I MUST HAVE THIS CAR!!!

[Sixty8panther]

I am in love!

This is like the coolest obtainable 1930s "survivors" on ebay ever.

LINK ---> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1931-PONTIA...1QQcmdZViewItem

YOU ARE LOOKING AT A VERY SOLID 1931 PONTIAC 2

DOOR SEDAN, IT RUNS AND DRIVES VERY NICELY....

IT HAS HAD A VALVE JOB, AND BRAKES DONE

RECENTLY.... THE TIRES ARE IN LIKE NEW CONDITION,

AND THE SPARE TIRE IS IN THE BACK SEAT, NEW

NEVER BEEN MOUNTED..... OVERALL SHEET METAL IS

RUST FREE, THE BLACK SPOTS WERE JUST RECENTLY

DONE TO PROTECT MINOR SURFACE RUST FROM

GETTING WORSE...... THIS CAR USED TO BE A TAXI

CAB IN ARGENTINA, AFTER BEING BROUGHT BACK

INTO THE STATES, IT HAS HAD VERY LITTLE MILEAGE

ADDED ON..... FRAME IS VERY SOLID, MOTOR RUNS

REAL NICE, CLUTCH, TRANSMISSION, REAR AXLE, AND

FRONT AXLE ARE IN GOOD WORKING CONDITION......

IT HAS A TRANSFERABLE REGISTRATION HERE IN

NEW YORK STATE

------------------ currently the bidding is at $1375

Anyone who wins this auction and buys this car can trade me straight

up for my Super88, no joke. The guy said his reserve is about $7000

but he will not consider trades, he has his eyes set on a 1935 Ford

Business Coupe in Maine and needs to sell this Poncho fast so that he

can buy that car.

[Intrepidation]

I should tell you, there is a car from that era for sale at a used dealership nearby. I have yet to have the time to check it out, but it looks sweet.

[Sixty8panther]

Please do tell me DF.

[ocnblu]

Hmmm... I thought '59 was the first year of the split grille... :AH-HA_wink:

[Flybrian]

Honestly, most low-end cars of this era look alike, much like Japanese cars of the 80s and 90s and none of them look real good. There's a '55 Starchief coupe in decent shape for sale locally for $8000 that's about 1,000,000x more desireable than this.

[Carguy]

((Cool!!))

[Charger4U]

we have a 1929 dodge borthers coupe in our toy trailer

[Sixty8panther]

Honestly, most low-end cars of this era look alike, much like Japanese cars of the 80s and 90s and none of them look real good. There's a '55 Starchief coupe in decent shape for sale locally for $8000 that's about 1,000,000x more desireable than this.

226911[/snapback]

I used to think the EXACT same thing... then I grew up

and had my fun with 60s cars, now I'm ready for the

next step. I learned to appreciate cars beyond speed &

exterior cosmetics.

Regardless of what you thinkof this car, it is a better

investment than any post-WWII non-exotic production

car or truck. I'm falling hard and fast for the cars of

the 1930s... Damn, I'd even love to have a Brass era

car lke the 1909 Packard in my sig.

OR EVEN BETTER:

1912 Metz Roadster. Made right in Waltham

Massachusetts, same town I work in now.

You know your car is FAST if you have

an oversized monacle for a windshield.

[Robert Hall]

Though I can appreciate them at car shows, cars that old seem to me like they would be rather unpleasant to drive...either that, or I'm too used to the creature comforts and reliability of modern cars..

[american_revolution_2005]

Honestly I don't see the beauty in these cars. Earliest ones were prbably the 36 Cord and the 48 Tucker. The 50s to present I can respect much more.

[Robert Hall]

Honestly I don't see the beauty in these cars. Earliest ones were prbably the 36 Cord and the 48 Tucker. The 50s to present I can respect much more.

227013[/snapback]

I've long thought the Tucker was hideous, but as far as the late '30s and '40s, I lthink the '38-40 Fords, the '39-40 Mercurys, the '40-41 Lincoln Continental, the late '30s-early 40s Lincoln Zephyrs, the Cadillac Sixty Special, the Cords, Auburn Boattails, and some Packards were all beautiful cars...

As far as owning an old car for a weekend toy, the oldest I'd probably go is the '60s or early '70s..still modern enough to be drivable in today's traffic.

Edited December 13, 2006 by moltar

[Cory Wolfe]

Honestly, most low-end cars of this era look alike, much like Japanese cars of the 80s and 90s and none of them look real good. There's a '55 Starchief coupe in decent shape for sale locally for $8000 that's about 1,000,000x more desireable than this.

226911[/snapback]

Sixty8, you do realize that if you were to buy this car, you could no longer be critical of Honda and the like without being hypocritical? Please do it, though. I need to have some fun prodding someone.

[ocnblu]

Watch yourself, Sixty4. Viper's 18 and he wants to "prod" someone.

[aaaantoine]

Damn, I'd even love to have a Brass era

car lke the 1909 Packard in my sig.

227007[/snapback]

That photo is so awesome that I had to quote it.

[the_yellow_dart]

Honestly, I don't really "get" any styling until the '60s. The '40s and back seem to be a completely different world for cars that I don't really appreciate, and the '50s were just too gaudy for me.

[Sixty8panther]

Sixty8, you do realize that if you were to buy this car, you could no longer be critical of Honda and the like without being hypocritical? Please do it, though. I need to have some fun prodding someone.

227044[/snapback]

Dude, what the heck are you talking about?

a 1931 Pontiac is EXACTLY in line with my principles:

- RWD

- BOF

- INLINE-6 (bulletproof flathead)

- A+++ in ease of maintenence

- Does NOT blend into traffic

- While every Honda ever made DEPRECIATES this car will always APPRECIATES

Show me one HONDA product from the 1930?

They did not exist as a car manufacturer for

another 3+ decades and therefore do not

enter into the equation to ANY capacity.

Honda did ZERO, nothing, zip, zilch for the

advancement of the Automobile in the days

of the early "horseless carrige". I'm so sick of

the Japanese they have not contributed in the

last 100 years to the advancement fot he car

any more than just GM did in ONE decade like

the 1950s or 1960s.

Ever seen a '36 Toyota AA? A botched abortion

of a chrysler Airflow with showpping cart wheels.

There's a car you can compare to a '31 Poncho.

Gross

here's a 1959 Chevrolet BTW:

Edited December 13, 2006 by Sixty8panther

[Cory Wolfe]

Dude, what the heck are you talking about?

a 1931 Pontiac is EXACTLY in line with my principles:

- RWD

- BOF

- INLINE-6 (bulletproof flathead)

- A+++ in ease of maintenence

- Does NOT blend into traffic

- While every Honda ever made DEPRECIATES this car will always APPRECIATES

Show me one HONDA product from the 1930?

They did not exist as a car manufacturer for

another 3+ decades and therefore do not

enter into the equation to ANY capacity.

Honda did ZERO, nothing, zip, zilch for the

advancement of the Automobile in the days

of the early "horseless carrige". I'm so sick of

the Japanese they have not contributed in the

last 100 years to the advancement fot he car

any more than just GM did in ONE decade like

the 1950s or 1960s.

227134[/snapback]

YES!!! And now for the prodding.

Read Fly's post, then read mine. I was agreeing with him in that cars back then all looked alike. They weren't enthusiast's vehicles. They were simply for making getting from a to be alot easier. Styling was a carriage with an engine connected. Oh wow... Sexy. The few that were more than that, were expensive. It was not until the 40's and 50's that the majority of them were designed for looks. The 20's and 30's? Not so much. The essential equivilant of the Japanese in the 80's and 90's, or the domestics in the 70's and 80's. Sure, there are always a few nice designs, but the majority of them sucked ass. If you're going to disagree; you're a hypocrite. Simple as that.

[Sixty8panther]

I may be a hypocrite but to say that 1990s Hondas

share a commonality with 1930s Pontiacs is just

mind boggling. Yes, in 1931 this car would not jump

out at you cosmetically in traffic but it DOES have

style and you can;t argue with that. In 1931 Pontiac

was an upscale manufactrer, not your Chevrolet or

Plymouth, nevermind the cheap-tastic Fords that

every arm-chair entusiast thinks needs to be made

inot a "rodded", "chopped" & 350-SBC powered car

with cheesy 1990s aftermarket wheels.

Respect your roots, if ti wa not for this car and many

other cars from the 1930s GM would not exist today,

nevermind Pontiac ZETAS.

let's not get into semantics, you think 1930s cars

suck and that's your right... I think they're a great

investment and I appreciate any 1930s non-Ford

that has survived to be seen on the road today still

powered by it's flathead (or valve-in-head-Buick)

motor and manual transmission sans-synchros.

I think 20 years from now when a 1991 or so Honda

Civic with low miles will be a great candadite for a

demolition-derby enduro race (same as my Datsun

is today and your Millenia will be soon despite both

being great vehicles in their day) a mostly original

1931 Pontiac sedan on corker tires will be worth its

weight in Copper if not Gold.

[Cory Wolfe]

I didn't say the vehicles themselves sucked. The styling? Yes, and that's all that I talked about in my post. This is where you let me prod you. You shouldn't do that. You should read more carefully. :wink:

I think 20 years from now when a 1991 or so Honda

Civic with low miles will be a great candadite for a

demolition-derby enduro race (same as my Datsun

is today and your Millenia will be soon despite both

being great vehicles in their day) a mostly original

1931 Pontiac sedan on corker tires will be worth its

weight in Copper if not Gold.

What about 75 years after they were made? Your argument is skewed. You're comparing eventual 10-15 year old products to a 75 year old product. How do you think a 31 Pontiac was treated in the 50's?

[Daryl Z71]

Well that is a nice car, but not my type lol! I always liked the newer cars couldn't get into liking the old ones for some odd reason besides the 69 Charger, and 69 Camaro.

Edited December 13, 2006 by Daryl 83

[Sixty8panther]

I didn't say the vehicles themselves sucked. The styling? Yes, and that's all that I talked about in my post. This is where you let me prod you. You shouldn't do that. You should read more carefully. :wink:

What about 75 years after they were made? Your argument is skewed. You're comparing eventual 10-15 year old products to a 75 year old product. How do you think a 31 Pontiac was treated in the 50's?

227160[/snapback]

Excellent point but i'll most likely be noting

more than a cryogenically frozen head in a

locker at Iron Mountain 75 years from now,

I do however see your point.

One thing though: Per capita MUCh less of

today's cars will survive that long, domestic

or otherwise... modern cars suck in terms

of ease of maintenence and "restoration".

Between the electronics and all the otehr jun

in modern cars they'll be fed to a crusher in

much larger numbers than 30s or 50s stuff

ever was.

[aaaantoine]

Excellent point but i'll most likely be noting

more than a cryogenically frozen head in a

locker at Iron Mountain 75 years from now,

I do however see your point.

One thing though: Per capita MUCh less of

today's cars will survive that long, domestic

or otherwise... modern cars suck in terms

of ease of maintenence and "restoration".

Between the electronics and all the otehr jun

in modern cars they'll be fed to a crusher in

much larger numbers than 30s or 50s stuff

ever was.

227170[/snapback]

Just as different engines and transmissions can be swapped in and out of older cars, so too can different computer components be swapped in and out of modern cars.

Just as long as there is a market for it.

[I hope GMRULES again]

$7000 doesn't seem like a lot to own a piece of history like that

[Sixty8panther]

I'm hoping that he has trouble selling it, it is the winter

after all... and maybe in the spring I can offer him like

$4500 for it and drive it home the entire distance from

the Canada/NY border, through upstate NY, across a

few cool landmarks like river City junction Vermont &

the White Mountains in NH all the way to my house

just east of Lowell, Mass.

Now THAT would be a road trip to remember!

[aaaantoine]

I'm hoping that he has trouble selling it, it is the winter

after all... and maybe in the spring I can offer him like

$4500 for it and drive it home the entire distance from

the Canada/NY border, through upstate NY, across a

few cool landmarks like river City junction Vermont &

the White Mountains in NH all the way to my house

just east of Lowell, Mass.

Now THAT would be a road trip to remember!

227209[/snapback]

If the car can make it that far.

Do you know if all the bits are in place?

[Sixty8panther]

According to the seller it's as close to a daily driver

mechanically as a car of that vintage can get.

There's nothing wrong with 1930s technology, stuff

was made tough as nails back then... if maintained

properlly a car of this vintage can be daily driven...

keeping in mind you can NOT do 75mph on the

highway and tailgate like a soccermom in a Caravan.

I am 100% comfortable and quite happy driving my

Super 88 in modern day traffic, I've been in EVERY

driving situation with that car including a massive

thunderstorm.

This would be more archane and the highway would

be mostly off limits but backroads are more fun with

classics anyways.

[aaaantoine]

If you have that sort of money to spend, I say go for it.

Just don't turn around and pick up a 1880s horse and carriage. Your desire to go back in time scares me a little.

[Sixty8panther]

If you have that sort of money to spend, I say go for it.

Just don't turn around and pick up a 1880s horse and carriage.  Your desire to go back in time scares me a little.

227301[/snapback]

I think the Brass era is wicked cool but that's when a

daily driver becomes very impractical at best...

although Jay Leno does drive his brass era (1912?)

baker electric car all the time, with his wife. It has a

tiller for a steering wheel and top speed is 23 mph but

in L.A. Traffic you will not go any faster anyway.

I probably will never go past 1927 or so but never say

never.... A 1923 T-bucket with a Quad-Turbo 572 is

something I'd love to put together someday.

[Intrepidation]

My girlfriend jokes that she'll get me that old car I told you about as an X-mas gift. That would be one hellofa gift! I need to check it out...

[Sixty8panther]

Is it somewhere in the Merrimack Valley?

I'd love to go check i tout myslef.

[Sixty8panther]

$5500 and reserve not met... Hmmmm.

[Camino LS6]

The market for true antiques is way down, so if you love this era car, now is a good time to buy one.

I see all collector cars as going through cycles in value with the peak coming when the people who admired the car as youngsters are at their most financially secure. For example, the musclecars of the '60s and early '70s are at peak right now because Boomers have the cash and the desire to buy them. I see their prices stabilizing over the next 10 years and then declining at a slow, steady rate thereafter. Cars of the '50s and back (with a few exceptions) have already begun this decline in value.

[Sixty8panther]

Yes... your thory holds true camino but in most cases true classics

will never go past a certain point. Inflation aside, something like a

'69 Camaro or '64 GTO will always be worth its weight in copper.

[SuperSport623]

Yes... your thory holds true camino but in most cases true classics

will never go past a certain point. Inflation aside, something like a

'69 Camaro or '64 GTO will always be worth its weight in copper.

which prices those classics out of the hands of the non-wealthy....

im one of the few kids my generation who loves muscle cars.... and not a honda with neon... but classic muscle cars have risen to the point that the only cars in my price range from the era would be some sort of for door grocery getter 6 cylinder from the 60's....

[MyerShift]

I always thought the Tucker Torpedos (is that the name) were fascinating.

I hear that he actually frightened the Big 3, and that they plotted against him somehow, and shortly after he was shut down.

[K.C.]

I've only been here a short time so I could be wrong, but Sixty8 reminds me of the lady on the block who takes in every stray cat that arrives at her door.

[ocnblu]

Sixty4 reminds you of a lady? :AH-HA_wink:

[SuperSport623]

I always thought the Tucker Torpedos (is that the name) were fascinating.

I hear that he actually frightened the Big 3, and that they plotted against him somehow, and shortly after he was shut down.

There was a movie made about Tucker... it was called Tucker: A man and his dreams... or something of that sort.. ive seen it a few times and its awesome...it tells the whole story and is supposedley very accurate

[Sixty8panther]

I've only been here a short time so I could be wrong, but Sixty8 reminds me of the lady on the block who takes in every stray cat that arrives at her door.

Well... if by that you mean that I go through cars like underwear you would

be 100% correct. Dec. of 2005 my fleet consisted of a 1968 Camaro, 1986

Cadillac F.B., 1997 STS, 1984 Datsun & I was the short term semi-partial

owner of a 1979 Cadillac. There was an ex-demolition derby '83 Volvo 240

in my back yard and I was also I was also storing XP's 1977 Oldsmobile....

(I'm probably forgeting something)

The STS & Datsun are still in my driveway (surprising, esp. the FWD STS)

but the Coupe deVille & Fleetwood Brougham are long gone, the Camaro

is undergoing a much deserved restoration via a new owner from upstate

New York while a 1997 Infiniti & 1964 Oldsmobile provide 90% of my

transportation needs.

Meantime a 1979 Chevrolet pickup, 1987 Mercury & 1988 full-size Blazer

redneck CUCV clone have all come and gone. The Volvo is the only one

I junked... the rest are all with loving owners. Well, except for the poor

old Blazer that is being molested and cut up by its disrespectful owner.

[K.C.]

Sixty4 reminds you of a lady? :AH-HA_wink:

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

And what would you remind me of Mr. Blu?

[K.C.]

Well... if by that you mean that I go through cars like underwear you would

be 100% correct. Dec. of 2005 my fleet consisted of a 1968 Camaro, 1986

Cadillac F.B., 1997 STS, 1984 Datsun & I was the short term semi-partial

owner of a 1979 Cadillac. There was an ex-demolition derby '83 Volvo 240

in my back yard and I was also I was also storing XP's 1977 Oldsmobile....

(I'm probably forgeting something)

The STS & Datsun are still in my driveway (surprising, esp. the FWD STS)

but the Coupe deVille & Fleetwood Brougham are long gone, the Camaro

is undergoing a much deserved restoration via a new owner from upstate

New York while a 1997 Infiniti & 1964 Oldsmobile provide 90% of my

transportation needs.

Meantime a 1979 Chevrolet pickup, 1987 Mercury & 1988 full-size Blazer

redneck CUCV clone have all come and gone. The Volvo is the only one

I junked... the rest are all with loving owners. Well, except for the poor

old Blazer that is being molested and cut up by its disrespectful owner.

======================================================

Wow. Then I am correct. I get it now. Thanks for sharin your car history. Mine is very sordid and dysfunctional, so I'll spare you guys the details.

[Sixty8panther]

K.C. Actually that only makes me more curious. Please DO share!

Have you owned any Duesenbergs? How about a Locomobile Barrel bodied roadster?

[K.C.]

Sixty8, some things are just better left in the closet.

[capriceman]

I agree with 68.

How can you walk past a 1920-1930's car and think ugliness and other horrible thoughts.

http://www.carnut.com/cgi-bin/04/_image.pl...spf/nat1413.jpg

can you tell me what this is? its a 37 Plymouth 2 door sedan. Yes I drove one. You guys are mostly younger and think of handling and speed and streamlineness of a car. You don't think of a 4-40 in the fall going down back roads.

4-40 is 4 windows down at 40 mph.

Thats why i love my caprice I have just enough power to get you in trouble, but you can cruise like no other. take some curvy back roads up north through the forest with the windows rolled down and the heater on low cruising at 30-40. Nothing like it in the world. sure I used to be like you guys floor it around every corner get the tires loose and drift see how fast you can go through the curves. Apex-ing down 21st street. <--- Never do it, I'ts one of the stupidest things you could do!!

21st is a dirt road few people no about around this area thats all dirt and it curves like no other. take a car and go at about 50-80 mph and try to hit the curves like you were racing, while power sliding through them. Yes i did it, and telling you not to do it is very hypocritical, but a lot of us came home with a tree shaped dent in the side of our cars.

I agree we cant live in the past but we have to remember and cherish it.

However, Camino is right the old Model A's are rock bottom, because no one appreciates them any more. no one understands there place in pop culture. They understand the 60's muscle car era and few understand the late 40's to early 60's. The American car is our culture not a transporter and if its your transportation and not apart of your life and your understanding of American culture than why are you not taking the bus?

Edited December 28, 2006 by capriceman

[daves87rs]

I agree with 68.

How can you walk past a 1920-1930's car and think ugliness and other horrible thoughts.

http://www.carnut.com/cgi-bin/04/_image.pl...spf/nat1413.jpg

can you tell me what this is? its a 37 Plymouth 2 door sedan. Yes I drove one. You guys are mostly younger and think of handling and speed and streamlineness of a car. You don't think of a 4-40 in the fall going down back roads.

4-40 is 4 windows down at 40 mph.

Thats why i love my caprice I have just enough power to get you in trouble, but you can cruise like no other. take some curvy back roads up north through the forest with the windows rolled down and the heater on low cruising at 30-40. Nothing like it in the world. sure I used to be like you guys floor it around every corner get the tires loose and drift see how fast you can go through the curves. Apex-ing down 21st street. <--- Never do it, I'ts one of the stupidest things you could do!!

21st is a dirt road few people no about around this area thats all dirt and it curves like no other. take a car and go at about 50-80 mph and try to hit the curves like you were racing, while power sliding through them. Yes i did it, and telling you not to do it is very hypocritical, but a lot of us came home with a tree shaped dent in the side of our cars.

I agree we cant live in the past but we have to remember and cherish it.

However, Camino is right the old Model A's are rock bottom, because no one appreciates them any more. no one understands there place in pop culture. They understand the 60's muscle car era and few understand the late 40's to early 60's. The American car is our culture not a transporter and if its your transportation and not apart of your life and your understanding of American culture than why are you not taking the bus?

Agreed.

Though I liked the 3-50..(two windows and an sunroof)

And backroads are fun in general..

[capriceman]

Agreed.

Though I liked the 3-50..(two windows and an sunroof)

And backroads are fun in general..

a 3-50 is just as good!!

When is Fall again?

[daves87rs]

a 3-50 is just as good!!

When is Fall again?

not soon enough...