Toyota Stages World Debut of All-New 2007 Tundra CrewMax @ NAIAS

[scotthendersonfan]

Toyota Stages World Debut of All-new 2007 Tundra CrewMax At The 2007 North American International Auto Show

January 7, 2007 – Detroit - Toyota Motor Sales (TMS), U.S.A., Inc., unveiled the all-new 2007 Tundra CrewMax full-size pickup at a press conference here today at the 2007 North American International Auto Show. CrewMax, arriving at dealers in March, will join the Tundra Regular Cab and Tundra Double Cab models, which arrive in February.

Designed, engineered and built in America, the formidable Tundra line-up will set a new standard in the full-size pickup truck segment for performance, capability, standard safety features and styling.

"Tundra brings proven Toyota engineering, quality and durability to an intensely competitive full-size pickup market," said Jim Lentz, Toyota Motor Sales executive vice president. "The all-new Tundra is a historical launch for Toyota, because we are significantly increasing our production potential and presence in the full-size pickup truck category."

Larger in every dimension than the model it replaces, the 2007 Tundra is available in 31 model configurations, with a choice between 4x2 and 4x4 drivetrains. The 2007 Tundra offers three cab styles, three wheelbases, three bed lengths, three engines, and three trim levels. Tundra has been engineered for "true truckers" and can be configured to serve as a work truck, recreational truck or luxury family truck.

The 2007 Tundra brings the "power of the fist" design theme of the Toyota FTX Concept Truck to the showroom. From the side, the body's distinct "barbell" form with pronounced wheel arches conveys the truck's inherent strength. Character lines and fender flares add dimension and strength as well as an unwavering stance. The SR5 and Limited Grade models stand apart with a bold chrome grille surround.

Tundra backs up its tough new styling with the performance of an available new 381-horsepower 5.7-liter i-Force V8 engine teamed to a new six-speed automatic transmission. The i-Force 5.7 is one of the most powerful engines to be made available in a half-ton full-size pickup.

Tundra offers three cab styles: Regular Cab, four-door Double Cab, and the super-sized four-door CrewMax with the segment's leading rear-seat legroom. Tundra Regular Cab comes in DX trim level and can be upgraded to SR5 with an option package; the Double Cab and CrewMax models come in SR5 and Limited trim levels. Tundra offers high levels of user technology, including available Bluetooth cell phone compatibility, high-end audio and an optional navigation system that integrates a wide-screen rear backup camera.

Power for Big Jobs

The 2007 Tundra offers three levels of power. In Regular and Double Cab models, a standard 4.0-liter V6 produces 236 horsepower at 5,200 rpm and a healthy 266 lb.-ft. of peak torque at 4,000 rpm. The mid-grade option for these models – and standard for the CrewMax models – is an enhanced version of the proven Tundra's 4.7-liter i-Force V8 producing 271 horsepower at 5,400 rpm and 313 lb.-ft. of peak torque at 3,400 rpm.

Tundra models equipped with the 4.0-liter engine will have city/highway fuel economy ratings of 17/20 mpg. Tundra 4x2 and 4x4 models equipped with the 4.7-liter engine will both have city/highway fuel economy ratings of 15/18 mpg.

Both the V6 and the i-Force 4.7 V8 feature DOHC 4-valve cylinder heads and Variable Valve Timing with intelligence (VVT-i) for responsive power across the engine's operating range. Both engines are teamed exclusively with a five-speed automatic transmission that offers greater flexibility than competitors' four-speed automatics.

Updated flex lock-up torque converter control enhances transmission response and efficiency. For added driver control, the Tundra five-speed automatic features uphill / downhill shift logic. All Tundra models feature sequential shift as standard equipment.

i-Force 5.7 – A Force to be Reckoned With

The Tundra's trump card under the hood is an all-new 5.7-liter i-Force V8 that is available in every model configuration. Specifically designed for full-size pickup applications, the i-Force 5.7 uses a long-stroke configuration (stroke dimension of 4.02 in. is more than the bore width of 3.70 in.). As a result, in addition to its impressive 381 horsepower at 5,600 rpm, the i-Force 5.7 unleashes 401 lb.-ft of peak torque at 3,600 rpm.

Tundra 4x2 and 4x4 models equipped with the 5.7-liter engine will have city/highway fuel economy ratings of 16/20 mpg and 14/18 mpg, respectively.

The i-Force 5.7 V8 uses aluminum for the cylinder block and DOHC heads. This engine's more advanced Dual VVT-i controls valve timing and overlap on both the intake and exhaust valves, which also helps optimize power, fuel efficiency and emissions.

On all Tundra engines, the Acoustic Control Induction System (ACIS) uses butterfly valves inside intake manifold to switch the length of the intake tract in two stages, based on rpm and throttle angle, to improve torque across the engine speed range. Tubular stainless steel headers flow into a full stainless steel exhaust system with laser-welded, high-capacity mufflers for optimal efficiency and a commanding, powerful sound.

The i-Force 5.7 and 4.7 share a crank-hold electronic starter control that uses a "twist and release" ignition switch. The ECM controls the starter relay to prevent failed starts and "grinding" on a re-start attempt. Both the 5.7- and 4.7-liter Tundra engines meet the Ultra-Low Emissions Vehicle, or ULEV II, emissions certification.

The i-Force 5.7 is teamed exclusively with a new six-speed automatic transmission, which is only slightly larger than the five-speed automatic. Shift logic adapts the transmission's shift maps to driver input.

Both Tundra transmissions use new Toyota "WS" (world-standard) fluid with a flat viscosity/temperature curve (cold viscosity is close to warm viscosity). This fluid reduces friction and wear, enables faster vehicle warm-up, and never needs to be replaced.

Next year, select 2009 Tundra models equipped with the 5.7-liter V8 will offer flexible fuel capability with E85 ethanol.

Chassis Built for Capability, Control and Ride Quality

The 2007 Tundra is built on a new frame that is optimized for vigorous work duty, impact safety, and ride quality. There are three Tundra wheelbases: 126.8 inches for Regular Cab/standard bed models; 145.7 inches for Regular Cab/long bed, Double Cab/standard bed and CrewMax models, and a massive 164.6 inches for Double Cab/long bed models.

The Tundra's advanced TripleTech frame uses wide, full-boxed frame rails for the front portion, reinforced C-channel under the cab and an open C-channel underneath the bed to maximize strength, ride quality and durability.

Compared to the previous Tundra, the new model features more reinforced areas, increased high strength steel, increased steel gauge, and higher-rigidity suspension mounts. The engineering pays dividends in both work capability and ride-and-handling.

The double A-arm front suspension uses coil-over spring shock units, and a front-mounted steering rack helps enhance steering feel and response. The Tundra is equipped with the largest standard wheels in the segment – 18 x 8 inches with 255/70 R18 tires. Limited grade models step up to standard 18 x 8-inch aluminum-alloy wheels with wider 275/65 R18 tires. As an option, Limited models can be outfitted with factory-optional 20-inch alloy wheels with 275/55 R20 tires.

Compared to the previous Tundra, an increased tire-turning angle reduces the turning radius. The rear suspension features staggered shocks that are mounted outboard of the leaf springs to improve the shock's dampening efficiency. Spring rates have been tuned to provide a flat vehicle stance when fully loaded, and the spring "toe-out" mounting improves towing stability. Tuned bump stops improve controllability with large loads.

An optional TRD (Toyota Racing Development) Off-Road Package is available and combines off-road tuned suspension featuring Bilstein gas-charged mono-tube shock absorbers; 275/65 R18 B.F. Goodrich Radial T/A off-road tires on unique 18-inch alloy wheels; fog lamps, and special graphics.

The Segment's Most Advanced Brakes

Toyota equipped all new-model Tundras with the segment's most advanced standard braking systems. The four-wheel disc brake system uses large ventilated rotors front and rear: the front rotors measure 13.9 inches in diameter and 1.26-inches thick, with four-piston calipers. The rear discs measure 13.6 x 0.71-inch and use two-piston calipers. Anti-lock brakes (ABS) with Electronic Brake-force Distribution (EBD) and Brake Assist (BA) are standard on all models.

EBD optimizes brake pressure at each wheel for greater control under braking, especially when cornering. The Brake Assist system is designed to determine if the driver is attempting emergency braking. If the driver has not pressed firmly enough on the brake pedal to engage the ABS, the system supplements the applied braking power until pedal pressure is released.

A New Level of Pickup Truck Traction Management

The 2007 Tundra scores another first for the full-size pickup truck segment by equipping every model with the company's most advanced traction-enhancing dynamic control. First, the standard Automatic Limited-slip Differential (A LSD) provides computer-controlled cross-axle torque management that allows some wheel-spin (necessary for some surfaces). Compared to a conventional mechanical limited slip differential, the A-LSD system helps provide better acceleration in deep sand or mud and on low- or mixed-friction surfaces.

The combination of A-LSD and Vehicle Stability Control (VSC) as standard equipment on every model is a significant first in the segment. In contrast, some competitors restrict these important safety systems to certain models. The Tundra's VSC system integrates traction control (TRAC) on all models, and enhances traction on or off-road by helping to keep the vehicle going on its intended course. VSC detects front-wheel slide and rear-wheel slide during cornering and attempts to control either condition with throttle intervention and/or by braking individual wheels.

The integration of these technologies also brings with it driver-selectable versatility to tackle just about any road surface or driving condition. "Normal" mode enables all traction and stability capability. "TRAC Off" activates A-LSD, to help extricate the Tundra from extreme conditions. The "VSC Off" mode turns off all of these systems.

4x4 Capability

The combination of A-LSD and VSC gives the two-wheel drive Tundra models far better traction in more situations than could once be expected from a pickup truck. For more demanding conditions, Tundra's 4x4 configurations offer a part-time, shift-on-the fly four-wheel drive system featuring a six-pinion planetary reduction gearset to provide HIGH and LOW ranges. The driver selects the drive mode using a dial on the dash.

The V6 and i-Force 4.7 V8 Tundra models' rear differential uses a 9.5-inch ring gear, and the i-Force 5.7 models step up to a 10.5-inch ring gear – one of the largest in the segment. All Tundra differentials are made using new machining technology: "face hob" gear cutting for ring and pinion gears yields stronger tooth form and a greater engagement area for increased torque capacity and reduced gear noise.

Safety

On the safety front, all Tundra models feature the STAR safety system as standard equipment. As a result, Tundra will offer one of the most comprehensive suite of standard safety equipment in the full-size pickup market. The STAR safety system found on all of Toyota's SUVs includes ABS, Electronic Brakeforce Distribution (EBD), Brake Assist, Vehicle Stability Control (VSC) and Traction Control (TRAC). Tundra is the first full-size pickup to feature standard front and rear seat side and roll-sensing side curtain airbags in all models. Three-point seatbelts and adjustable headrests for all seating positions are likewise firsts in the segment. The front seatbelts integrate pretensioners and force limiters.

Towing Capability

The optional Tow Package for i-Force V8 models increases towing capacity significantly, up to 10,800 pounds, depending on the model and drivetrain (see specification sheet). The Tow Package is available on all V8 models and is standard on Double Cab Long-Bed models.

The Tow Package starts with a one-piece hydro-formed towing receiver integrated into the frame prior to bed installation. The structure attaches to each side of the frame around the rear spring shackles' frame cross-member with 12 bolts. Tow Package rear springs provide increased full-load rear suspension height and maintain full range of suspension travel. The Tundra stays level even with 1,000 lbs. of tongue weight or payload.

The Tow Package also upgrades Tundra's cooling and electrical systems. A water-to-oil engine oil cooler speeds engine warm-up and reduces friction at startup. The automatic transmission fluid warmer – first in the segment – warms the fluid quickly under cold ambient conditions, and the instrument panel gains an automatic transmission fluid (ATF) temperature gauge. A power steering fluid cooler is added below the radiator.

Electrical upgrades include an under-dash connector pigtail for a third-party trailer brake controller, both a seven-pin and a four-pin trailer brake connector near the hitch, and a higher output alternator (depending on engine). The final touch is a set of optional telescoping towing mirrors (available on 5.7-liter V8 models only). When the Tow Package is ordered for the 5.7-liter-equipped Tundra, its six-speed automatic transmission gains a TOW/HAUL shift mode, selectable by a dedicated switch. The TOW/HAUL shift mode applies specific logic for transmission upshift and downshift control, favoring and holding lower gears when accelerating or decelerating to enhance driver control and safety.

Three Bed Sizes

Tundra Regular Cab and Double Cab models are offered in standard bed

(78.7-inch) or long bed (97.6-inch) configurations; the CrewMax comes with a short bed (66.7-inch). In all models, the bed measures 22.2 inches deep. The Tundra's new lockable all-steel tailgate, with tailgate assist, can be effortlessly opened and closed with just two fingers – and it can easily be removed. A standard cargo lamp provides generous illumination at night.

A Deck Rail System, standard on Limited grade models and available on all others, adds to cargo bed versatility. Featuring adjustable tie-down cleats connected to the rails of the all-steel bed, the rail system can be used to secure many types of loads, with a 220 lbs. rating per attachment. The roster of Genuine Toyota Accessories available for the Tundra includes a number of cargo bed enhancements, including a tonneau cover, bed mat, bed liner, bed extender, Deck Rail accessories, storage boxes, cargo divider, tie-downs and utility hooks.

Front Office "Command and Control"

Inside the new Tundra, the driver is surrounded by a U-shaped "command and control" center that helps provide an unobstructed view of the road and gauges, while keeping all knobs, switches and buttons within easy reach. Dash and door panel forms emphasize function yet are far from austere.

Before crafting the Tundra interior, the designers studied "true truckers," customers who put the greatest demands on their pickups, including ranchers, foremen and construction workers. Because many true truckers wear protective clothing as part of their jobs, the new Tundra features large door handles and easy to turn control knobs that can be operated even while wearing work gloves.

Owners who spend a lot of time on the job site often use their trucks as mobile offices, so the designers gave Tundra increased storage capacity for this usage. The 3.4-liter upper glove box can hold a standard Thermos™ bottle, with additional space available in the 9.5-liter lower glovebox. The massive center console on bucket-seat models can hold a laptop computer or hanging file folder storage – a pickup truck first. For optimal comfort, the center console armrest features a four-inch slide range. The Tundra cockpit provides two 12v DC power outlets – one on the dash and one in the center console. CrewMax models add a third outlet at the rear of the center console. For added convenience, the outlets remain live for up to two hours after the ignition is switched off.

Room and Comfort for the Whole Crew

The Regular Cab offers more behind-the-seat storage than other pickups, and the Double Cab features front-hinged doors that open to 80 degrees for easy passenger access.

The Tundra Double Cab models provide a roomy rear seat with a 22-degree backrest angle and 34.7 inches of rear legroom for comfort on par with some midsize sedans. The Tundra CrewMax lives up to its name, providing a limousine-like best in class rear legroom at 44.5 inches in its rear most position. Moreover, CrewMax rear seat versatility is enhanced with the segment's only reclining and sliding rear seat. A 10-inch slide range allows the owner to custom-tailor passenger comfort and room for onboard cargo. CrewMax models provide additional storage under the rear seat.

On Double Cab and CrewMax models, the standard power rear windows retract completely into the doors. The Regular and Double Cab models offer a split sliding rear window to enhance interior ventilation, with a power vertical slide-down rear window standard on CrewMax models.

The 2007 Tundra offers four interior colors, including richly textured fabrics and deep-grain leathers available in four colors. As another nod to refinement, CrewMax limited models offer an optional power tilt/sliding moonroof with an automatic variable-position wind deflector.

Interior Storage

Toyota maximized space and added convenience within all Tundra cabs. A concealed compartment to the right of the shift lever can hold a Thomas® guidebook. The built-in toolbox behind the rear seat of all models provides clean, accessible storage for the jack, handle and lug wrench. In Double Cab and CrewMax models, the rear seat backs fold in an easy one-hand operation to provide a flat floor storage area. In all Tundra models, the front doors feature large storage pockets and can also hold two 22-ounce bottles. Rear doors on Double Cab and CrewMax each hold one bottle.

Leave the Job Site Behind Once You Get Inside

Once inside with the doors closed, occupant comfort starts with controlling the temperature. Standard High Solar Energy Absorbing (HSEA) glass helps filter solar heat and most UV (skin-sensitive) light energy entering the vehicle, reducing occupants' sun exposure, helping to keep the interior cooler and enhancing durability of interior materials. Limited grade models receive standard IR-cut glass, further reducing solar levels from infrared rays.

The Regular Cab DX and all SR5 grade models come standard with a versatile dual-zone manual climate control system with a seven-speed blower, sync-mode and a replaceable dust and pollen filter. In Limited grade models, the standard dual-zone automatic climate control system features a segment-first independent upper/lower temperature control. Its cooling performance reduces cabin-cooling time by five to 10 minutes compared to the previous Tundra.

The four-spoke steering wheel features standard audio controls in Limited grade and on the Double Cab with the optional JBL audio system. The available manual tilt and telescoping steering wheel is a first in the segment, as is the available power tilt and telescoping steering wheel. Showing Toyota's attention to detail, the rolling-ball telescoping steering shaft improves wheel-tilt feel compared to splined-sliding types.

Tundra Limited models give up none of the work ethic and add more refinement than ever seen on a Toyota pickup. A few more notable features that distinguish the Limited Grade models include: chrome, power-retractable, heated auto-dimming side-view mirrors; leather-trimmed, heated power-adjustable front bucket seats (10-way for driver, 4-way for passenger); an overhead console; rear door privacy glass; Optitron meters and a multi-information center featuring selectable readouts for the clock, outside temperature, and fuel economy; and a user-customizable interface that allows the Tundra owner to set keyless entry feedback; door unlock mode (one press/two press); automatic door locking programming; headlight auto-off timer, and the interior light timer.

Options to Entertain and Inform

The Regular Cab DX model comes with a standard AM/FM/CD stereo with four speakers and an audio input jack; SR5 models add a six-speaker system, and Limited grade models upgrade to a standard JBL AM/FM audio system with six-disc in-dash CD changer, 440-Watt 5.1 channel surround sound, 10 speakers (12 in CrewMax), Bluetooth® compatibility, and steering wheel audio controls. This system (with 10 speakers) is an option for the SR5 grade. All Tundra audio systems can play MP3/WMA formatted CDs.

CrewMax models offer an optional Rear Seat Entertainment (RSE) system that combines a nine-inch wide-screen LCD monitor, DVD player, two sets of wireless headphones and a remote control.

An available DVD navigation system includes a JBL audio system and integrates a rear backup camera. The camera automatically projects an image of what its lens can detect behind the vehicle onto the navigation system's LCD screen when reverse gear is engaged, excellent when backing up the Tundra to a trailer, or for positioning a boat trailer on a launch ramp.

A multifunction rear view mirror, standard on Limited grade models and optional for others, combines an electrochromic auto-dimming mirror with a digital compass and HomeLink® transceiver.

Backed by Toyota

Toyota's 36-month/36,000-mile basic new-vehicle limited warranty applies to all components other than normal wear and maintenance items. Additional 60-month warranties cover the powertrain for 60 months/60,000 miles and corrosion perforation for 60 months with no mileage limitation.

http://www.pressroom.toyota.com/Releases/V...YT2007010483060

Edited January 7, 2007 by scotthendersonfan

[big blue]

Exterior isn't too bad, interior still bugs me though. The side view makes the CrewMax look weird. Stubby looking front end with the tail looking way too high. I guess there needs to be more greenhouse or something to offset the hugeness of the sides.

[NOS2006]

It's just so fugly.. Is that just me?

[Intrepidation]

...and it's ugly.

From some angles the bed looks droopy and slanted down. What a fatty.

[Flybrian]

The rear doors are bigger than the front doors. Hillarious. I love all the construction and contractor talk. Get real. Who buys these things? Urban cowboys.

[K.C.]

Urban Cowboy here and I wouldn't have one of those if you could fit two of them in my ass (you can't btw). The front end looks like a big smashed into a brick wall, and in CrewMax models it looks awkward. I can't explain it. Kinda looks like its trying to hump itself. The interior is ok, but it looks like it would be a long, long reach to the NAV functions as well as some of the climate control functions. I dont think you could push many of those buttons with gloves on when its a cold Canadian day either. Despite all that, they are getting better. I think its great that GM can offer similar horsepower and much better fuel economy. I dont know what the 6.0 Vortec Max gets for mileage, but I am sure its competitive in every way with the new Toyota V-8.

[Northstar]

I think this will sell as well as the Mega Cab. In other words, it won't.

[MGZ06]

Wow is that ever underpowered! I think Toyota needs alot of work when it comes to the full size truck lineup. Goodluck against the GMT900's!

[FAPTurbo]

Sooooooooooo... it's got a big rear cab...

It still doesn't bring anything new to the market. If it did, I would give it credit... but it doesn't bring anything new, and still looks dopey.

[pow]

Tundra...

236 hp/266 lb-ft V6 (17/20)

271 hp/313 lb-ft 4.7 (15/18)

381 hp/401 lb-ft 5.7 (16/20)

Silverado...

195 hp/260 lb-ft V6 (17/21)

315 hp/338 lb-ft 5.3 (16/22)

367 hp/375 lb-ft 6.0 (15/19)

[FAPTurbo]

Did everyone take their "retardo" pills before posting? I think the average IQ of this thread drops with every consecutive post. Seriously, how about one reasonable, constructive post instead of more nonsense bashing.

You drive a truck?

My problem with the Tundra is that it brings nothing new to the table. There's no 'Midgate' like the Avalanche, nor is there a very useful 'trunk' like the Ridgeline's. You can argue that Ford has almost jack for innovation, but Dodge went about making their trucks more maneuverable, and brought about the 'look' of a big truck.

If you notice the engine list, you'll see that although the Tundra's V6 and top model V8 surpass GM's, the midline V8 is pretty pathetic when compared to GM's 5.3, and Ford's 5.4. The midline V8's are where a good chunk of the market are, and Toyota should have known better. Chances are, regular people who want the V6 may end up buying a Tacoma instead, and contractors who only need a V6 will likely go with a Domestic make because the Domestic will be cheaper.

The person looking for a midline V8 will likely look at the fuel economy and power, and the fact that GM has better economy, and 44 more horsepower, not to mention available E-85 capability, only works in GM's favour. Reliability is a key point for buyers, and Toyota does have that benefit, but that pertains mostly to cars. Domestic trucks, especially GM trucks, withstand the test of time very well. My dad's side were farmers, and drove Ford's and GM's just because they would not quit. My truck is 16 years old, and has not had any major problem. My neighbour who owned a Toyota T-100 has had his in a shop numerous times... He now drives a Ford.

Design... is purely subjective. I think the Toyota looks dopey, and overwrought. Kinda like Stallone when he started up on 'roids. However, many people will like it, so they have a choice. The clean, blocky looks of the GM/Chevrolet twins, or the 'big' looks of the Toyota.

And the 'retardo pills' quip... what a great way to lend credibility to your position, and to your person. You want a constructive post? Make one yourself.

Edited January 7, 2007 by Captainbooyah

[rosserman]

I have driven trucks since i started driving. I do not see anything in this truck that makes it any better than any other full size truck. In all of the areas in which this truck beats the others, it is mot by much. For example, 300 lbs greater towing ability... who cares? That is just there so they can say "we tow more". i am guessing that most people will see this as a "just on par" truck and stick to what they are familiar with. Just my $.02.

P.S. it is ugly as sin to boot

[The O.C.]

Once again the communication process has been broken down. Noticed what I bolded in my last post? Try that. Will do you and everyone else you come in contact with a world of good.

Uh....I'm with Scott.....the sheer Tundra-bashing is immaturity being shown at it's worst.....

Let's have some real conversation about the truck......M-KAY...?

I'm a non-pickup guy that is a big fan of this new Toyota (maybe that's what they were looking for?) I like the exterior look, I LOVE the interior, and the new 5.7L sounds like it will be a superb powertrain.

I'm also guessing that the 4.7L will match up more with GM's 4.8L in terms of volume.....with the new 5.7L being the highest-capacity V8 offering.....matching up with the GM 5.3L.

Anyone seen a bench-seat setup yet??

[CARBIZ]

It wouldn't surprise anyone here to know that I wouldn't use a Toyota to pull my mother out of quicksand. She would rather die than bare the shame; however, having said that, being as this is Toyota's 3rd attempt at a decent-sized truck, it still falls a little short. Since these loaded trucks will be priced sky high in Canada ($60k or more!), they will sell more of the base units which I will wait with bated breath to see.

More to the point will be what the jackals in the media have to say about this saga as it unfolds. As they love to bash Ford and GM at every turn in the car department, and as it has been generally (reluctantly?) acknowledged that GM and Ford (in that order?) are the ones to beat, will the media give Toyota every break, or judge the truck fairly?

Personal attacks aside, it doesn't matter what we on this board think, it will be decided in the show rooms of North America. Trucks buyers are (generally) a little more savvy than car buyers, know their stuff a little more and aren't swayed by the BS (especially published statistics, which are generally total crap!) in CR, MT, etc.

[Northstar]

Posts have been deleted and appropriate punishments have been given. I do not want this type of posting to take place again, in any thread. If it does continue, more severe punishments may occur.

Now, back to the Tundra. I don't care if you like it or don't like it, everyone has the right to their own opinion and as long as it's not totally baseless you need to respect it.

I personally think the front end is rather ugly and that the CrewMax is not needed, but aside from the interior that doesn't belong in a truck, it would appear to have plenty to offer in terms of power and capability.

[balthazar]

how about one reasonable, constructive post instead of more nonsense bashing.

OK- the dark door panels (esp in the rear) in a tan interior look mismatched, and the sporadic silver accents also look like replacement parts- interior needs much more harmonious color matching.

The rear seats folding down on TOP of the seat bottoms greatly reduces the cargo capacity of the rear by uneccesarily raising the cargo floor. It also places unsecured items more inline with the front seat occupants in the event of an impact- not good.

Besides the schizophrenic dash- the rest of the interior looks all right, but as many have mentioned- in this segment toyota cannot simple target the class leaders, it has to surpass them, but this 3rd generation truck still misses the mark simply by bringing nothing new to the segment.

Torque numbers are comparable, but mileage numbers are way off on the volume-level motor.

On a more subjective note- no way in hell would I consider a brand new platform/body/powertrain from a brand new factory from a company that recalls more vehicles in a year than it builds, but that's just crazy ol' me. Also, as a contractor, it might instill a bit more consumer curiousity if I would just once see a tundra towing.... anything, EVER.

[Flybrian]

Let's have some real conversation about the truck......M-KAY...?

This truck is geared towards people who don't use trucks as trucks, rather as vehicles that they think define their masculinity. As someone pointed out in the other thread, this 'CrewMax' has a bed that's several inches shorter than a comparable Silverado Crew Cab and way shorter than last year's Double Cab Tundra.

As Balthazar said, the volume engine falls far short of GM's volume engine in power (down 45hp, 25lb-ft, 1hwy/4city mpg). Even the base V6 is shockingly mediocre compared to the unequivicly ancient 4.3l which still achieves much more torque, which is what counts with a truck.

I'd love to spar more, but I have CTS info to post. And I know more people will read that than this.

[VenSeattle]

Let's have some real conversation about the truck......M-KAY...?

How is the driver suppose to use the navigation screen when in any car interior it would be almost in front of the passenger...

2007 Tundra...

vs.

If this was a Tahoe, The nav-screen would be on top of the middle-right A/C vent:

[Intrepidation]

Constructive posts huh?

Ok I have Zero respect for this truck because:

• It brings nothing new to the segment
• It's volume engine is lackluster compared to GM's
• It's styling is a mishmash of other styles and looks like a Korean knockoff of a Ram, it has no real originality
• If anything it's inspired by the Tacoma (which I actually like), but the Super Size styling doesn't work for this truck.
• In person the Extended Cab is not bad but this is just too much

And finally...

• This is Toyota's 3rd go at the market and they not only haven't brought anything new to the table, they didn't even get it quite right.

Sure, the interior looks pretty nice, but it doesn't look well suited for being a work truck, and even in the truck I sat in, it had that dead button on the dash, which looked horribly cheap.

Nissan got it right on their first try, and brought innovations to the market. The Titan may not be pretty, and it's quality is still lacking, but I can respect Nissan for doing a fine job on their first attempt. I cannot respect Toyota for still screwing up. I suppose they will say 5 years later they did this "on purpose to give the Big 3 a break" like the previous trucks?

Edited January 8, 2007 by Dodgefan

[deftonesfan867]

Constructive posts huh?

Ok I have Zero respect for this truck because:

• It brings nothing new to the segment
• It's volume engine is lackluster compared to GM's
• It's styling is a mishmash of other styles and looks like a Korean knockoff of a Ram, it has no real originality
• If anything it's inspired by the Tacomoa (which I actually like), but the Super Size styling doesn't work for this truck.
• In person the Extended Cab is not bad but this is just too much

And finally...

• This is Toyota's 3rd go at the market and they not only haven't brought anything new to the table, they didn't even get it quite right.

Sure, the interior looks pretty nice, but it doesn't look well suited for being a work truck, and even in the truck I sat in, it had that dead button on the dash, which looked horribly cheap.

Nissan got it right on their first try, and brought innovations to the market. The Titan may not be pretty, and it's quality is still lacking, but I can respect Nissan for doing a fine job on their first attempt. I cannot respect Toyota for still screwing up. I suppose they will say 5 years later they did this "on purpose to give the Big 3 a break" like the previous trucks?

[Satty]

I really dont mind the exterior, its grown on me, although the CrewMax looks rather awkward, just like every other true crew cab truck. The interior doesn't look to be as horrible as some people say it is, but I agree that the nav screen appears to be a bit far away, I'll have to see it in person to know if its actually going to be a PITA for the driver to use. I'm not going to bash it or praise it because it sa Toyota. It will probably sell a lot better than a lot of people on here think, its probably the perfect truck for people who have been driving Camrys .

[regfootball]

i saw a headline for an article on the internet yesterday about this truck. toyota was saying the mpg was not important for this truck. it said, truck buyers don't care.

now toyota's big thing has always been to say they get good mpg. now they don't care. What a bunch of liars.

note how it did not get submitted for M/T TOTY.

production was delayed

basically its toyota's admittance that they did not want to risk it getting directly beat by the chevy, for one

two, they are deflecting all importance of fuel mileage on this thing because they failed in that department

they couldn't build it on time

its ugly.

lastly, it's a toyota, which is reaosn enough to ridicule it. toyota makes a nicely delicate and precise camry but still hasn't figured out trucks, in spite of an enormous try.

anyone who likes this or buys this, er............

Edited January 8, 2007 by regfootball

[enzl]

Blah blah blah. Typical Toyota Hater BS from the peanut gallery.

Let's see a comparison test or two...or how about real world impressions from real people before we damn this thing?

Nah, that only applies to GM products when their buzz is negative. I almost forgot....

With a de-emphasis on Fleet sales, the big 2.5 may go below 50% of the US market next year. Underestimating your competition has already brought Ford and GM to their knees. Underestimating Toyota's resolve to get these types of product right could be the last mistake they make as solvent competitors.

I hope GM & Ford are taking them more seriously than you guys are. (Historical Footnote: Everyone on this board savaged Honda for the Ridgeline...they sold their targeted 50k...can't believe that Toyota will miss projections by much...)

[toyoguy]

yeah but Toyota's 5.7L can't put the torque down low like the Vortec Max

Edited January 8, 2007 by toyoguy

[91z4me]

Hmmm...Looks like they had this thing traveling to/from the Georgetown plant and the Southern Indiana truck plant given its location, it is on I65 headed through Louisville, KY. Interesting to see them showing a picture of the Nav that is in Ford Country, Ford's SD trucks and Explorers are both made in Louisville.

[big blue]

Another view from an Edmunds editor about the Tundra:

Karl on Cars - Edmunds

Their full test seemed pretty positive about it, but even Karl says he would prefer the Silverado's interior to the new Tundra's. Some of those buttons seem hard to reach for smaller people.

[Intrepidation]

Blah blah blah. Typical Toyota Hater BS from the peanut gallery.

Let's see a comparison test or two...or how about real world impressions from real people before we damn this thing?

Nah, that only applies to GM products when their buzz is negative. I almost forgot....

With a de-emphasis on Fleet sales, the big 2.5 may go below 50% of the US market next year. Underestimating your competition has already brought Ford and GM to their knees. Underestimating Toyota's resolve to get these types of product right could be the last mistake they make as solvent competitors.

I hope GM & Ford are taking them more seriously than you guys are. (Historical Footnote: Everyone on this board savaged Honda for the Ridgeline...they sold their targeted 50k...can't believe that Toyota will miss projections by much...)

My dislike for the truck is not a result of Toyota bashing but that it's not original, not quite right (on try #3), and just not that good looking (opinion). The only thing about Honda reaching it's target and Toyota possibly not, is that the Honda wasn't marketed and aimed at the traditional pickup segment. The Tundra is, so it will be scrutinized a lot more since it's being expected to be as good or better than the Big 3. In some ways it may be as good, in some it's a bit better, but it's also worse in others ways...and that may keep Toyota from getting it's projected sales. I could be wrong...this is justs speculation.

Another view from an Edmunds editor about the Tundra:

Karl on Cars - Edmunds

Their full test seemed pretty positive about it, but even Karl says he would prefer the Silverado's interior to the new Tundra's. Some of those buttons seem hard to reach for smaller people.

Except they implied it was "beautiful" What are they smoking over there? You know there's some bias in that review because they ripped the Focus a new one for it's design...which IMO is far better.

[big blue]

Except they implied it was "beautiful" What are they smoking over there? You know there's some bias in that review because they ripped the Focus a new one for it's design...which IMO is far better.

Well like you said, it's your opinion. Personally the new Focus is garbage in my eyes, outside and especially inside. Color me biased too then as I think the new Tundra looks pretty good in certain configurations & trim levels, definitely not in the base form though. Oh and my feelings about the exterior are completely opposite for its interior(ick). Just saw the new Sierra driving around today and thought it's one of the best looking trucks out there. Come on Dodgefan, you know looks are subjective Edited January 8, 2007 by big blue

[regfootball]

Blah blah blah. Typical Toyota Hater BS from the peanut gallery.

Let's see a comparison test or two...or how about real world impressions from real people before we damn this thing?

Nah, that only applies to GM products when their buzz is negative. I almost forgot....

With a de-emphasis on Fleet sales, the big 2.5 may go below 50% of the US market next year. Underestimating your competition has already brought Ford and GM to their knees. Underestimating Toyota's resolve to get these types of product right could be the last mistake they make as solvent competitors.

I hope GM & Ford are taking them more seriously than you guys are. (Historical Footnote: Everyone on this board savaged Honda for the Ridgeline...they sold their targeted 50k...can't believe that Toyota will miss projections by much...)

well, look how many millions bought Milli Vanilli, so it doesn't surprise me that 50,000 would be dumb enough to pop for a Rdigeline.

[regfootball]

will i pull a neck muscle if i turn my head off the gauges to look at the turdra's nav screen? Its pretty far away!

[Intrepidation]

Well like you said, it's your opinion. Personally the new Focus is garbage in my eyes, outside and especially inside. Color me biased too then as I think the new Tundra looks pretty good in certain configurations & trim levels, definitely not in the base form though. Oh and my feelings about the exterior are completely opposite for its interior(ick). Just saw the new Sierra driving around today and thought it's one of the best looking trucks out there. Come on Dodgefan, you know looks are subjective

Yeah, Yeah In person, the Extended Cab shot box (in silver) looks not too shabby...but the other configurations...not so much.

[gm4life]

Nope the interior is NO better than the GMT-900's and the nav is placed well outta site. Also the truck fuel economy is very bad, and Toyota buyers like good mpg. The trucks front in looks smashed in, and also the its a Toyota. I think most people still prefer American trucks. Toyota is just figuring out E85 is taking off... Haha GM has been doing that for trucks/suvs since 2000!

[drew770]

Okay, to tell the truth, I was very nervous about the Tundra's debut.

I for one will never take Toyota for granted and I just knew that Toyota would hit the Full-Size truck market out of the park with the 2007 Tundra.

Well, it is good but no better than the GMT900s or F150s.

Plus, the F150 is new for 2008, so I know Ford will take it to a new level and that is good for the domestic automakers.

The 2007 Tundra's interior is poor which is a surpraise because the previous Tundra's interior was great but I think the exterior is pretty good.

At least Toyota is trying with full-size trucks unlike GM which just decided to dump the minivan market.

[Petra]

I'll reserve judgement until I see it in person on Sunday. However, the Big 3 should definetely take this new Tundra very seriously.

[Polish_Kris]

well, look how many millions bought Milli Vanilli, so it doesn't surprise me that 50,000 would be dumb enough to pop for a Rdigeline.

And you were dumb enough to get a Ford.

Quit your complaining already.

Edited January 9, 2007 by Polish_Kris

[loki]

"Next year, select 2009 Tundra models equipped with the 5.7-liter V8 will offer flexible fuel capability with E85 ethanol."

next year, as in late 08? this model is still coming out as a 2007 (right?) this sentence threw me for a little. just seemed odd to me.

[regfootball]

And you were dumb enough to get a Ford.

Quit your complaining already.

and ford sells what, a million trucks a year compared to honda's measly 50k?

the best thing in life is knowing i don't drive a honda or toyota. i could put an empty pop can on some training wheels and I'd have the same thing.

oh wait, the pop can doesn't rust out.

Edited January 9, 2007 by regfootball

[eldiablobanshee]

No mater how many +'s or -'s this truck has I will say it is almost as good as the GMT900.

After saying that I have to say that I can not give this truck any props when lots of articles

were writen on how Toyota had to delay production and redesign some eliments when they

saw how great the GMT900s were. To think the great TOYOTA saw its target had time to reloud

and this is the best they had. I wonder how bed the original design was.

[The O.C.]

Constructive posts huh?

Ok I have Zero respect for this truck because:

• It brings nothing new to the segment
• It's volume engine is lackluster compared to GM's
• It's styling is a mishmash of other styles and looks like a Korean knockoff of a Ram, it has no real originality
• If anything it's inspired by the Tacoma (which I actually like), but the Super Size styling doesn't work for this truck.
• In person the Extended Cab is not bad but this is just too much

And finally...

• This is Toyota's 3rd go at the market and they not only haven't brought anything new to the table, they didn't even get it quite right.

Sure, the interior looks pretty nice, but it doesn't look well suited for being a work truck, and even in the truck I sat in, it had that dead button on the dash, which looked horribly cheap.

Nissan got it right on their first try, and brought innovations to the market. The Titan may not be pretty, and it's quality is still lacking, but I can respect Nissan for doing a fine job on their first attempt. I cannot respect Toyota for still screwing up. I suppose they will say 5 years later they did this "on purpose to give the Big 3 a break" like the previous trucks?

OK.....just for the sake of argument......

* fine truck as it is, what NEW TO THE SEGMENT did the Silverado bring to the table? Nothing more than Tundra.......

* Tundra's VOLUME engine will be the 5.7L 381hp V8 (60% of production according to Toyota) which TRUMPS GM's "volume" engine.......

* "Styling" is subjective.....not objective.....so let's quit beating that argument to death......

* How is the "upscale" Silverado interior any more "well-suited" to a work truck than Tundra's......???? For that matter, how is Silverado's "work truck" interior any more well suited (other than a bench and column shifter versus Toyota's floor shifter.)

[The O.C.]

i saw a headline for an article on the internet yesterday about this truck. toyota was saying the mpg was not important for this truck. it said, truck buyers don't care.

now toyota's big thing has always been to say they get good mpg. now they don't care. What a bunch of liars.

note how it did not get submitted for M/T TOTY.

production was delayed

basically its toyota's admittance that they did not want to risk it getting directly beat by the chevy, for one

two, they are deflecting all importance of fuel mileage on this thing because they failed in that department

they couldn't build it on time

its ugly.

lastly, it's a toyota, which is reaosn enough to ridicule it. toyota makes a nicely delicate and precise camry but still hasn't figured out trucks, in spite of an enormous try.

anyone who likes this or buys this, er............

And how can you be so sure that IF Tundra WAS in ToTY it would have been beaten by Silverado?

Your post makes no sense and seems pretty mindless.....trying to infer that Toyota delayed production so that they wouldn't have to face Chevy in ToTY? That's ridiculous.......

They decided to delay production until they could release the truck with it's VOLUME (60% of production according to Toyota) 5.7L V8 engine.

[balthazar]

Right: every single toyota press release/public announcement/interview answer is The Complete Unvarnished Truth Devoid of Spin or Agenda. No wonder everything they do is so perfect and wonderful: they said so.

Edited January 10, 2007 by balthazar

[Mr.Krinkle]

And how can you be so sure that IF Tundra WAS in ToTY it would have been beaten by Silverado?

Your post makes no sense and seems pretty mindless.....trying to infer that Toyota delayed production so that they wouldn't have to face Chevy in ToTY? That's ridiculous.......

They decided to delay production until they could release the truck with it's VOLUME (60% of production according to Toyota) 5.7L V8 engine.

no, no, no. Thats not why production was delayed. They didnt want to step on anyones toes.

seriously, why should I buy a toyota truck when I can get a GMC or Chevy who have been building them for the better part of a century if this one does not offer any revolutionary difference? Because of a badge?

I dont think so. Try again. 3 strikes your out only applies to baseball, lets see what they do with this one now.

Although that little filing system is nifty, Im not sold.

[VenSeattle]

O.C., I'm disappointed in you... Since when is 'good enough' or 'just as good as the competition' acceptable to you… especially in one of the most competitive and staunchly loyal markets as this one? The Tundra is the one in catch-up mode and according to recent reviews, Toyota is the one guilty of underestimating GM.

[Northstar]

And how can you be so sure that IF Tundra WAS in ToTY it would have been beaten by Silverado?

Your post makes no sense and seems pretty mindless.....trying to infer that Toyota delayed production so that they wouldn't have to face Chevy in ToTY? That's ridiculous.......

From MT:

Is it as good, or better, than the class-leading Chevy Silverado? An early drive, without the chance to compare them side-by-side indicates that Toyota has been chasing the last Silverado

[toyoguy]

O.C., I'm disappointed in you... Since when is 'good enough' or 'just as good as the competition' acceptable to you… especially in one of the most competitive and staunchly loyal markets as this one? The Tundra is the one in catch-up mode and according to recent reviews, Toyota is the one guilty of underestimating GM.

http://www.cheersandgears.com/forums/index...;hl=motor

Shows the last time I paid attention to MotorTrend.

funny you'd say that.

considering the new Tundra features a 5.7L V8 with more hp/torque than its competitors along with a 6spd auto, 10000lbs+ towing, 13.9in 4piston front/13.6in 2piston rear brakes, it trumps the GMT-800's in major aspects.

[91z4me]

considering the new Tundra features a 5.7L V8 with more hp/torque than its competitors along with a 6spd auto, 10000lbs+ towing, 13.9in 4piston front/13.6in 2piston rear brakes, it trumps the GMT-800's in major aspects.

While the truck may trump the GMT800s it doesn't top the 900s. While the 5.3 and 6.0 V8s are down on power (and paired to the 4 speed auto) the 6.2L V8 6 speed combo found in the GMC Sierra Denali is outpowering even the new Toyota 5.7. It has 403hp and around 401 ft/lbs of torque if I remember correctly. It isn't like GM couldn't up the production of the 6.2 and lower 5.3 or even 6.0 production to make the volume high enough to put the 6.2 in the Silverado as a lower volume engine to stay on tops in power. And lets not forget that there is a SC version of the Gen IV V8s coming in the not to distant future that will easily put whatever GM models it wishes to the top of the power range.

[Northstar]

The 6.2 has 417 lb-ft. Remember that the LS2 is being replaced by the LS3 (car version of the 6.2). I'm guessing it won't be long until the 6.0 in the trucks is replaced by the 6.2.

[sciguy_0504]

From MT:

So after crowning the new Silvy as TOTY and saying that about the Tundra, MT has redeemed intself and is a great magazine now?

[toyoguy]

While the truck may trump the GMT800s it doesn't top the 900s. While the 5.3 and 6.0 V8s are down on power (and paired to the 4 speed auto) the 6.2L V8 6 speed combo found in the GMC Sierra Denali is outpowering even the new Toyota 5.7.

Your comparing a $40k+ niche model to a volume model Tundra. As of now Toyota Tundra's powertrain is superior to the GMT-900's. Pricing still hasn't been announced.

and considering the 13/19mpg the Yukon Denali gets I highly doubt many will be lining up for the 6.2L gas-guzzler.

[toyoguy]

So after crowning the new Silvy as TOTY and saying that about the Tundra, MT has redeemed intself and is a great magazine now?

media is only biased sometimes. I think they aren't biased if a Toyota does poorly or GM does outstanding.