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Thank you, that is very weird indeed. such a mess of configurations while it might save some money here and there, it would be best if they just optimized on maximizing the charging speed through the controller to all best in class experience. Sadly, as much as I love the Rivian Product, I have to disagree with RJ on his statement about the R2 and R3 do not need 800V charging and while there is no commitment, this interview seems to imply that he only see's 400V for the R2/R3 auto's. Even the R1 which he admits will benefit from 800V and needs to move to it, will not be done yet. The Rivian R2 And R3 Probably Won't Be 800-Volt

Looks like we're both wrong and both right. For 2023+, all versions of the Model-3/Y except the base model have 250kw charging. The base models get 170kw. Prior to that, the standard range got 150kw and the long range got 250kw. There's some oddball configurations of Model-Y that are standard range but AWD that also seem to get 250kw charging. I've been looking into the Rivians lately and one disappointing thing is they have a relatively slow 170kW charge speed. That speed is tolerable on a Model-3 because it's pretty efficient, but the Rivians get 50% of the range from the same energy.

It was what I found off their website, but they might have numbers in other places.

I don't think the numbers for the Model-3 and Model-Y are fully correct. Those are the base charge rates for standard range models. Long range Model 3/Y get 250kw charging. At least in the first generation, I don't know about the refreshes.

I get it, in the story link that Ford said 20% were using Tesla and 80% were using the other brands, but your right it does leave out how often home charging versus commercial charging is done. All numbers can be manipulated in various ways to feed a narrative. Tesla only has a couple of V4 chargers that can support the CyberTruck at full charge speed hitting 350 kW. Currently all 3, Y, S, and X charge as follows: Model 3 - 170 kW DC or 7.7 kW Level 2 Model Y - 175 kW DC or 11.5 kW Level 2 Model S - 250 kW DC or 11.5 kW / 17.2 kW upgrade Model X - 250 kW DC or 11.5 kW / 17.2 kW upgrade CyberTruck - 325 kW DC or 11 kW My Kia EV9 259 kW DC or 11.5 kW Level 2 Most Tesla take about 30 min to reach 80% on the Supercharger station, EV9 is 18 min to 80% on Electrify America, EVgo or ChargePoint.

Do we know what percentage of other EV brand buyers are using them? I mean, if 20% of each brand are using them, that's a lot of vehicles using them. Also, is this 20% a percentage of every Ford owner? Like, 60% only charge from home. 40% use public charging regularly. Does that mean that 50% of people who use public chargers regularly are using Tesla Superchargers? See how numbers can be manipulated or made confusing... Doesn't Tesla charge more per Kw than most of the other big brands? Or am I wrong there?

Yes, since installing a home charger, we have only used public charging twice since last year for road trips to eastern Washington. Yes, you are right 20% less at others, but the point I was making is that the marketing fluff at the time was everyone would use it over all others pretty much and that is clearly not happening. Cool tech to see BYD chargers at this point. The U.S. needs to get its act together otherwise we will become a 3rd world country under the current idiots in DC. BYD's 1,000V Super E-Platform offers charging 400km in 5 minutes

How often are you not charging at home that you need to charge publicly? I'd think that thing has more than enough range to only need to charge at home. It's still a good thing though. That 20% aren't clogging your other charging stations and, I would think, it would keep everybody happier with more chargers available.

I have noticed far more new EVgo, ChargePoint and Electrify America 150 and 350 kW chargers being installed or upgraded around the Washington state area which have been very reliable for me so far and charge much faster than Tesla Supercharger stations. 400V versus 800V charging is amazing. I also saw that only 20% of Ford EV buyers are using Tesla Supercharger stations in comparison to other brands. So I think the Tesla station might be a bit over sold as the best thing. I will say, I am happy with the NACS charge port / cable as it is much smaller, about on par with a home Level 2 CCS charger. Seems Ford has delivered 140,000 free adapters to their N.A. customers to date. https://driveteslacanada.ca/news/ford-delivers-140000-free-nacs-adapters-to-ev-owners/ Yet only 20% are using it. https://www.pcmag.com/news/despite-tesla-supercharger-access-ford-drivers-only-use-them-20-of-the

Interesting, seems Hyundai is hitting it to ensure they take leadership in EV sales by expanding the charging credit or a free ChargePoint Level 2 charger for home use. Hyundai Expands Complimentary ChargePoint® Home Charger or $400 Charging Credit Offer to Even More IONIQ Models - Hyundai Newsroom

Seems like for North America, everyone except Lucid and Stellantis have joined the NACS pac! List: Every Automaker Adopting Tesla's NACS EV Charging Tech (businessinsider.com)

Very cool that the EV rebates for new and used as well as Leasing vehicles becomes an instant rebate at the dealership starting in 2024. EV tax credit becomes instant dealership rebate in 2024: Here's how (greencarreports.com)

Seems that Tesla NACS take over of OEM agreeing to use the NACS port is causing a huge win for money to be made by Tesla. As such, it seems the competition has finally woke up to the need of reliability and quality charging. EVgo Enhances Charging Network with ReNew™ - The EV Report

Very cool to see that prices are dropping much faster on the cost of battery cells than expected. EVs Set to Match Gas Guzzlers in Price as Battery Costs Plummet - CNET

Seems the list keeps growing for EV NACS support. More automakers plug into Tesla's EV charging network | Reuters

This thread is all about discussions on the current and upcoming battery technology. Much is changing and fast in the battery industry as we move from Liquid Lithium-ion to Solid State Lithium-ion. Discuss your thoughts and feelings here about this sector of the industry and how it will play out on EVs moving forward. Latest news is that Ford has signed a long term contract to use the Chinese CATL New Super Charging LFP battery cells. Quote: The new Shenxing battery is an LFP unit, which CATL says is the very first 4C superfast charging battery of that type in existence. It will reportedly be capable of adding up to 400 kilometers (248 miles) of range in just 10 minutes of charging and 700 kilometers (435 miles) on a full charge, which the company believes will help alleviate concerns regarding range anxiety and long charging times. Ford EV Partner CATL Debuts New Fast-Charging LFP Battery (fordauthority.com) CATL is expecting LFP battery cell production to start at Blue Oval City for use in EVs in 2024. But then we have the concerns of the politicians. U.S. House Expands Probe Into Deal Between Ford, CATL (fordauthority.com) QUOTE: The House Energy and Commerce Committee recently sent another letter to FoMoCo requesting more information from the automaker pertaining to its agreement with CATL, citing national security concerns as the catalyst behind this query. The letter was spearheaded by Energy and Commerce Chair Cathy McMorris Rodgers, along with 25 of her colleagues. “While Ford has labeled this project a ‘commitment to American manufacturing’ and asserts it will create 2,500 new American jobs, we are concerned that Ford’s partnership with a Chinese company could aid China’s efforts to expand its control over United States electric vehicle supply chains and jeopardize national security by furthering dependence on China,” the letter reads. Ford has stated the following: Ford has maintained that CATL won’t have any stake in the new plant, and also that it won’t receive any sort of as part of this deal. Rather, the automaker insists that it will merely use technology licensed from CATL to build LFP batteries at its new plant, which will be used to power future all-electric vehicles. So how do you feel about an American company licensing tech from the Chinese and calling it American made due to creation of the end product here in the U.S. by Americans with Royalty paid to a Chinese company? Sound off on the Tech and who owns it and why.

Two really good reads that I wanted to share here: Charged EVs | EV charging is changing, Part 1: How automakers' disappointment in Electrify America drove them into Tesla’s arms - Charged EVs Charged EVs | EV charging is changing, Part 2: No, NACS is not today’s Tesla connector - Charged EVs

Hahaha I certainly won't expect it but it can't hurt to ask! My last rental from Ford was an EcoSport... Last rental from Lincoln was an MKX or Corsair. I've had both but I don't know the order.

Keep dreaming lol! you'll end up in an old fusion or escape.

I'll have to do that. I have to call them up and check on a recall issue anyway and see when they can get me in. I wonder if they'd let me take one home overnight as a loaner vehicle...that'd rock.

Well, if it is a dealer that you pass by on occasion, stop in and peek at the window sticker and let us know.

This is how it's showing on their site. To me, it doesn't look like any ADM.

"Fleet" can really mean anything. A plumbing business with three trucks qualifies. I wonder if there is any ADM on them. A lot of times it won't be reflected on the website, it will be a sticker next to the monroney in the window.

Not sure if this really pertains to this topic of not buuuuuut, my local Ford dealership has 3 Mach-e's and 1 Lightning right now. It seems kind of odd for a small town of ~10,000 people. Yeah, we usually get these but it seems odd to have so many EVs all at one time. The Mach-e's have been here for probably 2, maybe 3, weeks, at this point. The Lightning has only been there for a few days. After going to the dealer's website, it looks like they have two more Mach-e's "in transit". The Lightning is apparently a Pro, which I thought were reserved for fleets only...? They have $1,000-1,100 in rebates on these EVs as of me writing this. I find it funny the description on their website for the Lightning Pro. ?

Fisker and Rivian plan to offer it in an OTA update.