2009 Honda Accord diesel to hit 52 mpg!

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The 2009 Honda Accord diesel looks set to make up for the mileage shortcomings of the soon to be deceased hybrid model in a big way. The new diesel is apparently derived from the 2.2L diesel that is currently available in European market Accords, one of which was shown recently with with a new emission control system at a diesel conference in California. That car is apparently capable of 52mpg which, if replicated by the production version, will put it well ahead of anything else in its class. The best part is drivers will never have to add any urea like they do with the BlueTec diesels from Mercedes and VW.

[Flybrian]

Is it really that much trouble for people to take a leak in their gas tank? Seriously. Honda catering to laziness again...

[Petra]

I wonder what the cost premium will be compared with gasoline versions.

Consider that this car will get equal mileage to my 1994 VW Jetta Diesel, but will have amenities such as power windows, A/C (ok, my car has A/C, it just doesn't work), not to mention a lot more room, whilst weighing probably about 1,000 pounds more. That's what I call progress!

[Deds]

well here diesel cars are more expensive then gas cars, that 2.2 i-CTDi is very powerfull but to noisy, like electronic engine to many parasite noises its a strange engine lool that engine also equip civic, crv and accord sw

[bowtie_dude]

Hybrid vehicles have been owned.

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European combined cycle MPG figures are always overrated. For example, an '08 BMW 550i gets 15/22 on the US EPA test but 27.4 combined imperial MPG on the Euro test).

And the '08 Jetta TDI meets Tier 2 Bin 5 standards without a urea treatment.

[pow]

Hybrid vehicles have been owned.

They serve different purposes. A diesel will always burn fuel during stop-and-go traffic, and a hybrid will always use less-efficient gasoline power on the highway. A diesel-hybrid, on the other hand...

[FAPTurbo]

I wonder if they could put it into the S2000. That'd solve any 'torque problems'.

[thegriffon]

European combined cycle MPG figures are always overrated. For example, an '08 BMW 550i gets 15/22 on the US EPA test but 27.4 combined imperial MPG on the Euro test).

And the '08 Jetta TDI meets Tier 2 Bin 5 standards without a urea treatment.

The Jetta gets a NOx catalyst just as the Accord does. Larger engines will use the urea system, both will be called BlueTec, as for some reason VW and Daimler think Blue is Green when it comes to emissions (a blue sky thing probably).

[RBB]

Is it really that much trouble for people to take a leak in their gas tank? Seriously. Honda catering to laziness again...

Well, that's one way to become a #1 automaker...

-RBB

[Intrepidation]

Kudos to Honda for being the first one to bring a diesel sedan to this market...hopefully other will follow.

Urea, which is an extract from urine, is also an additive for processed beef products like what you'll find at McDonald's or Burger King. It ads "color, flavor, and juiciness". Just a fun fact

[Drew Dowdell]

Kudos to Honda for being the first one to bring a diesel sedan to this market...hopefully other will follow.

[regfootball]

Christ, here we go with the media sucking Honda's ***** again. Diesels were the equivalent of Satan at Carrie's prom, especially with Californians and ecoweenies and the press, and now all of a sudden Japan Inc is gearing up the PR machine so that when Honda says they have a diesel, it will all of a sudden be Jesus Christ on a stick.

Toyota has to have the hybrids now so Japan Inc said to Honda 'you are diesels now'. Start the PR machine now so all the US housewives and tree huggers will think diesel is a new technology to save the day that only a Japanese company can provide.

Once CR gets a hold of this, diesel will become golden and another thing the press will take potshots at Ford and GM for.

So how is it diesel will all of a sudden become OK? because the H is on the grille.

Knowing Honda though, the damn things will still lack torque. They'll probably have a 'V-Tec diesel' you gotta get 80% to redline to get any power out of.

No way I trust a Japanese diesel other than Isuzu until it's been on the road awhile. Same thing with Honda's turbos, no way I trust a Honda turbo until it's been tested 100k miles. I would most certaintly trust a VW diesel. I would trust a Mercedes or BMW diesel. I hope Honda has done their homework, they usually do....but then look at Tundra camshafts and Camry sludge, etc. Sometimes the Asian brands try so hard to optimaize their engineering they actually under engineer things. I sure hope they don't make flimsy headbolts, for example.

Edited June 8, 2007 by regfootball

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Christ, here we go with the media sucking Honda's ***** again. Diesels were the equivalent of Satan at Carrie's prom, especially with Californians and ecoweenies and the press, and now all of a sudden Japan Inc is gearing up the PR machine so that when Honda says they have a diesel, it will all of a sudden be Jesus Christ on a stick.

Toyota has to have the hybrids now so Japan Inc said to Honda 'you are diesels now'. Start the PR machine now so all the US housewives and tree huggers will think diesel is a new technology to save the day that only a Japanese company can provide.

Once CR gets a hold of this, diesel will become golden and another thing the press will take potshots at Ford and GM for.

So how is it diesel will all of a sudden become OK? because the H is on the grille.

Knowing Honda though, the damn things will still lack torque. They'll probably have a 'V-Tec diesel' you gotta get 80% to redline to get any power out of.

I take it you missed this thread.

[ZL-1]

I find it interesting that Americans seem to be more open to the possibility of having a diesel car. I believe any modern turbo-diesel's fat torque curve and overall driving characteristics will be appreciated by American drivers.

Regarding the emissions technology, I was under the impression that goal was to have the urea tank in BlueTec cars refilled at service intervals... what's written in the article implies that it would be up to drivers to refill it...

[Drew Dowdell]

I find it interesting that Americans seem to be more open to the possibility of having a diesel car. I believe any modern turbo-diesel's fat torque curve and overall driving characteristics will be appreciated by American drivers.

Regarding the emissions technology, I was under the impression that goal was to have the urea tank in BlueTec cars refilled at service intervals... what's written in the article implies that it would be up to drivers to refill it...

I'm sure, much like washer fluid, it could be refilled either by the Benz dealer, Jiffy lube, or the owner.

[Robert Hall]

This sounds pretty cool, esp. if it will be offered with a manual.. I'm sure this is worlds better than my '84 Escort diesel was... I'd buy a diesel again, esp. if I had a longer commute, and if I could get one that's loaded..