Duh: Cadillac shelves that whole V12 thing

[aldw]

There's always been talk of the 3-valve VVT and DI being introduced to the line.

It will be believed whenever it shows up, as a matter of course...

Edited August 30, 2008 by aldw

[smk4565]

Guess how many people spend $70,000 on

an STS-V & care about mpg!? Guess...?

My guess is less than 2%

But more people spend $120,000 on a Lexus LS hybrid, it isn't necessarily about the gas mileage number, it is a status symbol for the "green" movement. It is why people in Sedona, AZ or Hollywood, CA that are millionaires but put solar panels on their roof or drive a Prius because they want to save the environment.

A V16 would make Cadillac look like a gas guzzler, harmful to the environment brand like Hummer is now. A smaller V12 would be nice if they had a car to use it in, but I think they'd be fine with a new DOHC V8 that can be made in 4 and 5 liter versions with or without turbos and with a hybrid option.

Another downside to a V16 is how heavy would that engine be, and how to you keep a 50/50 weight balance with that big of an engine up front. If they want to compete with the Germans they have to do it in corners also, not just a straight line.

Edited August 31, 2008 by smk4565

[Sixty8panther]

But more people spend $120,000 on a Lexus LS hybrid, it isn't necessarily about the gas mileage number, it is a status symbol for the "green" movement. It is why people in Sedona, AZ or Hollywood, CA that are millionaires but put solar panels on their roof or drive a Prius because they want to save the environment.

Are yu for real?, shifting the argument from AMGs, M5s & CTS-Vs

to hybrids & the green movement is pretty silly don't you think?

"al gore would not aprove of a V16 powered Cadillac..."

No ucfking s#it sherlock.

A V16 would make Cadillac look like a gas guzzler, harmful to the environment brand like Hummer is now.

Remind me again what the MPGs of a Bugatti Veyron?

or how about the Maybach 62? or Bentley?

[Sixty8panther]

Caddy doesn't even have a competing V8 (the Northstar is outdated) and people think they're going to consider a V16 in this marketplace? they would be lucky to sell 500 a year.

What part of "ultra luxuy" do you not understand?

Wo said GM should even sell 500 "Sixteens"?

Even if they sold 50 or 25 a year... it would do more

for Cadillac"s image here in the USA & abroad than

aything since... well since the original ohv V16.

I could just see the typical Caddy customer asking what a tuneup costs on the V16 - or typical repair costs.

Yup... I hear most Bugatti Veyron customers are very concerned

about the replaement cost of the 4 turbos... get real, this would

not be marketed as a car to replace the SLS & Catera.

never mind development cost of a V16. It's dreamworld.

At one point, the 8-liter, V10 Dodge Viper, W16 Veyron & McLaren

F1 were just figments of overactive imaginations... even the

relatively tame Gen.5 Camaro was, according to many here on C&G

said to be the stuff of fantasy...

[Robert Hall]

At one point, the 8-liter, V10 Dodge Viper, W16 Veyron & McLaren

F1 were just figments of overactive imaginations... even the

relatively tame Gen.5 Camaro was, according to many here on C&G

said to be the stuff of fantasy...

A production Sixteen would be incredible, and do wonders for Cadillac's image, but with GM in the hole it's in now, there isn't any money for such fantasy, no doubt..they are in a fight for survival now. Which means focusing on quality FWD generics for masses worldwide.

[nferr]

What part of "ultra luxuy" do you not understand?

Wo said GM should even sell 500 "Sixteens"?

Even if they sold 50 or 25 a year... it would do more

for Cadillac"s image here in the USA & abroad than

aything since... well since the original ohv V16.

Yup... I hear most Bugatti Veyron customers are very concerned

about the replaement cost of the 4 turbos... get real, this would

not be marketed as a car to replace the SLS & Catera.

At one point, the 8-liter, V10 Dodge Viper, W16 Veyron & McLaren

F1 were just figments of overactive imaginations... even the

relatively tame Gen.5 Camaro was, according to many here on C&G

said to be the stuff of fantasy...

Yeah, I can just see Bugatti custmers shopping in your typical Caddy store

Mine sells Pontiacs-GMC's and Buicks in the same showroom as Caddy. Before they took it over the old dealership sold Hyundais in the same showroom!

Caddy survives as an "affordable" American luxury brand. Today GM has no funds to take risks on $150,000 cars that will sell 100 a year. They're barely surviving at the moment.

[Sixty8panther]

Yeah, I can just see Bugatti custmers shopping in your typical Caddy store

Wow... way to insult GM you 45 time poster with a keen intelect.

In 1992, Jay Leno, (the car-guy's car guy) bought a Dodge.

Yes a fu&$ing DODGE. The same company that had a $9995

special on a mitsu-based Colt and still sold the g*d-damn

brick-on-wheels Dynasty & puke-a-rific Spirit

And yet Jay Leno paid $70,000 for a Dodge that year, just a

decade or so after Chrysler corp. declared (in layman's terms)

BANKRUPTCY.

But all you synical-sissies will reminnd me every day for

the next three decades how Cadillac has been busy selling

cars for $32K-$70K, because G*d-forbid that we elevate

Cadillac to the "standard of the world" it was for the better

part of the last century.

GM is tight on money & in dire straights because of

exactly this kind of bull$h! & mediocre thinking.

Let's get 'nother focus group together & hire a bunch

of Nabisco executives, maybe we can make a Delta

based Cimarron II & a theta based Asstek.

[nferr]

Wow... way to insult GM you 45 time poster with a keen intelect.

In 1992, Jay Leno, (the car-guy's car guy) bought a Dodge.

Yes a fu&$ing DODGE. The same company that had a $9995

special on a mitsu-based Colt and still sold the g*d-damn

brick-on-wheels Dynasty & puke-a-rific Spirit

And yet Jay Leno paid $70,000 for a Dodge that year, just a

decade or so after Chrysler corp. declared (in layman's terms)

BANKRUPTCY.

But all you synical-sissies will reminnd me every day for

the next three decades how Cadillac has been busy selling

cars for $32K-$70K, because G*d-forbid that we elevate

Cadillac to the "standard of the world" it was for the better

part of the last century.

GM is tight on money & in dire straights because of

exactly this kind of bull$h! & mediocre thinking.

Let's get 'nother focus group together & hire a bunch

of Nabisco executives, maybe we can make a Delta

based Cimarron II & a theta based Asstek.

Wow, so you think the number of posts has something to do with intellect?? No wonder you think GM is going to design a $150,000 16 cylinder Caddy to sell alongside the DTS while it flirts with bankruptcy. How about they just make a competitive large sedan first?

And I bought a new CTS last year so I've seen the Caddy shopping experience up close. The dealerships are far, far, from what most luxury car buyers expect.

Edited September 4, 2008 by nferr

[smk4565]

I get my car serviced at a Cadillac dealership and it is no nicer than the Honda dealership down the road, and pails in comparison to the Benz or Jag-Land Rover dealer that are near it. Most Cadillac dealerships aren't that nice and could use an upgrade.

They can't even make a V8, they'll never make a V16. Mark LaNave believes most luxury car buyers want a V6 engine. Which is why we get a V6 only front drive SRX and the competing vehicle from Infiniti Infiniti has a 390 hp V8 and 7-speed transmission and is rear drive.

[Sixty8panther]

Wow, so you think the number of posts has something to do with intellect??

No, of course not.

First off I owe you apology for that, I guess you just came off like

some of the angi-GM, negative Troll.... we get those from time to

time. people who have nothing positive to say get on this forum,

pull the pin out of grenade, toss it into a few threadsand then they

scram... it bugs the crap out of me.

....you think GM is going to design a $150,000 16 cylinder Caddy to sell alongside the DTS while it flirts with bankruptcy. How about they just make a competitive large sedan first?

Again, making half-assed product andtrying too sell uninspired cars

for the better part of the last 1/4 century is at least partially to

blame for how GM got in this mess to begin with!

And the SIXTEEN, if replicated in a limited run of say 1600 cars total

would, should cost more than $150,000. Probably twice that.

In any case the middle eastern sheik who offered $10,000,000 for the

concept is a great indication of how priceless such a timeless classic

would be.

It would sell millions of posters andappear in every damn magazie from

Business Week to Kids' ESPN... it would be the face that would lauch

a thousand ships, millions of kids would drool at it when it would, no

in tless TV shows, rap/rock/country music videos and a whole new

generation would be hooked on Cadillacs, instead of Bentley , BMW &

other makes that have more curbside appeal to Gen.Y.

What al of you are forgeting is the publicity factor.

And I bought a new CTS last year so I've seen the Caddy shopping experience up close. The dealerships are far, far, from what most luxury car buyers expect.

Agreed, I've been on both sides of the fence.

I will be the first to say that GM's dealer network is

an achile's heel... actually they're practically the

enemy in some cases.

-- however --

Building amodern day sixteen cylinder ultra-luxury car

has little to do with the dealer network, that needs

to be fixed regardless... even to sell $38,000 CTS out

of their current dealer networkhas its problems.

Good for you, congrats on the choice of RWD Cadillac.

[Robert Hall]

They can't even make a V8, they'll never make a V16. Mark LaNave believes most luxury car buyers want a V6 engine. Which is why we get a V6 only front drive SRX and the competing vehicle from Infiniti Infiniti has a 390 hp V8 and 7-speed transmission and is rear drive.

Yes, but Nissan has 2 international brands with platform/engine sharing...they don't have the burden that GM in NA has of supporting 6 middle brands...

[Sixty8panther]

They can't even make a V8, they'll never make a V16.

So wat, throw in the towel?

Do you really think cadillac will return to consistant, healthy

profitabiity with a bunch of crap that is mediocre & lame?

Mark LaNave believes most luxury car buyers want a V6 engine. Which is why we get a V6 only front drive SRX and the competing vehicle from Infiniti Infiniti has a 390 hp V8 and 7-speed transmission and is rear drive.

Fuc%ing put a dune cap on that retard, must be the same

dope who tought the DTS should get a few more refresh

wham-bam-thank-you-mams and it will keep seling like

hotcakes, the new SRX is no better and no less pathetic than

the damn C!marron was in 1982... since the Equinox is the

2008 equivelat of a J-body wagon!

If I was not a lifelong, diehard GM fan I'd be on

Infiniti, BMW & Mercedes forums for years now,

never looking back at GM's pathetic attempts

at clutcing at market share by STILL, 2 decades

after the almighty W-body wrote the book on a

97.5% FWD mega-giant car builder, by throwing

more FWD $h!boxes at the consumers and

pretending somehow another FWD crapbox will

sell THIS time if it wears a Cadillac crest!

[Robert Hall]

So wat, throw in the towel?

Do you really think cadillac will return to consistant, healthy

profitabiity with a bunch of crap that is mediocre & lame?

The problem is, with the 6 middle brands GM has to prop up, Cadillac can't get the investment levels needed to be a full-line world class player. Such is reality.

[Oracle of Delphi]

So wat, throw in the towel?

Do you really think cadillac will return to consistant, healthy

profitabiity with a bunch of crap that is mediocre & lame?

Fuc%ing put a dune cap on that retard, must be the same

dope who tought the DTS should get a few more refresh

wham-bam-thank-you-mams and it will keep seling like

hotcakes, the new SRX is no better and no less pathetic than

the damn C!marron was in 1982... since the Equinox is the

2008 equivelat of a J-body wagon!

If I was not a lifelong, diehard GM fan I'd be on

Infiniti, BMW & Mercedes forums for years now,

never looking back at GM's pathetic attempts

at clutcing at market share by STILL, 2 decades

after the almighty W-body wrote the book on a

97.5% FWD mega-giant car builder, by throwing

more FWD $h!boxes at the consumers and

pretending somehow another FWD crapbox will

sell THIS time if it wears a Cadillac crest!

Mark LaNave is no retard, but I think I know who is, what exactly is a Dune cap, do you mean Dunce Cap!

[Sixty8panther]

I''ve beenn havvng keybord issssues.

Seriously don't let your cat dump a glass ofice water on your laptop

Plus, I sux @ spelling anyway... Eng. IS my 2d. language :wink:

[Oracle of Delphi]

I''ve beenn havvng keybord issssues.

Seriously don't let your cat dump a glass ofice water on your laptop

Plus, I sux @ spelling anyway... Eng. IS my 2d. language :wink:

English is my 2nd language too, I still prefer German over English.

[AAS]

English is my 2nd language too, I still prefer German over English.

It's my third, and I do just fine

[Lamar]

Plus, I sux @ spelling anyway... Eng. IS my 2d. language :wink:

Curious... what's your first?

[smk4565]

I don't think they should throw in the towel, 2 years ago I said they should dump Saab, Hummer and Buick and just put more money into Cadillac. Saab and Hummer have to go, maybe dump Pontiac and keep Buick, regardless, Cadillac needs more money, more current models, nothing with a transversely mounted engine.

[nferr]

No, of course not.

First off I owe you apology for that, I guess you just came off like

some of the angi-GM, negative Troll.... we get those from time to

time. people who have nothing positive to say get on this forum,

pull the pin out of grenade, toss it into a few threadsand then they

scram... it bugs the crap out of me.

Again, making half-assed product andtrying too sell uninspired cars

for the better part of the last 1/4 century is at least partially to

blame for how GM got in this mess to begin with!

And the SIXTEEN, if replicated in a limited run of say 1600 cars total

would, should cost more than $150,000. Probably twice that.

In any case the middle eastern sheik who offered $10,000,000 for the

concept is a great indication of how priceless such a timeless classic

would be.

It would sell millions of posters andappear in every damn magazie from

Business Week to Kids' ESPN... it would be the face that would lauch

a thousand ships, millions of kids would drool at it when it would, no

in tless TV shows, rap/rock/country music videos and a whole new

generation would be hooked on Cadillacs, instead of Bentley , BMW &

other makes that have more curbside appeal to Gen.Y.

What al of you are forgeting is the publicity factor.

Agreed, I've been on both sides of the fence.

I will be the first to say that GM's dealer network is

an achile's heel... actually they're practically the

enemy in some cases.

-- however --

Building amodern day sixteen cylinder ultra-luxury car

has little to do with the dealer network, that needs

to be fixed regardless... even to sell $38,000 CTS out

of their current dealer networkhas its problems.

Good for you, congrats on the choice of RWD Cadillac.

Thank you. I love the CTS. I originally wanted an STS but for the difference in price (my CTS is an 07) the loaded up CTS offered just about everything the STS had. And it rode sportier. Thus the problem with the STS, especially compared to the 08 CTS. Don't know why Caddy didn't differentiate the STS more, instead of just softening the look. They should have stetched the frame, kept the sharp angles and gave it almost every option as standard.

As for the dealerships, its a huge problem. I had a Jag X-Type before the CTS. The Jag dealer was all new and modern, felt like a modern office buiding with nice wood touches, only Jaguars would be in the showroom. The salespeople were upscale in the way they treated you, service was unbelievable. They would pick the car up at my house in the morning and leave a loaner in my driveway. At night they would either drop the car off at my house and take the loaner back or come to my place of business, which was 50 miles from the dealer and drop off the car.

[Sixty8panther]

Lamar: Born 100% Slovakian in 1979, immigrated to USA in 1987.

--- SMK:

Kill Hummer and Saab, YES!

But go anywhere near Buick, Pontiac, Chevrolet or Cadillac

& I swear to god I;'ll pull the pin out of this grenade!

[The O.C.]

Thank you. I love the CTS. I originally wanted an STS but for the difference in price (my CTS is an 07) the loaded up CTS offered just about everything the STS had. And it rode sportier. Thus the problem with the STS, especially compared to the 08 CTS. Don't know why Caddy didn't differentiate the STS more, instead of just softening the look. They should have stetched the frame, kept the sharp angles and gave it almost every option as standard.

I have an '07 CTS too......LOVE it.....already has 37,000 miles on it and it's as tight as day one......and I've only had two very minor problems the entire time (backup lights went out, and I had one faulty tire-pressure monitor.)

What color do you have?

Mine is black/black, with the "sport" package with 18-inch polished multi-spoke wheels, and a 6-speed manual.......only option mine doesn't have is navigation (GROAN) which, for some inexplicable reason, wasn't available with the sport package.

(Edit: One thing I particularly like about my car is the absolute lack of chrome anywhere, except the "CTS" badge and the grille vents behind the black grille.....I really wish the '08 CTS offered a monochrome look. I'd like the black '08 CTS much better without the chrome around the windows or the huge chrome strip along the back of the decklid.....)

Edited September 4, 2008 by The O.C.

[nferr]

I have an '07 CTS too......LOVE it.....already has 37,000 miles on it and it's as tight as day one......and I've only had two very minor problems the entire time (backup lights went out, and I had one faulty tire-pressure monitor.)

What color do you have?

Mine is black/black, with the "sport" package with 18-inch polished multi-spoke wheels, and a 6-speed manual.......only option mine doesn't have is navigation (GROAN) which, for some inexplicable reason, wasn't available with the sport package.

Mine's silver (platinum they call it)/two tone interior, with the 17" polished sport package and the luxury package and the Bose/moonroof package. I don't have nav either, I think that's the only option I didn't get, it's an automatic. Mine only has 12,000 on it so far, because I drive my 84 Corvette a lot in the summer. In fact I've commuted in the Vette every day this week. I actually drove an 08 CTS and preferred the 07, it felt sportier and lighter to me. The 08's were just out when I got my 07. An identically equipped 08 was a lot more money and didn't have the 72 month 0% financing I got on the 07. The CTS is a real nice blend of sport/luxury.

[Sixty8panther]

I'm a big fan of chrome. LOOOOve brightwork.