Volkswagen Issues A Stop-Sale On TDI Models, CEO Apologizes

Dear VW, You want to overcome your back room dealing Nazi past and lying to the public till now, then hire an INDEPENDENT 3rd party company to investigate and state what should be done. Then incorporate it and FIRE all involved in this play.

Dear VW, You want to overcome your back room dealing Nazi past and lying to the public till now, then hire an INDEPENDENT 3rd party company to investigate and state what should be done. Then incorporate it and FIRE all involved in this play.

Uhhhhh...

 

 

Volkswagen has ordered an external investigation of this matter

 

Dear VW, You want to overcome your back room dealing Nazi past and lying to the public till now, then hire an INDEPENDENT 3rd party company to investigate and state what should be done. Then incorporate it and FIRE all involved in this play.

 

 

Uhhhhh...

 

 

 

Volkswagen has ordered an external investigation of this matter

 

DOOOHHHHHH 

Talk about totally missing the word External. I could have sworn when I read it, it was an internal investigation.

Glad to see external.   

Before y'all get excited, let's compare recent recalls:

VW: We lied.

GM: People died. 

#justsayin

Before y'all get excited, let's compare recent recalls:

 

VW: We lied.

 

GM: People died. 

 

#justsayin

Don't jump the gun..

http://www.environmentalhealthnews.org/ehs/newscience/2013/11/diesel-lung-cancer-deaths/

"An estimated 6 percent of lung cancer deaths in the United States and the United Kingdom – 11,000 deaths per year – may be due to diesel exhaust, according to a new study.

Emission standards for diesel engines have become more stringent in recent years, but their exhaust still plays a significant role in lung cancer deaths among truckers, miners and railroad workers, the authors wrote. In addition, diesel exhaust still poses a major cancer threat for people living in dense cities or near highways, they said.

...

In addition, people in urban areas face a lifetime risk of lung cancer that is 10 times higher than the acceptable risk used in U.S. health standards, according to the study. An estimated 21 per 10,000 people exposed to the amount of diesel exhaust commonly found near U.S. highways would be at risk of dying of lung cancer over their lifetime. That compares to the risk of one death per 100,000 people that is used to set air-quality standards."        

This mess is going to be a big litmus test for the concept of government regulation of the automobile. This isn't a situation like with GM, where the media talking heads already have it in for them. This is VW, the darling of the hippie generation who went on to infest the chattering classes.

I suspect that within five years, VW will have weathered the storm. Either the old hippies will circle the busses, or the buying public will shrug their shoulders at the EPA's screaming.

To VW, all we can say is:

Looks like others will have to show their cards soon as well,

https://www.yahoo.com/autos/why-vw-might-not-be-the-only-automaker-with-a-129578004067.html

Think what you want, but if Diesel was so clean, why are automakers lying about it.

VW stock down 17% today.

Looks like others will have to show their cards soon as well,

 

 

https://www.yahoo.com/autos/why-vw-might-not-be-the-only-automaker-with-a-129578004067.html

 

Think what you want, but if Diesel was so clean, why are automakers lying about it.

The same reason some manufacturers got busted for lying about FE-their marketing folks wrote checks the engineers couldn't cash.

My truck uses urea. Still gets awesome FE. Urea usage is pretty modest too

 

Looks like others will have to show their cards soon as well,

 

 

https://www.yahoo.com/autos/why-vw-might-not-be-the-only-automaker-with-a-129578004067.html

 

Think what you want, but if Diesel was so clean, why are automakers lying about it.

The same reason some manufacturers got busted for lying about FE-their marketing folks wrote checks the engineers couldn't cash.

My truck uses urea. Still gets awesome FE. Urea usage is pretty modest too

 

Sorry,

overshooting and then correcting mpg hybrid figures, based on the updated drive cycles of extreme variability like a hybrid.....is hardly the same thing as intentionally falsifying software to cover your lies, and the whole time you are spewing cancer causing emissions into the environment in HUGE numbers.

Ford has nothing to do with this news here.

Bring them up again and it's good for some downvotes.......and we all know how you lose it when you get downvotes.

Related story.  Things are far more widespread than we thought it appears.

http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/sep/14/nine-out-of-10-new-diesel-cars-in-breach-of-eu-pollution-rules-report-finds

VW stock down 17% today.

Yep. I saw that earlier as well. I don't expect it to go up for awhile either. At least until official fine numbers and whatnot get released.

Looks like others will have to show their cards soon as well,

 

 https://www.yahoo.com/autos/why-vw-might-not-be-the-only-automaker-with-a-129578004067.html

 

Think what you want, but if Diesel was so clean, why are automakers lying about it.

The same reason some manufacturers got busted for lying about FE-their marketing folks wrote checks the engineers couldn't cash.

My truck uses urea. Still gets awesome FE. Urea usage is pretty modest too

 

Sorry,

overshooting and then correcting mpg hybrid figures, based on the updated drive cycles of extreme variability like a hybrid.....is hardly the same thing as intentionally falsifying software to cover your lies, and the whole time you are spewing cancer causing emissions into the environment in HUGE numbers.

 

Ford has nothing to do with this news here.

Bring them up again and it's good for some downvotes.......and we all know how you lose it when you get downvotes.

I didn't mention Ford ONCE in that post.

Perhaps you've heard of Hyundai/Kia?

So, tell me... when do you get fitted for your tinfoil hat? :D

Turnips. Yeesh

 

Looks like others will have to show their cards soon as well,

 

 

https://www.yahoo.com/autos/why-vw-might-not-be-the-only-automaker-with-a-129578004067.html

 

Think what you want, but if Diesel was so clean, why are automakers lying about it.

The same reason some manufacturers got busted for lying about FE-their marketing folks wrote checks the engineers couldn't cash.

My truck uses urea. Still gets awesome FE. Urea usage is pretty modest too

 

I don't think it was as much of a lie as it was their internal testing procedure was just wrong, for all of them that had to make adjustments. But that's just my opinion.

If you're referring to VW, they're as guilty as sin. That software existed since, what, '09? I mean, this is a huge, and hugely deliberate, attempt to pull a fast one on the EPA. And mark my words, they will be hammered for it.

But they'll bounce back.

 

 

Looks like others will have to show their cards soon as well,

 

 

https://www.yahoo.com/autos/why-vw-might-not-be-the-only-automaker-with-a-129578004067.html

 

Think what you want, but if Diesel was so clean, why are automakers lying about it.

The same reason some manufacturers got busted for lying about FE-their marketing folks wrote checks the engineers couldn't cash.

My truck uses urea. Still gets awesome FE. Urea usage is pretty modest too

 

I don't think it was as much of a lie as it was their internal testing procedure was just wrong, for all of them that had to make adjustments. But that's just my opinion.

 

No matter what we all think, Bloomberg is now saying that VW is stating this actually affects 11 million auto's they made. Their stock has dropped 25% in the last 2 days so a Market loss of 25 Billion Euros in value. VW estimates 6.8 Billion Euros to fix. The following countries have now stated they will investigate and possibly fine VW. Germany, France, South Korea and Italy on top of the US and Canada.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-09-22/vw-to-set-aside-7-3-billion-as-diesel-emissions-scandal-widens

 

 

Looks like others will have to show their cards soon as well,

 

 

https://www.yahoo.com/autos/why-vw-might-not-be-the-only-automaker-with-a-129578004067.html

 

Think what you want, but if Diesel was so clean, why are automakers lying about it.

The same reason some manufacturers got busted for lying about FE-their marketing folks wrote checks the engineers couldn't cash.

My truck uses urea. Still gets awesome FE. Urea usage is pretty modest too

 

I don't think it was as much of a lie as it was their internal testing procedure was just wrong, for all of them that had to make adjustments. But that's just my opinion.

 

Ford took liberties when they were establishing mpg ratings with several hybrids that shared the same exact powertrains, batteries, etc.  That much is clear. But it’s not the first time automakers do this kind of thing when you share so much on a vehicle.  It turned out that the much higher sensitivity in mpg based on varied use, combined with the taller C-Max profile, simply over-emphasized the delta, and Ford re-configured.  Plain and simple.  High mpg is most sensitive to aerodynamics than most other factors.  Weight is barely even a factor at 65mpg, and we know this because when we add several passengers, are mileage barely changes.  But throw a roof rack on your SUV, and your will suddenly see a 3-4mpg drop just from that, as I did with my Explorer many times.

And Ford was clearly the target here, in this VW thread, even though our crafty Anti-Fordite did not say the four letter word….and I doubt there is one person here that would deny that.

Back to VW.

Yeah, Ouch.

Criminal prosecution is next up they say.

Of course, as mentioned, that is nothing compared to over-reaching with mpg’s…..for ‘some brands.’

LOL

Hey, I didn't make you look like a moron. That was all on you.

Sure was funny to watch you absolutely lose it tho :D

And since you brought it up... Ford was as underhanded as VW.

 

 

 

Looks like others will have to show their cards soon as well,

 

 

https://www.yahoo.com/autos/why-vw-might-not-be-the-only-automaker-with-a-129578004067.html

 

Think what you want, but if Diesel was so clean, why are automakers lying about it.

The same reason some manufacturers got busted for lying about FE-their marketing folks wrote checks the engineers couldn't cash.

My truck uses urea. Still gets awesome FE. Urea usage is pretty modest too

 

I don't think it was as much of a lie as it was their internal testing procedure was just wrong, for all of them that had to make adjustments. But that's just my opinion.

 

Ford took liberties when they were establishing mpg ratings with several hybrids that shared the same exact powertrains, batteries, etc.  That much is clear. But it’s not the first time automakers do this kind of thing when you share so much on a vehicle.  It turned out that the much higher sensitivity in mpg based on varied use, combined with the taller C-Max profile, simply over-emphasized the delta, and Ford re-configured.  Plain and simple.  High mpg is most sensitive to aerodynamics than most other factors.  Weight is barely even a factor at 65mpg, and we know this because when we add several passengers, are mileage barely changes.  But throw a roof rack on your SUV, and your will suddenly see a 3-4mpg drop just from that, as I did with my Explorer many times.

 

And Ford was clearly the target here, in this VW thread, even though our crafty Anti-Fordite did not say the four letter word….and I doubt there is one person here that would deny that.

 

Back to VW.

 

Yeah, Ouch.

Criminal prosecution is next up they say.

 

 

Of course, as mentioned, that is nothing compared to over-reaching with mpg’s…..for ‘some brands.’

 

LOL

 

Absolutely aero plays a MAJOR factor in fuel mileage. Just take a glance at an instant mpg readout going with and against the wind to find that out.

I also didn't realize THAT was their error in measuring/testing the ratings on those cars and it is good to know. Thanks for the insight.

Aaaaaaaaand somebody is already gone.

http://jalopnik.com/vw-ceo-martin-wintekorn-being-replaced-by-matthias-muel-1732285443

Their stock has dropped 25% in the last 2 days...

17% yesterday, 15.5% today

$36.31 Friday, 25.44 now. 

25 billion Euro's worth of value in half a week. Insane.

This was to good not to copy from the other discussion thread from jalopnik.