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Ding Dong the Wicked Witch is Dead

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Report: Honda Will Not Produce Hybrid Version of New Accord

The Nikkei Sunday edition reported that Honda will not introduce a hybrid model of the new Accord when the sedan undergoes a full design change in the autumn for the North American market.

Honda will release gasoline-electric hybrid versions only of the Civic and of its new small hybrid model currently under development for 2009 (earlier post), according to the report. Honda will equip mid-size and large vehicles such as the Accord with its new Tier 2 Bin 5 diesel engine. (The Accord is one of the demonstrator vehicles for the new diesel engine technology.)

Sixty8panther Newbie

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Most Hybrids are a waste of time.

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The Accord diesel is one car that could make me consider buying a Japanese brand. GM and Ford both need to get on the ball here.

haypops Newbie

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The Accord diesel is one car that could make me consider buying a Japanese brand. GM and Ford both need to get on the ball here.

Has anyone heard anything lately about the compression ignition gasoline engines?

agman25 Newbie

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Has anyone heard anything lately about the compression ignition gasoline engines?

I hear that GM has a prototype HCCI engine that they will show at an autoshow in 08.

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I read in one of the recent issues of Automobile Magazine that the Camry Hybrid would be dropped after this generation in lieu of a "Prius C." That is, the Prius would become something of a hybrid sub-series of Toyota, with the next-generation (2011?) Prius under the codename Prius B, a Yaris-sized model dubbed Prius A, and the range-topping Prius C.

Drew Dowdell Grand Master

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I read in one of the recent issues of Automobile Magazine that the Camry Hybrid would be dropped after this generation in lieu of a "Prius C." That is, the Prius would become something of a hybrid sub-series of Toyota, with the next-generation (2011?) Prius under the codename Prius B, a Yaris-sized model dubbed Prius A, and the range-topping Prius C.

Oh goody... another Toyota division.

Flybrian Newbie

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Toyota is also able to command a higher premium for a Prius-branded hybrid than a Camry/Highlander/etc that just has a hybrid powertrain. Shows where the interest lies.

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Makes sense. The Accord's IMA is way too "mild." It can't propel itself on electricity alone, and much like GM's BAS, most of its MPG increases come from non-hybrid related things.

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basically, the cartel in japan has decided that since toyota is known for hybrids, it would be in the JP national best interest for honda to not compete in hybrids anymore, but to use their resources to fight against the euro diesels instead. so there will be no competition between toyo and honda and each will get annointed by greenies as leaders in the other. watch all the greenies come out of the woodwork as diesel bangers once honda puts one out. then the press will praise honda for hooking onto such leading edge tech and they'll use it as an op to rip GM to shread for its maligned diesels from 30 years ago. by then, toyo will have the prius 'brand' out and so anything honda does with the diesel from a PR standpoint will just be more press fodder, like honda is on to something new and is the only company to ever have made a diesel. money is already being set aside to shove under the table to CR and anyone else honda friendly in the past.

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basically, the cartel in japan has decided that since Toyota is known for hybrids, it would be in the JP national best interest for honda to not compete in hybrids anymore, but to use their resources to fight against the euro diesels instead. so there will be no competition between toyo and honda and each will get annointed by greenies as leaders in the other.

Sorry I don't have the link but I read that Toyota said that the hybrids were a temporary fix until they get their diesel act together.

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It's true though, the US media does love to hate anything domestic,

unless the manufacturer is based in the "land of the rising sun."

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Honda to Discontinue Hybrid Accord Sedan

By BREE FOWLER 06.05.07, 6:25 PM ET

With gas prices reaching record high levels and increasing public interest in environmentally friendly technologies, you would think that any car labeled as a hybrid would sell easily.

But Honda Motor Co. (nyse: HMC - news - people ) on Tuesday announced that it will discontinue the hybrid version of its Accord sedan, citing disappointing sales.

Analysts said that despite the Accord's superior performance compared with some of its higher-volume competitors, it just doesn't fit with the current consumer demands for the smallest, cheapest hybrids with eye-popping fuel economy.

Brian Chee, an analyst with the vehicle research firm Autobytel.com, said the Accord's relatively low fuel economy and high price tag compared with other hybrid vehicles made it a tough sell.

"It was a pretty perky performance car that it was fun to drive, but it was expensive and it was not exactly what people were looking for as far as a hybrid," Chee said. "It was a clean-burning performance vehicle, but people wanted a hybrid with fuel economy."

The hybrid Accord gets an estimated 28 miles to the gallon in the city and starts at about $31,090, while the hybrid version of the company's smaller Civic sedan gets about 49 miles per gallon and starts at about $22,600, according to Honda's Web site.

By comparison, Toyota (nyse: TM - news - people )'s market-leading Prius model gets an estimated 60 miles per gallon and carries a $22,175 price tag, and the Toyota Camry hybrid gets about 40 miles per gallon and has a $26,000 sticker price.

"The Accord gets good mileage and that's just it. Hybrids have to get great gas mileage in order to sell," Chee said.

Honda, Japan's No. 2 automaker, said it will keep making the hybrid version of the Civic but stop offering the hybrid Accord after the new model expected to go on sale later this year.

In the years since its debut in 2004, Honda sold a total of 25,000 hybrid Accords, and just 6,100 last year.

In comparison, it has sold more than 153,000 of the Civic hybrids since they went on sale in 2001 in Japan, Europe and North America.

Meanwhile, demand for Toyota Motor Corp.'s market-leading Prius hybrid has taken off, with 729,800 units sold since December 1997. The company also has sold 53,681 of the Camry hybrids since they hit the market in May 2006.

Bill Kwong, a spokesman for Toyota, said that while the Camry sedan has not produced the same sales volumes as the Prius, Toyota officials are happy with its sales performance and have no plans to take it off the market.

Kwong said the Camry has had more sales success than the Accord because of its lower sticker price and more fuel efficient 4-cylindar engine, compared with the Accord's more powerful, but less efficient, six-cylinder engine.

Brett Smith, senior industry analyst at the Center for Automotive Research in Ann Arbor, Mich., agreed that the Accord's price and fuel economy hurt its sales, but added that it also remains unclear exactly how much demand there is for hybrid vehicles overall.

"Certainly there are those who are interested in hybrids and think fuel efficiency is good thing, but it comes down to willingness to pay for it," Smith said.

Smith said that as a hybrid vehicle's premium over its traditional gas model increases, the number of people willing to pay that premium decreases.

Chee said General Motors Corp. (nyse: GM - news - people )'s "aggressive" entrance into the hybrid market also could shake things up.

GM said Tuesday it would introduce four new hybrid models this year. The four new hybrids are the two-mode gas-electric systems in the Chevrolet Tahoe and GMC Yukon large sport utility vehicles, and hybrid systems for the Saturn Aura and new Chevrolet Malibu sedans.

Smith said GM is billing the SUVs as no compromise vehicles that will provide the power and performance SUV drivers have come to expect, but it's too early to tell if they'll catch on with consumers.

As with other hybrids, sales of the SUV models will depend on the automaker finding the right mix of power and fuel economy to attract buyers, he said.

Chee said he thinks there's a market for the larger hybrids, even if the fuel savings is minimal.

"A lot of people buy large vehicles because they need to tow and they need to haul people as well," Chee said. "I think anybody who owns a large vehicle is going to appreciate any fuel savings and they're going to be willing to pay for that."

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I'd rather see the Malibu and Aura (especially the Aura) with clean turbo-diesel power. And why the HELL don't the trucks have a small diesel yet? (Same could be asked of all the fullsize truck builders out there, really.)

As technically interesting as hybrids are, I think there's about to be a lot of sticker shock once all those Li-ion batteries have to be replaced in a few years or so. Unless Toyota's willing to take the next step and recycle the whole car, of course, but that's a pretty massive undertaking.

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