Quick Drive: 2017 Mazda6 Grand Touring

I eally like the 6, but it is dire need of more "Zoom Zoom". 

in terms of the tires, once the dunlops are done,..most anything will be an improvement. i put pilot sport a/s3+s on mine. much quieter. does have a ~2lb/tire weight penalty though. still love my 6, just need to fix or disconnect the passenger door sub.  any good advice to get this fixed by mazda,even though it happened after the mile warranty would be appreciated.

Nice car but needs more power as optional

LOL. That price is comical. Mazda is high. 

1 hour ago, Frisky Dingo said:

LOL. That price is comical. Mazda is high. 

That's MSRP, nobody pays MSRP

5 minutes ago, ykX said:

That's MSRP, nobody pays MSRP

It's still crazy. It's way higher than competitors. Mazda doesn't typically run real aggressive incentives, either.

Besides, it really isn't as amazing as people make it out to be. It wouldn't make the top 3 if I were shopping in this segment.

@Frisky Dingo

I disagree.  First of all if you build competitive vehicles with the same level of equipment the price will be similar or higher.  

Also, it might not be amazing but it drives very well for a 4-cylinder sedan and IMHO looks better then anything else currently in the segment (which is debatable of course).

In regards to incentives, last fall I got my dad 6 Sport for $20k. The MSRP on it was $23.8k.

On 3/30/2017 at 3:00 PM, ykX said:

@Frisky Dingo

I disagree.  First of all if you build competitive vehicles with the same level of equipment the price will be similar or higher.  

Also, it might not be amazing but it drives very well for a 4-cylinder sedan and IMHO looks better then anything else currently in the segment (which is debatable of course).

In regards to incentives, last fall I got my dad 6 Sport for $20k. The MSRP on it was $23.8k.

You can disagree all you want, but you'd be wrong. There is not a single other competitor than reaches this price when loaded up with all available options on the standard engine. The Fusion won't even come within 2 grand with the 1.5 equipped. Honda, Chevy, and Toyota are all between 30 and 32K.

@Frisky Dingo

Well, lets see

Mazda 6 GT starts at $30.5k.  The $2.5k premium package they have on this particular car gives you: regenerative braking system, active grille shutters, heated rear seats, heated steering wheel, nappa leather trimmed sports seat, led accenting.  Lets be realistic and say no other company will have such equipment on a base engine or even high trim car and most people will not take that package.  The standard Grand Touring has leather heated seats, led lighting, Navigation, Active safety system, 19-in wheels.

Accord, you can't even get to that level of equipment with 2.4L engine but EX-L has MSRP of $29.4k without the active safety  system that 6 GT has, so when you add Navigation and Honda Sensing to match Mazda the MSRP price comes to $30.9k.  So that's already a little more then Mazda.

Malibu  - you can't even get leather heated seats with base engine, you have to step up to Premier to get same level of equipment.  The MSRP goes up to $31.6k, and yes, you will have 2.0L turbo engine with 250hp.

Camry - XLE with 2.5L engine and same equipment as Mazda - MSRP $30.5k

So it appears to me that Mazda priced exactly as it should be.

@ykX

The Mazda's MSRP is 35K.

Some of the other cars have things you can't get on the Mazda, so it works both ways. And you can get heated leather seats with the Malibu's base engine.

5 minutes ago, Frisky Dingo said:

@ykX

The Mazda's MSRP is 35K.

Some of the other cars have things you can't get on the Mazda, so it works both ways. And you can get heated leather seats with the Malibu's base engine.

This is from Mazda's website for 2017 Mazda 6:

GRAND TOURING

1 minute ago, ykX said:

This is from Mazda's website for 2017 Mazda 6:

GRAND TOURING

Starting at $30,695¹

HWY35²

HP184

TRQ185

ENG2.5L

 

Also quote from the review above:

 

 

 

Before options and destination. As-tested it was 35K.

@Frisky Dingo

First of all, the tested vehicle had $2.5k extra package that most people will not get or need, Secondary, I quoted prices for other cars from their respective manufacturers websites based on MSRP before taxes, destination and fees, just like the Mazda.

So just to refresh your memory since you keep insisting, from THEIR respective  manufacturer websites:

Mazda 6 Grand Touring - base MSRP $30.7k

Honda Accord EX-L - base MSRP $30.9k

Chevy Malibu Premier - base MSRP $31.6k

Toyota Camry XLE - base MSRP $30.5k

@ykX

Malibu Premier has 2.0T and things like A/C seats that Mazda doesn't have. With all options, every single competitor in this segment comes in cheaper. 

Just now, Frisky Dingo said:

@ykX

Malibu Premier has 2.0T and things like A/C seats that Mazda doesn't have. With all options, every single competitor in this segment comes in cheaper. 

Listen, I am done arguing with you because you simply don't read what I have wrote and just keep insisting even when you are proved wrong.  I went to EACH manufacturer website and build a car with compatible options.  AS I MENTIONED ABOVE with Malibu, yes you are getting a more powerful engine, but not with Accord or Camry.

You are free to check options on the base Mazda 6 Grand Touring and build other cars with compatible options and see the MSRP by yourself. 

4 minutes ago, ykX said:

Listen, I am done arguing with you because you simply don't read what I have wrote and just keep insisting even when you are proved wrong.  I went to EACH manufacturer website and build a car with compatible options.  AS I MENTIONED ABOVE with Malibu, yes you are getting a more powerful engine, but not with Accord or Camry.

You are free to check options on the base Mazda 6 Grand Touring and build other cars with compatible options and see the MSRP by yourself. 

I did. They are all cheaper. Every. Single. One.

14 minutes ago, Frisky Dingo said:

I did. They are all cheaper. Every. Single. One.

No you didn't.

Here is from Honda website:

Your 2017 Accord Sedan EX-L CVT with Honda Sensing and Navigation 

@ykX

Last time I checked, $31,795 is less than $34,530.

1 minute ago, Frisky Dingo said:

@ykX

 

Last time I checked, $31,795 is less than $34,530.

You know, it is true what they say about arguing on the internet ...

1 minute ago, ykX said:

You know, it is true what they say about arguing on the internet ...

The only one arguing is you. I'm simply presenting facts. It's more expensive than rivals. And I for one, don't believe Mazda has the cachet or reputation to justify it.

5 minutes ago, Frisky Dingo said:

@ykX

 

Last time I checked, $31,795 is less than $34,530.

Easy there Frisky... Maths aren't every body's strong suit.

@Frisky Dingo

You don't present ANY facts while I presented many, just to make my LAST point here is the one that I build on Mazda website

2017 MAZDA6

GRAND TOURING

Last I checked $31870 and $31795 are basically the same (Ohh yeas Iyou are correct Mazda came out whole $75 more then Accord).  Also, Mazda Grand Touring has much more equipment then Accord EX-L.

On ‎3‎/‎28‎/‎2017 at 9:13 AM, Stew said:

I really like the 6, but it is dire need of more "Zoom Zoom". 

Definitely needs a more powerful engine as an option. Something in the 230-240hp range would do well as Mazdas are typically on the lighter side anyway. Heck, they could probably get away with something like 215-220 as that's still a 30-40hp bump. (also just assuming tq would match or exceed the hp number)

4 minutes ago, ccap41 said:

Definitely needs a more powerful engine as an option. Something in the 230-240hp range would do well as Mazdas are typically on the lighter side anyway. Heck, they could probably get away with something like 215-220 as that's still a 30-40hp bump. (also just assuming tq would match or exceed the hp number)

They could and should put that new 2.5L turbo they have now in CX-9 into Mazda 6 as an option.

14 minutes ago, ccap41 said:

Definitely needs a more powerful engine as an option. Something in the 230-240hp range would do well as Mazdas are typically on the lighter side anyway. Heck, they could probably get away with something like 215-220 as that's still a 30-40hp bump. (also just assuming tq would match or exceed the hp number)

240 to 250 would be perfect I think.  it would equal or exceed the majority of the turbo 4 midsizers out there. 

On 3/30/2017 at 1:00 PM, ykX said:

Also, it might not be amazing but it drives very well for a 4-cylinder sedan and IMHO looks better than anything else currently in the segment (which is debatable of course).

Everything in this segment is just Meh! Driving is very subjective. 

Bill did a great writeup, but for the weight to HP to me it is not impressive and after having spent time in their cars lately, due to a family member asking my input on retiring her old Mazda 6 and what to get next. I was not impressed with the auto. Yes, many changes and some improvements as I did notice how much quieter this one is over the older ones.

Style = Meh

Zoom Zoom = Meh

In ending, all auto's have gotten heavy and fat due to Safety this, Safety that, they need to either go hybrid with proper electric motors to help with the initial momentum or put in higher HP engines. 

Right now the motor lineup in Mazda is just MEH!

48 minutes ago, ykX said:

They could and should put that new 2.5L turbo they have now in CX-9 into Mazda 6 as an option.

And then replace that new Turbo with something much bigger and better in the CX-9 as it is a dog in moving that pig.

Mazda isn't capped on the upper end by having a luxury brand above it.  They seem to be trying to creep into upper territory with loads of features.  They do seem to swap out some of the interior materials for better stuff as you climb the trim ladder. 

2 hours ago, Drew Dowdell said:

Mazda isn't capped on the upper end by having a luxury brand above it.  They seem to be trying to creep into upper territory with loads of features.  They do seem to swap out some of the interior materials for better stuff as you climb the trim ladder. 

and they are trying to bring a(or more) safety feature down a level every year...

but they also have pretty useless stuff in it too.  like an adjustable lumbar  support in the driver's seat that... doesn't hold position...aka, pretty useless.

That sounds like a defect.