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[avant1963]

It seems that you cannot hold up as sign at the NASCAR races that says that you "Hate Toyotas" or you will be arrested.

Read this:

Sunday August 20, 2006 This man Bill Bagwell (the founder of fansagainestracingtoyotas.com) was at the NASCAR race in Michigan he was holding this sign up at the pre-race television show Race day on Speed TV. He had been among the fans holding signs for over a hour. Their were many signs some positive about NASCAR drivers and teams and some not so positive. During a break the producer came over and told Bill he could no longer hold his Toyota sign up. Bill told him that this race was still being held in the USA and that he had freedom of speech. The producer said he agreed with Bill but NASCAR was yelling into his headphones that he had to get Bill's sign down. The producer told Bill if you show that sign one more time you will be arrested. Bill protested but realized that he was out numbered when the security guards started to surround him so he did as he was told and he no longer held his sign up. What is NASCAR afraid of? Do the Frances now do as Toyota tells them? We thought they were in charge of NASCAR or is who ever has the newest money the one who calls the shots? During this TV show in their have been all kind of signs held up. The women standing next to Bill had a negative sign about Carl Edwards she was not told to put her sign down. Fans always hold up controversial signs. Signs that question different drivers sexual preferences, signs that talk about drivers not being good or drivers being great. Was Bills sign so threatening that NASCAR was willing to violate Bills 1st amendment rights? Tell us what you think of this terrible violation of Bills rights.

http://fansagainstracingtoyotas.com/

[ocnblu]

Yeah, I posted a thread about this here in the lounge a few days ago. NASCAR has lost touch with reality. But we knew that, years ago.

[avant1963]

Oops... sorry. My stupid mail came late (I just got last week's Autoweek today) and was late to the story. Well, it's worth posting twice. This was my last year to give a $h! about NASCAR, and it looks like that will end early after this stunt.

[Cory Wolfe]

Eh... Oh well. I may not like it either, but as long as JG races, Ill watch. Can't let the whole wall of JG stuff go to waste. It wasn't free.

[Camino LS6]

NASCAR is dead, it just doesn't know it yet.

I checked out that site and wow, it's a debate between 2 factions of mental defectives.

[ocnblu]

Yeah, Camino... it is a shame that the site will not be effective due to the caliber of posters. Edited September 12, 2006 by ocnblu

[the_yellow_dart]

Eh... Oh well. I may not like it either, but as long as JG races, Ill watch. Can't let the whole wall of JG stuff go to waste. It wasn't free.

192626[/snapback]

Our local NASCAR store had two washrooms. One labelled "Men" and one labelled "Women, and Jeff Gordon fans".

[Camino LS6]

Our local NASCAR store had two washrooms. One labelled "Men" and one labelled "Women,Toyota, and Jeff Gordon fans".

192637[/snapback]

Fixed. :AH-HA_wink:

[Variance]

I don't know why the NASCAR fans aganist Toyota are so up in arms over shells with Camry part stickers racing...

[Camino LS6]

It's just that it is the latest in a long line of money grubbing moves which have steadily destroyed what was once an interesting race series.

[razoredge]

Once again I will say

Its amazing whats legal and whats illegal in this country

Way to go Bill........but you should have stood your ground firmly, with a friend and a video camera of course.

I suppose what they would have done was throw him off of the grounds and thats about it. Security guards do not equal arrest. Im sure Toyota money was exactly what had to do with it.

So now send in the C&G police because

ASIAN CARS................and SATURIN..............SUCK !

I

HATE

THEM ALL

[Sixty8panther]

I think we should launch a counter attack...

The Crown Victoria should compete in the

Japanese Drifting Championships next year.

[Guest YellowJacket894]

Who cares about ASSCAR, anyway? I don't.

I hope Toyota climbing on this recently found Psuedo-American bandwagon and getting into ASSCAR offends enough rednecks to kill it. I'm sick of ASSCAR taking up the whole Sunday night line-up at FOX.

[FAPTurbo]

I've never heard of "Saturin." Are they a new Chinese player?

Maybe they do suck... who knows...

[Cory Wolfe]

Our local NASCAR store had two washrooms. One labelled "Men" and one labelled "Women, and Jeff Gordon fans".

192637[/snapback]

Oh f@#k them.

[NOS2006]

Oh f@#k them.

192768[/snapback]

The people in the bathroom mentioned above full o' Jeff Gordon fans? Oh, you know you wouldn't... Edited September 13, 2006 by NOS2006

[Cory Wolfe]

Okay... you got me...

[Mr.Krinkle]

the hell with nascar....its turning into a damn soap opera. real jerry springer typoe $h!. too bad really..

i bet ya ford is first to leave. may be slow and take awhile but theyll leave. jsur like pontiac did. although it was lot easier for them.

[mustang84]

I hope the Big 2.5 pull out of NASCAR. It's a waste of money that could be spent on a more prestigious series. Next thing you know, Kia will want to join.

[Camino LS6]

This can only help the resurgence of road course racing with real cars.

I already miss what NASCAR once was, I won't miss what it has become - even if Toyota wasn't involved.

Death to NASCAR!

[bowtie_dude]

Let'em race, when the Camry is associated with white trash the same way the Monte Carlo is, we'll see who laughs last.

[csaba1218]

ya'll are a buncha whiners if you don't like NASCAR shut up ,piss off ,and don't watch it, and if you're mad cause NASCAR ruins fox's sunday line up then you're a cheap ass who needs some cable.

[Cory Wolfe]

ya'll are a buncha whiners if you don't like NASCAR shut up ,piss off ,and don't watch it, and if you're mad cause NASCAR ruins fox's sunday line up then you're a cheap ass who needs some cable.

192931[/snapback]

^ My new hero!

[Guest YellowJacket894]

. . .and if you're mad cause NASCAR ruins fox's sunday line up then you're a cheap ass who needs some cable.

192931[/snapback]

I have satellite. With DVR. (But with only 75 channels.)

Edited September 13, 2006 by YellowJacket894

[the_yellow_dart]

At least with NASCAR you don't know who is going to win and there are plenty of lead changes. Not F1.

192957[/snapback]

Imagine a league where innovation was rewarded (like F1) but with a more substantial body to the car, so that they could really "race" (like NASCAR).

That I would watch. As it is, I have a slight interest in F1 and NASCAR, but don't watch either.

[csaba1218]

^ My new hero!

192946[/snapback]

Wow Viper thats an honor, thanks. 24 and 48 all the way.

[razoredge]

So funny to hear bowtiedude use the word white trash, a bit of an identity crisis there "dude".............. your the worst kind........one in denial.

I guess if White Trash is acceptable so is Niger, Queer, Fagot, Whop, Spic, Pollock and all the rest ?

Well that was actually fun ! I see how people today get off so much on the whole "shock" thing...............

Anyhow for those still breathing

There are race series that promote innovation and do offer excitement

ALMS series

Rolex Grand American Series and Grand Am cup series.

Formula One is a bit of a drag, the fastest cars & drivers are so fast and so close that passing is impossible. Its almost always done in the pits. In very few races are there actually passes for and serious positions made. This is a problem with road racing, narrow tracks with turns coming continously passing is so hard. F1 for me is fun, just to watch the amazing speed and graze that they devour the road with.

Champ car is very aggressive but less interesting from a vehical standpoint. I think there is only two or three basic cars and littel different than the color between them. Highly competitive, fast, crazy and eventful.

In Nascar one guy just lets of the gas and suddenly you see this car with great speed, go flying by....

Jeff Gordon is a great driver, well known by many of the road track guys. They have been trying to turn him to drive some real cars for quite a while now. I guess the money talks louder.

Who can blame the drivers, there is alot of money in Nascar, some how all those "white trash" people manage to buy those expensive tickets and do the drive to attend races.................must be welfare is footing the bill............

[Sixty8panther]

I already miss what NASCAR once was, I won't miss what it has become - even if Toyota wasn't involved.

192898[/snapback]

Agreed. NASCAR stopped being cool in the late 80s, if not mid 7os.

[razoredge]

By the late 60's early 70's they were insanely fast, all race cars for that matter. They needed to put a handle on that and did. I think both Nascar and LeMan's cars were doing upward of 220 on straights. The Porsche 917's were hitting 245 on Mulsanne straight.... , the FIA said "woa!".

[Dsuupr]

I'm with Bill

[Cory Wolfe]

Wow Viper thats an honor, thanks. 24 and 48 all the way.

192986[/snapback]

Heh, I got tired of defending Nascar ages ago, so no problem.

If you can, find some old NASCAR footage from the 1950's and early 1960's. That is basically what you are looking for and what NASCAR diehards love. Sure they weren't as fast, but nothing beats watching nearly stock cars going at breakneck speed on skinny bias plys.

193127[/snapback]

Essentially... Though, I'd say Nascar's best years were in the 70s and 80s. Just ask Bill Elliot.

Wow, that wind sure is whistling...

[Satty]

TURN LEFT!