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Hard to revoke citizenship if they were born to a parent of that citizenship, but if they emigrated here or as Musk did come here, overstay his welcome and then found someone to sponsor him to become a U.S. citizen, we can revoke and deport them. Under the 14th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution, the government cannot revoke the citizenship of a natural-born U.S. citizen. However, denaturalized U.S. citizens are subject to removal (deportation) from the United States. The federal government can pursue a civil or criminal proceeding in federal court to denaturalize a citizen. If a citizen loses their citizenship, this does not necessarily mean that they will be required to leave the U.S.. Instead, they will revert to their previous legal status in the U.S., unless they are subject to grounds for removal.
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Jeep News: Jeep Unsure of Direction on Compass
G. David Felt replied to Drew Dowdell's topic in Jeep
Agree with you on the Chinese versus Tesla. Toyota has cash, but like European, has FAILED in China and with Chinese exporting to Africa, South America, and Europe are falling behind in the sales. They are behind in EVs due to the idiot Chairman who says Hydrogen is the future. Japan economy is mostly Auto Driven with Exports to the U.S., Europe and other places on the planet. Japan is begging to be excluded from the Tariffs that take effect next week. I honestly do not see the Japan Auto Companies surviving in their current State, Toyota could end up like GM in only very Select markets with minimal products. -
Another Maple Leaf victory on US soil in Boston. This one is a blue Maple Leaf. Last week was the national Red one. How fitting. In the city where the cry for US independance started...
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Yeah, Toyota is really strong globally, and has a lot of cash, they can weather a storm. Honda is screwed because their top 2 sellers are made in Canada, but they have a lot of US manufacturing. The Xaiomi SU7 smokes the Plaid all day long, and it outsold the Model 3 in China last year. Tesla is starting to fall behind the Chinese, the Model S should be $45,000 and Model 3 at $29,000 to compete with what the Chinese have. Tesla can't turn profit at those prices. And Elon is scaring the customers away which doesn't help them either.
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Yes exactly. I thought so about Hyundai and KIA being in a better place to withstand US tariffs. I am niot so sure though, if they could compete with an onslaught of cheaply priced Chinese EVs. The US car market is one thing, but the Chinese OEMs will flood the WORLD with their cheaply priced EVs. And eventually, these EVs will make it to US shores, tariffs or not. But by that time, I fear a US civil war. 25% tariffs on aluminium alone is said to cost 100 000 US jobs https://www.reuters.com/markets/commodities/alcoa-warns-trumps-aluminum-tariff-could-cost-100000-us-jobs-2025-02-25/ https://www.theglobeandmail.com/business/article-alcoa-warns-100000-us-jobs-at-risk-urging-tariff-exemption-for/#:~:text=American aluminum giant Alcoa Corp,tariffs on shipments from Canada. Dont forget that Canada will have retalitory tariffs. And those will be targetted to Red States. And dont forget that Europe will strike with some sort of economc stresses of its own ON the US if Trump targets MORE European targets. 25% tariffs on some raw materials ALSO target Europe. NOT only Canada... The MAGA voters, as MUCH as they follow the cult leader Trump, some of them WILL turn on him. And those mouth breathers own guns. LOTS of them. What will Trump do? Attempt to take those away from them/ Eithr way, I see lots of doom and gloom...
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Jeep News: Jeep Unsure of Direction on Compass
G. David Felt replied to Drew Dowdell's topic in Jeep
Kia, Hyundai and Genesis build their EVs now in the U.S. and many ICE models, they have already stated they will move the rest of their production to the U.S. over the next 18 months. They want the business and market share and I think they will hurt the Japanese, European, Ford and GM on top of taking away the market from Tesla. Hyundai only makes the Tucson and Accent in Mexico, everything else in the U.S. Kia make Reo and Forte in Mexico for North American Market. Genesis makes all their auto's in Korea and the U.S. for global markets. -
You forgot to mention the Japanese car makers. Toyota might be able to weather out the tariffs, but Honda is also finished. Mazda. Hyundai/KIA might be the only ones to come out OK. All others are toast.
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Jeep News: Jeep Unsure of Direction on Compass
G. David Felt replied to Drew Dowdell's topic in Jeep
@smk4565 @Robert Hall @oldshurst442 Pathetic how the Charger EV had to go up against the low end rather than the Tesla S Plaid. Pathetic the fake engine sound, rather they just be the silent monsters they are, but one would have thought they would have had the Daytona going up against a Tesla S Plaid with a tuned Daytona being able to beat it, but no it has to lose to the Tesla Y. Sad. -
https://www.cnn.com/2025/02/25/americas/canada-petition-musk-citizenship-intl-latam/index.html https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cwydeppzggno https://www.ctvnews.ca/business/article/more-than-170000-sign-petition-to-revoke-elon-musks-canadian-citizenship/ So far, 250 000 Canadians have signed a petition addressed to Prime Minister Trudeau to revoke Elon Musk's Canadian citizenship. And as a true mature sane adult he responds that Canada isnt a real country... https://www.cnn.com/2025/02/25/americas/canada-petition-musk-citizenship-intl-latam/index.html ooooooooooooh...what a burn!!!! His mommy was born in Canada... he got Canadian citizenship through her. I say he laces them up in an American hockey jersey on some sort of barn rink somewheres in rural make believe Canada and skate up to a few drunken beer league lifers and say that to them in their faces that Canada is not a real country. We, and most importantly, him, would find out how fake Canada is...
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Agreed. All the low cost cars are made in Mexico, the Civic, Rav4 and CRV are made in Canada so you hit 3 of the best sellers hard. Stellantis is screwed for sure, they have a lot of Canadian production and they already have a price problem. GM and Ford will be weakened when the dust settles. And the Chinese will be the winner, I doubt any of the legacy car companies will be able to hold them off. I just read today how Porsche is struggling in China because their cars lack the tech and performance of some of these Chinese EV's. If Porsche who builds great cars is falling behind, what chance does Nissan, Ford or Chevy have?
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I understand, but this is the random thread. We have posted other auto focused stories that I would love to hear your thoughts on. In the other news of Auto's, one of the biggest problems we are facing is the incompetence in DC is throwing everything up into the air as we are looking at thousands if not 10's of thousands if not millions of job losses based on incompetent leadership. In this regard as a taxpayer, you and every single American should be pissed as hell at DC and the incompetence as the billions spent on Chargers and EVs for the GSA nationwide is now to be dumped on the used car market. Great deals for Taxpayers if you overlook paying twice since Morons are then spending a Billion plus to remove the Chargers and EVs. Trump’s EV Charger Purge Could Cost Taxpayers Over $1 Billion So yes, I understand you do not like the political discussion. Sadly, we are in a world of hurt and I truly think we are about to have our current day version of Recession that our great grandparents went through due to ignorant people in DC that 49.5% voted into office. Same people who warned about the Financial mess and Lehman Brothers collapse are warning about this year being a recession that could become a depression. US Recession Warning Issued by Economist Who Predicted 2008 Financial Crisis - Newsweek On other news, Since Cadillac LYRIQ V is such a awesome auto and the Acura ZDX is built on the same platform, one has to wonder if Acura could come out with a performance version of the LYRIQ V as an Acura. I did see my first ZDX on the road today and have to say, the styling is very weird imho.
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They could try that, but it would be expensive (even more so with a 25% tariff since it is made in Canada) and The Mustang had it's worst sales year in history in 2024 despite being a new model and the Camaro and Challenger being out of the picture. I read they sold over 70,000 Camaros in 2016 and it was down to 5,000 last year as they closed up shop. There is no market for these cars. I am sure they could sell a few thousand Hellcat Chargers, but is that even profitable? And I agree that the EV Charger will fail, the early test drives make it seem like the product is a bit half baked and they are too expensive.
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Stellantis in North America is done fer, tariffs or not. Ford and GM are almost done when those tariffs hit and are going to be done if those tariffs last a year long. All other OEMS that build their cars in Mexico to sell in the US are going to have a rotten year as well. At least Europeans will stick together and try to screw the US and thiose European OEMS will have a fightin' chance to survive. The real winner will be Chinese car makers and their EVs. They WILL flood the world market when the tariff war ends...
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I too, feel like the Charger EV is DOA. I am not even sure if the inline 6 will be any more of a seller either. At this point, since Tavares quit and he was the one opposed to the V8s, yeah, it wouldnt be a bad idea to shoehorn a Hellcat one in now. We laugh at that, because its that absurd, but it is what has made Dodge a comeback the last 15 years. And its the Hellcat engine that has made Stellantis money hand over fist. While an inline 6 twin turboed to make 500 some odd horsepower in the Charger would make it a fantastic muscle coupe and sedan, the mouth breathers that buy these things want their V8 Hemis. Let it be known that I am NOT a mouth breather as I breathe through my mouth heavily, LITERALLY, every time I sees a V8 Challenger... I am talking about the OTHER mouth breathers out there of course...
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When the Charger EV fails hard which I suspect it will, will they offer a Hellcat version to try to get back buyers?
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Just imagine a Jeep Compass with an extra 25% tariff on it. Sounds like a sales winner.
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1. You could follow your own response... and just ignore... OR 2. No need to whine... No need to announce quitting. Just quit. Buh-Bye!
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I likely will be, if politics are continually brought up in every single post. I don't come to automotive sites to talk politics. If I wanted to do that, I'd be on political pages.
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You coud quit too. Nobody stopping you. People come and go. That is what you told me last year.
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Whine, like everybody has been here about politics? No wonder there are only like 5 people routinely around here.
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You also find it easy to whine... Want some cheese with your whine? Have a nice Quebec poutine on me. PEI potatoes. Cheese curds from Quebec. BEFORE the tariffs hit next week. If you havent noticed, whether you find it easy to talk about politics or not, with Trump as President, you cant avoid it. You actually have to deal with it THIS time around. THIS time around, politics has become a real threat to our livelyhoods whether you find itmeasy to ignore it or not...
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Nah, I find it really easy to not talk politics.
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Its lovely, right? <rolls eyes> To be honest... Its damn near IMPOSSIBLE NOT to talk about "politics" when the President of the United States of America has forced his ideals in EVERY aspect of North American life. Even in NHL hockey... And this little thing of tariffs that will affect every little aspect of North American life INCLUDING the automobiles we love to talk about on this website... This is in Germany BTW Just for starters Yeah...aint it lovely???!!!
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It's just lovely that politics are brought up in every single thread...
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Yup. And wait until all other product related tariffs other than oil of jut 10% hit. Its not just Durnagos with V8s that will get hit. Stellantis in general along with Ford and GM. Other car manufactures too like BMW and VW. But at least those guys have Europe to sell to. GM and Ford are done for. I feel like the catastrophe that WILL come to US automanufacturing is not talked about. And its a mistake to downplay what these Trump proposed tariffs not only on Canada's and Mexico's raw materials are going to do, but Trump is going to tariff European materials too. Problem is, the world is getting ready to isolate the US fromm EVERYTHING. But, this being an automotive forum, an enthusiast one at that: Hey! We can STILL buy a Hellcat Dodge product. Aint that great???!!!
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