The Political Correctness Thread

[tama z71]

What say yins?

[Fijian]

why did the mexican girl get pregnant? her teacher told her to go do an essay - i am carlos mencia :CG_all: Edited September 15, 2005 by Fijian

[Satty]

Political correctness is gay.

[VenSeattle]

I think people need to develop a thicker skin and accept getting offended from time to time. Just because you get offended doesn't mean someone was insensitive or intrusive. Getting offended can indicate you have quirky hang-ups and something legitimately wrong with your personality that might require therapy/counseling.

[Cory Wolfe]

"Everyone needs to pull the cork out of their ass and acknowledge reality in daily rhetoric." And deal with it. Oversensitive wussies.

[sciguy_0504]

People suing everyone because they're "offended" with what they said or did. AHHHHHHH!

[Mach5GTP]

- i am carlos mencia

[post="14738"]<{POST_SNAPBACK}>[/post]

Who is that? Is that like being Keyser Soze? :unsure:

[tama z71]

Who is that?  Is that like being Keyser Soze? :unsure:

[post="14801"]<{POST_SNAPBACK}>[/post]

Keyser Soze? I dont know who that is. But Mencia just got his own show on Comedy Central where political incorrectness is the whole plot. He does a lot of stand up too, and its some of the funniest stuff ive ever heard.

[CARBIZ]

If you can't laugh at yourself then you must be a very unhappy person. I am sick of celebrating diversity! Let's celebrate what makes us the same! Political correctness comes from the same cancer that is spreading the Victim Society or Blame Someone Else Because I AM a Loser brand of thinking. And don't get me started on stereotypes! All stereotypes have a kernel of truth at their center. They may end up being distorted or exaggerated by time, but there is some truth. Besides: I am gay and I know more gay jokes than most people. My ex from a long time ago was black (well, he is still actually black, but he was my boyfriend - ah, nevery mind!) and he used to call his mother the N-word. (Probably still does!) Politcially correct my ass!

[AM6_Cutlass]

Political corectess is overrated. the way I see it, no matter what nationality, race, sex, sexual orientation you are... or physical features you do/don't posess there is a joke about you somewhere. I think people are way too uptight and need to lighten up about life in general and be able to laugh at themselves sometimes.

[Fijian]

.... and its some of the funniest stuff ive ever heard.

[post="14810"]<{POST_SNAPBACK}>[/post]

im with you on that one :lol:

[mute]

political correctness is bullshit plain and simple, i beleive in being approprite and polite but i never consider what i feel is acceptable in society into the picture and who voted for not enough, why do you say that? id like to hear your reasoning too? Edited September 15, 2005 by mute

[bowtie_dude]

I'm politically correct because I have this thing about being punched in the face.

[Croc]

^^ What he said ^^ Being PC has a lot to do with having manners. You can say the same thing multiple ways, but usually there is a rude way of going about it and a much more diplomatic way of going about it. For example, there is a very large girl I know, but when I am describing her to people, she has a "dominating figure" accompanied with a gesture that makes the point clear. Yes, she's fat, but she's also a very good friend. Homophobic slurs are unacceptable. Using "gay" in that manner is just wrong. There is nothing wrong with someone being gay, so why attatch negative connotations to the word "gay"? I don't get it and would rather err on the side of NOT hurting someone's feelings and pissing them off by using a word like "weird," "dumb," "strange," or "stupid" in its place. As for the black man saying the N-word...that's his prerogative, and I doubt he will offend many black people using it, but I still disagree with that. Ugly words like that need to die. It is a terrible, hateful word. Yes, some people really need to grow some thicker skin, and that is why I am against all those damned lawsuits over everything because that is just such an extreme and unnecessary overreaction. Those just escalate things. If someone gets offended with something, then just avoid the person and don't spend time with them and let them know they are engaging in boorish behavior. But don't fly off the handle and sue them. Although some people do need to grow thicker skin, others could be a little more sensitive (is it really that hard to not use certain words?) and avoid the issue altogether.

[Flybrian]

An example P.C. gone made is when a bunch of disabled people publically chided Jerry Lewis for using the term 'crippled.' A man who dedicated his life to the treatment of muscular dystrophy gets bitched at for using an accurate term. Get over yourselves, people. I think people get more bent out of shape than necessary over words not realizing that words themselves can't hurt, but the meaning behind them does. They use political correctness to shield them from the truth of their circumstances - 'differently abled' instead of crippled or disabled; 'mentally challenged' instead of retarded. These are words that are perfectly acceptable in everyday speech but somehow their use to describe someone's condition is unacceptable? Its doesn't change who they are or how certain people will view them and adds a masking aire of disingenuousness to the situation. I must take this moment for a personal rant against hyphen-Americans. I do feel the terms are incorrect and inaccurate. I give you this example: Who is more 'African-American' of the following? 1) A black man born, raised, and living in the USA. 2) An Egyptian man born in Egypt, but raised in the USA. 3) A white man born, raised, and lived most of his life in South Africa but is now residing in the USA. The problem I have with the term African-American is that if the qualifier for its usage is still 'being black', then why use the term at all? I would also argue it ignores the fact that the culture of an American black man and that of an African black man are quite different. No offense meant, of course; just my POV.

[Drew Dowdell]

Political correctness is gay.

[post="14740"]<{POST_SNAPBACK}>[/post]

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[Drew Dowdell]

I must take this moment for a personal rant against hyphen-Americans. I do feel the terms are incorrect and inaccurate. I give you this example: Who is more 'African-American' of the following?
1) A black man born, raised, and living in the USA.
2) An Egyptian man born in Egypt, but raised in the USA.
3) A white man born, raised, and lived most of his life in South Africa but is now residing in the USA.
The problem I have with the term African-American is that if the qualifier for its usage is still 'being black', then why use the term at all? I would also argue it ignores the fact that the culture of an American black man and that of an African black man are quite different.

No offense meant, of course; just my POV.

[post="14857"]<{POST_SNAPBACK}>[/post]

I work in a company that has no black employees in the offices. We have one girl who is from South Africa. We call her african-american all the time...... but she's cool with the joke.

[tama z71]

^^ What he said ^^

Being PC has a lot to do with having manners.  You can say the same thing multiple ways, but usually there is a rude way of going about it and a much more diplomatic way of going about it.  For example, there is a very large girl I know, but when I am describing her to people, she has a "dominating figure" accompanied with a gesture that makes the point clear.  Yes, she's fat, but she's also a very good friend.

Homophobic slurs are unacceptable.  Using "gay" in that manner is just wrong.  There is nothing wrong with someone being gay, so why attatch negative connotations to the word "gay"?  I don't get it and would rather err on the side of NOT hurting someone's feelings and pissing them off by using a word like "weird," "dumb," "strange," or "stupid" in its place.

As for the black man saying the N-word...that's his prerogative, and I doubt he will offend many black people using it, but I still disagree with that.  Ugly words like that need to die.  It is a terrible, hateful word.

Yes, some people really need to grow some thicker skin, and that is why I am against all those damned lawsuits over everything  because that is just such an extreme and unnecessary overreaction.  Those just escalate things.  If someone gets offended with something, then just avoid the person and don't spend time with them and let them know they are engaging in boorish behavior.  But don't fly off the handle and sue them.  Although some people do need to grow thicker skin, others could be a little more sensitive (is it really that hard to not use certain words?) and avoid the issue altogether.

[post="14852"]<{POST_SNAPBACK}>[/post]

dominating figure? thats the stuff im talking about here. just say fat. if youre a fat person and it offends you, lose weight or quit whining. there are times to be tactful (like NEVER using the n word), but then there are times to just brush things off, ESPECIALLY something so minor as to call someone fat.

[razoredge]

F political correctness, its bogus, it was aimed at straight white people while the rest were allowed to openly steriotype and degrade straight white people. I believe in being respectful until mutual respect has been violated, then its, get what you give. Im sick of this bleeding heart liberal yuppy BS. try if you can to imagine this world if it was built by these standards ??????? well I guess it never would have been built, they would still be bickering like a bunch of bitty bitches, inbetween snivels, and the first move would still not have been made. It took iron to get where mankind is today, there was no political correctness wimpy ass bullshit getting the job done.

[tama z71]

F political correctness, its bogus, it was aimed at  straight white people while the rest were allowed to openly steriotype and degrade straight white people.

I believe in being respectful until mutual respect has been violated, then its, get what you give.

Im sick of this bleeding heart liberal yuppy BS. try if you can to imagine this world if it was built by these standards ??????? well I guess it never would have been built, they would still be bickering like a bunch of bitty bitches, inbetween snivels, and the first move would still not have been made.

It took iron to get where mankind is today, there was no political correctness wimpy ass bullshit getting the job done.

[post="14878"]<{POST_SNAPBACK}>[/post]

:cheers:

[sciguy_0504]

Double standards irritate the hell out of me, too.

[ocnblu]

Fuck 'em if they can't take a joke. <_< :)

[Croc]

dominating figure?  thats the stuff im talking about here.  just say fat.  if youre a fat person and it offends you, lose weight or quit whining.  there are times to be tactful (like NEVER using the n word), but then there are times to just brush things off, ESPECIALLY something so minor as to call someone fat.

[post="14877"]<{POST_SNAPBACK}>[/post]

Well, since you know so much about my friend and her weight problem, then you are well aware that she is the size she is because she has a rare disorder that gives her an allergy to phenylalanine causing her to swell up and retain a crazy amount of water while simultaneously slowing her metabolism, right? So it doesn't really matter that even though she runs and bikes miles a day, eats a restricted calorie diet, and lives a healthier lifestyle than the vast majority of people do, she needs to just "lose the weight"? OK Dr. Jackass...

How is refraining from using the N-word "tactful"? That isn't really an issue of diplomacy or tact, it seems like an issue of basic human decency.

I do take issue with saying "fat" is a minor thing. It is a very visible thing, and no more minor than anyone's physical imperfections. Overweight people are treated as lazy slobs with no self-control in society, and I really do not think this is a minor thing...it really is a whole category of prejudice.

[Drew Dowdell]

I like to sometimes live dangerously. I told a very pregnent woman at work that the most dangerous place in the company is between her and the buffet.

[Flybrian]

Fuck 'em if they can't take a joke. <_<  :)

[post="14889"]<{POST_SNAPBACK}>[/post]

So, that's why there are so many lil' Blus running around...

Manwhore.

[pow]

An example P.C. gone made is when a bunch of disabled people publically chided Jerry Lewis for using the term 'crippled.' A man who dedicated his life to the treatment of muscular dystrophy gets bitched at for using an accurate term. Get over yourselves, people.

I think people get more bent out of shape than necessary over words not realizing that words themselves can't hurt, but the meaning behind them does. They use political correctness to shield them from the truth of their circumstances - 'differently abled' instead of crippled or disabled; 'mentally challenged' instead of retarded. These are words that are perfectly acceptable in everyday speech but somehow their use to describe someone's condition is unacceptable? Its doesn't change who they are or how certain people will view them and adds a masking aire of disingenuousness to the situation.

I must take this moment for a personal rant against hyphen-Americans. I do feel the terms are incorrect and inaccurate. I give you this example: Who is more 'African-American' of the following?
1) A black man born, raised, and living in the USA.
2) An Egyptian man born in Egypt, but raised in the USA.
3) A white man born, raised, and lived most of his life in South Africa but is now residing in the USA.
The problem I have with the term African-American is that if the qualifier for its usage is still 'being black', then why use the term at all? I would also argue it ignores the fact that the culture of an American black man and that of an African black man are quite different.

No offense meant, of course; just my POV.

[post="14857"]<{POST_SNAPBACK}>[/post]

#1 and #2 are both African-American; AFAIK, Egypt is an African country. #3 would be an American-African. But aside from that, "African-American" works because it distinguishes African-Americans and their culture from Africans.

Another thing on my mind is the word "third-world country", which was coined during the Cold War to describe developing nations aligned with neither the "Free world" or the communist bloc. Since then, its connotation has been severely downgraded, and many developing countries don't exhibit the supposed traits of a "third-world" country. I think politically correctness is appropriate in this manner... when the word has been so misused that it justifiable to stop using it.

The question probably isn't why, but why not?

[Sixty8panther]

I voted: "The current amount infringes on my right to freedom of speech." Just this past weekend I was talking to a really cool black dude. He was a real character. I befriended him at an all day "driving school" event. He drives a black Lincoln LS (V6 wiht a paxton blower and 5-speed) He says he pulled up to a light the other day and the dude behind the wheel of the car next to him is also driving an LS. He gives "Lucky" a dirty look as if: "What's this balck kid doign wiht a new Lincoln?" and Lucky (the black kid) rolls his window down and yells: "What a black guy can't drive a Lincoln? I got mine at the "black store" it was 50% off" And laughs if off wiht a smile.

[ocnblu]

Fly, whatchoo talkin' about, Willis? I'm a very good boy, even though I haven't been with my friend for going on two weeks now... :blink: :(

[Cremazie]

Fly, whatchoo talkin' about, Willis?  I'm a very good boy, even though I haven't been with my friend for going on two weeks now... :blink:  :(

[post="15063"]<{POST_SNAPBACK}>[/post]

Tell me about it! :unsure:

[gt1750]

Only one of 38 voters is Carlos Mencia. That's an interesting fact. :)

[Satty]

I'm not going to give away the plot to what will become the most annoyingly politically correct movie ever, but in it "chocolate milk" will be reffered to as "African-American milk." There will be lactation of chocolate milk involved, people will laugh, they wont know why.

[CSpec]

Being PC has a lot to do with having manners.  You can say the same thing multiple ways, but usually there is a rude way of going about it and a much more diplomatic way of going about it.  For example, there is a very large girl I know, but when I am describing her to people, she has a "dominating figure" accompanied with a gesture that makes the point clear.  Yes, she's fat, but she's also a very good friend.

That seems more like manners than political correctness. It would be different if you said "she's fatter than a black family at KFC!" or something.

[Carguy]

Political Correctness is nothing more then (THOUGHT POLICE)--(OPINION POLICE) in the future as long as we dont FIGHT IT. It is the DREAM of far to many so called PROGRESSIVES who want to DOMONATE the culture this way. Shure some have made the point about basic politeness and thats OK to a point. But if we as a country dont watch out we will CONTINUE to lose our RIGHTS as we give in! I am a (Politically Incorrect - Sexist - Homophobeic - Neanderthal - Pig - Basterd) to those (UN AMERICAN) aka (SOCIALISTS) and PROUD OF IT!!

[Sixty8panther]

I'm not out to offend people but I'll speak my mind more than most.

[Nick]

I was listening to radio personality Tom Leykis yesterday, and he was mentioning censorship in the Seattle area (one of the areas where his show is broadcasted) and he mentioned how they are censoring out everything and their newest addition to the list was the word BOOBS! what the hell?

[Croc]

That seems more like manners than political correctness. It would be different if you said "she's fatter than a black family at KFC!" or something.

[post="15120"]<{POST_SNAPBACK}>[/post]

No that would just be racism.

PC is when you say "challenged" instead of "handicapped," "petite" instead of "short," and other such types of euphemisms designed to convey meaning while not offending those you are discussing. It really is a manners/diplomacy/sensitivity thing.

No one is forcing you to be PC and polite, but you might end up getting more disapproving looks and be considered rude otherwise...I mean you can only offend so many people before you start getting a reputation. Edited September 16, 2005 by Croc

[tama z71]

Well, since you know so much about my friend and her weight problem, then you are well aware that she is the size she is because she has a rare disorder that gives her an allergy to phenylalanine causing her to swell up and retain a crazy amount of water while simultaneously slowing her metabolism, right?  So it doesn't really matter that even though she runs and bikes miles a day, eats a restricted calorie diet, and lives a healthier lifestyle than the vast majority of people do, she needs to just "lose the weight"?  OK Dr. Jackass...

How is refraining from using the N-word "tactful"?  That isn't really an issue of diplomacy or tact, it seems like an issue of basic human decency.

I do take issue with saying "fat" is a minor thing.  It is a very visible thing, and no more minor than anyone's physical imperfections.  Overweight people are treated as lazy slobs with no self-control in society, and I really do not think this is a minor thing...it really is a whole category of prejudice.

[post="14918"]<{POST_SNAPBACK}>[/post]

well, your intitial response alluded to nothing about her having a health condition. thats a little different.

perfect example of political correctness? you made a point about my use of the word tactful. you know damn well and good what the hell i meant there, and if you're making a big deal about semantics, then you are one of the many who needs to chill the fuck out.

[Croc]

well, your intitial response alluded to nothing about her having a health condition.  thats a little different. 

perfect example of political correctness?  you made a point about my use of the word tactful.  you know damn well and good what the hell i meant there, and if you're making a big deal about semantics, then you are one of the many who needs to chill the fuck out.

[post="15262"]<{POST_SNAPBACK}>[/post]

The reason I never referred to her health problem initially is because you would never know that just upon meeting her. That was the point I was making, that you can easily make a snap judgment without all the info and therefore offend people, hence the need to be sensitive and PC because you just don't always have all the info.

I wasn't arguing semantics at all. I really thought that by your using the word "tactful" you knew what it meant and were using it appropriately.

[Variance]

I was listening to radio personality Tom Leykis yesterday, and he was mentioning censorship in the Seattle area (one of the areas where his show is broadcasted) and he mentioned how they are censoring out everything and their newest addition to the list was the word BOOBS! what the hell?

[post="15181"]<{POST_SNAPBACK}>[/post]

What the hell?! You can't censor "boobs". "Boobs" should be free and out in the open.

[AAS]

I hate being PC, but I know when to turn it on and off. Off, to piss off my PC sisters or if I'm with some of my friends, and On any other time.

[Cory Wolfe]

What the hell?! You can't censor "boobs". "Boobs" should be free and out in the open.

[post="15287"]<{POST_SNAPBACK}>[/post]

I hate censorship.

[Cremazie]

I hate censorship.

[post="15306"]<{POST_SNAPBACK}>[/post]

I don't care what people say or do, I have been called many things. It doesn't bother me. B)

[Variance]

What I really hate are the PC nannies that whine about certain TV shows and video games because their children are exposed to it. Here's a thought: Try and actually parent your damn kids. "Well, I can't watch them 24/7." Cry me a fucking river. :rolleyes: Teach them what is appropriate and what isn't and you won't have to.

[Satty]

Its easier to bitch about stuff than to actually pay attention to what your kids are doing. Kids aren't the problem, parents are dumb.

[tama z71]

Its easier to bitch about stuff than to actually pay attention to what your kids are doing.  Kids aren't the problem, parents are dumb.

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:cheers:

[CARBIZ]

If you want to see PC run amock, read anything printed in the gay press. We get it up to our whazoos (okay, that wasn't meant to be lewd). For example, although most people would agree it isn't acceptable to not hire someone because of their sex, race, color, etc. , what about personal ads? There was a stink recently in one of our local gay rags that people were being "offensive" in their personal ads by saying things like "prefer white male" or "no fats or fems." When I read the controversy I was horrified. What, it is now racist because you won't sleep with someone of a certain race? Everyone has their preferences, I am sure. What would be the point in emailing/phoning or whatever 15 candidates if half of them turned out to be Asian and you just weren't into that? Sure, there is a tactful/polite way of letting someone down, but PC is taking over governments, councils, etc. Sometimes it is laughable; other times, almost horrific. (BTW, all of this is just observation: I am happily married to the same guy for 3 1/2 years. None of this involves me directly - at least not now.)

[Carguy]

No that would just be racism.

PC is when you say "challenged" instead of "handicapped," "petite" instead of "short," and other such types of euphemisms designed to convey meaning while not offending those you are discussing.  It really is a manners/diplomacy/sensitivity thing.

No one is forcing you to be PC and polite, but you might end up getting more disapproving looks and be considered rude otherwise...I mean you can only offend so many people before you start getting a reputation.

[post="15200"]<{POST_SNAPBACK}>[/post]

NO ONE IS FORCING YOU TO BE PC??? THATS JUST NOT TRUE!! Political Correctness is very established in our law NOW!! And its GETTING WORSE every year!!

[Croc]

I hate being PC, but I know when to turn it on and off.  Off, to piss off my PC sisters or if I'm with some of my friends, and On any other time.

[post="15288"]<{POST_SNAPBACK}>[/post]

Exactly. Agree 100%

[Croc]

NO ONE IS FORCING YOU TO BE PC??? THATS JUST NOT TRUE!! Political Correctness is very established in our law NOW!! And its GETTING WORSE every year!!

[post="15388"]<{POST_SNAPBACK}>[/post]

Well yea...what I was getting at is that no one is physically FORCING you to be PC, but there might be consequences for NOT being PC when you should...

[Flybrian]

I still consider many PC terms to be misnomers. Challenged vs. Handicapped is one of them. We're all challenged in some way. I'm challenged in playing the piano, Josh is challenged in being sober, 68 is challenged in not posting Camaro burnouts...hell, Ocn is heterosexually-challenged. However, it doesn't mean anything. Petite, IMO, is a completely different descriptor than short. Petite as I take it to mean describes someone (mostly female) as being not only small in stature, but in physical makeup - thinner figure and the like. Short is just lacking in height. For example, a 5"1' 98lb woman can be either short or petite while a 5"1' 298lb woman is simply short. Anyway, political correctness is fine in certain situations and should always be exercised wisely in formal settings and around people you don't know. In that way, it doesn't differ from any other manner of conduct. However, among friends, who cares? I'm part Chinese and my girlfriend is Mexican and if you hear us rib on each other, you'd think we not only hate one another but are the biggest racists this side of the Mason-Dixon Line (and since I'm in Florida, that means something). But its simply us being fun with each other. And if nosy outsiders feel the need to 'correct' myself and my friends when we're being friends, then they can simply have the respect to keep their opinions to themselves.