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    Quick Drive: Alfa Romeo Giulia Ti Sport Q4

      Not perfect, but quirky in an Italian way.

    This short drive, I drove something I didn’t think I ever would. It wasn't a six-figure super car that can do over 200 mph. No, I never thought I would be driving a modern Alfa Romeo in the United States. For the last 10 years, only two Alfa Romeos have made it to our shores carrying ridiculous price tags. Now, Alfa Romeo is taking a stand with its new Giulia sedan and it’s not what I expected.

    That isn’t a bad thing. What I expected was the same old stereotype of every Italian sedan. Beautiful design and leather, electronics that don’t work and eventually can’t keep up with the Germans. In terms of style, the Giulia isn’t actually pretty. In fact, I would say it seems a bit tame. I understand why they would stay a bit conservative coming back into the market, and the styling cues on the top-of-the-line Quadrifoglio are more dramatic. The front end is classic Alfa Romeo with its upside-down triangle grill.

    Hop inside and the first thing you see is a rather large steering wheel. Alfa probably figured that if Ferrari puts their start/stop button on their steering wheel, why shouldn’t they? The gauges are large and clear as is the 8.8” widescreen display right next to them. Place your hand behind the shifter and a large disc controls that display similar to the systems in Mercedes-Benz and BMW. Sadly, while everything in the front of the cabin feels modern, the navigation system looks like it came from the early 2000s. The graphics aren’t quite as detailed as its rivals but the system does work well .

    Once you turn the Giulia on, the magic starts to happen. The steering is sharp and direct. Stomp on the gas pedal and the 2.0-liter turbocharged inline four sounds fantastic. The engine produces 280 horsepower and 306 lb-ft of torque at 2,000 rpm. Combine this with both all-wheel-drive and an 8-speed automatic, Alfa claims 60mph will be hit in around the 5 second mark. While driving the car, you get the feeling that the spark is really coming back with Alfa Romeo. No longer do you have to pine for an Italian vehicle that is usable but not too quirky like a Fiat. Shifting gears can be done with the oversized paddle shifters or with the gear selector. I found the paddle shifters to be a bit too big but they worked well.

    While driving, you will notice a rotary nob with “DNA” on it. D is for Dynamic, N is for Natural, and A is for Advanced Efficiency. Since the weather was dry, I did half of my drive in Normal and half in Dynamic. If this was my vehicle, I would keep it in Dynamic at all times since Dynamic has a sharper throttle and a more robust exhaust note. As for efficiency, the two-liter engine is rated at 22 mpg city and 31 mpg highway.

    This particular Alfa Romeo did have a few features worth mentioning. First is the 900-watt Harmon/Kardon 14-speaker sound system. There also was a panoramic sunroof (which in my tester was broken. Not a good sign before driving it). It also had the Driver Assistance Dynamic and Driver Assistance Static Packages. Dynamic gets you adaptive cruise control, automatic high beam headlight control, and forward collision warning. Static gets you blind spot monitoring and cross pass detection. There were also the beautiful 19” wheels which made my test car look great.

    I left my drive wondering how this will do against competition. Pin it against German rivals and I think the Giulia can go blow-for-blow against them. It may not have all the safety of a Mercedes or a complex all-wheel-drive system of an Audi, but the way that it drives, stops, and corners makes up for it. Finally, we have an Italian sedan that is attainable. Hopefully it doesn't suffer from "Alfa-itus" of older Alfa Romeos.

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    On 3/20/2017 at 8:19 AM, Stew said:

    And the one in the big test had no issues.  Again, first year models, any car suffer.  13 Escapes and Focuses suffered issue after issue and recall after recall, and yes, the Vette issue IS relevant because like the Alfa, it is low production.  And it is certainly comparable to the ATS which my brother's, BTW, started throwing codes again this weekend.  Of course it isn't a first year model and these kind of glitches should have been worked out at least before the 3rd model year.  Again, you can't damn one manufacturer and ignore the rest because it suits your needs at the time........

    They suffered later in customers' hands not before they even leave the road testers' hands. 

    I did see a blue quatrifugiloioiisels last week and I about $h! my pants. Beautiful car. 

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    On 3/22/2017 at 9:07 AM, surreal1272 said:

     

    Of course not. I wouldn't want the bread to fall apart for no good reason lol!

    :roflmao:

    On 3/22/2017 at 1:09 PM, surreal1272 said:

    GM needs to pull their heads out of their asses and build this already! Best looking Buick since the 80s GNX!

    It's beautiful but who's buying this over a Camaro or Vette? Assuming it's another Alfa GM. 

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    On 3/22/2017 at 0:54 PM, dfelt said:

    PASS, Hate the Predator look. But I raise you one sexy Silver Frost CTS-V Coupe! 

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    This is so superior to Alfa! :metal: 

    If there's one thing I think Cadillac can improve 100% on, it's turning a sedan into a coupe. Their coupes are atrocious to me but their sedans are sexy as F. 

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    8 hours ago, ccap41 said:

    :roflmao:

    It's beautiful but who's buying this over a Camaro or Vette? Assuming it's another Alfa GM. 

    Regardless of the platform, it is a totally different look and with the GNX name on it, it would carry plenty of appeal with it as well. It could be done IMO but it's all moot at this point since GM currently has no interest in exploring that option. 

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    On 3/26/2017 at 3:07 AM, ccap41 said:

    They suffered later in customers' hands not before they even leave the road testers' hands. 

    I did see a blue quatrifugiloioiisels last week and I about $h! my pants. Beautiful car. 

    As did the Corvettes and apparently now GT350s......

    On 3/26/2017 at 3:22 AM, ccap41 said:

    If there's one thing I think Cadillac can improve 100% on, it's turning a sedan into a coupe. Their coupes are atrocious to me but their sedans are sexy as F. 

    I think the got the ATS coupe perfect.  The problem with the CTS coupe was he ear overhang was way too shot and it made it look like a hatchback with the wrapover taillights. 

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    1 hour ago, Stew said:

    As did the Corvettes and apparently now GT350s......

    I think the got the ATS coupe perfect.  The problem with the CTS coupe was he ear overhang was way too shot and it made it look like a hatchback with the wrapover taillights. 

    Fake news.

    The GT350 aren't " suffering " in road testers hands like the aforementioned Alfa ( and Corvettes ) at, for example Motor Trend.

     

     

     

     

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    44 minutes ago, FordCosworth said:

    Fake news.

    The GT350 aren't " suffering " in road testers hands like the aforementioned Alfa ( and Corvettes ) at, for example Motor Trend.

     

     

     

     

    Aren't they having overheating transmission issues though?

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    47 minutes ago, ccap41 said:

    Aren't they having overheating transmission issues though?

    Yes. But Stew was painting an Alt Facts mural...

    I have yet to hear of Road Test Editors/journalists at M/T, C/D etc etc having issue like they had with the latest Alfa and Corvettes.

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    21 hours ago, FordCosworth said:

    Yes. But Stew was painting an Alt Facts mural...

    I have yet to hear of Road Test Editors/journalists at M/T, C/D etc etc having issue like they had with the latest Alfa and Corvettes.

    No, my point had nothing to do with publications, my point was cars having issues in the public's hands.

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    2 hours ago, Stew said:

    No, my point had nothing to do with publications, my point was cars having issues in the public's hands.

    Using false equivalencies to make a point doesn't help assist in making a point.

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    54 minutes ago, FordCosworth said:

    Using false equivalencies to make a point doesn't help assist in making a point.

    WTF are you going on about?  there was no "false equivalences).  CCap stated he public was having issues with the Alfa, i mentioned THE PUBLIC was also having issues with the Vette and GT350.  of course I mentioned Ford, LORD HELP US!!!!  You don't even like the mere mention of negativity on Ford's behalf so you try to turn things around put words in people's mouths to try and say they said something they didn't............

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    38 minutes ago, Stew said:

    WTF are you going on about?  there was no "false equivalences).  CCap stated he public was having issues with the Alfa, i mentioned THE PUBLIC was also having issues with the Vette and GT350.  of course I mentioned Ford, LORD HELP US!!!!  You don't even like the mere mention of negativity on Ford's behalf so you try to turn things around put words in people's mouths to try and say they said something they didn't............

    More often than not, the clarity of your posts/comments is atrocious. 

    The Alfa had its problems with Motor Trend Editors.

    Ccap mentions " They suffered later in customers' hands not before they even leave the road testers' hands. "

    You reply with  " As did the Corvettes and apparently now GT350s...... " 

    It is well know the Corvette, in both Z06 and base, had issues in the hands of Editors of both C&D and M/T. That is not the case with the GT350.

    Can you not see the importance of clarity Stew?

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    11 minutes ago, FordCosworth said:

    More often than not, the clarity of your posts/comments is atrocious. 

    The Alfa had its problems with Motor Trend Editors.

    Ccap mentions " They suffered later in customers' hands not before they even leave the road testers' hands. "

    You reply with  " As did the Corvettes and apparently now GT350s...... " 

    It is well know the Corvette, in both Z06 and base, had issues in the hands of Editors of both C&D and M/T. That is not the case with the GT350.

    Can you not see the importance of clarity Stew?

    Since the latter had already been beat to death, my point was pretty clear.  I assumed you would be able to understand that, sorry I didn't spell it out with a ridiculously long and overbearing reply outlining every nuance of the reply and the specifics of the thought that led to the reply. 

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    1 minute ago, Stew said:

    Since the latter had already been beat to death, my point was pretty clear.  I assumed you would be able to understand that, sorry I didn't spell it out with a ridiculously long and overbearing reply outlining every nuance of the reply and the specifics of the thought that led to the reply. 

    Apology noted and accepted.

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    1 minute ago, FordCosworth said:

    Apology noted and accepted.

    Whatever floats your boat........

    Also, i doubt any of the cars tracked by any mag didn't have the track package and most simply tracked GT350Rs so it is a moot point anyway. 

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    24 minutes ago, Stew said:

    Also, i doubt any of the cars tracked by any mag didn't have the track package

    That would only make sense.

    Spend 50k on a car but skip the 6.5k track package when spending 1k on track days and be surprised when it doesn't perform exactly as expected...on a track... Isn't them offering a track package in which it adds cooling devises telling that if you're going to track the car, buy that?

    I bet most, if not all, spent the 7.5k on the technology package though so they could have their infotainment screen "Sync" 'd to their phones while on track.

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    2 minutes ago, ccap41 said:

    That would only make sense.

    Spend 50k on a car but skip the 6.5k track package when spending 1k on track days and be surprised when it doesn't perform exactly as expected...on a track... Isn't them offering a track package in which it adds cooling devises telling that if you're going to track the car, buy that?

    That makes sense to me.  I do wonder why that stuff was standard in 16 though since they made it it standard in 17?  or did they just make the coolers standard while leaving the rest of the track package as an option?

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    7 minutes ago, Stew said:

    That makes sense to me.  I do wonder why that stuff was standard in 16 though since they made it it standard in 17?  or did they just make the coolers standard while leaving the rest of the track package as an option?

    On their website, building them, there is no Track Package option for the 2017's. So I will assume they added everything in the package and bumped the price up some because it is not 57k and it was like 48k in 2016(both base prices). But I also see the tech package is now "only" 3k compared to 7.5k. So they completely changed the packaging for 2017. It seems like they forced a lot of options on you and jacked the price up because of them. I'm not usually a huge fan of that. But I guess they "needed" to make the track package standard, because idiots.

    I just realized this talk is still in an Alfa thread.. lol

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    1 minute ago, ccap41 said:

    On their website, building them, there is no Track Package option for the 2017's. So I will assume they added everything in the package and bumped the price up some because it is not 57k and it was like 48k in 2016(both base prices). But I also see the tech package is now "only" 3k compared to 7.5k. So they completely changed the packaging for 2017. It seems like they forced a lot of options on you and jacked the price up because of them. I'm not usually a huge fan of that. But I guess they "needed" to make the track package standard, because idiots.

    Ahhh  it does seem they some nice upgrades to standard tech with the 17s.  Idiots are why there are do not drink warnings on shampoo remember haha. 

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    3 minutes ago, Stew said:

    Ahhh  it does seem they some nice upgrades to standard tech with the 17s.  Idiots are why there are do not drink warnings on shampoo remember haha. 

    Hahaha yeah that's true... People will sue for anything.

    About the overheating issues.. I'd like to see how Ford actually worded their "fix it yourself". If they said it like that or if they said something that mentions 'a track package that as additional cooling was available and the owners chose to not get this.'

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    1 minute ago, ccap41 said:

    Hahaha yeah that's true... People will sue for anything.

    About the overheating issues.. I'd like to see how Ford actually worded their "fix it yourself". If they said it like that or if they said something that mentions 'a track package that as additional cooling was available and the owners chose to not get this.'

    That is a good question.  Somehow I am sure a lot more was said.  I am guessing Ford will probably settle and end up adding he coolers to these cars.  Not that they should reall need to, but it is best for them to nip this in the bud and avoid the bad publicity and will be cheaper for them in the end. 

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    3 minutes ago, Stew said:

    That is a good question.  Somehow I am sure a lot more was said.  I am guessing Ford will probably settle and end up adding he coolers to these cars.  Not that they should reall need to, but it is best for them to nip this in the bud and avoid the bad publicity and will be cheaper for them in the end. 

    Yep, agreed. Just take the loss.

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