McCain's trend

[mustang84]

Now how's that? I know both Indiana and California have dedicated special-needs programs so things like that don't happen. Sounds like a budget issue on the part of the district...

They do have special needs programs as far as I know. But apparently the rules changed under NCLB and now the kids have to spend a majority of the time in the classroom with the regular kids (hence No Child Left Behind). I remember when I was a kid the special needs kids had their own classrooms and only participated with the whole class in activities like music, art, and sometimes P.E. But when it came to textbook classes, they went to the special education rooms.

Her class is only about 15 kids, but five of them are special needs kids and she spends so much time babysitting those five instead of teaching the whole class. Besides the poop kid, there is one that is so afraid of germs that she will freak out if anyone even brushes against her, two others that are severe ADHD, and the last one has behavioral issues because his dad is a meth head and his mom is basically psycho. My mom actually bought him school supplies because his deadbeat parents never got around to it.

[Croc]

http://governor.mo.gov/cgi-bin/coranto/vie...p;tmpl=newsitem

a video composing a lot of news stations http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQ2DXN3aOSo

I clicked the link, and all I saw were the dame quotes you quoted. Funny thing is, I see not one word of what Obama allegedly even did, just condemnation of "his actions." Tell me, what was it? And don't say trying to suppress his critics with law enforcement...what is he accused of ACTUALLY doing that is being called suppression by an obvious political opponent?

[Croc]

They do have special needs programs as far as I know. But apparently the rules changed under NCLB and now the kids have to spend a majority of the time in the classroom with the regular kids (hence No Child Left Behind). I remember when I was a kid the special needs kids had their own classrooms and only participated with the whole class in activities like music, art, and sometimes P.E. But when it came to textbook classes, they went to the special education rooms.

Her class is only about 15 kids, but five of them are special needs kids and she spends so much time babysitting those five instead of teaching the whole class. Besides the poop kid, there is one that is so afraid of germs that she will freak out if anyone even brushes against her, two others that are severe ADHD, and the last one has behavioral issues because his dad is a meth head and his mom is basically psycho. My mom actually bought him school supplies because his deadbeat parents never got around to it.

Yeah, what you describe is definitely a district reaction to NCLB. From the tiny class size, I'm guessing it had to do with funding separate special needs programs getting cut in order to fund the new NCLB bureaucracy.

Your mother sounds very dedicated...many teachers wouldn't put up with that kind of environment. Is she actually a credentialed special needs instructor, or did the district just say "here you go!"?

Edited September 30, 2008 by Croc

[mustang84]

Yeah, what you describe is definitely a district reaction to NCLB. From the tiny class size, I'm guessing it had to do with funding separate special needs programs getting cut in order to fund the new NCLB bureaucracy.

Your mother sounds very dedicated...many teachers wouldn't put up with that kind of environment. Is she actually a credentialed special needs instructor, or did the district just say "here you go!"?

It's a small school district (those 15 kids comprise the entire 2nd grade), but they have a high proportion of special needs kids for some reason. Mostly because the demographics of the area changed over the last 25 years as the farm families moved out and were replaced with drugged up, deadbeat parents.

She used to love teaching, but she says every year the kids and the parents get worse. Each year there are fewer "good kids" than the last. A lot of the parents never show up to teacher conferences anymore. I think it's really worn her down the last few years, to the point where she's ready for retirement (which is still a little ways off).

[loki]

sorry to hear that Stang.

NCLB sounds like it's just a collectivist program... you're all Nth grade you should beable to do this..instead of treating them individually. that environment is hurting your mom and the other kids that are actually trying to learn. these type of programs are what will speed our downfall. and make the road back up harder.

[Teh Ricer Civic!]

Well since Pelosi believes this entire crisis is due to Bush...

here's a nice collection of CSPAN reporting on the hearings for the regulation of Freddie Mac and Fanny Mae. Plus some nice points from Barney Frank. And of course all the little splash screens in-between congresspeople is biased and somewhat misleading... but the clips still speak for themselves.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MGT_cSi7Rs

And by 2004 the republican stranglehold on congress was essentially vanished, while they had 1 extra guy in the senate, in the house they were only up by like 17 seats, however there were a number of rather liberal Republicans who would have voted against this anyways, which negates their majority.

Edited September 30, 2008 by Teh Ricer Civic!

[Satty]

2/3s of Republicans are liberal Republicans? So much for McCain's leadership skills, he suspended his campaign, then said he had Republicans rallied around it, then most Republicans voted against it, including the entire Arizona delegation.

[Teh Ricer Civic!]

2/3s of Republicans are liberal Republicans? So much for McCain's leadership skills, he suspended his campaign, then said he had Republicans rallied around it, then most Republicans voted against it, including the entire Arizona delegation.

More like around 12, which is enough to negate the small majority that they had in 2004.

[loki]

disney spliced cartoon on inflation. lol nice.

[loki]

yes BO and JM's are over 5 years and RP's is only over 1-2 years...

but the type of "companies" are interesting

[gm4life]

Get a load of this... It is bad... Really sad like the coloring books Hitler gave the young kids... I was laughing but I think it is just scary... Can I hear a cheer for socialism?

[Teh Ricer Civic!]

yes BO and JM's are over 5 years and RP's is only over 1-2 years...

but the type of "companies" are interesting

On the same token, McCains largest contributor is only $7000 more than the smallest one shown on Obama's chart.

and LOL Ron Paul has a donation from the US POSTAL SERVICE? lol

Get a load of this... It is bad... Really sad like the coloring books Hitler gave the young kids... I was laughing but I think it is just scary... Can I hear a cheer for socialism?

Haha, yeah when i saw those kids singing it reminded me of the Nazi youth party somewhat also. Why aren't there kids singing for McCain? Clearly we need affirmative action to get kids to sing for McCain.

Edited October 2, 2008 by Teh Ricer Civic!

[Teh Ricer Civic!]

yes BO and JM's are over 5 years and RP's is only over 1-2 years...

but the type of "companies" are interesting

On the same token, McCains largest contributor is only $7000 more than the smallest one shown on Obama's chart.

and LOL Ron Paul has a donation from the US POSTAL SERVICE? lol

[Robert Hall]

On the same token, McCains largest contributor is only $7000 more than the smallest one shown on Obama's chart.

and LOL Ron Paul has a donation from the US POSTAL SERVICE? lol

Haha, yeah when i saw those kids singing it reminded me of the Nazi youth party somewhat also. Why aren't there kids singing for McCain? Clearly we need affirmative action to get kids to sing for McCain.

I can't imagine anyone singing for a boring old guy like McCain..say what you want about Obama, at least he inspires enthusiasm in people, unlike McCain who puts people to sleep with his tired schtick..

[Teh Ricer Civic!]

http://www.newsmax.com/timmerman/Obama_fun.../29/135718.html

[Robert Hall]

http://www.newsmax.com/timmerman/Obama_fun.../29/135718.html

I wouldn't believe anything from Newsmax..isn't that right wing propaganda posing as 'news'?

[Teh Ricer Civic!]

I wouldn't believe anything from Newsmax..isn't that right wing propaganda posing as 'news'?

I dunno probably, thats why i didn't actually comment on it.

[Drew Dowdell]

Get a load of this... It is bad... Really sad like the coloring books Hitler gave the young kids... I was laughing but I think it is just scary... Can I hear a cheer for socialism?

Hip hip hurrah!?

Oh, you meant socialism where poor people get money instead of it being shoveled to the rich few......

[siegen]

I keep forgetting that Obama had a tough campaign against Hilary prior to the campaign against McCain.

[A Horse With No Name]

Hip hip hurrah!?

Oh, you meant socialism where poor people get money instead of it being shoveled to the rich few......

+1

Chris

[Enzora]

Get a load of this... It is bad... Really sad like the coloring books Hitler gave the young kids... I was laughing but I think it is just scary... Can I hear a cheer for socialism?

Reductio ad Hitlerum? Really? Weak.

[Teh Ricer Civic!]

Hip hip hurrah!?

Oh, you meant socialism where poor people get money instead of it being shoveled to the rich few......

Right cause Bush is the epitome of conservative thought on the economy right? What few republicans still supported him i believe have fallen off significantly after his handling of this crisis. He would have been far better served if he had come out to the PUBLIC in the earlier part of this decade saying that be believed Freddie and Fannie would become a threat. This would have given him a lot of credibility and could potentially have averted this whole mess. It may be represented in the widespread reluctance to pass the bill in the house by Republicans. And now the Senate has gone and added continuing tax breaks (which is not a bad thing) as well as some pork and other junk which brings the total to around $850 billion and they expect it to pass in the house.

This is an example of Keynesian economies, all of it, including bailout freddy and fannie. Keynesian economics is typically the hallmark of the democrats as conservatives either follow supply side (which is essentially neo-classical economic thought) or a few like Ron Paul follow the so-called Austrian Economics (which is generally eerily correct in predicting future market trends and events). Keynesian economists believe the government can control the economy in every way through heavy involvement. I guess they easily forget the massive inflation they managed to cause not but a few decades ago, and starting in 1977 the programs to get banks to make loans to people who otherwise could not afford houses. I guess this same line of thought that brought GSE's into existence is a good thing too (well Fannie Mae came into existence in the late 30s but its a similar idea). We wouldn't be in this mess if it were not for those two. Because they are sponsored by the government people assumed (accurately) that the government would cover anything they put out and so were considered riskless when CLEARLY they were not. and now it is a burden of the state.

And don't go around saying this is all the problem of repealing the glass-segal act in 1999. If it weren't for that act you would be seeing many of the current acquisitions that you are seeing today. Many of these financial institutes would have failed and they wouldn't have been bought out by other financial institutes. In fact it has helped through this damn mess. Even a former Clinton-era guy (i don't remember the name off the top of my head) has said that this is not the problem of the 1999 act.

Keynesian and liberals think the government can stick their hands in every little thing and everything will be A-OK, and then when things go sour you quickly blame the "Evil market" for destroying everything when it is in fact these same people that have encouraged this behavior!

edit:: here is a link to 3 men who hold considerable responsibility for a lot of this mess http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/...44554-1,00.html

It should be of note that all of these people have at least some ties to economic advising to the Obama campaign (However minute they may be, it still reflects a poor sense of judgment on Obama's part).

Edited October 2, 2008 by Teh Ricer Civic!

[mustang84]

Make-Believe Maverick

A closer look at the life and career of John McCain reveals a disturbing record of recklessness and dishonesty

By TIM DICKINSON

At Fort McNair, an army base located along the Potomac River in the nation's capital, a chance reunion takes place one day between two former POWs. It's the spring of 1974, and Navy commander John Sidney McCain III has returned home from the experience in Hanoi that, according to legend, transformed him from a callow and reckless youth into a serious man of patriotism and purpose. Walking along the grounds at Fort McNair, McCain runs into John Dramesi, an Air Force lieutenant colonel who was also imprisoned and tortured in Vietnam.

McCain is studying at the National War College, a prestigious graduate program he had to pull strings with the Secretary of the Navy to get into. Dramesi is enrolled, on his own merit, at the Industrial College of the Armed Forces in the building next door.

There's a distance between the two men that belies their shared experience in North Vietnam — call it an honor gap. Like many American POWs, McCain broke down under torture and offered a "confession" to his North Vietnamese captors. Dramesi, in contrast, attempted two daring escapes. For the second he was brutalized for a month with daily torture sessions that nearly killed him. His partner in the escape, Lt. Col. Ed Atterberry, didn't survive the mistreatment. But Dramesi never said a disloyal word, and for his heroism was awarded two Air Force Crosses, one of the service's highest distinctions. McCain would later hail him as "one of the toughest guys I've ever met."

On the grounds between the two brick colleges, the chitchat between the scion of four-star admirals and the son of a prizefighter turns to their academic travels; both colleges sponsor a trip abroad for young officers to network with military and political leaders in a distant corner of the globe.

"I'm going to the Middle East," Dramesi says. "Turkey, Kuwait, Lebanon, Iran."

"Why are you going to the Middle East?" McCain asks, dismissively.

"It's a place we're probably going to have some problems," Dramesi says.

"Why? Where are you going to, John?"

"Oh, I'm going to Rio."

"What the hell are you going to Rio for?"

McCain, a married father of three, shrugs.

"I got a better chance of getting laid."

Dramesi, who went on to serve as chief war planner for U.S. Air Forces in Europe and commander of a wing of the Strategic Air Command, was not surprised. "McCain says his life changed while he was in Vietnam, and he is now a different man," Dramesi says today. "But he's still the undisciplined, spoiled brat that he was when he went in."

McCAIN FIRST

This is the story of the real John McCain, the one who has been hiding in plain sight. It is the story of a man who has consistently put his own advancement above all else, a man willing to say and do anything to achieve his ultimate ambition: to become commander in chief, ascending to the one position that would finally enable him to outrank his four-star father and grandfather.

In its broad strokes, McCain's life story is oddly similar to that of the current occupant of the White House. John Sidney McCain III and George Walker Bush both represent the third generation of American dynasties. Both were born into positions of privilege against which they rebelled into mediocrity. Both developed an uncanny social intelligence that allowed them to skate by with a minimum of mental exertion. Both struggled with booze and loutish behavior. At each step, with the aid of their fathers' powerful friends, both failed upward. And both shed their skins as Episcopalian members of the Washington elite to build political careers as self-styled, ranch-inhabiting Westerners who pray to Jesus in their wives' evangelical churches.

In one vital respect, however, the comparison is deeply unfair to the current president: George W. Bush was a much better pilot.

Read the other nine pages below:

http://www.rollingstone.com/news/coverstor...n_mccain/page/1

[Satty]

Didn't McCain tell the Vietnamese everything they wanted to know after like a week as a POW? And didn't he leave his crippled wife for a woman worth $100 million? Douchebag.

[longtooth]

Nothing connotes sincerity as a strained grimace which McCain purports to be a smile. He is Nosferatu. Das Wampire. Vlad Dracul.

[mustang84]

After reading that article, McCain sounds a lot like the type of people I really despise. The kind that take every shortcut possible through life and embellish their past in order to get ahead. They have nothing but hollow character and weak wills.

[loki]

After reading that article, McCain sounds a lot like the type of people I really despise. The kind that take every shortcut possible through life and embellish their past in order to get ahead. They have nothing but hollow character and weak wills.

is that >90% of "life long" politicians anyway? lol

[Drew Dowdell]

So you are denying that what is happening now is socialism? I'll give you a pass if you'll concede that we're now a Kleptocracy.

We are privatizing the gains and socializing the losses. It's welfare for the rich.

But I like this part the best..... the problem becomes the solution to the problem!

And don't go around saying this is all the problem of repealing the glass-segal act in 1999. If it weren't for that act you would be seeing many of the current acquisitions that you are seeing today. Many of these financial institutes would have failed and they wouldn't have been bought out by other financial institutes. In fact it has helped through this damn mess. Even a former Clinton-era guy (i don't remember the name off the top of my head) has said that this is not the problem of the 1999 act.

We need banks... we just don't need these banks.

[mustang84]

is that >90% of "life long" politicians anyway? lol

Yeah, but McCain has based his entire campaign on "country first." The more we hear about the guy's past, the more of a sleazeball he looks.

[loki]

a "stock market/banker" guy (not really sure) came into my work and talked to my boss... I said..."we shouldn't let the government get involved" or something very close to it like this is what happens when the gov does things and he said, yeah but we have that or FDIC gets used... which of course is just more Gov getting involved...

edit...grammar and such.

Edited October 4, 2008 by loki

[gm4life]

Yeah, but McCain has based his entire campaign on "country first." The more we hear about the guy's past, the more of a sleazeball he looks.

Yeah if I look back at McCains record it really doesn't scream "sleazeball" it screams Country First. McCain Feingold is a good example and that is the kind of leadership we need people that can work across party lines. Not a junior senator from IL with dangerous friends and an extreme "liberal" reccord. Oh and buisness's need record high taxes so they don't have as much money to hire new employee's. Obama doesn't get it when Wallstreet is doing well that same is happening on mainstreet. Smug b*stard.

I must give him credit his four more years of Bush is working but John McCain is no George Bush. His socialism views to rob from the rich and give to the poor and the goverment is going to save your a$$ work on many middle class people but not on me. That is socialism and why punish the folks whom take the risks and invest the most? Is he trying to send the economy down the $h!ter even further. But the give back to the many and steal alot from the few seems to be working for him but that is socialism and that is the WORST kind of goverment. He is reminding me more of Hitler... That is why I posted the sing for Obama video, it is truly scary if I thought this would work I would vote for it. I have seen my fair share of public servants and McCain is not your average repubilcan nor is Palin and trust me our world will be safer and we will have domestic oil something I have been screaming about for the last 10 years.

Edited October 4, 2008 by gm4life

[loki]

Yeah if I look back at McCains record it really doesn't scream "sleazeball" it screams Country First. McCain Feingold is a good example and that is the kind of leadership we need people that can work across party lines.

sorry... that screams limiting freedom of speech...that is most certainly not country first. not that BO is any better, he wants to send even more of our money overseas for the "world poverty tax"

[loki]

a blog entry about the "Obama Paradox" concerning foreign affairs.

http://blog.contempomag.com/2008/10/04/doe...foreign-policy/

Let’s remember who Barack Obama says influenced him “more than anyone else” in foreign policy, Zbigniew Brzezinski. During the Carter Adminstration, he was the principal author of the Islamic uprising the Afghanistan that did ultimately drive the Russians out but also created the Osama Bin Laden legend. Many argue that Brzezinski’s core philosophy is to divide and conquer separate different groups and prevent centralization. The best method is through covert support of opposing factions even if they are potentially hostile to long term goals as they are a means to an end. His critics have called him ruthless and dogmatic but practical. For example, Mr. Brezinki was widely criticized for “forcing Israel to give up the Sinai” in return for peace with Egypt. He praised Obama saying “What makes Obama attractive to me is that he understands that we live in a very different world where we have to relate to a variety of cultures and peoples.”In 1998, when asked by a reporter if supporting an Islamic terrorist could create a problem for the world, he had a one word answer “Nonsense”.

[Drew Dowdell]

If the McCain campaign wants a donation from me... I'll see if I can find some

[gm4life]

At this point it is Obama's to lose but will he?

[Drew Dowdell]

At this point it is Obama's to lose but will he?

McCain is using campaign navigational maps left by Karl Rove and is aiming himself full speed for the ice berg. It's gotten to the point where the sleaze coming from the McCain campaign is just backlashing on him.

[Satty]

It looks like Obama is going all out with the Charles Keating thing. About time.

[gm4life]

Yes and there exposing Barack Obama "friends" like Bill Ayers and Rev. Wright, fair game in my mind. Honestly he got his start in Bill's house for God-sakes this man is scary and is not the mainstream man he claims. His policies and especially taxes scare me, and also he association with Acorn only contributing to the housing problem. Acorn has had records of voter fraud, and also forcing officals into letting risky loans be given to folks whom got a loan for more than they could afford. So we have Ayers a man whom proclaims he hates this country and as for Rev. Wright he believes America got what it had coming. Yup that is right Obama has had contact with crazies like that. Same old Washington politican just like everyone other one. Obama also has a college history that is unknown you can't even get a transcript and people have tried and tried again and how did he get into Harvard law? Barack has done what is the best for him politically if Ayers could help him he met in his house and now that he is hurting his campigen he moves away and slides the issues under the bus. Same thing with Rev. Wright when Wright was able to help him he took that with open arms and when American people got a hold of him and found out what an anti-American jerk he is and that was Obama's spiritual advisor and also was incorperated in one of his books. Yup he is mainstream and has great friends whom love this country. The sad thing is the folks can't look through his big words and see the real Obama.

[ocnblu]

There are a lot of uncivilised, unfair and uncalled-for comments in this thread. Some made by me, and some made by people who chastised me but are doing the same thing I was doing. That is a double standard and it shows bias. Edited October 7, 2008 by ocnblu

[Drew Dowdell]

Yes and there exposing Barack Obama "friends" like Bill Ayers and Rev. Wright, fair game in my mind. Honestly he got his start in Bill's house for God-sakes this man is scary and is not the mainstream man he claims. His policies and especially taxes scare me, and also he association with Acorn only contributing to the housing problem. Acorn has had records of voter fraud, and also forcing officals into letting risky loans be given to folks whom got a loan for more than they could afford. So we have Ayers a man whom proclaims he hates this country and as for Rev. Wright he believes America got what it had coming. Yup that is right Obama has had contact with crazies like that. Same old Washington politican just like everyone other one. Obama also has a college history that is unknown you can't even get a transcript and people have tried and tried again and how did he get into Harvard law? Barack has done what is the best for him politically if Ayers could help him he met in his house and now that he is hurting his campigen he moves away and slides the issues under the bus. Same thing with Rev. Wright when Wright was able to help him he took that with open arms and when American people got a hold of him and found out what an anti-American jerk he is and that was Obama's spiritual advisor and also was incorperated in one of his books. Yup he is mainstream and has great friends whom love this country. The sad thing is the folks can't look through his big words and see the real Obama.

And all of that makes voting for an unstable, geriatric, 5 time face cancer survivor who picked Sarah W. Bush as his successor, was a major contributor to the legislation that caused this whole financial fiasco, and has completely shed his "straight talk" credentials so he can Rove-bash his opponent, ok?

[ocnblu]

Uncivilised, uncalled-for, unfair. Double-standard. Abuse of power.

[Camino LS6]

I think this thread crossed over into pointless territory a long time ago.

Let's just let this one die.

[mustang84]

Back on topic:

A video released today detailing McCain's ties to the Savings & Loan crisis of the late 80s. Watch and judge for yourself.

http://www.keatingeconomics.com/

[Croc]

Back on topic:

A video released today detailing McCain's ties to the Savings & Loan crisis of the late 80s. Watch and judge for yourself.

http://www.keatingeconomics.com/

Thanks for posting the link--I've heard this alluded to, but I haven't been around long enough to really be aware of this. I have some new things to research now...

[Robert Hall]

How about something light and humorous---I saw something this morning I should have taken a pic of... a guy in traffic had a W04 sticker, a McCain-Palin bumper sticker, a 'Veterans for McCain' decal, and a huge hand-lettered 'Country First' logo in the rear window. The irony--the car was a late model white Toyota Corolla. What a tool...

[A Horse With No Name]

McCain is using campaign navigational maps left by Karl Rove and is aiming himself full speed for the ice berg. It's gotten to the point where the sleaze coming from the McCain campaign is just backlashing on him.

One can only hope this backlash trend will continue.

Chris

[A Horse With No Name]

Back on topic:

A video released today detailing McCain's ties to the Savings & Loan crisis of the late 80s. Watch and judge for yourself.

http://www.keatingeconomics.com/

Thanks for the link!

Chris

[A Horse With No Name]

I think this thread crossed over into pointless territory a long time ago.

Let's just let this one die.

Actually, I think a lot of people rightfully feel a lot of anger about what is going on in this country, and I think getting in here and yelling at each other is thearaputic, if nothing else.

However, I still hold John McCain in contempt, as I do both Bushes and Reagan.

Chris

[Robert Hall]

As seen on CNN:

"McCain "has signaled to his supporters that he is going to be very aggressive in this debate," Obama campaign spokesman David Axelrod said en route from Asheville, North Carolina, to Nashville, Tennessee, on Tuesday.

"He is going to take the gloves off. So I hope in the course of it, he has time to speak to the state of our economy, which is in deep trouble right now."

Axelrod said Obama is "prepared for a very aggressive debate."

Speaking of 'very aggressive' and gloves off, I'd love to see the debate devolve into an out-and-out fist fight, them throwing chairs and punches, etc...that could make for must see TV... (I wonder if presidential debates ever devolved into to fights back in the 1800s...)

Edited October 7, 2008 by moltar

[Satty]

They could at least play Rock'em Sock'em Robots.