5th Gen Will be at NAIAS 2006

[Mr.]

ran into an old friend this weekend

This friend works for GM

This friend is "claying" the 5th generation Camaro concept for the 2006 NAIAS right now

I tried to get info from this friend but was unsuccessful

I emailed this friend a picture of what is said to be 85% accurate and received a very bitter phone call in response referencing the kind of trouble this friend would have been in if they were to have opened the attachment at work

The picture I emailed can be found here. The very first picture at the top.
http://www.cheersandgears.com/forums/index...?showtopic=1904

[Endo]

Insider info from someone who joined the board today. <_<

[Northstar]

It's going to be clay? I thought guionM said it would be a real car.

[Sixty8panther]

they design it in clay first silly.... just because he's a new member does not mean he has to be lying. Like they say even Ted Kennedy has has a valid point about once a decade. :ph34r: Edited October 12, 2005 by Sixty8panther

[Flybrian]

Like they say even Ted Kennedy has has a valid point about once a decade. :ph34r:

[post="27518"]<{POST_SNAPBACK}>[/post]

Who says that besides you? Seriously, stop bringing up Ted Kennedy all the time.

Anyway, everything is conjecture until the press days.

[knightfan26917]

*rolls eyes*

Yet another "Camaro is coming" thread.

Right.

Show me the realness.

Show me the Camaro lines.

Show me the RWD.

Show me the V8.

Show me that very car IN MY DRIVEWAY, ready for a testdrive.

Then I'll believe and talk new Camaro is here.....


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[!!!TED!!!]

I "clayed" a 5th Gen concept in 2000. Hurry up GM! :lol:

[hyperv6]

I have no idea who this guy is but the Camaro will be in Detroit unless something changes between now and then like chapter 11. Fbodfather has confirmed the plan and he is one in the know! The plan is to premire it like the Z06 at a private party preceding the show. Besides I thought GM and most companies have given up on clay? I also would think they would be doing assembley work at this time? Only the Solstice was started this late for the NAAS. Edited October 12, 2005 by hyperv6

[CSpec]

They should have been doing clays for a long time now....

[Cory Wolfe]

Don't believe it... About as believable as me getting that damn Civic.

[Satty]

Don't believe it... About as believable as me getting that damn Civic.

[post="27633"]<{POST_SNAPBACK}>[/post]

Or as me getting that sweet Mini Cooper that some bitch bought out from under me while I was trying to find an insurance company who wouldn't rape me.

[Guest Josh]

One thing I've learned in this business is to never dismiss any rumor.

[AAS]

One thing I've learned in this business is to never dismiss any rumor.

[post="27664"]<{POST_SNAPBACK}>[/post]

except that this type of rumor has the potential of costing me a plane ticket and hotel to get to the NAIAS! :blink:

[Sixty8panther]

Who says that besides you? Seriously, stop bringing up Ted Kennedy all the time.

[post="27519"]<{POST_SNAPBACK}>[/post]

I live in Mass. some of us in this Socialist state actauly DIDN'T vote for Ted Kennedy believe it or not. It's a famous line I've read not only locally but in magazines like Newsweek & Time, so yes people do crack jookes along those lines... And FYI: I bring up Ted Kennedy a lot less often than you bring up how you hate old school BOF vehicles (esp. Panther cars) and how old people drive them in Florida and clog up your roads.

Nothing wrong wiht a little local humor. :) Edited October 12, 2005 by Sixty8panther

[Cory Wolfe]

And you bash FWD more often than both of those combined! :D

[Croc]

And you bash FWD more often than both of those combined! :D

[post="27850"]<{POST_SNAPBACK}>[/post]

Yeah, I hope the Camaro shows just so some people can shut up about it! Edited October 13, 2005 by Croc

[Guest Josh]

except that this type of rumor has the potential of costing me a plane ticket and hotel to get to the NAIAS!  :blink:

[post="27679"]<{POST_SNAPBACK}>[/post]

COme on out we'll party. The city will be gearing up for the Superbowl so LOTS will be going on!

[NOS2006]

COme on out we'll party. The city will be gearing up for the Superbowl so LOTS will be going on!

[post="27974"]<{POST_SNAPBACK}>[/post]

Hells yes.

[knightfan26917]

COme on out we'll party. The city will be gearing up for the Superbowl so LOTS will be going on!

*raises eyebrow*

Hmm....

Maybe I will show up after all ... we'll see....

[Sixty8panther]

And you bash FWD more often than both of those combined! :D

[post="27850"]<{POST_SNAPBACK}>[/post]

Here we F***ing go again. Seem like you like to talk about FWD in every thread not me. http://www.cheersandgears.com/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/AH-HA_wink.gif :rolleyes:

[Teh Ricer Civic!]

hey 68, i hear the new 'maro is gonna be FWD

[Croc]

I hear that in order to keep costs down, GM is only putting an Ecotec in it for the first three years, with a supercharged option appearing as part of a MCE. Also, it will be retro and therefore only have a 3-spd transmission. Automatic only.

[Flybrian]

I can tell you already that its ugly. Not enough chrome. Also, needs a 2-stroke diesel version known as the Camaro Club Sport. Also, the rear sunshades on the next Camaro will need to be better. So. They don't. Break. Too often. Anyway, coupes are dead. Its 2006, not 1976.

[Teh Ricer Civic!]

reports also suggest it will come standard with a landeau top

[Croc]

Don't forget the opera lamps! ...or the whitewalls!

[VenSeattle]

I hear that in order to keep costs down, GM is only putting an Ecotec in it for the first three years, with a supercharged option appearing as part of a MCE.  Also, it will be retro and therefore only have a 3-spd transmission.  Automatic only.

[post="28084"]<{POST_SNAPBACK}>[/post]

You forgot about the rumored Hybrid option for the Ecotec. :lol:

[Satty]

I dont say this enough, but I love you guys.*tear*

[NOS2006]

I dont say this enough, but I love you guys.*tear*

[post="28111"]<{POST_SNAPBACK}>[/post]

:withstupid:

[Croc]

You forgot about the rumored Hybrid option for the Ecotec. :lol:

[post="28102"]<{POST_SNAPBACK}>[/post]

Ugh I just KNEW I was forgetting something!

I saw a spy pic of the interior though, it's really retro. Lots of obviously fake, plasticine wood, no leather, but vinyl and cloth are options, column shifter of course, and the window cranks had a very artful design on the handle. Something like the flour de li from the old Chevrolet shield badge.

8-track is standard, again throwback.

[z28luvr01]

The question remains, will bias-ply tires and Astro-ventilation make a comeback? You guys are hilarious. I'm not holding my breath for NAIAS. AH-HA and evok have said that this is the year for GMT900 debuts and the Lambdas. Of course I'd really love to be pleasantly surprised *wink* *wink*

[AAS]

COme on out we'll party. The city will be gearing up for the Superbowl so LOTS will be going on!

[post="27974"]<{POST_SNAPBACK}>[/post]

good point... i'll have to start giving this some serious thought!

[91z4me]

ran into an old friend this weekend

This friend works for GM

This friend is "claying" the 5th generation Camaro concept for the 2006 NAIAS right now

I tried to get info from this friend but was unsuccessful

I emailed this friend a picture of what is said to be 85% accurate and received a very bitter phone call in response referencing the kind of trouble this friend would have been in if they were to have opened the attachment at work

The picture I emailed can be found here. The very first picture at the top.
http://www.cheersandgears.com/forums/index...?showtopic=1904

[post="27455"]<{POST_SNAPBACK}>[/post]

Guys, calm down everything Mr. Says fits with what we currently know. Lets not run off a potential inside connection.

BTW to those questioning why would they be claying the car now: Lets say that GM shows the dealers a preview of the car in Vegas this month. Who said they are going to see the actual car? They could be seeing clay models or a clown car and an interior buck.

Clays are still used to get all the lines down of cars even with computers and lots of other stuff. You guys should watch the Roush episode of Rides or the one that was on the other night with Foose's Mustang. They clayed the front end for Foose's car and the Roush had a clay model that was cut out by a computer to work with since they worked on their Mustang parts before the car was shown to the public.

Lets not all be Doubting Thomas's, Ok.

[Croc]

No, we shouldn't be doubting Thomases, but y'all shouldn't be Hopeful Heathers either.

[Satty]

Yeah, until I have a reason not to, I'm going to trust what our REAL insiders say, and they say NAIAS will be production vehicles.

[FUTURE_OF_GM]

I'll back him up... I've heard the EXACT same thing from reliable sources.

[91z4me]

Yeah, until I have a reason not to, I'm going to trust what our REAL insiders say, and they say NAIAS will be production vehicles.

[post="28307"]<{POST_SNAPBACK}>[/post]

He didn't say it would be a production car now did he?

[Satty]

Our reliable sources have said GM will have almost no concept presence at NAIAS '06. Like I said, I'm sticking with them until I have a good reason not to.

[Croc]

Both AH-HA and evok have said quite flatly that there will be no Camaro at NAIAS. I'm going with that. Why? Well, we've been promised Camaros at NAIAS for the past three years, with AH-HA and evok providing the voice of reason in those instances. Why should I doubt them now?

[Cory Wolfe]

Here we F***ing go again. Seem like you like to talk about FWD in every thread not me.

Yes, I do... Except I don't bash it for the hell of it.

hey 68, i hear the new 'maro is gonna be FWD

reports also suggest it will come standard with a landeau top

I hear that in order to keep costs down, GM is only putting an Ecotec in it for the first three years, with a supercharged option appearing as part of a MCE. Also, it will be retro and therefore only have a 3-spd transmission. Automatic only.

Don't forget the opera lamps! ...or the whitewalls!

I saw a spy pic of the interior though, it's really retro. Lots of obviously fake, plasticine wood, no leather, but vinyl and cloth are options, column shifter of course, and the window cranks had a very artful design on the handle. Something like the flour de li from the old Chevrolet shield badge.

I can tell you already that its ugly. Not enough chrome. Also, needs a 2-stroke diesel version known as the Camaro Club Sport. Also, the rear sunshades on the next Camaro will need to be better. So. They don't. Break. Too often.

You guys are my heroes! :P

Anyway, coupes are dead. Its 2006, not 1976.

I resent that... <_< Edited October 13, 2005 by blackviper8891

[Croc]

OK...so coupes exist. But that doesn't make it a huge market. The coupe market is relatively stagnant, or "dead."

[Cory Wolfe]

I still resent that... The day I buy a sedan is the day that I die... or get Married and have kids, which... depending on my choices, may never happen. :P

[91z4me]

Our reliable sources have said GM will have almost no concept presence at NAIAS '06.  Like I said, I'm sticking with them until I have a good reason not to.

[post="28345"]<{POST_SNAPBACK}>[/post]

Ok then do that but don't be a jack@ss to a new guy for posting what he heard from what he believes is a reliable source, who might actually be working on the car. Also remember that things change VERY quickly when it comes to auto shows, the Dodge Charger could have been shown when the 300 was but was pulled to not take attention from the Chrylser 300.

Both AH-HA and evok have said quite flatly that there will be no Camaro at NAIAS. I'm going with that.

Why?

Well, we've been promised Camaros at NAIAS for the past three years, with AH-HA and evok providing the voice of reason in those instances.

I don't believe that the Fbodfather or GM officially declaring that a Camaro concept would be at NAIAS, did I miss that? No I didn't people made assumptions. I didn't have my hopes up I know that this would be the earliest year to see something, at the time, Sigma-lite based. If people want to belive AH-HA or evok more power to them I read carefully everything that I can that they say, but that doesn't mean they are the end all. Other people get information that they don't and sometimes the plans change. A Camaro might not be at NAIAS but hey it might be. Lets not jump the gun on somebody saying it might be there. Afterall the most reliable source of all things Camaro has left MANY hints that something VERY important to Camaro enthusiests will be at Detroit in January. So unless he is just yanking our chains and he is driving one of his fleet of B4Cs or Mr. Moss' ZL1 I think I will listen to him.

[Croc]

This is the last I'm saying on the subject: Compare the number of coupes offered to the number of sedans offered. Then, compare the number of coupes sold versus sedans sold. Just try that, and then get back with me.

[Croc]

Ok then do that but don't be a jack@ss to a new guy for posting what he heard from what he believes is a reliable source, who might actually be working on the car.  Also remember that things change VERY quickly when it comes to auto shows, the Dodge Charger could have been shown when the 300 was but was pulled to not take attention from the Chrylser 300.

Both AH-HA and evok have said quite flatly that there will be no Camaro at NAIAS. I'm going with that.

Why?

Well, we've been promised Camaros at NAIAS for the past three years, with AH-HA and evok providing the voice of reason in those instances.

I don't believe that the Fbodfather or GM officially declaring that a Camaro concept would be at NAIAS, did I miss that? No I didn't people made assumptions. I didn't have my hopes up I know that this would be the earliest year to see something, at the time, Sigma-lite based. If people want to belive AH-HA or evok more power to them I read carefully everything that I can that they say, but that doesn't mean they are the end all. Other people get information that they don't and sometimes the plans change. A Camaro might not be at NAIAS but hey it might be. Lets not jump the gun on somebody saying it might be there. Afterall the most reliable source of all things Camaro has left MANY hints that something VERY important to Camaro enthusiests will be at Detroit in January. So unless he is just yanking our chains and he is driving one of his fleet of B4Cs or Mr. Moss' ZL1 I think I will listen to him.

[post="28471"]<{POST_SNAPBACK}>[/post]

Chill out buddy, I'm just providing the reality check because this rumor comes around every year this season. Frankly, I don't think GM should produce one at this point; it makes bad business sense. I think GM knows this too. They rushed their trucks forward and delayed a few other programs. Do they really want to be messing around with a non-volume product? No, though Lutz got away with the waste of capital that is the Solstice and SKY.

Now before anyone jumps me regarding Solstice and SKY, know this: Unless a lot of variants are planned (at this point a negative) and they are on the market virtually unchanged for a good 9-10 years (another negative at this time), that platform will never post a single cent of profit.

[Brandon Lutz]

Scott Settlemire has repeatedly all but beat it into everyones heads over at CZ28 about it being there. He can't offically say the word "Camaro" but he has told everyone to look to the 2006 NAIAS. Basically there will be a chassis that the Camaro will based off of to justify its existence that it will share with another vehicle. This way this ensures soild production and survival of the car. Lutz himself has all but blurted it out in his blogs and interviews. When Red Planet/Fbodfather says what he says I tend to believe him. I doubt he would be telling all the Camaro fanatics to look to NAIAS in 06 if there would be nothing there. Another person from GM pulling that? Perhaps but not Settlimire. I would expect to see the car in sheetmetal form for public perception tests and sitting on a chassis modified to fit it and not the real chassis it will use. I also expect to see perhaps a Chevy Sedan there that the Camaro will be based off of.

[z28luvr01]

wildmanjoe and Croc, Flybrian's post was a parody of various well-known former C&G trolls. it was meant to be taken in jest.

[Flybrian]

wildmanjoe and Croc,

Flybrian's post was a parody of various well-known former C&G trolls. it was meant to be taken in jest.

[post="28500"]<{POST_SNAPBACK}>[/post]

Exactly, except for Chromium. He was cool, but a man of few words - words that happened to be NOT ENOUGH CHROME.

[Northstar]

This is the last I'm saying on the subject:

Compare the number of coupes offered to the number of sedans offered.  Then, compare the number of coupes sold versus sedans sold.  Just try that, and then get back with me.

[post="28494"]<{POST_SNAPBACK}>[/post]

That's hard to do because many coupes and sedans are sold under the same nameplate. I'd bet that the average transaction price for a coupe is a bit higher than that of the sedan as well.

Personally, I'd much rather have a coupe than a sedan, but I also don't have any kids to haul around in the back seat.

[hyperv6]

Scott Settlemire has repeatedly all but beat it into everyones heads over at CZ28 about it being there. He can't offically say the word "Camaro" but he has told everyone to look to the 2006 NAIAS.

Basically there will be a chassis that the Camaro will based off of to justify its existence that it will share with another vehicle. This way this ensures soild production and survival of the car.

Lutz himself has all but blurted it out in his blogs and interviews. When Red Planet/Fbodfather says what he says I tend to believe him. I doubt he would be telling all the Camaro fanatics to look to NAIAS in 06 if there would be nothing there. Another person from GM pulling that? Perhaps but not Settlimire.

I would expect to see the car in sheetmetal form for public perception tests and sitting on a chassis modified to fit it and not the real chassis it will use. I also expect to see perhaps a Chevy Sedan there that the Camaro will be based off of.

[post="28499"]<{POST_SNAPBACK}>[/post]

Brandon I wish more people were like you and understand who they can trust and who they should not.

I got the same infor from Fbod first hand and know him from past info to be good for this word! unless someone comes along between then and now and pulls this car from the show it is still on.

Scott is very careful about what he says and at time info may not make sense till you find some more later but his word on the car being there is good enough for me.

Let put it into perspective, when eveyone killed off the Zeta in March he told us it was not dead and will be reserected.

Let see am I going to believe someone posting on here or someone who's company car was a Z06 Camaro? I think I would go with the guy with the one off company car. Besides his new company car now is a 05 Z06 and he had his long before you could buy one.

But please watch and read what the Fbodfather/red planet posts as he will have the most accurate info allowed to be give this side of the black lake. He is good for his word and as he says keep the faith! He has not let me down yet in 5 years of accurate info.

Keep in mind if things change for the worse he will also be the first to let us know.

[Croc]

Not to be argumentative, but it's easy to say "unless something happens it will be there." And if it isn't? No, it was an accurate rumor, but something must have happened! I'm not buying it. --- Z: I am well aware Fly's remarks were in jest, but that does not make it any less true that the coupe market is pretty stagnated. The number of coupes has decreased in recent years dramatically, as have sales numbers. Why did the Grand Prix lose its coupe? Where are the Eldorado, Riviera or Cougar? Sales of the Stratus and Sebring coupes are far lower than the sedans (not including convertibles). Again, given the financial situation at GM, it would be a foolish business move to spend money on a non-core program. They've already done that with Solstice and SKY, and any further diversion of funds away from core product would be ridiculous. Then again, this is GM we're talking about...