In Depth: 2007 Lexus GS

[Variance]

In Depth: 2007 Lexus GS

September 12, 2006 - Torrance, CA - For 2007, the new Lexus GS 350 enters the market as a more powerful version of 2006's newly introduced third-generation GS 300. It joins the GS 430 in Lexus' mid-luxury sedan offerings. The 2007 GS 350 builds upon its predecessor model's already significant levels of performance, advanced luxury and intuitive technology, and it becomes the most powerful six-cylinder model in its segment. The handling performance of the 2007 GS 430's potent 4.3-liter V8 is further optimized by a newly available active stabilizer system that automatically and seamlessly counteracts body sway to improve cornering performance.

"The 2007 GS models epitomize the direction of the Lexus brand, offering more emotional design and remarkably higher performance without compromising the luxurious comfort, attention to detail and quality that continue to rank Lexus as the leader in the luxury category," said Bob Carter, Lexus group vice president and general manager.

The 2007 GS 350 replaces the previous 245-horsepower 3.0-liter engine with a new 303-horsepower 3.5-liter V6, which delivers blistering performance with zero-to-60 mph in just 5.7 seconds, as well as exemplary fuel efficiency for the class. The GS 350 is available in rear- and all-wheel-drive models with respective preliminary EPA-estimated fuel mileage ratings of 21/29 and 20/27 city/highway; the V8 GS 430 continues as a rear-wheel drive model, carrying an EPA-estimated rating of 18/25 mpg.

Aluminum alloy 18-inch wheels are standard on the GS 430 and newly available for the rear-wheel-drive GS 350. All GS models offer the new Generation 5 Lexus DVD Navigation System for 2007, which features Bluetooth® compatibility, voice activation and a rear back-up camera. In addition, the Lexus Link® telematics system is now available for 2007 GS models.

303-Horsepower V6 Is a Power Leader

Optimized for low internal friction, the GS 350’s 3.5-liter V6 engine produces 303 horsepower at 6,400 RPM and 274 lb.-ft. of peak torque at 4,800 rpm. A new direct fuel-injection system provides much finer fuel-mixture control to improve both power and fuel efficiency. Dual Variable Valve Timing with intelligence (VVT-i) acts on both intake and exhaust valves to further enhance performance through a wide rpm range.

The GS 430’s 4.3-liter double overhead-cam V8 engine produces 290 horsepower at 5,600 rpm and 319 lb.-ft. of torque at 3,400 rpm. Continuously Variable Valve Timing with intelligence (VVT-i) ensures excellent low- and mid-range power for easy highway merging. Both GS models achieve the EPA’s Ultra Low Emission Vehicle (ULEV) certification. All 2007 GS models maximize performance with a six-speed automatic transmission that features a sequential manual-shift mode.

All-Wheel Drive for All-Weather Performance

The 2007 GS 350’s available all-wheel-drive system helps to enhance handling in diverse driving conditions. A planetary-gear center differential and a wet-type multi-disc clutch control front-to-rear power distribution.

The system normally sends 70 percent of available power to the rear wheels to provide the traditional performance advantages of a rear-drive car, but will vary the torque-split ratio from 30:70 to 50:50 in response to driving conditions and driver input. The AWD system’s electronic-control strategy takes inputs such as steering and throttle angle from driver activity combined with vehicle signals from wheel speed and yaw rate sensors.

Ultra-Advanced Dynamic Handling Control

The Lexus GS combines the best-proven design chassis systems with new dynamic handling technology. The double-wishbone front suspension and multilink rear suspension systems feature with geometry optimized to virtually eliminate unwanted wheel-angle changes during suspension movement. The result is a natural, confident feel that’s also spirited.

An Adaptive Variable Suspension (AVS) system, standard on and exclusive to the GS 430, provides four settings, including "sport," for tighter, more precise control. AVS can automatically select appropriate suspension damping for driving conditions. New for 2007, the GS 430 offers the advanced Active Stabilizer system that reduces body sway and enhances vehicle control during cornering. This new system uses electric actuators, rather than slower hydraulic units commonly found in similar systems.

An Electronic Control Unit (ECU) calculates the force needed to counter excess body sway, which is then applied to the stabilizer bars by the front and rear actuators. The Active Stabilizer system responds within 20 milliseconds, compared to 100 milliseconds for a competitor. The Lexus system consumes no power under normal operating conditions, whereas the competitor’s system consumes over 240 watts.

The GS 430 provides the performance enhancements and advanced vehicle control of the Lexus Vehicle Dynamics Integrated Management (VDIM) system. VDIM integrates and manages a host of handling technologies more quickly than previous dynamic handling technologies could. Combining input from a variety of sensors, VDIM is designed to anticipate the onset of a vehicle skid or slide and then help correct the situation with a combination of braking, throttle, and steering control in a way that is essentially transparent to the driver.

VDIM integration helps to provide precise management for the Electronically Controlled Brakes (ECB), Variable Gear Ratio Steering (VGRS), Electric Power Steering (EPS), Vehicle Stability Control (VSC), Anti-lock Braking System (ABS), Brake Assist (BA), Electronic Brake-force Distribution (EBD), and engine torque (via the electronically controlled throttle). New for 2007, the GS also allows the driver to disengage the stability and traction control via the Trac Off switch.

Electric Power Steering

Electric Power Steering (EPS) in the GS 430 provides precise electric power assist using a DC motor built into the steering gear housing, rather than hydraulic assist. Eliminating the hydraulic steering pump reduces engine drag, and the simplified steering system is lighter and more compact, as well.

Also in the GS 430, Variable Gear Ratio Steering (VGRS) can vary the steering from 2.7 turns lock-to-lock for low-speed maneuverability to a slower 3.2 turns lock-to-lock for highway-speed stability. VGRS also provides differential steering control, which helps correct for a delay in steering response, something that occurs in all vehicles, to help enhance driving feel in lane changes and other transitional maneuvers.

Intelligent and Powerful Brakes

Enhanced braking performance in both GS sedans begins with mechanical components that significantly increase brake friction and improve stopping power, while effectively eliminating brake fade. Brake Assist (BA), Electronic Brake-force Distribution (EBD) and the Anti-lock Braking System (ABS) help form a powerful safety front. EBD optimizes brake pressure at each wheel to help minimize body dive or sway during hard braking and cornering. Brake Assist is designed to determine if the driver is attempting emergency braking and, if the driver has not stepped firmly enough on the brake pedal to activate the ABS, it will apply maximum braking force until pedal pressure is released.

The GS 430’s Electronically Controlled Brakes (ECB) is a brake-by-wire system. ECB translates brake pedal pressure into electric signals that, via computer control, help provide precise and optimized braking in virtually any traction condition. Electronic control provides quick brake response when needed, helping the GS 430’s VDIM system to anticipate and help correct skids before they occur. The ECB system is backed by conventional hydraulic brake control in the unlikely event of electronic failure.

Lexus designers strive to keep controls simple and intuitive, avoiding needless complexity. A secure and distraction-free setting enables the driver to best appreciate the GS’ enhanced performance. The SmartAccess keyless entry and push-to-start ignition allow the driver to keep the access fob in a pocket or purse. Audio and climate-control systems are easy to understand and operate, and the GS locates controls that are used less frequently behind a dash panel on the left side of the steering wheel.

The gauge cluster features machined aluminum facings for a classic look. Highlighting the sporty nature of the GS and emphasizing a closer driver-and-machine connection, the quick-response tachometer moves more directly in concert with changes in engine rpm. The unique instrument panel lighting system relies on variable-transparency glass to minimize reflections from the gauge faces and to help optimize visibility in all lighting conditions.

A comprehensive interior lighting system provides just the right amount of light where the driver and passengers need it. All four windows offer one-touch up-and-down operation with jam protection. Both electrochromic auto-dimming side mirrors are power-retractable and feature automatic tilt-down when reverse gear is selected to aid in parking. A power trunk closer provides a finishing touch on this extremely well-equipped car.

Advanced Safety Systems

Both GS models implement a variety of advanced safety systems. The Supplemental Restraint System (SRS) includes variable-force front airbags for both driver and front passenger. Sensors determine the severity of an impact and in turn the airbag deployment force, helping to provide an appropriate level of occupant restraint. The GS features standard seat-mounted side airbags for the front seats, knee airbags for the driver and front passenger, and front and rear side-curtain airbags.

The optional Pre-Collision System (PCS) in the Lexus GS models can help reduce collision damage. A millimeter-wave radar sensor helps detect obstacles in front of the car, while vehicle speed, steering angle and yaw-rate inputs help to determine whether a collision is unavoidable.

In such a situation, PCS switches the Adaptive Variable Suspension to sport mode for optimal chassis response, preemptively retracts front seat belts, and preinitializes Brake Assist so that increased braking will be applied the instant the driver depresses the pedal. The active braking feature will automatically apply the brakes up to a deceleration rate of 0.3 G’s if the driver fails to react to system warnings.

Technology for Safer and Easier Driving

Both ’07 GS models provide multiple systems to help improve driver safety and improve the overall behind-the-wheel experience. The Adaptive Front lighting System (AFS), standard on the GS 430 and optional for the GS 350, helps illuminate a curve as the driver steers into it. A Tire Pressure Monitoring system can detect a critical loss in pressure in one or more tires and alert the driver.

The available Intuitive Park Assist (IPA) system uses ultrasonic sensors to detect objects close to the car’s front and rear bumpers and alert the driver accordingly. This updated version of the system first used in the LX 470 SUV and the previous-generation Lexus LS flagship sedan offers additional function by adding a steering-input sensor to better judge changes in distance to objects. The rear back-up camera, available in conjunction with the optional navigation system, automatically projects an image of what its lens can detect behind the vehicle onto the navigation screen when the vehicle is in reverse gear.

Indulgent Luxury, Passionate Design

The next-generation GS performance sedans ushered in a new more passionate design direction for the brand. From an architectural standpoint, the new Lexus design language, dubbed L-finesse, is more sculptural and dynamic and eschews gimmickry for intriguing simplicity.

A 112.2-inch wheelbase, long hood, pulled-back cabin and short rear deck create a confident, powerful stance for the GS while a sloped, vertical grille surrounded by four independent headlamps visually connects the newer models with the previous generation while at the same time lending a distinct look that signals the brand’s design progression. The boldly styled lower valance features integrated foglamps, and a low 0.27 coefficient of drag (Cd) helps to minimize wind noise.

L-finesse extends to the interior as well with a passenger compartment designed to impart a unique spatial feeling that creates an intuitive and naturally comfortable environment. The end result is a cabin that is intimate without feeling confining. Ultra-premium wood, polished-metal accents and leather trim endow the GS interior with a lavish yet high-precision feel, with touchpoints that convey quality and controls that respond fluidly.

The GS customer can choose from among three interior leather color combinations: Ash with Black Bird’s-eye maple wood trim; Cashmere with Brown Bird’s-eye maple wood trim, or Black with walnut wood trim. Each combination includes a matching wood and leather-trim steering wheel and shift knob.

The next-generation GS sedans continue the Lexus tradition of providing luxury that envelopes the occupants without introducing unnecessary distractions. The standard Regency leather-trimmed, heated, 10-way power front seats (perforated leather on GS 430) are supportive and comfortably contoured for long-trip support. Fan ventilation for the seats is optional. A power-tilt and telescopic steering wheel helps ensure a comfortable driving position. The standard dual-zone climate-control system filters and deodorizes the air, and a standard rear power sunshade adds to passenger comfort on warm days.

Premium Audio Choices

Lexus long ago established an elevated standard for mobile audio systems, and the next-generation GS models uphold this tenet with a standard system that features an AM/FM/cassette stereo and a 6-disc in-dash CD changer. The system plays through 10 premium speakers while an Automatic Sound Levelizer (ASL) maintains consistent sound levels at varying vehicle speeds.

Within the ultra-quite Lexus GS interior, all styles of music come to life with the 7.1-channel optional Mark Levinson® audio system. Featuring 11 channels of amplification with a total of 330 watts playing through 14 speakers, the system allows users to play both CDs and DVDs. DVD movies can be viewed on the color seven-inch touch screen when the vehicle is in park.

Fifth-Generation Navigation System

All 2007 GS models offer the optional generation five Lexus DVD Navigation System. This revamped system includes voice-recognition that allows the driver to enter a destination by voice command. Visual support is greatly enhanced with a central screen featuring a high-resolution 800 x 480 pixel display in 32,000 colors. On-screen details are crisp and clean, and maps and roads include 3-D shadow effects. Spanish is added to the already available English and French text display options with the user able to select the language preference at system

start-up.

The DVD map database contains more than five million Points of Interest (POI). The database for Chicago, Detroit, Los Angeles, and New York includes a building footprint-display feature that can show graphic representations of buildings and structures to help the driver identify surroundings. System functions include multiple route calculations, route preview, simplified highway junction graphics, and a dual-map screen mode.

Bluetooth® wireless technology integrates with the navigation system to allow the transfer of personal phone books to the navigation system. The driver can also make hands-free phone calls via its touch-screen control panel.

Premium Protection

All new Lexus vehicles come with a 48-month/50,000-mile basic limited warranty with roadside assistance for 48-months/unlimited miles. Powertrain and restraint system coverage is provided for 72 months/70,000 miles. Corrosion perforation protection is covered for 72 months, regardless of mileage.

Source: Toyota Motor Company

[Flybrian]

So, everyone who bought the '06 GS is a total moron.

[siegen]

Sounds like they have a nice V6 on their hands. Can't wait until Honda replaces their J-series V6 line, which is outdated and SOHC. This makes the J35 look bad.

[Robert Hall]

Hmm..the V6 has more hp than the V8? Is that a typo?

[Variance]

Hmm..the V6 has more hp than the V8?  Is that a typo?

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You read right. The V8 has more torque, though.

[sciguy_0504]

The 4.7 in the new LS will probably replace the 4.3 next year.

Edit: 4.6 in the new LS, I meant.

Edited September 15, 2006 by sciguy_0504

[Polish_Kris]

So, everyone who bought the '06 GS is a total moron.

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Really? How so?

[Flybrian]

Really?  How so?

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Spending so-and-so much on a car with the same V6 its had for eight years when the next year, one with so much more horsepower comes out.

Duuuuuu'h

[frogger]

Ummm don't BMW and Mercedes carry over engines all the time then upgrade them at random? Didn't Caddy stick a crappy old 3.2L in the CTS until the 3.6L was ready? Didn't Hummer upgrade the insufficient H3 engine this year? There must be a lot of total morons out there.

[Flybrian]

I simply found it funny that the 'all-new' GS carried over a then-lacksidasical 245hp V6 at a time when everyone else had long passed that by.

[Polish_Kris]

Spending so-and-so much on a car with the same V6 its had for eight years when the next year, one with so much more horsepower comes out.

Duuuuuu'h

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You're a funny guy Fly, or at least you think you are...

I don't see you complaining about all the so-called morons who bought the CTS with the 3.2 L before the 3.6 L came out like Frogger mentioned in the last post... get over yourself, don't be ignorant and jealous just because you can't afford a Lexus

Edited September 14, 2006 by Polish_Kris

[avant1963]

Arguing with import fans is like arguing with Republicans.

As soon as you see a real point (like not waiting for a better engine) you jump in with something completely unrelated to the topic at hand (What about the Caddy?). No one was talking about a Fkn Caddy here. Fly made a point that those that bought an 06 probably feel gipped that they didn't wait a year. It wasn't a dig at Lexus, and it wasn't a dig at those that drive them. It was a TRUE statement about a much better package for the same price.

YOU made it a domestic/import issue. Not Fly.

And I think that Fly would agree, those that got the old engine in the CTS probably feel gipped if they didn't wait a year. We're not giving a free pass here, but you will assume it because it wasn't the topic at hand.

Until you start a relevant conversation, you need to curb this bull$h!, cause I'm tired of it.

And what makes you Fkn think that those that spend time on a GM site are jealous of a Lexus. Grow the Fk up already and take you useless banter to another website - Trolls.

[Northstar]

You're a funny guy Fly, or at least you think you are...

I don't see you complaining about all the so-called morons who bought the CTS with the 3.2 L before the 3.6 L came out like Frogger mentioned in the last post... get over yourself, don't be ignorant and jealous just because you can't afford a Lexus

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Umm, there have been countless times people have faulted GM for not putting it's best foot forward in terms of the powertrain when a model came out. The CTS is one of those vehicles, as well as the G6 (no 4cyl or 3.6), Aura (no 4cyl), Colorado, H3, and more. Just because GM does it doesn't mean that Lexus can do it and get away with it. GM gets bashed all the time for doing it, and Lexus should too.

Maybe you should get over yourself and realize Lexus F'd up on this occasion, and quit making us try to believe that Lexus and Toyota are perfect, because they're not.

[Drew Dowdell]

Arguing with import fans is like arguing with Republicans.

As soon as you see a real point (like not waiting for a better engine) you jump in with something completely unrelated to the topic at hand (What about the Caddy?).  No one was talking about a Fkn Caddy here.  Fly made a point that those that bought an 06 probably feel gipped that they didn't wait a year.  It wasn't a dig at Lexus, and it wasn't a dig at those that drive them.  It was a TRUE statement about a much better package for the same price.

YOU made it a domestic/import issue. Not Fly.

And I think that Fly would agree, those that got the old engine in the CTS probably feel gipped if they didn't wait a year.  We're not giving a free pass here, but you will assume it because it wasn't the topic at hand.

Until you start a relevant conversation, you need to curb this bull$h!, cause I'm tired of it.

And what makes you Fkn think that those that spend time on a GM site are jealous of a Lexus.  Grow the Fk up already and take you useless banter to another website - Trolls.

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walt layin out the smack down!

[Robert Hall]

Spending so-and-so much on a car with the same V6 its had for eight years when the next year, one with so much more horsepower comes out.

Duuuuuu'h

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How about those Buick buyers that buy cars with the old 3.8 and 4-speed automatic?

[Drew Dowdell]

How about those Buick buyers that buy cars with the old 3.8 and 4-speed automatic?

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The Buicks only have bigger engines available for more money and GM has not said they are replacing the 3800 in the W or G/H bodies any time soon.

The 6speed will likely not go into the W-body and probably not go into the G-body.

Lexus on the otherhand replaced an old engine with a superior engine for the same money.

You point doesn't hold.

[Croc]

You're a funny guy Fly, or at least you think you are...

I don't see you complaining about all the so-called morons who bought the CTS with the 3.2 L before the 3.6 L came out like Frogger mentioned in the last post... get over yourself, don't be ignorant and jealous just because you can't afford a Lexus

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You're a piece of work. Unpleasantly arrogant, you take yourself far too seriously. You make anti-American comments every chance you get. In fact, you're so negative I can't remember the last time you weren't whining about something; whether it's America, North American motor vehicles, parts of Canada becoming "too ethnic," or whatever the hell else you feel like bitching about on any given day. You add very little to the site, and I can safely say the only reason you've been around this long is because you friends with !!!TED!!! and he is a very well-liked and respected member of our site as well as being a very positive person. He's a nice guy, you're not. Oh, and I loved how the pictures you posted were all of yourself with maybe part of your girlfriend included here or there...narcissistic much?

[Flybrian]

Thanks, guys.

Now, I'm going to go get a second job so I can afford a Lexus.

Oh, wait...

All I need is $299 down for a 12kmile/year lease?

Maybe I'll get just one now...

By the way, you know a person runs out of steam when they bring up the simply hillarious 'can't afford' statement.

[pow]

Spending so-and-so much on a car with the same V6 its had for eight years when the next year, one with so much more horsepower comes out.

Duuuuuu'h

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As you guys are throwing custard pies at one another... can I politely point out that the '98-'04 GS300 220-hp inline-six is completely unrelated to the '05-'06 GS300 245-hp V6?

[Drew Dowdell]

As you guys are throwing custard pies at one another... can I politely point out that the '98-'04 GS300 220-hp inline-six is completely unrelated to the '05-'06 GS300 245-hp V6?

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I noticed it, but let it go. I hear $h! like that from the 323 drivin gay boys who insist *their* V6 is better than my CTS's V6.

I'll agree that the BMW 6 is a bit smoother, but I have more gitty-up..... and at least I know what configuration my engine is in.

Isn't the old GS I6 related to the Supra motor?

[Bimmer325]

I simply found it funny that the 'all-new' GS carried over a then-lacksidasical 245hp V6 at a time when everyone else had long passed that by.?

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The previous-generation GS300 used an inline-six related to the 2JZ that debuted in the original SC300. We owned an IS300 with that same inline-six. It's completely unrelated to the 245-horsepower V-6 that powers the current GS300.

[Flybrian]

Sorry. Would've known that if I weren't pulling three shifts at Dunkin' Donuts so I can afford a Lexus...

[The O.C.]

Umm, there have been countless times people have faulted GM for not putting it's best foot forward in terms of the powertrain when a model came out. The CTS is one of those vehicles, as well as the G6 (no 4cyl or 3.6), Aura (no 4cyl), Colorado, H3, and more. Just because GM does it doesn't mean that Lexus can do it and get away with it. GM gets bashed all the time for doing it, and Lexus should too.

Maybe you should get over yourself and realize Lexus F'd up on this occasion, and quit making us try to believe that Lexus and Toyota are perfect, because they're not.

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I think it's hard to compare GM doing this versus Lexus doing this.

The previous, 245hp engine was totally competitive in every way in terms of a total package....power, torque, nvh, smoothness, driveability....etc.....

Lexus simply upgraded what was already an excellent motor overall.

Comparing that to GM putting an outdated, pushrod V6 in their "import-fighter" G6 at launch and THEN upgrading to the 3.6L (but alas only in the GTP) is ridiculous......and almost as ridiculous as comparing this to GM putting the wheezy I-5 into the H3 when everyone on here knows that truck should have had a V8....or at least a strong (Atlas?) 6-cylinder.

I don't see this as Lexus f * cking up at all......I see it as them upgrading a competitive powertrain to bring it along with the competition.

GM is the one that f * cked up by using a pushrod V6 in G6.....not offering an L4 in AURA.....installing a wheezy I-5 in a heavier-than-needs-to-be H3.....

[The O.C.]

I noticed it, but let it go.  I hear $h! like that from the 323 drivin gay boys who insist *their* V6 is better than my CTS's V6. 

I'll agree that the BMW 6 is a bit smoother, but I have more gitty-up..... and at least I know what configuration my engine is in.

Isn't the old GS I6 related to the Supra motor?

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More giddyup than a "323?"

Because our car can't hold a candle to a new 325i....much less a 330i in terms of performance.....unfortunately.

I love the 3.6L in my car....but I think the high curb weight (3,750) hurts performance. The only thing I WISH for is more "giddy-up" in my CTS. With about 1,100 miles on it now, it's loosened up nicely...but just doesn't feel all that quick when I put the whip to it.

C&D.....accel times of all manual-transmission cars (like my CTS.....)

CTS Sport - 255hp - 6.9secs

325i - 215hp - 0-60, 6.1secs

330i - 255hp - Can't find the 0-60 online....but it's in the high-fives if I remember.

And lest you think I'm bitching, Oldsmoboi, rest assured I LOVE my CTS and think it's a great riding, handling, and driving car....with a sublime shifter and clutch. Low speeds show the 3.6L to behave as nicely as any imported 6-cylinder....it's just not a "zinger" to the redline.

[Drew Dowdell]

More giddyup than a "323?"

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yes... a 323... not a 325 or a 330... a 323...

which basically means older model. I'm refering to two specific people here in PGH. Friends of friends... tools who like to talk up their 8? or so year old BMWs.... yet still insist they have V6s.

This has nothing to do with the 3-series v. CTS debate... it's about people who don't know their cars yet yap about them anyway.

the CTS is still a 5-series at a 3-series price.... the size difference makes sure of that....

what's 12 inches between friends anyway?

[Bimmer325]

I noticed it, but let it go.  I hear $h! like that from the 323 drivin gay boys who insist *their* V6 is better than my CTS's V6. 

I'll agree that the BMW 6 is a bit smoother, but I have more gitty-up..... and at least I know what configuration my engine is in.

Isn't the old GS I6 related to the Supra motor?

193447[/snapback]

Yes. The fourth-generation Supra's 2JZ-GTE engine is related to the 2JZ-GE (IS300, prev. GS300). The most significant difference being the Supra's twin-turbochargers.

[Intrepidation]

Notice how Polish_Kris hasn't responded since he got

Fry you're a riot

Anyway I'd feel gipped if the next year something new debuted just a year later. My neighbor owned a first-gen Outback and wished he had waited a year for the more powerful engine which debuted. A family friend bought an 04 Grand Caravan and wishes so bad she had waited a year for Stow `n Go. Seems Polish_Kris needs to chill out more than I sometimes do (right BV? ).

Edited September 15, 2006 by Dodgefan

[!!!TED!!!]

You're a piece of work.  Unpleasantly arrogant, you take yourself far too seriously.  You make anti-American comments every chance you get.  In fact, you're so negative I can't remember the last time you weren't whining about something; whether it's America, North American motor vehicles, parts of Canada becoming "too ethnic," or whatever the hell else you feel like bitching about on any given day.  You add very little to the site, and I can safely say the only reason you've been around this long is because you friends with !!!TED!!! and he is a very well-liked and respected member of our site as well as being a very positive person.  He's a nice guy, you're not.  Oh, and I loved how the pictures you posted were all of yourself with maybe part of your girlfriend included here or there...narcissistic much?

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Kris is a nice person in real life, but he does tend to make "of the cuff" comments here on C&G. His opinion is his own, as right or wrong as it may be. If its wrong, he will get called on it, as he has been.

He is a passionate car enthusiast and crictic. Iv known him for a long time, and we go to autoshows frequently together (this Saturday is the Georgian College outdoor show )

If he is truly out of line, than my friendship outside of the site will not be a cushion for his treatment here. As his friend, Im obliged to be nice to him.

I dont think he is knowingly trying to be a troll, although it may seem that way.

[Croc]

Check your PM box...there's a clarification there.

[sciguy_0504]

You're a piece of work.  Unpleasantly arrogant, you take yourself far too seriously.  You make anti-American comments every chance you get.

I really haven't heard any anti-American comments from him.

In fact, you're so negative I can't remember the last time you weren't whining about something; whether it's America, North American motor vehicles, parts of Canada becoming "too ethnic," or whatever the hell else you feel like bitching about on any given day.

He can have differing opinions. If he believes parts of Canada are becoming too ethnic, fine. I could say the same about parts of the U.S. It's kind of funny a Canadian has that opinion, though.

You add very little to the site, and I can safely say the only reason you've been around this long is because you friends with !!!TED!!! and he is a very well-liked and respected member of our site as well as being a very positive person.  He's a nice guy, you're not.

Good, that's your opnion. See above.

Oh, and I loved how the pictures you posted were all of yourself with maybe part of your girlfriend included here or there...narcissistic much?

Did you ever get the feeling he might not want to have his girlfriend's face all over the Internet? Maybe his girlfriend wants her privacy? Plus, the photo thread is about memebers, not their girlfriends, friends, family memebers, co-workers, enemies, etc.

[Drew Dowdell]

I really haven't heard any anti-American comments from him.

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because for you, they simply register in your brain as "the truth"

[Flybrian]

Speaking of 'register', anyone know where I can get a third job so I can afford a Lexus?

[Bimmer325]

And another thread goes down the drain.

[toyoguy]

The reasoning was the IS350 would serve as the launch the 3.5L V6.

The LS460 the 4.6L V8 and 8spd.

GS introduced L-finesse styling and new paint finish.

[pow]

The reasoning was the IS350 would serve as the launch the 3.5L V6. 

The LS460 the 4.6L V8 and 8spd.

GS introduced L-finesse styling and new paint finish.

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And awesome license plate lighting.

[sciguy_0504]

because for you, they simply register in your brain as "the truth"

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Really? I never knew, "I'm not a fan of GM products" or "GM sucks" to be anti-American. Anti-GM, yes. Anti-American, no. You just can't tell the difference between the two.

[Polish_Kris]

You're a piece of work.  Unpleasantly arrogant, you take yourself far too seriously.  You make anti-American comments every chance you get.  In fact, you're so negative I can't remember the last time you weren't whining about something; whether it's America, North American motor vehicles, parts of Canada becoming "too ethnic," or whatever the hell else you feel like bitching about on any given day.  You add very little to the site, and I can safely say the only reason you've been around this long is because you friends with !!!TED!!! and he is a very well-liked and respected member of our site as well as being a very positive person.  He's a nice guy, you're not.  Oh, and I loved how the pictures you posted were all of yourself with maybe part of your girlfriend included here or there...narcissistic much?

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Ya Croc, that's nice, you know me based on my internet comments, on a car posting board? Come on get a life, and you get your head out of your ass, iof there is anyone who is arrogant, it is you, and I'm sinking down to your level by judging your personality based on your online postings... Anti-American? Show me proof of me ever saying anything anti-American... And you have a problem with me posting on the lounge of my trip out east, and admiring the european cars on a small French Island, for the fact that I'm posting pics of my g/f standing next to a Citroen does not give you the justification to throw below-the-belt insults at me, Anti-American??? You take your blind-folds off and turn off CNN and look at the world in a realistic perspective!!! Oh and P.S. I'm not a nice person, I don't know, last time I checked, you are not that favoured on this site by allot of people!!!

[The O.C.]

what's 12 inches between friends anyway?

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[Northstar]

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