WE CAN'T WAIT TILL NOVEMBER

[regfootball]

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[regfootball]

nearly a 2 dollar/ga increase in 6 years while you know who is in charge

[Paolino]

I can't stand bush...

... I even disliked it before he got in office.

[Blake Noble]

I am very curious as to how much of a price drop in gasoline there will be once Bush's term in office ends and the new President is ushered in.

Something tells me not to expect a drastic decrease.

[Satty]

I am very curious as to how much of a price drop in gasoline there will be once Bush's term in office ends and the new President is ushered in.

Something tells me not to expect a drastic decrease.

If we elect Clinton, McCain or Obama, it doesn't matter, they cannot undo 8 years of stupidity. Gas prices wont go down, but hopefully they wont inflate as rapidly as they have during El Retardo's reign of Terror.

[Blake Noble]

If we elect Clinton, McCain or Obama, it doesn't matter, they cannot undo 8 years of stupidity. Gas prices wont go down, but hopefully they wont inflate as rapidly as they have during El Retardo's reign of Terror.

Hopefully, yes.

[balthazar]

>>"I am very curious as to how much of a price drop in gasoline there will be once Bush's term in office ends and the new President is ushered in."<<

I would not expect ANY price change directly related solely to Bush leaving office. But I am still hearing analysts (another one today) say the fundamentals for oil only support circa $80/barrel by this summer.

[loki]

I am very curious as to how much of a price drop in gasoline there will be once Bush's term in office ends and the new President is ushered in.

Something tells me not to expect a drastic decrease.

maybe even increase... possible regulations would hurt, McCain buys at least half of the Global Warming stuff... and immensly surpised if either donkey running wouldn't support the hysteria too.

[frogger]

What happens if/when US pulls out of Iraq and the whole region destabilizes?

[ehaase]

I am very curious as to how much of a price drop in gasoline there will be once Bush's term in office ends and the new President is ushered in.

Something tells me not to expect a drastic decrease.

For oil prices to go down, the dollar needs to get stronger, and for that to happen, either interest rates need to go up or the federal government needs to reduce its deficit substantially. We need to end the war in Iraq, and we need to reverse most of the 2001 and 2003 tax cuts.

[ZL-1]

What happens if/when US pulls out of Iraq and the whole region destabilizes?

It's destabilized already, and it's been like that for quite some time. But if the US pulled out of Iraq today, a larger portion of the proverbial &#036;h&#33; would hit the proverbial fan.

[Dsuupr]

For oil prices to go down, the dollar needs to get stronger, and for that to happen, either interest rates need to go up or the federal government needs to reduce its deficit substantially. We need to end the war in Iraq, and we need to reverse most of the 2001 and 2003 tax cuts.

The main two things we can do to help with our deficit;

1. Encourage and support leaders who will get us out of Iraq and other countries that we are blowing money on

2. Buy American made & owned. Vote in a President that will do major reform to the trade acts we currently have.

Yes, you can make a difference.

[Camino LS6]

I'm not at all confident that any of the three candidates will have a meaningful impact on the cost of oil.

In fact, I'm thinking that maybe we should choose one of them based not on what they will do better, but on how much what they intend to do will make things worse.

I can't see a clear winner when I look at it that way.

I'm thinking that our next president would be a real hero by simply stabilizing things and not raising the level of chaos.

I guess I'm just hoping for a single term president with the power to calm things down.

It will be the administration which follows that must be all action. Bold steps forward founded on the calm of my hypothetical one-termer.

I know it's an odd viewpoint, and I've just recently arrived at it, but it makes more and more sense to me all the time.

I just think we could all do with a 4-year "timeout".

[A Horse With No Name]

I can't stand bush...

... I even disliked it before he got in office.

I've always respected you, but my admiration grew by an order of magnatude when you said this...

Chris

[A Horse With No Name]

I'm not at all confident that any of the three candidates will have a meaningful impact on the cost of oil.

In fact, I'm thinking that maybe we should choose one of them based not on what they will do better, but on how much what they intend to do will make things worse.

I can't see a clear winner when I look at it that way.

I'm thinking that our next president would be a real hero by simply stabilizing things and not raising the level of chaos.

I guess I'm just hoping for a single term president with the power to calm things down.

It will be the administration which follows that must be all action. Bold steps forward founded on the calm of my hypothetical one-termer.

I know it's an odd viewpoint, and I've just recently arrived at it, but it makes more and more sense to me all the time.

I just think we could all do with a 4-year "timeout".

This is pretty much my thinking also for what it is worth. Clinton has the brains, Obama has the public speaking ability, and McCain has the experience but none of them thrill me.

I will pretty much be voting for Obama in the hopes that exactly that will happen, a 4 year time out.

Chris

[A Horse With No Name]

And as for the price of oil, given the vallue of the dollar, the rise in demand in India and China, our inability to conserve and cut back, and the fact that we are burning tons of the stuff in a mindless war in the middle east...

expect about $5.50 per gallon by the end of that next 4 year term.

Getting back to cars, all of this really makes me sad. There is a wicked silver 70 Nova cruising around Grove City Ohio here and I am again in automotive lust. (forget internet porn, who needs sex when you have cars?)

But I really can't justify a ground pounding big block right now.

But Oh my Freaking God how I want one...

Chris

[IfICouldWouldYou?]

Iraq is a wild card, I think. Other than that, a good old recession will put the brakes on oil prices. If U.S. consumption drops a few percentage points, it will put a drag on prices, followed a few months later by a downturn in the economy of China.

I think we are going to see a more interesting cycle for the near future as the economies of the U.S. and China become so entwined and collectively we both have such a large global impact on consumption of resources.

I don't see OPEC as the culprit any more. That was true 5 or so years ago. I think the rising economies of India, China and Brazil are having more of an impact. Don't forget, Russia is now the world's largest exporter of oil, not Saudi Arabia. Unfortunately, as Russian production has risen, so has consumption in non-traditional countries, like China.

[Camino LS6]

This is pretty much my thinking also for what it is worth. Clinton has the brains, Obama has the public speaking ability, and McCain has the experience but none of them thrill me.

I will pretty much be voting for Obama in the hopes that exactly that will happen, a 4 year time out.

Chris

I have yet to reach a firm decision on who I'm for.

The fact that I feel this way is testament to how badly our current fool has performed. It is stunning to think that any president could squander the golden opportunity provided by the worldwide goodwill in the aftermath of 9/11.

I still can't believe that it all happened the way it has, simply amazing.

[loki]

For oil prices to go down, the dollar needs to get stronger, and for that to happen, either interest rates need to go up or the federal government needs to reduce its deficit substantially. We need to end the war in Iraq, and we need to reverse most of the 2001 and 2003 tax cuts.

i don't know about Nader, but RP wants to exit asap and safely. Gravel (now libertarian i think) has a 120day exit plan. the tax cuts...I believe those are always good, it supposedly raised more federal income from other sources, like trade/economy increase

The main two things we can do to help with our deficit;

1. Encourage and support leaders who will get us out of Iraq and other countries that we are blowing money on

2. Buy American made & owned. Vote in a President that will do major reform to the trade acts we currently have.

Yes, you can make a difference.

not only IRAQ but also the other ~140 countries we subsidize because of our military bases. I think i saw a report that Ecuador has passed a bill to basically kick our military out of their country. (YAY!)

I have yet to reach a firm decision on who I'm for.

The fact that I feel this way is testament to how badly our current fool has performed. It is stunning to think that any president could squander the golden opportunity provided by the worldwide goodwill in the aftermath of 9/11.

there are more than 3 people to vote for, if one of the others fits your ideals better...I think there is something to be said about people that vote for the least compromising person of their ideals, even if that candidate has <1% to make it. hope that makes sense.

as I said above, if the "3" candidates running win the election...don't expect better change in oil prices directly because of them.

[Drew Dowdell]

I have yet to reach a firm decision on who I'm for.

The fact that I feel this way is testament to how badly our current fool has performed. It is stunning to think that any president could squander the golden opportunity provided by the worldwide goodwill in the aftermath of 9/11.

I still can't believe that it all happened the way it has, simply amazing.

At a rally a man shouted at Obama, "You'd make a much better President than G.W. Bush"

Obama shouted back, "So would you!"

[ehaase]

I have learned never again to vote for recovering drunks with daddy issues.

[gm4life]

I see there is such a hate for Mr. Bush while I agree with some of his postions many others I don't. Back in 2000 and 2004 no better alternative was out there. Therefore by the lesser of evils he got my vote. I wish we wouldn't all be so quick to throw stones at the man. You folks are right GWB has made some bone headed decisions no-child left behind is just one. I want cheap gas as bad as the next guy, but seriously is that going to happen? Sure it could but, holding my breath for any of these three poor canidates to change that is unlikely. At any rate I know who I won't be voting for and that is Obama. I am more likely to vote for McCain but Mrs. Clinton is sounding better ever day. Then again I am just a good ol' country boy. But I have always been slow to critize and am sure to share credit. It is not all GWB's fault, the congress has a lower approval rating than him, if we all fail it is together. I personally think were not failing but going through a struggle and trust me buying General Motors product at time like this is just what this country needs to help our economy, not to mention workers. :AH-HA_wink: At any rate none of the canidates have it all, they all are missing something some more than others. I try to stay out of politics, come November it will be a tough choice between the two no doubt. Ask me today, I say McCain, but he is liberal republican that in and of itself bothers me. So yes we have to face it we gotta listen to this &#036;h&#33; another few months and watch every single one play the ol' dirty Washington tricks but when it comes down to it... They are all vein people who want power some more than others. I look at who the nominees could have been and shake my head how did we get stuck with this &#036;h&#33;? Guess will know what pile of &#036;h&#33; we'll get stuck with by Christmas, then I can have one lump of coal, two lumps of coal possibly three. Anyways... NO TOYOTA!

Edited April 5, 2008 by gm4life

[wildcat]

What I don't get is that, just yesterday, I saw some new poll that 80% of Americans believe the country is headed in the wrong direction. And another recent poll said Bush's approval rating is the lowest ever. Yet how can the candidate who is most like Bush (McCain), who aligns himself with him, etc. be so competitive. You know the poll, "If the election were held today and McCain ran against ---, who would win?" It ought to be a landslide in favor of one of the Democrats, yet the ratings state otherwise.

[loki]

What I don't get is that, just yesterday, I saw some new poll that 80% of Americans believe the country is headed in the wrong direction. And another recent poll said Bush's approval rating is the lowest ever. Yet how can the candidate who is most like Bush (McCain), who aligns himself with him, etc. be so competitive. You know the poll, "If the election were held today and McCain ran against ---, who would win?" It ought to be a landslide in favor of one of the Democrats, yet the ratings state otherwise.

yeah, I know what you mean. but "all the candidates" are also from the senate... so it prolly cancels somewhat. I think it's just a general apathy/untrust of the gov't that these polls show....or typical party politics, which help noone.

[Toyota.vs.GM]

What people need to understand is that you can buy a oil or gasoline contract the same way you can buy a share of GM or Toyota,by buying the contract you INCREASE the price.OIL and GASOLINE are investments tools.

Edited April 6, 2008 by Toyota.vs.GM

[capriceman]

What people need to understand is that you can buy a oil or gasoline contract the same way you can buy a share of GM or Toyota,by buying the contract you INCREASE the price.OIL and GASOLINE are investments tools.

true

Also Ask E.U. about there gas prices. Also account for inflation. We have been lucky for a long time don't think politics will change this at all. Falsifying quantity and demand to bring in billion dollar profits has more to deal with oil prices than politics.

We all want gas to be $1.50 a gallon but it wont happen ever again like the 60's its long gone. deal with it. drive less or save more money.

[The O.C.]

What happens if/when US pulls out of Iraq and the whole region destabilizes?

Like it was ever really stabilized in the first place....? Either before we got there or after.....?

[daves87rs]

What people need to understand is that you can buy a oil or gasoline contract the same way you can buy a share of GM or Toyota,by buying the contract you INCREASE the price.OIL and GASOLINE are investments tools.

Yes, if you are are smart, you can use it to destroy other countries while you are at it.....

Oh, wait, that is already happening.....

Too bad we can do nothing about it besides stock up on the Vasoline.....

[daves87rs]

Like it was ever really stabilized in the first place....? Either before we got there or after.....?

Yep, and it's only going to get worse....

[loki]

gas wold still be about $.25 if we were on the gold standard... I know it's youtube, but

is a good example of what has happened to our "mighty dollar".

[frogger]

Like it was ever really stabilized in the first place....? Either before we got there or after.....?

It was as Switzerland compared to what has and will ensue when they are left behind.

[ZL-1]

It was as Switzerland compared to what has and will ensue when they are left behind.

I didn't know Switzerland was ruled by a dictator who used chemical weapons against his own country's population. I guess I should go back and re-study contemporary European history............

Edited April 6, 2008 by ZL-1

[The O.C.]

I didn't know Switzerland was ruled by a dictator who used chemical weapons against his own country's population. I guess I should go back and re-study contemporary European history............

Funny thing is.......Iraq was far better off under Saddam before we got involved.

Remember.....those people are USED to that kind of living......for better, or for worse. It's all they know. Not every country in the world wants to be, or even knows how to be, democratic......

It's our mistake to think we should instill our way of life on parts of the country that are so inherently different than we are.

We need to protect our own soil. And as far as protecting our own interests around the globe? We need to walk a VERY fine line with that.....but make sure we never cross it.

I hate to be caulous.....but I could give a &#036;h&#33; what Saddam (or any other dictator like him) does/did to his own country or his people.....as long as it doesn't directly impact, or seem like it's going to impact.....ME. It's not my business.....it's not my issue.....but WAY more importantly, it's not my culture.....and I will most likely never understand their culture. There are other factions of the middle east we should have been way more cautious about. (Re....I said "cautious".....not that we should "invade".)

Edited April 6, 2008 by The O.C.

[Blake Noble]

Iraq is one of the biggest blunders of the Bush administration.

And I don't think anyone would disagree that Bush perhaps felt gratified when Saddam was executed. Saddam, after all, had a vendetta against Bush Sr. during his tenure in the White House.

Edited April 6, 2008 by YellowJacket894

[The O.C.]

Iraq is one of the biggest blunders of the Bush administration.

And I don't think anyone would disagree that Bush perhaps felt gratified when Saddam was executed. Saddam, after all, had a vendetta against Bush Sr. during his tenure in the White House.

Not to turn this thread more political than it is......

.....but I find it hilarious that one of Bush's mantras is......"There hasn't been an attack on American soil since 9/11....."

Well.....uh......as best as I can remember.......there hasn't been an attack on American soil prior to that either.......!" (terrorist attack....Pearl Harbor was perhaps the last attack on American soil...?)

But.....I can tell you this.......BECAUSE of what Bush has done......I feel more threatened than ever that there WILL be another attack on our soil (or at least a very serious attempt.)

[The O.C.]

It's kindof like if you were the geeky kid in high school (not that the U.S. is "geeky".....just using it as a metaphor....)

If you don't want to get attacked by the school "bullies"......why pester them? Keep out of their way, and they most likely won't bother you. Keep to your studies, graduate with top grades, and make a wonderful life for yourself.

The "bullies" will end up in their rightful place in life......

That's how I see the U.S. ("geeky" kid, successful in life) and the Terrorists/Middle East/Islamists ("bullies" that will never much amount to anything significant.)

Edited April 6, 2008 by The O.C.

[loki]

look at what we did to Iran. overthrow an elected person and then they had revolution and installed the Shah.... we F up other countries when we mess with them by force.

[ehaase]

Iraq is one of the biggest blunders of the Bush administration.

Iraq is the biggest blunder in the history of U.S. foreign policy.

[regfootball]

Iraq is the biggest blunder in the history of U.S. foreign policy.

whoever our next pres is, we need to start a massive PR campaign built on change and postivity, despite what we may do in Iraq...but at a minimum, we need to convey to the world that the US in under new leadership.

i do think the world will benefit from the execution of saddam, however, i was mistaken in thinking that that alone would bring momentum to our efforts there.

Edited April 6, 2008 by regfootball

[Camino LS6]

It may surprise some of you, but for me Iraq is a minor issue in this election.

[vonVeezelsnider]

It may surprise some of you, but for me Iraq is a minor issue in this election.

It doesn't surprise me, the informed voter has a key issue, for a lot of people, it's Iraq, for Lou Dobbs, it's illegal immigration, etc... etc... Regardless of who they elect, Clinton, McCain or Obama, they'll all have a higher comprehension of world events and what's going around them, and all will deliver better speeches.

[CARBIZ]

It may surprise some of you, but for me Iraq is a minor issue in this election.

What would you consider more important?

America cannot afford (both literally and figuratively) another Vietnam. If, as I've heard some critics say, the Iraq war ends up costing more than a couple trillion dollars, that is frightening. Just think what Washington could have done with that money. Free Medicare? Fix the pension shortfalls? Cure cancer?

The hyper inflation of the '70s and the economic moraise back then was not helped by Vietnam!

I was (am?) all for the Iraq invasion, but it has turned into a bloody mess. How could they not have forseen Iran taking advantage of this? Of Al-quaeda? One of the biggest problems in the Middle East (not America's fault, BTW) is that the political national boundaries are arbitrary and do not follow ethnic/tribal lines. Japan and Germany were homogenous states, very civilized and, even despite the heavy Allied bombings, had a strong infrastructure. In many ways, the Middle East is stuck in the Middle Ages. How could Bush and his cronies have presumed to force democracy on people like that? There isn't a religious state in history that welcomed democracy with open arms. Just look at the struggles in Europe after Reformation! It took merry old England several hundred years from Magna Carta in 1215 until true democracy set in.

How could Bush have expected to implement that in a few years?

[ehaase]

Just think what Washington could have done with that money.

Better yet, not spend the money at all and have a lower federal debt.

[frogger]

I didn't know Switzerland was ruled by a dictator who used chemical weapons against his own country's population. I guess I should go back and re-study contemporary European history............

That former dictatorship version of Iraq will look like utopia in comparison to a post US Iraq. As mentioned by others, not every country needs or can be a western style democracy.

[Camino LS6]

What would you consider more important?

America cannot afford (both literally and figuratively) another Vietnam. If, as I've heard some critics say, the Iraq war ends up costing more than a couple trillion dollars, that is frightening. Just think what Washington could have done with that money. Free Medicare? Fix the pension shortfalls? Cure cancer?

The hyper inflation of the '70s and the economic moraise back then was not helped by Vietnam!

I was (am?) all for the Iraq invasion, but it has turned into a bloody mess. How could they not have forseen Iran taking advantage of this? Of Al-quaeda? One of the biggest problems in the Middle East (not America's fault, BTW) is that the political national boundaries are arbitrary and do not follow ethnic/tribal lines. Japan and Germany were homogenous states, very civilized and, even despite the heavy Allied bombings, had a strong infrastructure. In many ways, the Middle East is stuck in the Middle Ages. How could Bush and his cronies have presumed to force democracy on people like that? There isn't a religious state in history that welcomed democracy with open arms. Just look at the struggles in Europe after Reformation! It took merry old England several hundred years from Magna Carta in 1215 until true democracy set in.

How could Bush have expected to implement that in a few years?

Here's another shocker, I was against the decision to invade - I saw it as unnecessary. And I'm PO'd at Bush for saying that we wouldn't nation-build, and then going ahead and doing just that (or trying to). With that said, I'm far more concerned with domestic issues, especially the abuse of our freedoms via the "Patriot" act. I find what's being done here in the name of security to be far worse than the escapade in Iraq.

[Drew Dowdell]

gas wold still be about $.25 if we were on the gold standard... I know it's youtube, but

is a good example of what has happened to our "mighty dollar".

man... really. lay off the kool-aid!

[loki]

man... really. lay off the kool-aid!

lol

what if that's the antidote to the coolaid "everyone"'s been drinking since birth? counter cool-aid if you like. ...."everything you know is wrong"-Weird Al.

is "public knowledge" that hardly noone knows about so bad to bring up in conversations?

[daves87rs]

Better yet, not spend the money at all and have a lower federal debt.

[regfootball]

the fact that we spend hugebucks in Iraq is what is keeping people from spending here, both companies and individuals/couples/families.

i'm all about making sure we don't have to deal with that bunch over there but honestly the oil companies and iraq war as well as corporate greed in general / outsourcing and hell let's add unfair trade have is in a position to destroy our economy if things don't swing SOON.

[loki]

the fact that we spend hugebucks in Iraq is what is keeping people from spending here, both companies and individuals/couples/families.

i'm all about making sure we don't have to deal with that bunch over there but honestly the oil companies and iraq war as well as corporate greed in general / outsourcing and hell let's add unfair trade have is in a position to destroy our economy if things don't swing SOON.

and think how much we spend on "private contractors" there too...there are more of them than there are of our military.... evidently our military sucks (not my opinion, just stating from the evidence)... we have to hire mercs to fill in for us.... black water is like a french foreign legion, but hasn't answered to anyone from the Iraq "power holders" or our "government oversight".