Lucerne Beats Avalon-Consumer Reports

[buickguy]

http://www.theautochannel.com/news/2006/11/09/028196.html

[sciguy_0504]

BIAS x2!

[Northstar]

BIAS x2!

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How is this an example of not being bias? If they compared the Avalon to the Lucerne and the Lucerne did everything better and they picked the Avalon, that would be bias. This doesn't have anything to do with CR's opinions.

[AxelTheRed]

Wow...in the last week or so everything's been looking up for GM and Ford...GM especially. My wonder if they're going to fade into the good night is slowly being replaced with optimism. They didn't do fantastic in CR, but its better than what they had been doing.

Edited November 10, 2006 by AxelTheRed

[pow]

Good news!

Edit: Damn, nevermind. This is for reliability, not road test.

Edited November 10, 2006 by empowah

[Flybrian]

Their road test reviews are crap. They test wildly-misequipped cars against each other and devote paragraphs to subjective items. This also changes nothing with the school of thought that the Avalon is still a joke.

[ponchoman49]

Their road test reviews are crap. They test wildly-misequipped cars against each other and devote paragraphs to subjective items. This also changes nothing with the school of thought that the Avalon is still a joke.

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Well said!

[FUTURE_OF_GM]

Ford Fusion on par with Honda Accord & Toyota Camry; Family and small cars predicted to be most reliable overall

YONKERS, NY – Consumer Reports’ latest Annual Car Reliability Survey shows some domestic models have become as reliable as their Japanese competitors, and that as a group, family and small cars have the best predicted reliability. However Asian models continue to be the most reliable overall.

Three of Ford Motor Company’s newest models scored among the top players, with the Ford Fusion and Mercury Milan sedans scoring slightly better than the Honda Accord V6 and Toyota Camry V6. The Lincoln Zephyr also did well, scoring second in predicted reliability to the Lexus ES350, the leader in the upscale cars category. In addition, the Buick Lucerne and Cadillac DTS—both first-year models—scored above average in the large cars category, with the Lucerne scoring higher than the Toyota Avalon. However, the new Dodge Charger scored below average and the Dodge Magnum dropped to below average in predicted reliability.

GO FORD!!! and GO GM!!!

Overall, 39 of the 47 vehicles with the highest predicted reliability scores are Japanese. Just six are domestic models—the Fusion/Milan/Zephyr trio, the Chevrolet Tahoe and GMC Yukon large sport-utility vehicles (SUV), and the Pontiac Vibe wagon. Europe and South Korea each have one model rated most reliable, with the 2006 design Mini Cooper hatchback and the new Hyundai Azera respectively.

Ummm.... Are we GOOD WILLING reliability now?!?! Isn't the Azera too new?

Consumer Reports’ expert team of survey researchers and statisticians

READ: Sedated, deaf and dumb burned out hippie from the 60s who have no common sense.

Among the vehicles predicted to be least reliable by Consumer Reports, a total of eight Mercedes-Benz vehicles made the list, the most for any one brand. These are the S-Class (2006), CLS, E-Class Sedan, SL, CLK, SLK (V6), M-Class, and R-Class. The redesigned M-Class SUV and new R-Class crossover were especially disappointing, with between 129 percent and 202 percent more problems than the average vehicle.

OUCH!!! Especially with the Charger and Magnum plug.

As a group, family and small cars had the best predicted reliability in the survey. In the small car category, the most reliable vehicles are the new Honda Fit and Toyota Yaris,

Once again, aren't these cars too new to accurately gauge reliability?!?!?!

The Chevrolet Cobalt, with 37 percent more problems than the average, scored the lowest among small cars, followed by the Nissan Sentra (2006), the Volkswagen Jetta (5-cyl.) and the Chevrolet Aveo.

Umm, Chevrolet really needs to get the Cobalt under control. I have a feeling it's reputation is becoming damaged (Of course, the rags will perpetuate this... They don't want GM to get a foothold in this segment again) and how 'bout that Aveo???? Isn't it too new to gauge reliability as well?!?!?!?

The new Hyundai Azera tops the large-sedan category, with excellent predicted reliability. The V6 model of the Volkswagen Passat, which was redesigned for 2006, rated above average, while four-cylinder version of the Passat is below average. The BMW 3 Series has average predicted reliability.

Volkswagen+reliability = an oxymoron

The least reliable upscale/large cars are the Jaguar X-Type, Chrysler 300 (V8) and Saab 9-3, in that order. The new Dodge Charger also has subpar reliability.

Not cool... A slew of domestics. Nice dig on the Charger once again. Good thing all these cars sell on looks (Besides the 9-3 which badly needs replaced anyway.)

“CR’s reliability survey suggests that domestic manufacturers are making progress in their push to make more reliable vehicles—though they still have some work to do.

As always.... Good but not good enough... Twist that knife. It's like Father Kennedy telling little John that he'll never be as favored as his military brother.

Among the other findings in New Car Preview 2007:

• Of the 47 Japanese cars that earned Consumer Reports’ Most Reliable rating, 21 (45%) are from Toyota and its Lexus division.

Really reinforces the bias..

Honda and its Acura division had 11 (23%) models on the list.

Yet again, limited reader base. C'mon... When almost 70% of your list comes from only 2 manufacturers, somethings wrong or you have a very like-minded reader base.

Six domestic models made the list, three (6.5%) from Ford and three (6.5%) from GM.

Had to throw the old dogs a bone.

• Of the 45 cars that are on Consumer Reports’ Least Reliable list, five (11%) are Japanese, all from Nissan and its Infiniti division, specifically the Nissan Titan, Nissan Armada, Infiniti QX56, Nissan Sentra and Nissan Quest.

YOU SUCK!

All but the Sentra are built in Nissan’s Canton, Miss. plant.

Just had to throw that in there... "Nissan you'd be okay if you didn't contribute so much to the U.S. economy."

A total of 20 (44%) are domestic, with 12 (27%) from GM, five (11%) from Ford and three (7%) from the Chrysler Group.

What a surprise, the inverse of the asians on the other list.

European models from Mercedes-Benz, Jaguar, Porsche, BMW, Volvo, Saab and Land Rover fill 19 (42%) spots.

So, according to this, domestics are statistically the LEAST reliable cars once again?!?!?!

• Though they still make up a minority of most reliable vehicles, CR’s data shows that domestic models are improving. For example, the number of domestic vehicles on this year’s Most Reliable list is up from two to six. The number of Least Reliable domestic models fell to 17, from 21. Twelve models are newly recommended, up from 10.

Funny how all those numbers are so complimentary.

Like last year, the most reliable SUVs still come from Japanese automakers,

Of course, it's the market that the asians are currently trying to acquire. Next will be trucks and we'll be reading this same paragraph.

Among small SUVs, the new Toyota FJ Cruiser scored the best, followed by the Honda Element and the four-cylinder version of the redesigned Toyota RAV4.

What a surprise... The "trendy" ones that are supposed to appeal to the young' uns on college campuses. The same IDIOTS that will be reading this magazine.

Hybrids, too, continued to have impressive reliability,

So, Japan Inc. can get hybrids right, yet the brits can't make good electronics.

though the Ford Escape Hybrid dropped from above average to average.

This year, Consumer Reports tested a number of sports cars, including the Porsche 911 Carrera S, which was top-rated by CR for its performance—but is among the least reliable sports cars along with several Mercedes, the Chevrolet Corvette, and the Ford Mustang V6. The redesigned 2006 Mazda Miata is only average, while Pontiac’s new Solstice roadster is far below average.

Note to CR DON'T F****N' TEST SPORTS CARS!!!!!!

As for minivans, the Toyota Sienna continues to be the only minivan with above-average predicted reliability.

Cute.

With pickups, the Toyota Tundra V6 and the Subaru Baja are the only pickups with much-better-than-average reliability.

The seeds are planted for a Tundra sweep!!! Look for predicted EXCEPTIONAL reliability the day that the new Tundra debuts.

Honda’s Ridgeline has only average reliability in its first full year on the road.

*GASP!!!!!* What?!?!?! But I thought it was the CR golden child of choice last year because it could climb a pile of rocks on their "rigorous" off road facility. All the while efficiently hauling a dead homeless guy in the REVOLUTIONARY car-like locking trunk.

The Cadillac Escalade EXT (prior to its 2007 redesign)

Yet again, damning the new model because of the sins of the out-of-production model... Domestic trucks=bad reliability automatically I guess, in the new push to elevate Japan Inc.

Conducted by Consumer Reports’ National Research Center, the Annual Car Reliability Survey is used in determining which makes and models are recommended by the organization. Consumer Reports recommends only models that have performed well in tests conducted at its Auto Test Center in Connecticut and that have shown average or better reliability in its annual survey. In addition, vehicles must perform well in government or insurance-industry crash and rollover tests in order to be recommended. Occasionally, Consumer Reports may recommend a new or redesigned model that’s too new to have compiled a reliability record if it scores well in CR’s tests and if previous generations or the manufacturer had consistently outstanding reliability.

I like the "If your an okay dude, we'll reccommend you anyway" claus. Really lend itself to credibility...

Consumer Reports is one of the most trusted sources for information and advice on consumer products and services.

Yep, for yuppie sheep.

It conducts the most comprehensive auto-test program of any U.S. publication or Website;

That's not saying much in this country.

the magazine’s auto experts have decades of experience in driving, testing, reporting on cars.

And being complete douchebags!!!

[Polish_Kris]

GO FORD!!! and GO GM!!!

Ummm.... Are we GOOD WILLING reliability now?!?! Isn't the Azera too new?

READ: Sedated, deaf and dumb burned out hippie from the 60s who have no common sense.

OUCH!!! Especially with the Charger and Magnum plug.

Once again, aren't these cars too new to accurately gauge reliability?!?!?!

Umm, Chevrolet really needs to get the Cobalt under control. I have a feeling it's reputation is becoming damaged (Of course, the rags will perpetuate this... They don't want GM to get a foothold in this segment again) and how 'bout that Aveo???? Isn't it too new to gauge reliability as well?!?!?!?

Volkswagen+reliability = an oxymoron

Not cool... A slew of domestics. Nice dig on the Charger once again. Good thing all these cars sell on looks (Besides the 9-3 which badly needs replaced anyway.)

As always.... Good but not good enough... Twist that knife. It's like Father Kennedy telling little John that he'll never be as favored as his military brother.

Among the other findings in New Car Preview 2007:

Really reinforces the bias..

Honda and its Acura division had 11 (23%) models on the list.

Yet again, limited reader base. C'mon... When almost 70% of your list comes from only 2 manufacturers, somethings wrong or you have a very like-minded reader base.

Had to throw the old dogs a bone.

YOU SUCK!

Just had to throw that in there... "Nissan you'd be okay if you didn't contribute so much to the U.S. economy."

What a surprise, the inverse of the asians on the other list.

So, according to this, domestics are statistically the LEAST reliable cars once again?!?!?!

Funny how all those numbers are so complimentary.

Of course, it's the market that the asians are currently trying to acquire. Next will be trucks and we'll be reading this same paragraph.

What a surprise... The "trendy" ones that are supposed to appeal to the young' uns on college campuses. The same IDIOTS that will be reading this magazine.

So, Japan Inc. can get hybrids right, yet the brits can't make good electronics.

Note to CR DON'T F****N' TEST SPORTS CARS!!!!!!

Cute.

The seeds are planted for a Tundra sweep!!! Look for predicted EXCEPTIONAL reliability the day that the new Tundra debuts.

*GASP!!!!!* What?!?!?! But I thought it was the CR golden child of choice last year because it could climb a pile of rocks on their "rigorous" off road facility. All the while efficiently hauling a dead homeless guy in the REVOLUTIONARY car-like locking trunk.

Yet again, damning the new model because of the sins of the out-of-production model... Domestic trucks=bad reliability automatically I guess, in the new push to elevate Japan Inc.

I like the "If your an okay dude, we'll reccommend you anyway" claus. Really lend itself to credibility...

Yep, for yuppie sheep.

That's not saying much in this country.

And being complete douchebags!!!

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You have allot of time on your hands.

Edited December 21, 2006 by Polish_Kris