The Official MPG Thread

[Sixty8panther]

I spent about $150 a week on gas in the Banana...

Now, granted it dropped $0.20 last week, but the RoadmOnster

got me point A-to-B-to-C-to-D....-to-Z... ALL week and I'm

still exactly on half a tank which cost me only $95 to begin with!

Damn, I done more than doubled my fuel economy and I'm still rockin' a 5.7 liter V8!

[Cory Wolfe]

17.04 MPG. And that includes my trip upstate, camping last weekend. Gasoline is down to $3.74 here for regular, but even at that low, low price, it still took more than $80 to fill 'er up last night.

My grandpa's 00 Silverado with the 5.3L generally gets around 18-20.

[ocnblu]

I need to take some pointers from Viper's grandpa on how to hypermile a GMT900.

[G. David Felt]

2006 Escalade ESV Platinum edition - 14.5 MPG

2005 CTS - 24 MPG

2004 SRX - 24 MPG

1999 Dodge Durango - 15 MPG ( Daughters Auto)

1998 Dakota - 17.7 MPG (Sons Truck)

1994 Suburban Custom 402 engine - 11MPG full or empty never seems to change

There is the family fleet of auto's. Not too shabby for personal haulers I think.

Course if our greedy oil companies did not ship off our refined petroleum products we might actually have lower prices. Damn SOB's

While the U.S. oil industry wants access to more federal lands to help reduce reliance on foreign suppliers, U.S.-based companies are shipping record amounts of gasoline and diesel fuel to other countries.

CNBC report on the record shipments of Gas products out of the US. Here is why Diesel and gas are so much more in price.

[MyerShift]

Pretty good for a 2.5...the 2.0 Turbo motor is supposed to be better. I've known people with GTI's to get into the low 30's with a manual.

Is your car manual or autotrajic?

Chris

Why, a manual of course. I only accept an automatic if it's midsize, large, or certain class of car.

The best I have seen from the Golf's 2.5L 5 cylinder was 30.5 or about 31 miles per gallon. Of course, that was with extensive interstate travel at only 63 mph and gentle acceleration and early shifting for the rest of the tank which holds 14 gallons. With that trip, I travelled 427 miles on one tank.

[balthazar]

Silverado 2500HD 402 - 18.1

[Intrepidation]

Grand Marquis - 26.6 mpg bitches.

[Satty]

Grand Marquis - 26.6 mpg bitches.

Yeah, that happens when you drive 50 in the left lane of the highway with your left blinker and high beams on.

[Intrepidation]

Yeah, that happens when you drive 50 in the left lane of the highway with your left blinker and high beams on.

Add about 20mph to that and you have a more accurate average speed.

[A Horse With No Name]

Yeah, that happens when you drive 50 in the left lane of the highway with your left blinker and high beams on.

Just don't set the autopilot in that Mercury. It will head to the 4 O' clock early bird special at the old folks diner in Miami, Florida and you'll never see it again.

Chris

[regfootball]

trip this wkd., 3 people and FULL trunk in the 500. running on a fresh oil change and some fuel system cleaner and tires properly inflated (but prob not to 36 psi like i like)

there= 231 miles @ 9.0 gallons = 25.66 mpg (with leadfoot wife driving, most often exceeding posted speeds by 10-25 mph).

return= 225.7 @ 8.8 gallons (yet to verify) = 25.64 mpg (a large portion of this trip was stop and go and gridlock on the interstate from wefest and brainerd international raceway traffic). I figured I was on pace for 28 or so with me driving, but it all went out the window when this slowed up everyone.....

I would say the owner of this vehicle got

had it been just me with high psi and no stop and go, I would have gotten 28+ i think.

Edited August 11, 2008 by regfootball

[vonVeezelsnider]

IMPALA 3.5L LZE, 100% HWY, 36.4MPG

Between Calgary and Vancouver BC. Car Fully loaded with four passengers and a full trunk.

Edited August 11, 2008 by vonVeezelsnider

[Sixty8panther]

I replaced the main fuel-feed hose going to the fuel pump

from the gas tank on the Mercedes 500SEC, it had a very

slight leak when we bought the car & I knew it was a big

part of the reason why I scored the car for like 30-40% of

its' realistic current private seller value. It was a press-fit

brass fitting with about 8" of fuel line & a hose clamp.

So the WHOPPING $19.95 it set me back from NAPA...

[brainwashed masses] German cars are expensive! [/stereotype]

...anyway the fix was cheap and quick but due to the

gasoline that was lost as a result of the leak & repair, a

good gallon+ is soaking into my driveway, I still have

not been able to get an honest reading on the MB's MPG

even thought I know it's going t be 18mph or so BEST

case scenario.

In other news I did a high speed run in the car saturday

night but ran out of highway when a prick in a Toyota

Avalon would NOT surrender the passing lane despite

me coming up on him at well over 120mph and flashing

my high beams.

At any rate, the car feels smoother at 120mph than

most '80s cars feel at 75mph. It's quite slow to get to

50, 60 & 70... what with even HIGHER gearing than the

USA spec. cars, but once you're cruising at 85/90 the

next 40 miles seem just a couple seconds away with

heavy throttle application!

So, long story short, the 500SEC has probably gone

through about 60 gallons in the first 800 miles.

Still slightly better than the Banana Boat, and if I

attempted driving that tank at 124mph I'd probabbly

roll it into the median after a tire blowout.

[Intrepidation]

I replaced the main fuel-feed hose going to the fuel pump

from the gas tank on the Mercedes 500SEC, it had a very

slight leak when we bought the car & I knew it was a big

part of the reason why I scored the car for like 30-40% of

its' realistic current private seller value. It was a press-fit

brass fitting with about 8" of fuel line & a hose clamp.

So the WHOPPING $19.95 it set me back from NAPA...

[brainwashed masses] German cars are expensive! [/stereotype]

...anyway the fix was cheap and quick but due to the

gasoline that was lost as a result of the leak & repair, a

good gallon+ is soaking into my driveway, I still have

not been able to get an honest reading on the MB's MPG

even thought I know it's going t be 18mph or so BEST

case scenario.

In other news I did a high speed run in the car saturday

night but ran out of highway when a prick in a Toyota

Avalon would NOT surrender the passing lane despite

me coming up on him at well over 120mph and flashing

my high beams.

1.) That's not how I recall it...I recall you getting gas everywhere, and the hose breaking when you tried to twist it to get to the clamp screw. I then recall you coming to NAPA only to find out that none of the fittings they had matched your car's, so XP had to recycle the old fitting and make a temp one using a combination of that, clamps, different size connectors, fuel hose and a radiator hose. I also recall it only being a temp fix because the gas would eat through the radiator hose, and you would probably have to buy the real deal from the dealer. Which meant having to do the job over. I also recall the gas got all over you, and you mentioning the skin burning sensation it was causing, and saying that you regretted doing it because of said burning, but Julie needed the car so you had to do it. I guess your definition of "quick and easy" is different than mine. Did you ever get the right hose by the way? Make sure to save that monster the XP made, it's badass.

I took pics, remember?

2.) Exactly how fast were you going? Because if you're doing like 120 and he's doing say, 75, and the speed limit is 65, he's not in the wrong, since he's already going 10 over. Now if he was going like 55 and you were going 70 (you, only go 70?) then that's different.

Edited August 11, 2008 by Dodgefan

[Robert Hall]

[brainwashed masses] German cars are expensive! [/stereotype]

Everytime one of my sister's old Mercs goes to the shop (local Merc specialist German Auto) it's at least $500. They are money pits.

In other news I did a high speed run in the car saturday

night but ran out of highway when a prick in a Toyota

Avalon would NOT surrender the passing lane despite

me coming up on him at well over 120mph and flashing

my high beams.

It's not Europe...you weren't on the autobahn. The flashing lights trick doesn't work in the states...you are lucky you didn't pass a cop, or your irresponsible arse would have been in jail.

[Sixty8panther]

DF:

Yes, the car got buttered for ONE night, and at 10:00am

the next morning XP had already texted me saying he

can get the official part, through one of the warehouses

and it would be there at NAPA the followig afternoon.

It was installed Sun. morning in about 45min., since this

time the previous clusterf**k was avoided as the temp.

fix worked well... xcept for the lack of FUEL line hose in

that one thick splice.

And like I said that is why I immediately ordereed the

exact part I needed, that could not be done at 8:30pm

when I ripped the original trying to remove it.

Wanna see the "MADE IN DEUTCHLAND" stamped package? :wink:

XP can back me up, less than $20.00, so call it $21 after tax.

----

As far as the Avalon I described, I do not

want to open up that can of worms but let

me just explain something:

It's the PASSING lane.

NOT the 75-in-a-65 lane...

NOT the "fast" lane...

PAAAAASING.

It was an empty road in the middle of the night,

that situation calls for him not even clogging it

up at ALL even if he was doing 80mph....

IF another 500SEC had come up behind me

doing the 160mph top speed I would have

moved the F*** over beause at that point

HE needs the PASSING lane.

People who hog the passing lane are NOT

helping, making a positive differance or

decreasing road rage and esp. acting

responsibly or helping public safety by

hogging the lane so as to police the public.

Ever heard the saying "two wrongs do not make a right?"

----

Moltar:

Oh I'm SURE that is 100% true, but how much of

that $500+ is dealer markup on the parts & the

absurd labor fees...?

I enjoy working on my own cars, I'm too cheap

not to, even when the job gets a bit annoying.

[Sixty8panther]

Ask Xp about the time I got pulled over on

the CT/MA border in the Infiniti Q45....

The cop walked up to my car to SHOW me

the radar gun that said "99mph" and he

said: (and I QUOTE!)

"Man you've got good reflexes, I KNOW you

were going way faster than 99!"

You see, as soon as I saw him I just hit the

brakes and pulled over for him before he

had his lights on...

People who try to RUN away on an open

highway end up in jail, I've NEVER been

arrested, but I have lost my license a time

or three....

It's not Europe...you weren't on the autobahn. The flashing lights trick doesn't work in the states...you are lucky you didn't pass a cop, or your irresponsible arse would have been in jail.

Yeah, about 70% of drivers in the USA are fu&&ing morons!!!

Speed kills... true.

But for every time SPEED kills there's 99 otehr cases

of somthing else being the problem:

- driver distraction

- alcohol AND speed

- alcohol and falling asleep at the wheel

- speeding in bad weatehr conditions, fog, ice, rain, snow...

- I could keeep going

And let's not forget, a$$holes like this who cause

road rage cause bad situations & poor judgement

to escalate to much WORSE!

[frogger]

GF is in Montreal for a week so I have been driving her TSX exclusively... got 28.5mpg 50/50 mixed city/highway driving last tank.

[schuby87]

I got 21 mpg for my last tank, doing all city driving. I'm really happy with that!

[Sixty8panther]

21 mpg in a 4th gen. T/A is a big part of the reason why

if you buy a Prius you're obviously suffering from a

paper-cut of the vagina and did NO RESEARCH!

[Robert Hall]

21 mpg in a 4th gen. T/A is a big part of the reason why

if you buy a Prius you're obviously suffering from a

paper-cut of the vagina and did NO RESEARCH!

I think the Prius gets better than 21 mpg... face it, GM has nothing on the market in the US that comes close to the Prius mileage. People I know with Priuses say they are getting 40-45 or better. Not the advertised 60, but still quite good for a car that can haul 4-5 people.

Edited August 12, 2008 by moltar

[intrigued]

My last tank in the stang average 20.9 mpg. A fair amount of town driving and I was driving the highway parts more aggresivley than usuall, since I've been late this whol;e week. I'm still doing really well in the mustang all things considered. 2500 miles since I got it I've averaged 23.8 miles with my best tank being 25.9 mpg.

[Sixty8panther]

I think the Prius gets better than 21 mpg... face it, GM has nothing on the market in the US that comes close to the Prius mileage. People I know with Priuses say they are getting 40-45 or better. Not the advertised 60, but still quite good for a car that can haul 4-5 people.

$25,000 real world price for a Prius

+ $6000-$7000 additional for every set of batteries you have to replace

(every 100K miles)

+ stigmata of driving one of the ugliest $h!boxes on the road

=/= good value

1980s M.B. 240D w/ 5-speed = good value

if you want cheap fuel costs, room for five

adults in a safe package... or if you don't

care about driving a cramped $h!box then

get a Rabbit diesel or Honda Civic/CRX.

Edited August 12, 2008 by Sixty8panther

[Robert Hall]

$25,000 real world price for a Prius

+ $6000-$7000 additional for every set of batteries you have to replace

(every 100K miles)

In the real world, a lot of people buy new cars...$25k is cheap for a new car. Driving old cars with high mileage isn't a realistic option for most people. And I've never known anyone that had to replace batteries on a Prius, that's a myth.

[Sixty8panther]

They're too new to need replacement at this point.

It's not a myth, wait a few more years....

do you know anyone with a Prius that has

100,000, 120,000 or more miles on it?

I suppose you think Toyota has perfected

the art of black magic and made a battery

that will NEVER need replacement?

Now THAT is silly.

I understand people's "logic" I just think it

is quite illogical and in some cases, plain

DUMB to buy a Prius.

I may HATE Honda but if you're a 23 year

old recent college grad that buys a Civic

for the high MPG and four doors then at

least you're getting what you were

promissed by the manufacturer!

If you think Ford, GM or Mopar would EVER

get a break from the press, be it CNN, MT,

FOX25 news, C&D, R&T or whatever, for

under-delivering on MPGs like the Prius has

than you're not being honest with yourself.

C'mon Moltar...

[Robert Hall]

They're too new to need replacement at this point.

It's not a myth, wait a few more years....

do you know anyone with a Prius that has

100,000, 120,000 or more miles on it?

No...the people I know with Priuses will probably trade them before they get that many miles.

I suppose you think Toyota has perfected

the art of black magic and made a battery

that will NEVER need replacement?

I'm sure they will need replacement eventually..

If you think Ford, GM or Mopar would EVER

get a break from the press, be it CNN, MT,

FOX25 news, C&D, R&T or whatever, for

under-delivering on MPGs like the Prius has

than you're not being honest with yourself.

C'mon Moltar...

Just being realistic...Ford, GM, Mopar don't have anything in the US currently that gets Prius mileage..simple fact. And it's sad, because I know that they have diesels in Europe that can get that kind of mileage, but the Big 3 spent the last few years pissing away money on stupid 5000-6000lb trucks and SUVs that could barely get 16 mpg, let alone 20...they used to have cars that could get good mileage--heck, my Ford Escort diesel got over 50--20+ years ago! To think we would stay at $2/gallon gas indefinitely was very short-sighted.

I'd love to see the Detroit 3 lead for once, instead of always being behind the curve...

Edited August 12, 2008 by moltar

[Sixty8panther]

Ford, GM, Mopar don't have anything in the US currently that gets Prius mileage..simple fact. And it's sad, because I know that they have diesels in Europe that can get that kind of mileage, but the Big 3 spent the last few years pissing away money on stupid 5000-6000lb trucks and SUVs that could barely get 16 mpg, let alone 20...they used to have cars that could get good mileage--heck, my Ford Escort diesel got over 50--20+ years ago! To think we would stay at $2/gallon gas indefinitely was very short-sighted.

I'd love to see the Detroit 3 lead for once, instead of always being behind the curve...

I can not argue with that... I've said things to that effect too.

Or, as a friend once said, I think it was XP actually:

"Toyota's making a killing selling Prius-es-es

mean time GM's strategy is: A HUMMER H2

IN EVERY DRIVEWAY BY 2010!" (circa 2006)

[A Horse With No Name]

Seriously, most Prius owners I know are getting 45-55 m.p.g. out of them, and I have known quite a few that have gone well over 100k without battery issues.

The Volt cannot get here soon enough.

That being said, there is just something that says "class" about a German diesel. My son Joel and I are probably going to join the local Columbus TDI Volkswagen group (a couple of guys in the local Miata club invited us to Fridays club meeting.)

Also, Steve, my body guy/mechanic that helps me on all of my cars has a receptionist/secretary who is married to a guy named Chavez. Chavez runs a garage that mostly deals with Benz, esp. older Benz. They have tried to talk me into benz ownership several times. The last car was a pristine always garaged late 80's diesel with only about 80k on the clock, for $3200. It was white and looked great!

But I am thinking if I go diesel it will be VW.

Latest MPG,running through the wilds of Ohio with the Miata club and not being gentle, was 26.7 in the Miata.

Oh, and Sixty eight...we are running a caravan with the Miata club to Aubrun IN. for the Aubrun-Cord-Dusenberg weekend. If I can break away and go I'll think about you.

Oh, and Dodgefan, I thought of you when the Mopar nationals were in town...Joel and I went out to Brice Road and watched the action.

We pulled in the BP station next to a Coronet R/t convertible down on Brioce while we were waiting for the action to start. Do you suppose the 440 4V in the Coronet might possibly "outgun" the 1.8 in my Miata?

Chris

Edited August 12, 2008 by 66Stang

[Sixty8panther]

$3200 for ANY diesel Benz with under 100,000 miles

is a great deal these days... as long as it's not any

more rusty than the Sanford & Son truck.

I could not see myself turning down a great deal on

a squish-bang MB only to buy a VW, esp. some '80s

FWD, lightweight VW. They're not even in the same

ballpark.

After almost gettin killed in my Datsun due to an

accident I could not have prevented I do not see

myself ever buying a lightweight car unless there

is some otehr SERIOUS incentive... (e.g. Pre-war)

[Sixty8panther]

Brainstorm:

ULTRA-super-awesome-MPG commuter car:

Miata from the junkyard + drivetrain from MB 240D. B)

[A Horse With No Name]

I got 21 mpg for my last tank, doing all city driving. I'm really happy with that!

Pretty impressive. I've always thought GM had some pretty good powertrain design.

Chris

[A Horse With No Name]

Brainstorm:

ULTRA-super-awesome-MPG commuter car:

Miata from the junkyard + drivetrain from MB 240D. B)

I like the way you think!

Chris

[Sixty8panther]

I like the way you think!

{my brain} .................................[box]

[Satty]

Just talked to Jill, the Prius is getting about 47 since she left. That with the drive from here to Baltimore and the driving she's been doing there.

[schuby87]

21 mpg in a 4th gen. T/A is a big part of the reason why

if you buy a Prius you're obviously suffering from a

paper-cut of the vagina and did NO RESEARCH!

LMAO

$25,000 real world price for a Prius

+ $6000-$7000 additional for every set of batteries you have to replace

(every 100K miles)

+ stigmata of driving one of the ugliest $h!boxes on the road

=/= good value

$25,000 for a Prius

OR

$10,000 for a good condition 4th gen F Body

$15,000 to spend on gas

Seriously, most Prius owners I know are getting 45-55 m.p.g. out of them, and I have known quite a few that have gone well over 100k without battery issues.

People I know have been saying they are getting a lot worse than what Toyota is claiming. It looks like the media might be catching on to that also. Hopefully...

Toyota Prius vs Jeep Patriot: the great MPG test by Claire Edwards and Jay Nagley

"American buyers are questioning the official fuel consumption figures of the Prius"

Introduction

Eager owners sometimes present a Toyota Prius as David Attenborough on wheels…decent, environmentally aware and beyond criticism. And yet there are nagging doubts that the Toyota is not nearly as irreproachable as Britain's national treasure. You don't have to look very hard on the web to find American buyers questioning the official fuel consumption figures, while some Europeans question whether a simple diesel engine would not be equally economical.

So, we decided to conduct the ultimate test, pitting the Prius (easily the world's biggest-selling hybrid with just over 1 million sold to date) against the devil's own tool; an SUV. Our choice of SUV was simple. Jeep was recognised in 2007 for having the most improved fuel consumption across its model range, and has won a Green Award for the Patriot. The Patriot Diesel is one of the most economical 4x4's available on the market today (thanks to its VW engine) and boasts lower CO2 emissions than, say, a Renault Scenic 1.6. The rules would be simple; both drivers were to drive the way they normally would, but in order to ensure that driving styles didn't interfere with the results, they would swap half way and all speed limits would be adhered to.

The test

Despite being very different animals, the Patriot and the Prius are both acknowledged as family cars, so our route would take us on a typical family day out to the south coast. Starting from Tower Bridge in the centre of London, we set off at 10am to avoid the rush hour traffic heading out towards Brighton and our first waypoint. The first impressions of the Patriot were not great - the first few seconds were spent scanning the truly nasty plastics of the interior. Once we had got used to the dashboard, we could not help noticing that it did not actually contain very much - even though we had the range-topping Limited model, there was no sat nav and only a basic radio and CD/MP3 player. However, once on the move things rapidly improved, as it proved remarkably easy to pilot the Patriot around the city. Despite its size, it didn't feel awkward, and was comfortable inside. The interior of the Prius was less offensive to the eye and came with more kit than the Patriot. The sat nav was easy to program, so it was decided that the Prius would lead the way. However, it took time to get used to the odd automatic gear lever, which sits on the dash next to the steering wheel. When we first tried to pull off at a set of lights the electronic parking brake wouldn't release and the gearbox refused to select 'drive'. It took quite a bit of persuasion before the electronic systems agreed to let us go on our way. As we approached the motorway the two on-board computers were reading very different figures. The Prius was showing around 58mpg, whilst the Patriot showed just below 40mpg. The Prius is almost silent whilst driving in the city, but on the motorway you could hear the engine working quite hard - it is only a 1.5 litre unit and the batteries are no help at cruising speed. Nonetheless, by the time we reached the Brighton seafront the trip computer was claiming over 62mpg. In contrast, the Patriot's 2.4-litre diesel engine feels effortless at cruising speeds and the uncouth growl you get from it around town almost disappears. It also feels more spacious than the Prius, which would be a little cramped with the whole family aboard. After stopping at Brighton, the rest of the journey took us along the coastal route for a few miles before we stopped again to swap drivers and headed back towards London. The entire route took us over 160 miles covering coastal, motorway and city roads.

The result

Had we relied on the onboard computers, the Prius would have won by a landslide, as by the end of the trip they read 57mpg and 42mpg for the Prius and Jeep respectively. However, to get the real figure, we calculated consumption based on how much fuel each car had used over the 160 miles. The result was astonishing: both cars had used nearly identical amounts of fuel. The Jeep had averaged 38.9 mpg - only 3.1 mpg less than its computer had recorded. However, the computer of the Prius appeared to be telling whoppers: it actually achieved just 39.9 mpg - a massive 17.1 mpg less than it had claimed. Whereas, the first impressions of the Patriot had been overwhelmingly negative - it's an SUV with interior plastics apparently supplied by a Chinese Christmas cracker factory - it converted us by the end of the day. It had been a better experience for both driver (more pleasant to drive) and passenger (more space). Our test also raises the question over the economy of hybrids overall - a subject to which we will be returning. Certainly it might feel like you're contributing to a greener world, but most manufacturers are constantly improving their diesel cars to make them greener and more efficient. It seems that if economy is what you're after from a family car, there are better, and - let's face it - more stylish, options than a Prius.

[regfootball]

had to make a side trip out of town tonight with the new ride (Taurus X AWD).

there....230.8 miles/10.50 gallons=21.98 mpg

back.....214.0 miles/10.10 gallons=21.18 mpg

dealing with 3 people on board and a stiff breeze each way

would have liked to see 24-25, epa hwy is 22.

front drive only we'd prob improve those numbers a fair amount. 10% maybe.

[pow]

The result

Had we relied on the onboard computers, the Prius would have won by a landslide, as by the end of the trip they read 57mpg and 42mpg for the Prius and Jeep respectively. However, to get the real figure, we calculated consumption based on how much fuel each car had used over the 160 miles. The result was astonishing: both cars had used nearly identical amounts of fuel. The Jeep had averaged 38.9 mpg - only 3.1 mpg less than its computer had recorded. However, the computer of the Prius appeared to be telling whoppers: it actually achieved just 39.9 mpg - a massive 17.1 mpg less than it had claimed. Whereas, the first impressions of the Patriot had been overwhelmingly negative - it's an SUV with interior plastics apparently supplied by a Chinese Christmas cracker factory - it converted us by the end of the day. It had been a better experience for both driver (more pleasant to drive) and passenger (more space). Our test also raises the question over the economy of hybrids overall - a subject to which we will be returning. Certainly it might feel like you're contributing to a greener world, but most manufacturers are constantly improving their diesel cars to make them greener and more efficient. It seems that if economy is what you're after from a family car, there are better, and - let's face it - more stylish, options than a Prius.

The Prius has a fuel tank bladder to reduce emissions, which means total volume varies between fill-ups. A mere 160 miles isn't enough to make a conclusion on fuel consumption.

[Sixty8panther]

Had we relied on the onboard computers, the Prius would have won by a landslide, as by the end of the trip they read 57mpg and 42mpg for the Prius and Jeep respectively. However, to get the real figure, we calculated consumption based on how much fuel each car had used over the 160 miles.

I ufcking KNEW IT!!!!!!!

I've been waiting patiently for this (news) to

get out, Toyo-pet Nippon Inc., being the

scumbag lying & cheaeting organization it is

always ends up getting exposed for the

crappy dirtbag $hitshow it is...

Problem is: no one in the USA ever listens.

I once tried to explain to a buddy (NOT a car guy at all)

about how the computer in my STS works: the average

MPG reading was always very accurate, within 0.1 mpg

but the instantaneous 48-mpg you get going downhill,

coasting at 79 mph is NOT any indication of the truth...

too many people are too dumb to think for themselves,

maybe that's why we're so obsessed with computers

these days... too freekin lazy & stupid.

[A Horse With No Name]

I ufcking KNEW IT!!!!!!!

I've been waiting patiently for this (news) to

get out, Toyo-pet Nippon Inc., being the

scumbag lying & cheaeting organization it is

always ends up getting exposed for the

crappy dirtbag $hitshow it is...

Problem is: no one in the USA ever listens.

I once tried to explain to a buddy (NOT a car guy at all)

about how the computer in my STS works: the average

MPG reading was always very accurate, within 0.1 mpg

but the instantaneous 48-mpg you get going downhill,

coasting at 79 mph is NOT any indication of the truth...

too many people are too dumb to think for themselves,

maybe that's why we're so obsessed with computers

these days... too freekin lazy & stupid.

I doubt either the Jeep or the Prius did that well in real world terms...unless we are talking about diesel fuel and they are strapped to the back of a frieght train with GM EMD power up front...

See, GM has the highest fuel efficiency yet!

Sadly, cars like Schuby's Cool TA are passed over by 4 cyl turbo cars like the new Evo or Ralliart by Mitsu, which in real world testing get 13-16 m.p.g.

I'd rather have the big, thumpin V8 and the fuel economy.

The only bad part would be scraping the remains of the Mitsu out of the Trans Am's Catalytic converter after the TA sucked the Mitsu through its cold air intake...and tried spitting it out the tail pipe.

I wonder if Ex-Lax works for Pontiacs?

Chris

[Sixty8panther]

Sadly, cars like Schuby's Cool TA are passed over by 4 cyl turbo cars like the new Evo or Ralliart by Mitsu, which in real world testing get 13-16 m.p.g.

One of the most basic and elemental rules of science,

which also happens to be IMHO just plain 'ol common

sense is lost on 99.9% of ricers, 75% of snoby import

humping blockheads & our freekin' government.

It takes fuel to make power.

It takes MORE fuel to make MORE power.

Stock, your little Civic sedan that is meant to go "over

the river & through the woods to grandmother's house"

and it does so well... as does a Cobalt or Celica or

WHATEVER, but if you buy it talking about how you're

gonna put the hurtin' on that '72 Trans Am with 455

power by installing a turbo that is bigger than the damn

bell-housing on a 5-0 Mustang AND get great MPGs

while you blow everyone's doors off at the track....

Well, you're a fu*ktard pure and simple.

Annnnd chances are you have no clue WTF you are

talking about and in order to run that 11.8 sec. time

in the 1/4 mile that you're bragging about as your

Civic HX still sits in the driveway an 18 sec. car, will

need $40,000 worth of work, after which, as the

laws of physics, common sense & science dictate:

you'll be EXACTLY where that 455-powered Pontiac

Trans Am is in terms of fuel economy:

pretty damn poor... like low teens AT BEST!

[Sixty8panther]

oh.... on a related note, remember that freekin stupid concept

Toyota made in like 1998? blatant rippoff of the H1 in terms of

styling AND basic mechanicals: the motor was a 4-liter 4-cyl.

"That's gotta get like 75mpgs, yo! Toyopet is like the FTW-master in high fuel economeeee!"

[Robert Hall]

oh.... on a related note, remember that freekin stupid concept

Toyota made in like 1998? blatant rippoff of the H1 in terms of

styling AND basic mechanicals: the motor was a 4-liter 4-cyl.

Toyota Mega Cruiser...built from '95-02. Had front, center, rear differentials, four wheel steering, 4.1L 4 cyl turbo diesel. Toally badass.

They should have sold it here with a Hybrid Synergy Drive as the Prius Green Beast or something..

[Sixty8panther]

If I even try to post anything about that.... that thing my head will explode.

You sure that this isn't chinese made?

[Robert Hall]

If I even try to post anything about that.... that thing my head will explode.

You sure that this isn't chinese made?

Ahhh, you know you want it...it's a forbidden fruit... never sold here.

[z28luvr01]

Just filled the Cobalt up around lunchtime - 29.0 MPG in purely city driving.

Yeah, I'm telling everyone that'll listen

[loki]

Just filled the Cobalt up around lunchtime - 29.0 MPG in purely city driving.

Yeah, I'm telling everyone that'll listen

i don't know/remember, stick or auto?

[z28luvr01]

Automagic. The car was rated at 25 city under the old EPA estimates. Pretty freaking sweet!

[vonVeezelsnider]

I got 27MPG all City on my last tank

G5 SE Sedan, Automatic

The Impala's hovering around 26MPG all City, and the Maxx is hovering around 23MPG all city.

[regfootball]

just got back from a 600+ mile trip in the new T-Rex.

21.5 for the first 1/3 of the trip in stiff winds but the last 2 parts were serious stop and no go and seriously horrible winds, probably netted about 19 at best for the last 2 parts. still ok i guess for a 4500 lb vehicle with awd and 3 people and loaded up a lot.

[Sixty8panther]

Dodgefan:

I'm patiently waiting to see the #s o the Grand Marq.