Hypocrisy and Irony all rolled into one!

[Chris_Doane]

Boy oh boy....

"It's vile," said Rep. Mark Foley, R-West Palm Beach. "It's more sad than anything else, to see someone with such potential throw it all down the drain because of a sexual addiction."

-Republican Mark Foley to the St. Petersburg Times on Clinton/Lewinsky, 9/12/98

http://www.sptimes.com/Worldandnation/9129...es_through.html

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The FBI is assessing whether former Rep. Mark Foley broke any laws when he sent sexually explicit e-mails to a male teen-age congressional page and leaders of both parties demanded full-scale investigations into another untimely scandal for the Republicans....Foley, 52, a six-term Florida Republican, resigned on Friday after ABC News reported he sent messages containing references to sexual organs and acts to current and former congressional pages.

-Reuters, 10/1/06

http://today.reuters.com/news/articlenews....-politicsNews-3

Edited October 2, 2006 by CD/BP

[FAPTurbo]

:rotflmao:

That deal is getting some play up here in Canada, because up here in Canada, there isn't much news to report, save the fact that Ice Fishing is declining in popularity, and the cancellation of Terrance & Philip has devastated Nova Scotia's economy.

[Croc]

wait...is Terrance & Philip real? I thought it was just on Southpark...???

[bobo]

From the family values crowd. It's hilarious and disturbing at the same time.

[Flybrian]

Nutjob.

[Chris_Doane]

Here is one of his instant messages!!

http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/BrianRoss/story?id=2509586&page=1

[Drew Dowdell]

Whew, my user name is Xxxxxxxx, disaster averted.

[Croc]

         

Here is one of his instant messages!!

http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/BrianRoss/story?id=2509586&page=1

200425[/snapback]

Yea that's pretty nuts

[Flybrian]

Holy crap. This could be a transcript of a chat between Ocn and BV!

j/k!

Sorta.

[ocnblu]

Ew, no. Viper's a little bro, not a sex thing. I wasn't going to even respond to this because of the political ramifications, but now that my name has been brought up... :AH-HA_wink:

The dude should be dealt with, but no more harshly than if it were male on underage female harrassment. Either way, it's just not right. Any of his colleagues who let this go on knowingly should also be held accountable.

[Chris_Doane]

So now Foley entered alcohol rehab....

Wanda Sykes just said it best on Leno.

"Alcohol will make you fat, alcohol will make you date ugly girls...but alcohol will not make you a pedophile!"

Sounds like he's running the classic Hollywood scandal playbook. Blame it on alcohol so it doesn't sound as bad.

Edited October 3, 2006 by CD/BP

[Drew Dowdell]

So now Foley entered Scientology alcohol rehab....

Wanda Sykes just said it best on Leno.

"Alcohol will make you fat, alcohol will make you date ugly girls...but alcohol will not make you a pedophile!"

Sounds like he's running the classic Hollywood scandal playbook. Blame it on alcohol so it doesn't sound as bad.

200760[/snapback]

Linkity

[Flybrian]

Has it entered anyone's mind that Congressman Foley's House district encompasses West Palm Beach?

Middle-aged man...

Closeted...

Like chatting online with young boys...

Perverted in nature...

Hmmmammmrmmmrmmmymmm...

[Guest YellowJacket894]

:rotflmao:

What I find disturbing to me is the following statement . . .

The FBI is assessing whether former Rep. Mark Foley broke any laws when he sent sexually explicit e-mails to a male teen-age congressional page . . .

Does "Sexual Harrasment" ring a bell to the FBI?

And the man is a Scientologist? Damn. This man is a creepy and very gulliable old bastard.

Maybe he thought that Mr. Hubbard would finally take him to space if he made himself known as a pedophile? (That's one thing they both have in common, pedophilia. The fact both are pathedic is a given.)

Edited October 3, 2006 by YellowJacket894

[Mr.Krinkle]

the irony is he broke some of the same laws that he helped to write or at least pass.

Edited October 3, 2006 by Mr.Krinkle

[ocnblu]

Ugh, Scientology, eh? Is it true, L Ron Hubbard perved on kids? That makes me hate Tom Cruise even more.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but if the kid is 16, the predator is not exactly a pedophile, correct? Isn't there an age cutoff per the definition of the term? Yes, of course it is sick and wrong for the congressman to have done this, but I think there is a different technical term for this type of predation on a child of this age.

In the transcript, the kid should have just logged off much sooner. He stayed engaged in the conversation far too long, imo. At 16 years old, he should have enough maturity to realize what was happening and simply cut the old perv off.

[Mr.Krinkle]

yeah, hang up on the congressman. good move. how can you even seriously begin to attempt to even blame a minor. 16 yrs old.

[Flybrian]

Foley should've known better. That's cut-and-dry and everyone knows it. But to think the kid was totally innocent? I don't think so. Teenagers can indeed be manipulative and if he really didn't like it, he could've logged off.

[Guest YellowJacket894]

Ugh, Scientology, eh?  Is it true, L Ron Hubbard perved on kids?  That makes me hate Tom Cruise even more.

That's what I've read and the sources had some credibility.

Hubbard was such a pathedic waste of human life, no matter how you put it. He couldn't write for $h!, and because he was a piss-poor son of a whore and he couldn't earn one red cent from the drivel he wrote, he had to think up some nut-job money scheme disguised as religion. And what pisses me off even more is that a big group of dumbf@#ks actually believe it, they actually believe that the man is a martyr.

Then you have the same group of dip$h!s that kill people that oppose Scientology. No kidding. And, from what I gather, once you're in, you're in. You try to get out and succed in doing so, and they've got your head marked.

It's a pile of bull$h!. If one person from recent times deserves to burn in any sense of hell, it's Hubbard.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but if the kid is 16, the predator is not exactly a pedophile, correct?  Isn't there an age cutoff per the definition of the term?  Yes, of course it is sick and wrong for the congressman to have done this, but I think there is a different technical term for this type of predation on a child of this age.

[snaps fingers.] It's Statutory Rape.

In the transcript, the kid should have just logged off much sooner.  He stayed engaged in the conversation far too long, imo.  At 16 years old, he should have enough maturity to realize what was happening and simply cut the old perv off.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but in cases of Statutory Rape it doesn't matter if contact between two people had been made or if the person was willfully consenting, if the person is underage, the parents can have the person who committed the crime arrested.

[Mr.Krinkle]

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but if the kid is 16, the predator is not exactly a pedophile, correct?  Isn't there an age cutoff per the definition of the term?  .

200949[/snapback]

unless he gets the kids parents permission first. its questionable no matter how you slice it. its really splitting a hair--of which youd probably find none on thi---nevermind

[ocnblu]

At the first sign of inappropriate questions, in this day and age of enlightenment, a 16 year old kid should have known what was going on and simply did what he finally did at the end of this lengthy conversation... "I gotta go." And shut off the computer. Instead, he answered painfully personal questions over a period of minutes that are totally off the radar of propriety.

Foley needs to be punished, he's the one with the problem, but that kid naively enabled him in a way. The whole thing just smells bad. And why is it just now coming out, with crucial elections next month. Did someone sit on this until the time was right?

[Chris_Doane]

The weirder thing is....if you read the IM....the kid doesnt really seem to mind what Foley is saying to him. Sure you dont want piss off your boss who is a pretty powerful guy.....but.....c'mon!

[Croc]

Maybe the kid was excited by the advancements andwent along with it for the thrill. Girls seduced by teachers have done this before...

Maybe he was questioning his sexuality at the time.

Maybe he still is.

Maybe he's way in the closet.

Maybe he's bi or gay.

Maybe he was afraid of the repercussions of pissing his boss off.

DOES IT REALLY MATTER? NO!

I really fail to see where these trains of thought are going as it seems to be blaming the victim and making excuses for Foley.

Whatever the reason the kid didn't seem bothered, didn't log off sooner, whatever...

WHAT FOLEY DID WAS DEAD WRONG!

Personally, I think the weirdest thing is this "cast fetish" but hey whatever floats his boat...

Edited October 4, 2006 by Croc

[Cory Wolfe]

Weird...

[Chris_Doane]

Im not blaming the kid there Crocy.

If I was 16, and an old dude was talking to me like that....Id find it more than a little odd. Hell I would find it odd NOW if an old dude tried to talk to me like that.

But yea....cast fetish? That's a new one on me. I bet there isnt even a porn site for that. Yet...

Edited October 4, 2006 by CD/BP

[FAPTurbo]

But yea....cast fetish? That's a new one on me. I bet there isnt even a porn site for that. Yet...

201113[/snapback]

Hate to break it to you CD... but there are websites devoted to cast fetishes... All it took was a "cast fetish" into Google's search line...

Sad...Sad...Sad... And Funny!!!.... and very sad...

[Chris_Doane]

Hate to break it to you CD... but there are websites devoted to cast fetishes... All it took was a "cast fetish" into Google's search line...

Sad...Sad...Sad... And Funny!!!.... and very sad...

201117[/snapback]

Hah....well...you know. I was afraid to look. Guess Im not surprised.

[Cory Wolfe]

Cast... as in medical cast??

[Croc]

Im not blaming the kid there Crocy.

201113[/snapback]

dude no worries my post was more in response to ocn's than yours...you only got referenced by the cast fetish line :AH-HA_wink:

[Croc]

Cast... as in medical cast??

201133[/snapback]

yea like this (googled "cast fetish"...first site:

Yea...that really turns me on...

Edited October 4, 2006 by Croc

[Satty]

Wow...pedophilia....cast feishes...and I wasn't involved? Where is the love for good, old-fashioned sodomy?

[Croc]

Wow...pedophilia....cast feishes...and I wasn't involved?  Where is the love for good, old-fashioned sodomy?

201147[/snapback]

Oh they prolly just haven't found those IMs yet...

[ocnblu]

Oh hell. Croc, let me try to be clearer on this. Mark Foley had no goddamned business even contacting pages after work hours, let alone pressing them with these kind of questions. All I'm saying is, that boy had the upper hand in that situation, and he chose to give up that power (logging off at any moment, with any excuse) and play along. Not smart, and at age 16 in 2006, he should have had the wherewithal to understand what he was doing was feeding a creep's fantasies.

Are pages assigned to specific congressmen? Was this page under Foley's command? I'm not sure how the page system works, but stupid kids usually don't even apply to go. They have to be interested in the political process, and they have to show at least a modicum of awareness. A girl in my class that was chosen to go went on to be our Valedictorian.

Question: how did Foley even get the kid's home internet contact information?

Edited October 4, 2006 by ocnblu

[Croc]

All I'm saying is, that boy had the upper hand in that situation, and he chose to give up that power (logging off at any moment, with any excuse) and play along.

201153[/snapback]

See I disagree. This conversation clearly wasn't the first one he had with Foley, and it certainly wasn't the second either. This had been going on for a while...if Foley had been making these advances for a while...the kid prolly just went along with it since it wasn't going to stop in his mind and would be easier for him as a page because:

Are pages assigned to specific congressmen?  Was this page under Foley's command?

201153[/snapback]

Yes. Specific Congresspeople. He was Foley's personal gofer for however long the program was (a summer? semester?) Either way, it was a long enough time that honestly the kids (since it was more than one submitting these IMs and this happened more than with one kid) prolly just went with it after a while so they'd get the recommendation and just not deal/stress about it. That's my guess at least. The guy had the power, they didn't, they wanted the recommendation, so instead of giving static they just went along with it/ignored it. When reading those IMs I interpreted the multiple "lol" occurrences (especially when nothing was funny) as nervous laughter. Again, I could be wrong...but I don't know anyone who uses an "lol" in almost every IM.

[ocnblu]

My boss doesn't have my email address, or my IM address, or any of that.

[Croc]

I guarantee they had to give out their email for the program, and his AIM screen name was prolly the same as his email. most teens still have their old AOL s/ns

[ocnblu]

And Foley took advantage of this contact information. Any contact between a US congressman and a page out of the office is inappropriate, imo.

[Cory Wolfe]

When reading those IMs I interpreted the multiple "lol" occurrences (especially when nothing was funny) as nervous laughter.  Again, I could be wrong...but I don't know anyone who uses an "lol" in almost every IM.

201154[/snapback]

Well, I certainly do. Reading through that conversation, that isn't the worst I've seen. Hell, I think I've used "heh" in a similarly themed conversation (without the pervertion, obviously) more than what "lol" was used. Just saying...

As for the fetish. f@#king weird.