HOLDEN

[Robert Hall]

The truth is out there. I want to believe.

[Sixty8panther]

PCS:

No offense but you're NOT making any sense in this situation.

You have NOT explained why/how that red zeta, whatevertis

has been proven to be quite the opposite of your claim and

furthermore you insist on digging a hole.

Sorry but I my personal opinion is that you were called out!

[HarleyEarl]

So what do you guys think of this car?

[ZL-1]

So what do you guys think of this car?

I'm assuming you mean the W427 :AH-HA_wink:

HSV body kits tend to be a little too excessive for my taste (don't really like the dark grille on the W427), but offering the Z06 engine in a sedan package is a blessing for enthusiasts with families!

Edited July 27, 2008 by ZL-1

[79VetteZ06]

A good car but way too much in price. I cannot wait for the G8 to hit the used car lot. It will be a good project for conversion by buying the LS7 off crate along with the 6-speed and get the hands dirty. Camnio, will you provide your expertise and help? :AH-HA_wink:

[Sixty8panther]

LS7 in a Zeta sedan can never be a bad thing... yes the body kit

is a bit wild but then again this aint some ricer FWD Taurus SHO,

Honda Accord EX or a Toyo-Lex ES330, this is a fire breathing,

500 horsepower BMW slayer.

Oh by the way guys... I bought a gently used McLaren F1, here's

a photo of it, parked in front of my house with my Massachusetts

plates on it. Yeah, fall hit early this year.

[Oracle of Delphi]

PCS:

No offense but you're NOT making any sense in this situation.

You have NOT explained why/how that red zeta, whatevertis

has been proven to be quite the opposite of your claim and

furthermore you insist on digging a hole.

Sorry but I my personal opinion is that you were called out!

I'm making perfect sense, I received an e-mail that the UK car was not going to be scrapped along with a pic. As for the Swiss car, I at first didn't care if it was scrapped or not, but have since changed my mind and I am working to have it sent to the States. Nothing has changed from what I told the few people about the special engine back in the late winter of 2007.

[Guest aatbloke]

I'm making perfect sense, I received an e-mail that the UK car was not going to be scrapped along with a pic. As for the Swiss car, I at first didn't care if it was scrapped or not, but have since changed my mind and I am working to have it sent to the States. Nothing has changed from what I told the few people about the special engine back in the late winter of 2007.

If you knew anything about the UK's vehicle registration system, or its laws, you'd know you were being conned.

[97regalGS]

on behalf of the membership, let me say 'thank you' for one of the best thread on this site in ages.

almost as much fun as that 'shelving' incident!!!

[Intrepidation]

It has been an entertaining thread.

[Oracle of Delphi]

If you knew anything about the UK's vehicle registration system, or its laws, you'd know you were being conned.

Why on Earth would I want to know about that? I will get to the bottom of the e-mail soon enough. There is a war going on inside GM and I have a few enemies, odd as that may seem. I'm sure you know all about having enemies aatbloke. Here's the long awaited emoticon. I aim to please!

[HarleyEarl]

Ooooh the Oldsmobile Intrigue!....this is like a Ian Flemming novel.

[Sixty8panther]

Nothing has changed from what I told the few people about the special engine back in the late winter of 2007.

Talk is cheap.

Money (or in this case REAL photos) is what REALLY talks, Bull$h! walks.

Edited July 28, 2008 by Sixty8panther

[Camino LS6]

A good car but way too much in price. I cannot wait for the G8 to hit the used car lot. It will be a good project for conversion by buying the LS7 off crate along with the 6-speed and get the hands dirty. Camnio, will you provide your expertise and help? :AH-HA_wink:

Sounds like fun to me.

[Guest aatbloke]

Why on Earth would I want to know about that? I will get to the bottom of the e-mail soon enough. There is a war going on inside GM and I have a few enemies, odd as that may seem. I'm sure you know all about having enemies aatbloke. Here's the long awaited emoticon. I aim to please!

Because had you have bothered to know, and researched the vehicle in question which involved little more work than looking at a Flickr account, you'd have saved yourself a lot of embarrassment - especially in front of another poster au fait with the UK's system. Whoever it was that sent your your claimed e-mail was merely taking you for a bit of a plonker I'm afraid.

Vauxhall's version of the W427 debuts in September. There's no way any Vauxhall employee would be allowed a prototype for use on public roads and the reasons are numerous - from the risk of protecting intellectual property issues to the car's uninsurability for a private individual, and as such the risk of contravening the legalities surrounding company car usage, all in addition to the registration issue in this case.

The Flickr account pictures state the car is a 6.0 litre VXR8, and since the car was registered in March 2008, this would hold true - the 6.2 litre upgraded model didn't filter into UK showrooms until May.

PCS, I don't live my life worrying whether I'm making friends or enemies. I'm more than happy with the social circle my wife and I have, which includes friends as well as family. I get along with pretty much anybody as long as they have a dose of common sense. And to determine one's personal friends and foes based purely on their home country's flag is ridiculously childish.

You say you have a few enemies? Fancy that.

Edited July 28, 2008 by aatbloke

[Oracle of Delphi]

Because had you have bothered to know, and researched the vehicle in question which involved little more work than looking at a Flickr account, you'd have saved yourself a lot of embarrassment - especially in front of another poster au fait with the UK's system. Whoever it was that sent your your claimed e-mail was merely taking you for a bit of a plonker I'm afraid.

Once again I did not look at a Flickr account, I received and email. You make a lot of assumptions and generalities about me and what went on and who and what I am, you seem to do that a lot and not just with me, just part of your MO I'm afraid.

PCS, I don't live my life worrying whether I'm making friends or enemies. I'm more than happy with the social circle my wife and I have, which includes friends as well as family. I get along with pretty much anybody as long as they have a dose of common sense. And to determine one's personal friends and foes based purely on their home country's flag is ridiculously childish.

I have many British friends, as I am a member of a UK gaming clan, just because I said you're Anti-American, doesn't mean I'm Anti-British, as most of my British friends would claim the opposite of me. I don't pick my friends by what flag they fly, as there are people on this forum and that I know personally in real life who live in other countries, that I am very friendly with. I am overjoyed that you have family and friends, but getting along with them as long as they have a dose of common sense is the rub, it's common sense in your eyes only, it seems. I'm not so sure you get along pretty much with anybody, as wherever you go the same old MO rears it's ugly head, you just can't help yourself. You bring chaos wherever you roam. You may be asking yourself where is my evidence of this? Allow me to introduce Exhibit A.

Feel free to read all of it, but I would suggest you start reading on page 5 and read though to page 9. I found your views enlightening to say the least, and so will all those that read it! It gives insight into you and how you operate. Same MO wherever you go. Seems you have authority issues too, you don't like mods who also post in the forums they mod, you do know that is a pillar of C&G, don't you? I personally enjoy the moderators views.

http://forums.motortrend.com/70/1062007/th...tors/page5.html

Exhibit B. Same old aatbloke.

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.p...10#post13477010

You say you have a few enemies? Fancy that.

I think you have me beat in that regard. :AH-HA_wink:

[Guest aatbloke]

Once again I did not look at a Flickr account, I received and email. You make a lot of assumptions and generalities about me and what went on and who and what I am, you seem to do that a lot and not just with me, just part of your MO I'm afraid.

You've been conned though. Even after photographic proof was provided of the same vehicle from the Flickr account, you insisted this was the car you claimed it was, and in the face of evidence pertaining to UK registrations & licencing which demonstrated that it couldn't be, nor could have been passed to a Vauxhall employee as you then claimed. Given that you claim to work in Europe for GME, I would have thought you'd have researched the claim in more detail. Can you provide pictures of the Swiss car please? This is the one of interest to me, since Switzerland isn't a market for the VXR or the HSV GTS.

I have many British friends, as I am a member of a UK gaming clan, just because I said you're Anti-American, doesn't mean I'm Anti-British, as most of my British friends would claim the opposite of me. I don't pick my friends by what flag they fly, as there are people on this forum and that I know personally in real life who live in other countries, that I am very friendly with. I am overjoyed that you have family and friends, but getting along with them as long as they have a dose of common sense is the rub, it's common sense in your eyes only, it seems.

This is interesting - here we have someone who claims to be an executive at GME, someone so senior in fact that GME actually gave him a prototype 7.0 litre performance saloon as a company car. Yes he's actively involved in an online gaming forum? Anyway, he's now going to travel to Scotland in it instead of the various Pontiacs he was making the journey in previously. Driving any Pontiac in itself would not be out of the ordinary - I myself have seen many Pontiacs on European byways with both US and European registration plates over the years, there's nothing implausible about that. But if he's willing to show off a prototype 7.0 VXR8 to the general public between Switzerland and Scotland, why not show a photo of the car on a forum he's so passionate about to fellow car enthusiasts? This is what I refer to as lacking common sense.

Talk to someone in real life, PCS - try the Ford RS club for starters - instead of people in cyberspace. You've never once said anything complimentary about England ever since I've been reading your posts ("never been to Luton, never want to" et al) - so either you truly dislike England and the English, or you're simply lying by making derogatory remarks to get a response from me. I don't see an awful lot of common sense here either.

Claiming that Vauxhall "isn't a company" when it has its own issued share capital, or "CP Forster prefers speaking German over English" when he works in a German-speaking environment, or that a vehicle with illegal UK plates and private tax disc is "a GM prototype" not only displays little common sense from those making the claims, it insults the intellect of other, more mature car enthusiasts. Your recent claims over the VXR have been of great interest to some of my own pals in the industry, and the comments made understanably disparaging. The biggest lack of knowledge I see on forums - this one and Motor Trend - is the line "all profits go to (wherever country)" because that in itself demonstrates a succinct lack of understanding as to how corporations work, what profit is, and how it can be legally distributed.

So when I say I wouldn't socialise with someone lacking common sense, the above are pretty good examples of what I'm getting at.

I'm not so sure you get along pretty much with anybody, as wherever you go the same old MO rears it's ugly head, you just can't help yourself. You bring chaos wherever you roam. You may be asking yourself where is my evidence of this? Allow me to introduce Exhibit A.

Feel free to read all of it, but I would suggest you start reading on page 5 and read though to page 9. I found your views enlightening to say the least, and so will all those that read it! It gives insight into you and how you operate. Same MO wherever you go. Seems you have authority issues too, you don't like mods who also post in the forums they mod, you do know that is a pillar of C&G, don't you? I personally enjoy the moderators views.

http://forums.motortrend.com/70/1062007/th...tors/page5.html

LOL Motor Trend was a hoot. Two colleagues and I contributed to those boards for a while. Some great people on there - ReaganLogan (who recently nominated me "most knowledgeable international poster" - how sweet (!)), MuchDrama, Zoomin, Korean Cowboy - all very knowledgeable guys, and some I keep in touch with, and if my schedule ever allows, someday I hope to meet. However, most of the MT forums are ruled by a sizeable group of so-called "domestic" fans, and a number of those have radical and ridiculous beliefs as to how people should be treated who buy foreign cars - some even believing they should be harmed or expelled from the US. The moderators at MT struggle to contain the problems they cause - which are still ongoing - and indeed the behaviour from those individuals was enough to shut Autoweek's own online forum down permanently.

Exhibit B. Same old aatbloke.

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.p...10#post13477010

I think you have me beat in that regard. :AH-HA_wink:

If you browse the UK section enough you'll see plenty of anti-US commentary from UK posters, not that I'd condone it ... but no different to the anti-European garbage spread throughout Motor Trend. I know a number of "aatblokes" in real life, but they're not all on internet forums!

I think you have me beat in that regard. :AH-HA_wink:

Hardly!

Edited July 29, 2008 by aatbloke

[02ChevySS]

post

Duck, weave, attempt to change the subject, no talk of proving the Swiss car's existence (shhh, maybe the thread will go away if its not talked about)....reminds me of a shampoo bottle:

Lather, rinse, repeat.

[97regalGS]

personally, I have a tough time believing that anyone who has 6,596 posts in 22 months has ANY job, let alone a job of any significance within GM or any other large corporation.

as for the "i only posted the picture that someone sent me without checking into it at all" seems eeerily similar to the circumstance that brought down Josiepooi. (boy, those were good times 'sniff, sniff. I miss josh)

[Guest aatbloke]

Well, a few days have passed and still no sign of these fabled Swiss HSV. I think I'll take a look on Flickr for it.

[97regalGS]

maybe you'll have better luck at www.thegmsource.com

[Intrepidation]

Well, a few days have passed and still no sign of these fabled Swiss HSV. I think I'll take a look on Flickr for it.

Well he is ona road trip, I talked to him the other night...his daughter ruined his laptop by letting the tide come in on it at a beach, so all he's got is his iPhone right now. Maybe you'll hear more when he gets back.

[Oracle of Delphi]

Odd you think I owe you a picture of anything, don't see your name on my paycheck and you're certainly not paying any of my bills. As I said, I am working hard to save this car and if I succeed at doing so, those I have promised will see it. Nothing has changed, this is exactly what I told Camino and Z28, if you don't believe me ask them. I care not what you think or believe, but do keep in mind that your name does not appear on any list to see it either, but then I wouldn't show you my 2005 Chevy Equinox for that matter. So nothing personal.

As far as online gaming goes, I enjoy it, I usually run servers for the different games I play, normally I have a server running in North America and one in Europe, I also enjoy XC bicycling too, is there some reason I shouldn't enjoy biking, because I work at GM?

You know what they say, those that can work at GM do, those that can't become accountants and blog on many forums.

[97regalGS]

Odd you think I owe you a picture of anything, don't see your name on my paycheck and you're certainly not paying any of my bills. As I said, I am working hard to save this car and if I succeed at doing so, those I have promised will see it. Nothing has changed, this is exactly what I told Camino and Z28, if you don't believe me ask them. I care not what you think or believe, but do keep in mind that your name does not appear on any list to see it either, but then I wouldn't show you my 2005 Chevy Equinox for that matter. So nothing personal.

As far as online gaming goes, I enjoy it, I usually run servers for the different games I play, normally I have a server running in North America and one in Europe, I also enjoy XC bicycling too, is there some reason I shouldn't enjoy biking, because I work at GM?

You know what they say, those that can work at GM do, those that can't become accountants and blog on many forums.

that's kinda funny, given that for the past 20+yrs, it's GM accountants that have taken the brunt of bad press for not allowing the 'car guys' to design and build the cars the public wanted, always skimping on something.

[Guest aatbloke]

Odd you think I owe you a picture of anything, don't see your name on my paycheck and you're certainly not paying any of my bills. As I said, I am working hard to save this car and if I succeed at doing so, those I have promised will see it. Nothing has changed, this is exactly what I told Camino and Z28, if you don't believe me ask them. I care not what you think or believe, but do keep in mind that your name does not appear on any list to see it either, but then I wouldn't show you my 2005 Chevy Equinox for that matter. So nothing personal.

Well in that case, I'll line up along your route between Zurich and Edinburgh then and take photos with the rest of the general public as you drive by. You owe me nothing, but if you're going to make such sensationalist claims with a vehicle which generates substantial interest with GM enthusiasts, then I do think you owe it to the entire forums. As for posting a picture from someone's Flickr account of a standard pre-upgrade 6.0 VXR with a regular private-issue tax disc and non-standard illegal plates popular with the "tuner" crowd in this country and claiming it was a prototype, all you did was make an attempt to insult my intelligence - but you did get a few laughs in the process from motoring enthusiast colleagues of mine (one of whom is a Monaro owner in actual fact) who simply thought it was a joke.

I also like the photo you posted as an avatar of the TGWU action over the then planned controversial cutbacks at Luton in December 2000, one of a series of photos posted by the union online when they threatened legal action against GME. That has nothing to do with Vauxhall as a company, but everything to do with GME's (understandable) rationalisation programme Europe-wide over the past decade, one which looks set to continue after Astra VI production starts at Ellesmere Port and Bochum, threatening cutbacks at the existing Antwerp facility or Bochum itself.

I've no doubt you have a common-or-garden 2005 Equinox, and that you live in the States doing something - somewhere. All very plausible. But a high-ranking employee at GME? Sorry, I don't believe a word of it, especially given the amount of time you spend on here to make the best part of 7,000 posts in less than two years, not to mention your evident poor understanding of the European market and even issues such as NHTSA requirements over vehicle importation. That's nothing personal either.

Edited August 11, 2008 by aatbloke

[cyclonic]

Well this has been an interesting thread - if you're a fight fan, it resembles something like Lesnar vs Herring at UFC 87 a few nights back.....

With regards to the LS7 possibly being in the car pictured, Corsa Specialised Vehicles (www.csv.com.au) down here in Oz have been doing LS7 conversions into VE's for a little while now. Not cheap, but they can be done.

Yes, its expensive, yes HSV have to make back the R&D cost hence the high price, yes the car has export potential but HSV needs to keep the car relatively exclusive to justify its cost, and yes i'd love to have one if I could ever afford it (which won't happen unless a lotto win occurs or I shag someone very important at work!).

Ok, so will it go OS? If HSV can do it, I guess they will. If there is a Euro-prototype running around, then that'd be just awesome. I'd really like to see a stripped-out road race version of this though (like the Porsche 911 GT3). Or..... a Sportswagon version. Or a Ute - just for Camino. Or a Grange version.

[Sixty8panther]

7,000 posts in two years?

Sure, why not? Granted I'm not a upper-echelon

manager but I am QUITE busy and still manage

to rack up dozens of posts in a week... BUT this

forum comprises of 50-75% of my internet time

in a given day. I'm not also gaming & claiming to

be catching red-eye flights all over the world on

GM's tab and driving a $45,000 company car.

More and more P.S.C.'s insistance that he does

not owe anyone anything makes me wonder....

Like I said, TALK IS CHEAP, I call Shenanigans!

With regards to the LS7 possibly being in the car pictured, Corsa Specialised Vehicles (www.csv.com.au) down here in Oz have been doing LS7 conversions into VE's for a little while now. Not cheap, but they can be done.

You're missing the point entirely!

I had a GM performance crate ZZ350 in my '68 Camaro

with aluminum heads and other non-factory junk but I

did not try to post it claiming it was a GM prototype

car from '67 that pre-dated the ZL1 or some other B.S.

[Camino LS6]

Well this has been an interesting thread - if you're a fight fan, it resembles something like Lesnar vs Herring at UFC 87 a few nights back.....

With regards to the LS7 possibly being in the car pictured, Corsa Specialised Vehicles (www.csv.com.au) down here in Oz have been doing LS7 conversions into VE's for a little while now. Not cheap, but they can be done.

Yes, its expensive, yes HSV have to make back the R&D cost hence the high price, yes the car has export potential but HSV needs to keep the car relatively exclusive to justify its cost, and yes i'd love to have one if I could ever afford it (which won't happen unless a lotto win occurs or I shag someone very important at work!).

Ok, so will it go OS? If HSV can do it, I guess they will. If there is a Euro-prototype running around, then that'd be just awesome. I'd really like to see a stripped-out road race version of this though (like the Porsche 911 GT3). Or..... a Sportswagon version. Or a Ute - just for Camino. Or a Grange version.

Way to make me smile!

[Oracle of Delphi]

Well in that case, I'll line up along your route between Zurich and Edinburgh then and take photos with the rest of the general public as you drive by. You owe me nothing, but if you're going to make such sensationalist claims with a vehicle which generates substantial interest with GM enthusiasts, then I do think you owe it to the entire forums. As for posting a picture from someone's Flickr account of a standard pre-upgrade 6.0 VXR with a regular private-issue tax disc and non-standard illegal plates popular with the "tuner" crowd in this country and claiming it was a prototype, all you did was make an attempt to insult my intelligence - but you did get a few laughs in the process from motoring enthusiast colleagues of mine (one of whom is a Monaro owner in actual fact) who simply thought it was a joke.

Are you in the UK now? How special. Actually my original plan was to bring the Grand Prix GXP to Edinburgh, I only mentioned bringing the Zurich car as a pipe dream, as I was excited with the car, long before there was any mention of a similar car from Holden. Why would I admonish Chris Doane for taking spy pics, then ride to Scotland in this car, does that make any sense to you? I don't use GM resources for my own personal gain, never have, never will. I have refused positions on many auto forums because it would create a conflict, being that I am a GME employee. Just ask, some people here can verify that. Oh just so you know, I will be flying to Edinburgh from Zurich, don't look up as I fly over. The wedding is next month, hope to see you there. Does that make me more PRO UK, since my niece is marrying a Scot?

I also like the photo you posted as an avatar of the TGWU action over the then planned controversial cutbacks at Luton in December 2000, one of a series of photos posted by the union online when they threatened legal action against GME. That has nothing to do with Vauxhall as a company, but everything to do with GME's (understandable) rationalisation programme Europe-wide over the past decade, one which looks set to continue after Astra VI production starts at Ellesmere Port and Bochum, threatening cutbacks at the existing Antwerp facility or Bochum itself.

Oh that old pic? I just have it up because I think it's quaint.

I've no doubt you have a common-or-garden 2005 Equinox, and that you live in the States doing something - somewhere. All very plausible. But a high-ranking employee at GME? Sorry, I don't believe a word of it, especially given the amount of time you spend on here to make the best part of 7,000 posts in less than two years, not to mention your evident poor understanding of the European market and even issues such as NHTSA requirements over vehicle importation. That's nothing personal either.

Oh no it's not a common-or-garden verity 2005 Equinox, because my wife drives it, and that makes it very special indeed.

Edited August 12, 2008 by Pontiac Custom-S

[Guest aatbloke]

Are you in the UK now? How special.

Currently in St Andrews, near Melbourne.

I don't use GM resources for my own personal gain, never have, never will. I have refused positions on many auto forums because it would create a conflict, being that I am a GME employee.

I knew you'd see sense sooner or later.

The wedding is next month, hope to see you there. Does that make me more PRO UK, since my niece is marrying a Scot?

She has that option like anyone else.

Oh that old pic? I just have it up because I think it's quaint.

As is GM's P&L account.

[cyclonic]

You're missing the point entirely!

I had a GM performance crate ZZ350 in my '68 Camaro

with aluminum heads and other non-factory junk but I

did not try to post it claiming it was a GM prototype

car from '67 that pre-dated the ZL1 or some other B.S.

Ahh I see! No worries. Well a common conversion here is big block Chevy V8's in older Toyota Landcruisers, or diesel Chevy V8's in Nissan Patrols.

[Sixty8panther]

Yup, SBC-350s are a fantastic way to

motivate almost ANYTHING with wheels!