not a Republican. JK, Republicans, don't get your panties in a twist!

Oh so your a sexist then?

[Oracle of Delphi]

Oh so your a sexist then?

Yes I love sex, it's like voting, do it early and do it often!

[Chevy Nick]

Who would have thought that the ladies of the view would hold McCain's feet to the fire: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/12/m...e_n_125972.html

[Oracle of Delphi]

Who would have thought that the ladies of the view would hold McCain's feet to the fire: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/12/m...e_n_125972.html

Thanks for that, I just can't vote for the man!

[ehaase]

Obama 79.79%

McCain 60.71%

[Camino LS6]

Well voting Libertarian is like placing your vote in the toilet and flushing it out to sea. But it's yours to flush, I suppose.

BS

It is never a waste to vote for what you truly believe in.

If the whole body of the electorate actually did that, the traditional parties would suffer an embarassing defeat.

We've known for ages that both major parties are full of crap, yet we are too lazy and apathetic to do anything about it. So, they remain full of crap.

Real change requires a third party.

[Oracle of Delphi]

BS

It is never a waste to vote for what you truly believe in.

If the whole body of the electorate actually did that, the traditional parties would suffer an embarassing defeat.

We've known for ages that both major parties are full of crap, yet we are too lazy and apathetic to do anything about it. So, they remain full of crap.

Real change requires a third party.

If being the key word in your whole statement. You and I both know that will never happen. So flush away my friend. :AH-HA_wink:

[Camino LS6]

If being the key word in your whole statement. You and I both know that will never happen. So flush away my friend. :AH-HA_wink:

As long as people continue to think that way, it will never happen.

So, I think that the flushing is coming from those casting "traditional" votes.

[A Horse With No Name]

I know what you mean, Camino. Neither party seems to be close enough to the center to relate to the things americans really want. I've been going door to door for the obama campaign,and a lot of people share your level of disgust with our political process.

Personally, I'd vote for a third party candidate before I'd vote for McCain. I don't trust the man at all.

Chris

[cletus8269]

im gonna vote but for who i dont think is relevant to post... however in 4 more years 12.22.2012 its OVER!!!! hehe

[Oracle of Delphi]

im gonna vote but for who i dont think is relevant to post... however in 4 more years 12.22.2012 its OVER!!!! hehe

Actually, The Long Count Calendar of the Ancient Mayans ends on Dec 21 2012.

[Camino LS6]

I know what you mean, Camino. Neither party seems to be close enough to the center to relate to the things americans really want. I've been going door to door for the obama campaign,and a lot of people share your level of disgust with our political process.

Personally, I'd vote for a third party candidate before I'd vote for McCain. I don't trust the man at all.

Chris

Trust is a funny thing, I know more about where McCain stands - so I tend to trust what I expect from him, than what I expect from Obama.

Not quite the same as trusting either man, but something to think about.

Third party votes at the presidential level tend mostly to be either protest votes or statements of principle, with little to do with the actual candidate.

[Satty]

The thing about McCain is, do you know where he stands now, where he stood in 2000 or where he'll stand 1/20/09? Is he just saying the Bush tax cuts are good to appeal to the base, or did he actually change his mind after voting against them?

[Teh Ricer Civic!]

If you want to start a third party movement, do it during times when our political landscape isnt so polarized. Because if you keep doing it during polarized times, you run a far likelier chance that the country will move even further away from your ideals, making your third party ideals that much harder to instill into people as they become used to... well... other things.

[Camino LS6]

If you want to start a third party movement, do it during times when our political landscape isnt so polarized. Because if you keep doing it during polarized times, you run a far likelier chance that the country will move even further away from your ideals, making your third party ideals that much harder to instill into people as they become used to... well... other things.

Interesting viewpoint.

I prefer the consistent approach generally.

At any rate, starting a new third party really isn't on my agenda.

[Oracle of Delphi]

Interesting viewpoint.

I prefer the consistent approach generally.

At any rate, starting a new third party really isn't on my agenda.

I think you are the Ross Perot of C&G!

[Camino LS6]

I think you are the Ross Perot of C&G!

"Let's look under the hood"

[Croc]

"Let's look under the hood"

We need a chart, and stat!

[ocnblu]

OMG nerds.

[Croc]

FOUND ONE!

[Camino LS6]

Nah Ocn, we just have political memories. :AH-HA_wink:

[Croc]

Nah Ocn, we just have political memories. :AH-HA_wink:

Yup! What's really funny, though...is I remember Ross Perot and his charts, yet I was only 6.

[ocnblu]

Well, weren't you the precocious one, Mr. Croc.

I knew Jack Kennedy. Jack Kennedy was a friend of mine. You, sir, are no Jack Kennedy.

[Croc]

Well, weren't you the precocious one, Mr. Croc.

I knew Jack Kennedy. Jack Kennedy was a friend of mine. You, sir, are no Jack Kennedy.

[Camino LS6]

One of the best debate lines ever!

Sure beats " There you go again".

[FUTURE_OF_GM]

Well voting Libertarian is like placing your vote in the toilet and flushing it out to sea. But it's yours to flush, I suppose.

That's pretty much the stance I take on voting in general... Maybe I can blame it on gas prices. It just costs so damn much to drive back to the booth (2 hours away)

Maybe I can establish a new party; the 'negativists' or better yet, 'realists'

It's like George Carlin used to say. "I'll be doing the same thing you're doing on election day. Except, when I'm finished, I'll have a little something on my hand to show for it."

Edited September 15, 2008 by FUTURE_OF_GM

[FUTURE_OF_GM]

The level of political polarization has been increasing tremendously over the past 20 years. I'm amazed that we don't yet have a significant 3rd party to address the vast middle of America that is more fiscally conservative but also more socially liberal. Part of the problem is that the candidates the other parties end up with tend to be borderline wacko. That's not always true, but I think it is more often than not.

The political system has also been rigged to favor both the republican and democtratic parties and that makes it very difficult for a 3rd party to grow. That and the fact the the vast majority of people don't seem to realize that they are allowed to abandon the established parites and actually vote for a different party.

I used to be pretty involved in politics, but the more I saw the more I realized that I wasn't cut out for it. I truly think that both major parties are more concerned with winning than with what is good for the country and until the majority of voters also realize this, nothing is going to change.

Best freakin' post EVER!!!!

[FUTURE_OF_GM]

Yup! What's really funny, though...is I remember Ross Perot and his charts, yet I was only 6.

I miss Ross Perot.

He was the one who inspired me to become a registered Independent when I turned 18. Back then (when Perot was running -- I was 10 years old) I thought voting actually made a difference.

[usonia]

Best freakin' post EVER!!!!

Thank you!!