Sarah Palin.........?

[balthazar]

So a governer is supposed to keep tabs on what every state trooper is doing at home, because it may impact what they may do at work? She had no reason, as governer, to get involved. If the officer in question hadn't been her sister's estranged husband, she probably wouldn't have even known what was going on. Abuse of power.

This is not about other troopers, and it's not what he "may" have done at work, but what he DID do as a representative of the State Police. Cops answer to higher standards than most other professions (or they're supposed to) and those standards encompass off-duty behavior, also.

You're saying that merely because she knew about this reckless cop, one who had threatened to make someone "eat a F-ing lead bullet", she should've just turned the other way and waited until someone was beaten or killed? What the hell kind of logic is this ??

Palin had every reason to suggest to the Public Safety Commissioner that this public danger be removed as part of PCS's job responsibility. Ignoring problems don't make them go away. She got involved because Monegan would not. Monegan deserved to be fired for lack of judgement, and Wooten deserves to be fired for conduct unbecoming of an officer. Palin deserves praise for being involved in the public's safety and sticking up for what's right.

Edited September 13, 2008 by balthazar

[Satty]

So the president can fire the Secretary of the Treasury because an official at a local IRS office didn't claim all of his casino winnings on his taxes?

[Teh Ricer Civic!]

Hi, Your average 72 year old has a 66% chance of living till 80. Average 72 year olds dont have top notch presidential medical care. I have little doubt that he will live well through his first term. Look at his mom! his MOM was there at the RNC and shes like 96!

Obama and friends are making a huge mistake by continiously going after Palin instead of McCain. As Obama and friends pound on Palin, who will sway next to no voters, McCain can go about making his idea of change look better.

[Drew Dowdell]

Hi, Your average 72 year old has a 66% chance of living till 80. Average 72 year olds dont have top notch presidential medical care. I have little doubt that he will live well through his first term. Look at his mom! his MOM was there at the RNC and shes like 96!

Obama and friends are making a huge mistake by continiously going after Palin instead of McCain. As Obama and friends pound on Palin, who will sway next to no voters, McCain can go about making his idea of change look better.

His idea of change is ordering new whitehouse stationary.

[Teh Ricer Civic!]

His idea of change is ordering new whitehouse stationary.

Better than destroying the last vestiges of personal responsibility left in this country.

[Satty]

Personal responsibility....You mean like, say a 13 year old girl is raped and impregnated, and is potentially forced by law to keep the child because its her responsibility?

[Drew Dowdell]

Better than destroying the last vestiges of personal responsibility left in this country.

yes, you're right. The destruction of our civil liberties is minor.

P.S. What personal responsibilities is Obama going to take over for me?...... Just trying to figure out where my schedule is going to free up.

[Satty]

Those plastic handcuffs are really f'n uncomfortable.

[Sixty8panther]

Between the war in Iraq, and the overwhelming liberal bandwagon jumping by

so many these days to paint Bush & Cheney as typical Republicans, add to

that the fact that we've had 8 years of a Republican prez & it would have been

a safe prediction that the Democrats would win this one, just a year ago it

would have been my educated guess that a Democratic win would have been

all but certain.

But then Hil666ry Clinton and some noob who used to be an anti-American,

community activist & goes to a church that rates in blatant racism at about

the same scale as a typical white trash KKK-Podunk, duke it out for months &

throw so much mud and undermine themselves to a degree where people with

jackass tattoos on their chest are talking how the better choice this time around

is going to be to vote for the moderate Elephant.

Add to that a strong minded woman VP?

It's all over. Like it or not, and trust me, I know McCain is no saint or even a

great alternative to Bush, but he WILL win this election.

Stop and think fora moment.

ALL Republicans are either gladly voting for McCain or they're voting for him

because they think McCain/Palin are the lesser of two evils.

And a small chunk of people who are dyed-in-the-wool Democrats are going

to get on board the McCain train simply because they are turned off my many

of the radical left skeletons in Obama's closet, or his racist wife, or any other

(if technically stupid) reason WHY they said that they either vote for Hillary or

if she lost the nomination for Obama's rival. Many Democrats. you see, are

petty and childish.... just like many Republicans.

now.... what do I think of Sarah Palin?

MILF!

I'd hit that like a Kenworth W900 hauling California Redwoods with

massive brake failure, going downhill.

[Drew Dowdell]

Best quote about Palin's candidacy......

[Northstar]

Personal responsibility....You mean like, say a 13 year old girl is raped and impregnated, and is potentially forced by law to keep the child because its her responsibility?

I don't usually get involved in political stuff, but this is a pretty uneducated quote. First of all, I highly doubt the ruling of pro-choice will be reversed, and even if it is, if you go by the Catholic teachings (I am not Catholic but I did go to a Catholic school, so I know) then in cases such as the one you listed, birth control is acceptable. In such a case, assuming the girl reported the incident, she would be allowed to take a morning after pill at the hospital and not be doing anything wrong, again according to the Catholic church.

But the ruling is never going to be reversed, so it is stupid to get into this in the first place.

[Satty]

Palin has said that she opposes abortion even in cases of incest and rape.

[Oracle of Delphi]

Palin has said that she opposes abortion even in cases of incest and rape.

That is her stance, even McCain does not agree with her on that and said so yesterday, by saying to the media, that is not Cindy's and my belief, when they informed him of her stance on abortion.

She's a loose cannon, and will be McCain's undoing.

Edited September 13, 2008 by Pontiac Custom-S

[balthazar]

>>"So the president can fire the Secretary of the Treasury because an official at a local IRS office didn't claim all of his casino winnings on his taxes?"<<

Yeah: failure to report casino winnings is the same thing as someone "eating a F'ing lead bullet".

Can you see the cause of this entire issue at all, or are you content to just point a finger at Palin and dance the pee-pee dance ??

>>"Best quote about Palin's candidacy...... "It's like a really bad Disney movie!""<<

Yeah- Matt Damon. Hollyweird; these disfunctionals are paid to pretend for a living, they provide escapism and nothing more. We're supposed to lend weigh to what they really think about real life ?? It's ludicrious.

Olds- I suppose you were ROTF RE Gershon's lil impression of Palin, too, eh?

Edited September 13, 2008 by balthazar

[Croc]

I don't usually get involved in political stuff, but this is a pretty uneducated quote. First of all, I highly doubt the ruling of pro-choice will be reversed, and even if it is, if you go by the Catholic teachings (I am not Catholic but I did go to a Catholic school, so I know) then in cases such as the one you listed, birth control is acceptable. In such a case, assuming the girl reported the incident, she would be allowed to take a morning after pill at the hospital and not be doing anything wrong, again according to the Catholic church.

But the ruling is never going to be reversed, so it is stupid to get into this in the first place.

Sorry Northie, but you're wrong. Roe v. Wade could very easily get reversed if McCain/Palin appoint another conservative judge to the bench. Bush got 2. All it would take for Roe v. Wade to be overturned/reversed is another stupid abortion case arguing one little twist they haven't heard before, them deciding to take the case (conservative activist majority would likely do this), and then rule in a way that overturns the Roe v. Wade precedent.

And no offense, but who cares about the Catholic teaching? Maybe that's relevant in Rome. Palin's against BC as well, and if these things are made difficult to obtain, the point's moot. Also, what kind of BC is acceptable in a case of a pregnant rape victim? BC is preventative...

Edited September 13, 2008 by Croc

[Enzora]

George W. Bush with lipstick

Well you know what they say, you can put lipstick on a pig, but . . . .

:wink:

[LosAngeles]

The partisan gang-banging in here speaks volumes.

[79VetteZ06]

The partisan gang-banging in here speaks volumes.

Realistically do you think the gang-banging is gonna go if either of the candidate comes victorious? Four years ago after Bush got elected there was a fine piece of cover page write up in Economist saying, "Now unite US." We are back at the same point.

The entire system needs a overhaul, we are 332 years into the system. That is stone age compared to car platform overhaul (well neophite when it comes to compare with W-body) and Jurassic era compared to computers.

[Northstar]

Sorry Northie, but you're wrong. Roe v. Wade could very easily get reversed if McCain/Palin appoint another conservative judge to the bench. Bush got 2. All it would take for Roe v. Wade to be overturned/reversed is another stupid abortion case arguing one little twist they haven't heard before, them deciding to take the case (conservative activist majority would likely do this), and then rule in a way that overturns the Roe v. Wade precedent.

And no offense, but who cares about the Catholic teaching? Maybe that's relevant in Rome. Palin's against BC as well, and if these things are made difficult to obtain, the point's moot. Also, what kind of BC is acceptable in a case of a pregnant rape victim? BC is preventative...

Perhaps it is possible, but I doubt it would happen.

As for the Catholic teaching, I just figured that was what Palin probably based her views on, but apparently I'm not correct. If a rape were to occur, the women could get a birth control pill the next day and everything would be fine...

[Oracle of Delphi]

Perhaps it is possible, but I doubt it would happen.

As for the Catholic teaching, I just figured that was what Palin probably based her views on, but apparently I'm not correct. If a rape were to occur, the women could get a birth control pill the next day and everything would be fine...

Palin is far from being Catholic, she is a Pentecostal. She wants to have a direct personal experience of God through the Baptism of the Holy Spirit, speaking in tongues etc. They believe the earth is only 5000 years old and dinosaurs existed 4000 years ago.

Edited September 13, 2008 by Pontiac Custom-S

[Northstar]

Palin is far from being Catholic, she is a Pentecostal. She wants to have a direct personal experience of God through the Baptism of the Holy Spirit, speaking in tongues etc. They believe the earth is only 5000 years old and dinosaurs existed 4000 years ago.

Ok, well even if she has some wacko religious beliefs, that doesn't mean she's going to be able to make you or anyone else in the country follow them, even if she becomes president.

[Blake Noble]

Palin is far from being Catholic, she is a Pentecostal. She wants to have a direct personal experience of God through the Baptism of the Holy Spirit, speaking in tongues etc. They believe the earth is only 5000 years old and dinosaurs existed 4000 years ago.

There is a museum in my state which is devoted to and teaches Pentecostal views on the creation of life. They even have exhibits that depict humans riding dinosaurs like horses. I have no place in chastising anyone for their religious views, but I do find entertaining the whole thought that life used to be like an episode of The Flintstones quite absurd.

But, anyhow, back to the topic at hand.

[Satty]

They even have exhibits that depict humans riding dinosaurs like horses.

You dont even know how much I would love to get my picture taken riding a dinosaur.

[Oracle of Delphi]

There is a museum in my state which is devoted to and teaches Pentecostal views on the creation of life. They even have exhibits that depict humans riding dinosaurs like horses. I have no place in chastising anyone for their religious views, but I do find entertaining the whole thought that life used to be like an episode of The Flintstones quite absurd.

But, anyhow, back to the topic at hand.

Hey don't be knocking the Flintstones, their cars were green, very little carbon footprint, after all they ran on foot power.

[Satty]

Anyone else see that state spending in Alaska increased 30% in the two years Palin has been governor? She was able to keep the budget in good shape by raising taxes. And that "bridge to nowhere" money was kept by the state and used for things other than a bridge to nowhere.

[Drew Dowdell]

>>"Best quote about Palin's candidacy...... "It's like a really bad Disney movie!""<<

Yeah- Matt Damon. Hollyweird; these disfunctionals are paid to pretend for a living, they provide escapism and nothing more. We're supposed to lend weigh to what they really think about real life ?? It's ludicrious.

Olds- I suppose you were ROTF RE Gershon's lil impression of Palin, too, eh?

Just because he's Hollywood doesn't mean he can't be right.

I have no idea the impression you're referring to

[Drew Dowdell]

The partisan gang-banging in here speaks volumes.

Had McCain picked Christine Todd Whitmann, I would have come to the conclusion that he's serious about the economy and serious about the environment.... or just plain serious period.

Whitmann is an environmentalist former two term NJ Governor who cut taxes and balanced the state budget. The then was head of the EPA.

[Croc]

Ok, well even if she has some wacko religious beliefs, that doesn't mean she's going to be able to make you or anyone else in the country follow them, even if she becomes president.

Dude. Executive power provides for Judiciary appointments, which are then lifetime appointments. How the way the Supreme Court functions for the next decade or two isn't a big deal to you I cannot fathom.

[Drew Dowdell]

Anyone else see that state spending in Alaska increased 30% in the two years Palin has been governor? She was able to keep the budget in good shape by raising taxes. And that "bridge to nowhere" money was kept by the state and used for things other than a bridge to nowhere.

Did you know there is a second $600 million dollar bridge that she does still support (as of now at least) that would allow residents from her home town to get to Anchorage faster.....?

I'll try and get more links later.

[balthazar]

PCS- >>"Palin is far from being Catholic, she is a Pentecostal. She wants to have a direct personal experience of God through the Baptism of the Holy Spirit, speaking in tongues etc. They believe the earth is only 5000 years old and dinosaurs existed 4000 years ago."<<

>>>Pentecostalism is an umbrella term including a wide range of different theological and organizational perspectives. As a result, there is no central organization or church which directs the movement.<<< --wiki

Are you sure about exactly what she believes?

Obama is far from being a Catholic, he practices black liberation theology (and so does his wife, whom he has stated would be one of his top advisors):

>>>Black theology refuses to accept a God who is not identified totally with the goals of the black community. If God is not for us and against white people, then he is a murderer, and we had better kill him. The task of black theology is to kill Gods who do not belong to the black community ... Black theology will accept only the love of God which participates in the destruction of the white enemy. What we need is the divine love as expressed in Black Power, which is the power of black people to destroy their oppressors here and now by any means at their disposal.<<< --wiki

I'm sure both would be equally driven to force their religions on the rest of the country by radical law... OR... perhaps they can both separate their personal beliefs from what they believe is good/right for the country. You know- like individual freedom of religion. You can't legitimately have it 2 ways here. Either this sh!t is important across the board of candidates, or it's not.

-- -- -- -- --

Oldsmoboi- >>"Just because he's Hollywood doesn't mean he can't be right."<<

No, he could get lucky, I suppose, but living in that cocaine-infused fantasyworld doesn't make even that likely. The entire entertainment industry is a liberal wacko-ward :

>>>"I think America has no experience with terrorism or even with war. In Europe, we know a little bit more about these things." -- Bono

Like how to appease and make multimillion dollar deals with dictators who support terrorists?

"America has never paid any attention to other people, so it's absurd for Bush to say that it's all in the best interests of the Iraqi people." -- Richard Gere

Yeah! Yeah! We never paid any attention to the Jews, or the French, or the Russians, or the Mexicans, or the Spanish, or the British, or the Kuwaitis, or the Bosnians, or anyone else! We are so totally all about isolationism.

"Have we gone to war yet? We f'ing deserve to get bombed. Bring it on." -- Chrissie Hynde.

By "we," do you mean you and the French, since that's where you're living? Because if that's the case, then I wholeheartedly agree with you.

"Melt their weapons, melt their hearts, melt their anger with love." -- Shirley MacLaine on her anti-terrorism policy.

'While they melt your skin with searing hot iron rods.' -- Iraqi Prisoners on the torture policy of Saddam and his thugs.

"This is a racist and imperialist war. The warmongers who stole the White House have hijacked a nation's grief and turned it into a perpetual war on any non-white country they choose to describe as terrorist." -- Woody Harrelson

'And right after I finish smoking this shirt made of hemp, I'm gonna go visit my convicted murderer father in prison and hire him to kill the President, as soon as I get out of rehab.<<<

Maybe they're right, too, eh?

-- -- -- -- --

>>"Had McCain picked Christine Todd Whitmann, I would have come to the conclusion that he's serious about the economy and serious about the environment.... or just plain serious period."<<

Don't leave out that just about the last thing we heard publically from Whitman was that the air in NYC right after 9/11 was 'OKily-dOKily'. Or was she not being serious there?

[Drew Dowdell]

Oldsmoboi- >>"Just because he's Hollywood doesn't mean he can't be right."<<

No, he could get lucky, I suppose, but living in that cocaine-infused fantasyworld doesn't make even that likely. The entire entertainment industry is a liberal wacko-ward :

>>>"I think America has no experience with terrorism or even with war. In Europe, we know a little bit more about these things." -- Bono

Like how to appease and make multimillion dollar deals with dictators who support terrorists?

"America has never paid any attention to other people, so it's absurd for Bush to say that it's all in the best interests of the Iraqi people." -- Richard Gere

Yeah! Yeah! We never paid any attention to the Jews, or the French, or the Russians, or the Mexicans, or the Spanish, or the British, or the Kuwaitis, or the Bosnians, or anyone else! We are so totally all about isolationism.

"Have we gone to war yet? We f'ing deserve to get bombed. Bring it on." -- Chrissie Hynde.

By "we," do you mean you and the French, since that's where you're living? Because if that's the case, then I wholeheartedly agree with you.

"Melt their weapons, melt their hearts, melt their anger with love." -- Shirley MacLaine on her anti-terrorism policy.

'While they melt your skin with searing hot iron rods.' -- Iraqi Prisoners on the torture policy of Saddam and his thugs.

"This is a racist and imperialist war. The warmongers who stole the White House have hijacked a nation's grief and turned it into a perpetual war on any non-white country they choose to describe as terrorist." -- Woody Harrelson

'And right after I finish smoking this shirt made of hemp, I'm gonna go visit my convicted murderer father in prison and hire him to kill the President, as soon as I get out of rehab.<<<

Maybe they're right, too, eh?

-- -- -- -- --

>>"Had McCain picked Christine Todd Whitmann, I would have come to the conclusion that he's serious about the economy and serious about the environment.... or just plain serious period."<<

Don't leave out that just about the last thing we heard publically from Whitman was that the air in NYC right after 9/11 was 'OKily-dOKily'. Or was she not being serious there?

All of those other actors being wrong/crazy doesn't mean that Matt Damon is also.

Oh noess1!!!11 Whitmann said one dumb thing! Can we start counting Palin's dumb statements?

[Robert Hall]

Had McCain picked Christine Todd Whitmann, I would have come to the conclusion that he's serious about the economy and serious about the environment.... or just plain serious period.

Whitmann is an environmentalist former two term NJ Governor who cut taxes and balanced the state budget. The then was head of the EPA.

+1. Yes, Whitman would have been a credible, rational choice. Palin represents the lunatic fringe.

[Drew Dowdell]

+1. Yes, Whitman would have been a credible, rational choice. Palin represents the lunatic fringe.

If nothing else, McCain wouldn't have been subjected to all this ridicule.

[BigPontiac]

This clip on SNL last night was pretty funny spoofing Palin/Clinton together. Link to SNL Clip.

[Intrepidation]

:rotflmao:

[ocnblu]

"If nothing else, McCain wouldn't have been subjected to all this ridicule."

Ridicule from the far left... OMG I bet he is sooo scurred.

[Drew Dowdell]

"If nothing else, McCain wouldn't have been subjected to all this ridicule."

Ridicule from the far left... OMG I bet he is sooo scurred.

I am not far left and I'm ridiculing him for it. There are Republicans who don't approve of his pick.

The point is, had he picked a more worthy VP of either gender, he would not be subjected to this now. Off the top of my head, Whittman would have made a decent choice if he wanted a woman VP. Half of the criticism would melt away because few could argue with her credentials and only her policies would be left.

[ocnblu]

Time will tell. Right now though, these political threads are getting borrrrring...

[LosAngeles]

I wanna go in DEEP on some of you right now, but you're doing an extremely good job of showing how you really are, so I'm just gonna sit back and let you fall into the trap and hang yourselves.

All I'm gonna say is this: With the fear and suspicion I hear in the people's thoughts these days, America is finished.

[Croc]

I wanna go in DEEP on some of you right now, but you're doing an extremely good job of showing how you really are, so I'm just gonna sit back and let you fall into the trap and hang yourselves.

The f@#k is that supposed to mean? Frankly, it's really telling that the majority of your recent posts are caustic and/or threatening. If you can't handle the heat, stay out of the kitchen. These threads are in good humor, and nobody should be taking them seriously to the point of getting pissy.

[Oracle of Delphi]

This clip on SNL last night was pretty funny spoofing Palin/Clinton together. Link to SNL Clip.

:rotflmao:

[LosAngeles]

The f@#k is that supposed to mean? Frankly, it's really telling that the majority of your recent posts are caustic and/or threatening. If you can't handle the heat, stay out of the kitchen. These threads are in good humor, and nobody should be taking them seriously to the point of getting pissy.

Let's just say we see this through different eyes.

And I'm gonna continue to maintain that talk of things like politics and religion is simply not a place to go on a board that should stay humorous and fun.

Trust, I have very strong views on those topics, and I could go real hard, but I also know better to understand this isn't the place for them, just like this isn't the place to talk our tastes in porn. I'm not here to polarize the climate.

So, please, Croc. Relax. I'm here to have my opinion just like you are.

[Satty]

An interesting Washingto Post article about Palin's experience as mayor.

The mayor oversees a police department created three years before Palin took office; the public works department; the parks and recreation department; a planning office; a library; and a small history museum. Council meetings are in the low-ceilinged basement of the town hall, a former school, and often the only residents who show up to testify are two gadflies. When Palin was mayor, the population was just 5,500

Again, she's barely more qualified than I am.

[ocnblu]

The people of Alaska must have thought she was qualified. They VOTED her mayor and then governor.

[Oracle of Delphi]

I think the Political talk will die down, after the election. Then we can all go back to watching GM switch from RWD to FWD again.

[Oracle of Delphi]

The people of Alaska must have thought she was qualified. They VOTED her mayor and then governor.

Two Eskimos and a Polar bear do not constitute an electorate.

[Croc]

Let's just say we see this through different eyes.

And I'm gonna continue to maintain that talk of things like politics and religion is simply not a place to go on a board that should stay humorous and fun.

Trust, I have very strong views on those topics, and I could go real hard, but I also know better to understand this isn't the place for them, just like this isn't the place to talk our tastes in porn. I'm not here to polarize the climate.

So, please, Croc. Relax. I'm here to have my opinion just like you are.

Cool, you don't want to talk politics, then don't participate in those threads. But the mods have decided that civil political discourse is part of the site. It has nothing to do with "understanding better" or anything like that--the rulemakers have made a ruling, and the lounge is pretty much the place for everything.

Obviously we don't talk about porn tastes in the lounge, otherwise it would have to be an 18+ forum.

My point is that, fine, for whatever reason you don't think politics is appropriate on this site--fine. That's your opinion and your prerogative to not like that. But you've stated it numerous times, and yet you continue to post caustic remarks towards the people who are contributing to political threads and aren't doing so in violation of site rules.

Political threads have to be tagged as (Political) now, so avoid those if they make you uncomfortable. But don't throw static to the people who are participating in those threads, because the mods have decided there's nothing wrong with it.

[ocnblu]

Borger why you gotta add insult to injury by posting something so hateful in such a hateful thread about a totally different subject?

[Satty]

I think GM's recent suckfest is why political talk has taken over. Sema starts on election day, so we'll have wacky car stuff to talk about. The L.A. show is in late November, so we'll have car stuff to take us up through the holidays, then Detroit and Chicago to distract everyone during the inauguration and first 100 days (when stuff supposedly gets done) then I'm sure GM will f@#k something up early in the spring and we'll be back into the no good auto news problem.

[ocnblu]

Somebody traded in a yellow Olds Custom Cruiser of your Buick's vintage this week. It sits parked forlornly in our holding yard, ready to go either to auction or junk. I want to investigate and see what kind of shape it's in tomorrow.