Toyota bZ4X BEV Details Released

Edsel featured here recently looks world's more appealing than this hot grey mess.

And... a 185" SUV that weights 5000 lbs. Wonderful.

7 hours ago, balthazar said:

Edsel featured here recently looks world's more appealing than this hot grey mess.

And... a 185" SUV that weights 5000 lbs. Wonderful.

It is quite a busy design...but it is pretty light weight as far as BEV CUVs go.  the 4 target values make for some interesting marketing-speak.  

Model S is a foot longer and weighs 300-500 lbs less.

1 hour ago, balthazar said:

Model S is a foot longer and weighs 300-500 lbs less.

You're taking the Bill Wise mantle in stride aren't you? The S weighs less because of two things:

 1. It is a sedan while this is a CUV/SUV (Toyota calls it an SUV). Length does not factor that heavily here.

2. The Model S is built cheap as $h! to begin with hence that lighter weight. This has already been discussed on may occasions.

The comparison is like comparing an Equinox to the Malibu. The Malibu is ten inches longer while weighing 300 lbs less in most trims. It is a pointless comparison, is the lesson here because they are two different types of vehicles.

Any other phantom complaints about the obvious?

toyoter certainly is no stellar build, plus its a full decade newer than the Model S. Just hoping the weight on these starts going the other direction from ‘up’.

It will be interesting to see how GM's competitor weighs...the Blazer BEV or Equinox BEV or whatever...I can't imagine it will weigh less.  I don't think they will be as obese as the Hummer or Silverado EVs, but I don't think they will be as light as the ICE versions...

15 minutes ago, balthazar said:

toyoter certainly is no stellar build, plus its a full decade newer than the Model S. Just hoping the weight on these starts going the other direction from ‘up’

Okay SMK, I am going to say to you what I have to him in these incidences. Until you have sat and driven said car that has yet to be sold here, you have no clue as to its "stellarness" in regards to its build. You are only using your past bias about a company you clearly don't like no matter what they put out. You are moving the bar too. You made a pointless weight comparison and now you are just saying to want them to weigh less (which you supported by comparing a sedan to a CUV). Just pointless and bitching for bitchings sake.

Interesting, looking at the pictures, I see the bZ4X I posted above has a charge port on both sides of the auto. I wonder if they are doing this to support shorter charge ports so you can charge from either side or if this is just a one off indicating that the side that is the drivers will have the charge port?
Yet the auto above is a right side driving with the dual charge ports. ?

I also have to state, I HATE that dash, so busy, cut up and messy looking.

OK, how about this?
The 185" long toyoter pictured above weighs more than my 241" long, full-frame 4x4 pickup.

I know, I know; not fair comparing a compact SUV to a full-size pickup; I'll stop now.

11 minutes ago, balthazar said:

OK, how about this?
The 185" long toyoter pictured above weighs more than my 241" long, full-frame 4x4 pickup.

I know, I know; not fair comparing a compact SUV to a full-size pickup; I'll stop now.

Isn't your GMC like 6500lbs??

29 minutes ago, Robert Hall said:

Isn't your GMC like 6500lbs??

According to the web site, 5,270lbs dry weight for a 1500, diesel 3.0L crew cab with standard box. 24-gallon gas tank, so another 192 lbs if the tank is full. Still I am surprised at how heavy this Compact BEV is compared to the competition out there.

Just compared to the Compact ID.4 the Toyota Looses. ID.4 rwd is 4,698 lbs compared to the FWD Toyota at 4,839, then you have the awd comparison, ID.4 is 4884 and bZ4X is 5,016 lbs. I know that the Korean versions are also right in the same weight as the VW, so Toyota is moving much more weight.

1 hour ago, balthazar said:

OK, how about this?
The 185" long toyoter pictured above weighs more than my 241" long, full-frame 4x4 pickup.

I know, I know; not fair comparing a compact SUV to a full-size pickup; I'll stop now.

Your truck does not weigh less than 5000 lbs. and now you are conflating, deflecting, and moving the bar all at once. And big shock on any pick up being lighter. Sure, its longer but it also that has that big empty ass bed back there so again, not even close to apples to apples. Hell by your logic, a Tahoe is too heavy since its 30 inches shorter than your truck yet weighs up to 700 lbs more. Maybe you really should stop now since you apparently just love going out of your way to take any $h! on any EV without proper context (most of the time) or merit. Your initial comparo was dumb, end of story. The biggest problem with your "analysis" is that you think that EV weight is such a big damn deal, in the first place. Again, it has been discussed (many times)why this ins't the issue you constantly make it to be. Don't know if you keep ignoring that fact or if you just want to be deliberately confrontational at every EV turn, but there it is.

According to GM, my '04 3/4-ton crew cab/6.5' 2500HD 6.6L was 5892.
This is supported, because going over the scale at the scrap yard (AFTER unloading), but with me & my tools in it, it weighed right about 6500. 

According to GM, my '21 1/2-ton crew cab/6.5' 1500 3.0L is 4867.

What did you guys see when you looked up GM-spec weights on specific pickups?

The 'trunk' on a pickup doesn't have a 'trunklid', but the 'trunk sides' are double-walled, so that's a virtual wash. It also has 3 layers of steel across the mid-section (rear wall of cab, double front wall of box), and the tailgate is double-walled. That more than makes up for 'not having a trunklid'.

...Tahoes ARE fat; wow.

1 hour ago, balthazar said:

According to GM, my '04 3/4-ton crew cab/6.5' 2500HD 6.6L was 5892.
This is supported, because going over the scale at the scrap yard (AFTER unloading), but with me & my tools in it, it weighed right about 6500. 

According to GM, my '21 1/2-ton crew cab/6.5' 1500 3.0L is 4867.

What did you guys see when you looked up GM-spec weights on specific pickups?

The 'trunk' on a pickup doesn't have a 'trunklid', but the 'trunk sides' are double-walled, so that's a virtual wash. It also has 3 layers of steel across the mid-section (rear wall of cab, double front wall of box), and the tailgate is double-walled. That more than makes up for 'not having a trunklid'.

Exactly how many more excuses are you going to make here? Duh! EVs are heavier than their IC counterparts. This is a shock to literally no one but you apparently.

And that bed and its "double wall" is in no way even remotely as heavy as the same back end of a Tahoe or an even closer comparo (since they are built on the same damn platform), a Suburban. A Suburban is closer to the length of your truck than a Tahoe and weighs more at 6,000lbs (minimum). Stop acting like these are equal here. FFS. You have 6.5ft of an empty space truck bed that you are attempting to compare to the rear of an SUV that has a roof, seats, airbags, insulation out the ass, etc. If you don't see how this DOES NOT COMPARE, then there is literally no hope for you here. 

The point here is that is ignorant to compare and SUVs weight to a damn pick up. It is just baffling that this has to explained to someone with such knowledge about cars over the decades. 

What's heavier @balthazar? An empty crate or the same size crate with several hundred lbs. in it (like seats, a roof, etc)? Apples to damn apples.

Anytime Balth brings up the weight of any EV.

OK, buddy; I'll go sit in the corner and think about my behavior for a while. 

15 hours ago, balthazar said:

Edsel featured here recently looks world's more appealing than this hot grey mess.

And... a 185" SUV that weights 5000 lbs. Wonderful.

The Mach-E is 4,920 lbs.  These EV’s are heavy.

10 minutes ago, smk4565 said:

The Mach-E is 4,920 lbs.  These EV’s are heavy.

Yup especially the EQS, that is one fat jelly bean.

45 minutes ago, balthazar said:

OK, buddy; I'll go sit in the corner and think about my behavior for a while. 

I’m sure you will lol…until the next time. 

20 minutes ago, smk4565 said:

The Mach-E is 4,920 lbs.  These EV’s are heavy.

Fun fact: All EVs are heavy. 

32 minutes ago, surreal1272 said:

Fun fact: All EVs are heavy. 

Looking forward to the use of Solid-state batteries where we can get more power in a much smaller package. That should help with weight reduction imho.

Thinking on this, Tesla says that the next Generation of Tesla Y that will be built with a front and rear mold piece and then the battery section that will now be a structural part will reduce the weight of the Y by 300 to 500 lbs.

If all auto companies move to a mold process of the front, mid and rear sections. WOW will auto repair get possibly fast in regard to accidents, but also more expensive as they replace sections of an auto.

70-part section of the Tesla Y on the left Compared to the single molded piece on the right.

The key is getting battery weight down.  The Tesla single stamp is good for weight savings, assuming the same structural rigidity.  The downside (to the consumer) is when those get hit in an accident and you have to replace a giant section of the car, the car is going to be totaled.  But then Tesla gets to sell another car, so they won't care.

18 minutes ago, smk4565 said:

The key is getting battery weight down.  The Tesla single stamp is good for weight savings, assuming the same structural rigidity.  The downside (to the consumer) is when those get hit in an accident and you have to replace a giant section of the car, the car is going to be totaled.  But then Tesla gets to sell another car, so they won't care.

The Model S weigh 4800 lbs which is basically the same as this Toyota. Their weight savings is mostly in the cheap build with the single stamp method being just for starters.