Century for the Next Century, Toyota Launches Century SUV

Does Toyota EVER create something in their OWN image when entering a new luxury segment?  Or do they ALWAYS have to copy somebody else's style?

This one looks like a Rolls Royce Cullinan

Although I must say, the Toyota looks to be more refined as a design.  But that aint sayin' much.

This is yet another reason as to why I hate Toyota.   They are afraid to use their own design languaga and would rather play it safe with someone else's hit and copy that.  

Toyota has been its best styling wise, when they have been PROUD of their OWN history and presented their OWN style behind the cars they design and sell.   

The front looks like a mix of Lincoln and Genesis styling cues.. 

And this photo got me thinking that the headlights would look great retrofit to a GMT-400 or GMT-800...

1 hour ago, oldshurst442 said:

Does Toyota EVER create something in their OWN image when entering a new luxury segment?  Or do they ALWAYS have to copy somebody else's style?

This one looks like a Rolls Royce Cullinan

 

Although I must say, the Toyota looks to be more refined as a design.  But that aint sayin' much.

This is yet another reason as to why I hate Toyota.   They are afraid to use their own design languaga and would rather play it safe with someone else's hit and copy that.  

Toyota has been its best styling wise, when they have been PROUD of their OWN history and presented their OWN style behind the cars they design and sell.   

Gotta keep in mind the Japanese culture of everyone fit in, never be negative and blend with the world. As such, they I agree they have copied and made it more refined of other existing products. Toyota has lost there way in some ways and create crazy Predator autos in others.

$170k for a FWD platform with a hybrid V6.  What a ripoff, at least the old Century Sedan had a V12 and it was something special for the time.  Probably should have made this EV since they are only making 3-400 a year and an EV powertrain would make it seem more futuristic, and smoother and quieter which you want from a chauffeur driving car. I guess the Japanese government and some CEOs will buy it regardless just to be seen in a Japanese car, and not a Mercedes, Bentley or Rolls.

Toyota Century | Functions & Performance | Driving Performance | Toyota Motor Corporation Website

12 hours ago, smk4565 said:

$170k for a FWD platform with a hybrid V6

Just popping in to give SMK his daily dose of "being wrong" x2.

One, The Century Sedan is still being sold along side the SUV. This is not a replacement.

Two, it is using the TNGA platform, which is used in FWD, RWD, and AWD applications, from the Prius to the upcoming Land Cruiser. This is not "$170k for a FWD platform".

35 minutes ago, surreal1272 said:

One, The Century Sedan is still being sold along side the SUV. This is not a replacement.

Two, it is using the TNGA platform, which is used in FWD, RWD, and AWD applications, from the Prius to the upcoming Land Cruiser. This is not "$170k for a FWD platform".

 

 

I am glad the Century sedan has not been replaced.  Who misses the V12?!  I also did not know that the TNGA platform was FWD and RWD and AWD.

I hope Toyota eventually brings the Century line to the U.S. I think it would do well.

4 hours ago, David said:

I hope Toyota eventually brings the Century line to the U.S. I think it would do well.

The Lexus LX doesn't do that great here and this is double the money.

With a new front end this could be a good range topper for Lexus above the LX..

On 9/7/2023 at 2:34 PM, smk4565 said:

The Lexus LX doesn't do that great here and this is double the money.

How do you know it did not do that great? What proof do you have cause if you sight low sales numbers then we have to say that Mercedes is failing due to all the models with low sales numbers. Same with BMW, Audi, Cadillac, etc.

9 hours ago, David said:

How do you know it did not do that great? What proof do you have cause if you sight low sales numbers then we have to say that Mercedes is failing due to all the models with low sales numbers. Same with BMW, Audi, Cadillac, etc.

The LX has traditionally been in the 4-5k units per year in the USA, where as the GLS and Escalade are usually more like 20-30,000 and 40,000 recently for Escalade.  And the GLS has 11,204 first half of of this year, but they also have 5,500 EQS SUV, so if you put them together they are at 16,700 first half of this year compared to 4500 over at Lexus.  

And the Century isn't a Tundra platform and engine, it is a Grand Highlander chassis and engine for $179,000.  It would be like Chevrolet selling a $179,000 Traverse turbo 4-cylinder hybrid. 

1 hour ago, smk4565 said:

The LX has traditionally been in the 4-5k units per year in the USA, where as the GLS and Escalade are usually more like 20-30,000 and 40,000 recently for Escalade.  And the GLS has 11,204 first half of of this year, but they also have 5,500 EQS SUV, so if you put them together they are at 16,700 first half of this year compared to 4500 over at Lexus.  

And the Century isn't a Tundra platform and engine, it is a Grand Highlander chassis and engine for $179,000.  It would be like Chevrolet selling a $179,000 Traverse turbo 4-cylinder hybrid. 

Thank you for proving my point that you have no real knowledge that the Toyota Century does not make them money. Just like low production custom built autos from any auto maker, there could be various ways that the company shows a profit on these small production auto's.

15 hours ago, smk4565 said:

, it is a Grand Highlander chassis and engine for $179,000

See my post about the TNGA platform and stop spreading bull$h!. You are trying to think of this in traditional platform terms without knowing a thing about Toyota's actual platforms. Just skip the fact that they only have to hand build 30 of these a month and make hand over fist money on them. Hell, the sedan has been running on a hybrid V8 system since 2018 but you clearly didn't know that when you made your statement about it still having a V12. Again, just half baked statements by you.

On 9/6/2023 at 7:50 PM, smk4565 said:

$170k for a FWD platform with a hybrid V6.  What a ripoff, at least the old Century Sedan had a V12 and it was something special for the time.  Probably should have made this EV since they are only making 3-400 a year and an EV powertrain would make it seem more futuristic, and smoother and quieter which you want from a chauffeur driving car. I guess the Japanese government and some CEOs will buy it regardless just to be seen in a Japanese car, and not a Mercedes, Bentley or Rolls.

Since like 99.9% of your posts you never actually give facts or website to verify your information, lets take a closer look at the Century.

Century | Vehicle Gallery | Toyota Brand | Mobility | Toyota Motor Corporation Official Global Website

Here is the actual press release of the all new 2018 Century Sedan, the first redesigned Century in 21 years.

Toyota Rolls Out First Fully Redesigned Century in 21 Years | Toyota | Global Newsroom | Toyota Motor Corporation Official Global Website

At this time, Toyota projected only 50 hand built units a month would make them money in a very small market as they dropped the V12 last available in the 2017 model year. As @surreal1272 clearly stated, a V8 Hybrid system started in the 2018 and went through the 2023 model year.

Starting with the 2024 model year, both the Century Sedan and Century SUV will move to the V6 hybrid system. Quote: "Series Parallel Plug-in Hybrid System (2GR-FXS 3.5-liter V6 engine)"

Official Century SUV webpage for building and pricing out your Uber Luxury SUV.

Toyota Century | Toyota Motor Corporation Website

Official Century Sedan webpage for building and pricing out your Uber Luxury Sedan

Toyota Century | Toyota Motor Corporation Website

I do like it in the Red Mica

Toyota Century | Price & Grade | Toyota Motor Corporation Website

The Century has a certain elegance to it that is lost by the German brands in the last couple of Decades and Cadillac has recouped it along with Genesis.

I find it hard to believe the make a lot of profit on anything they are selling 30-50 units a month of.  Maybe on an individual car they can make $10,000 with that high price, but on 30 units, that isn't as good as selling 100,000 Corollas and making $50 profit on each one.

And no one outside Japan would buy this, because they aren't buying a Toyota over a Bentley or Mercedes-Maybach or a Rolls or anything like that.  Lexus has been around 30 years and never been able to really get above $100k price with the exception of the LF-A and if you option up an LC or LK, yes you can get them over $100k, but Lexus isn't out there with cars costing $200,000+ because even they couldn't sell them.  

1 hour ago, smk4565 said:

I find it hard to believe the make a lot of profit on anything they are selling 30-50 units a month of.  Maybe on an individual car they can make $10,000 with that high price, but on 30 units, that isn't as good as selling 100,000 Corollas and making $50 profit on each one.

Yeah, because it's always a good business case to NOT make money on your product FFS. They don't have to sell high numbers or anywhere else other than Japan, which is how it is always been. They will not move this out of Japan nor change it's hand built nature (hence the only 30 a month and hand over fist money behind). Just stop the hypothetical BS. The article can speculate all it wants but that doesn't make it so. They have ZERO reason to change the current business model behind the Century lineup and if you actually read about their history and relevance in Japan, you would understand why it's that way and will most likely stay that way. Until then, save the speciation, the misinformation, and just otherwise outright wrong statements, like you have peddled on this thread. It's just embarrassing. 

23 hours ago, smk4565 said:

I find it hard to believe the make a lot of profit on anything they are selling 30-50 units a month of.  Maybe on an individual car they can make $10,000 with that high price, but on 30 units, that isn't as good as selling 100,000 Corollas and making $50 profit on each one.

And no one outside Japan would buy this, because they aren't buying a Toyota over a Bentley or Mercedes-Maybach or a Rolls or anything like that.  Lexus has been around 30 years and never been able to really get above $100k price with the exception of the LF-A and if you option up an LC or LK, yes you can get them over $100k, but Lexus isn't out there with cars costing $200,000+ because even they couldn't sell them.  

Let's look at your math in this statement.

Century @ 30 sold per month, @ $10,000 profit = $300,000 a month or $3.6 million a year for a niche product sold in Japan to Politicians, Executives and families in the 1% bracket that want a hand built Japanese product, not something that is imported from Germany.

Corolla @ 100,000 sold per month, @ $50 profit = $5 million or $60 million a year for a generic appliance that requires considerable marketing, shipping to markets, etc. 

Yes, they make more initial profit on the Corolla, but they have costs that eat into that profit to sell this auto around the world.

You have stated that Mercedes makes the best in the world and people who have money want to buy the best. You are ignoring those that want a product from their home country and have no problem paying for it.

Same here there are those of us that will pay extra for American Made niche products of quality.

Many Japanese buy these Century autos for their status.

End of line!!!

1 hour ago, David said:

Let's look at your math in this statement.

Century @ 30 sold per month, @ $10,000 profit = $300,000 a month or $3.6 million a year for a niche product sold in Japan to Politicians, Executives and families in the 1% bracket that want a hand built Japanese product, not something that is imported from Germany.

Corolla @ 100,000 sold per month, @ $50 profit = $5 million or $60 million a year for a generic appliance that requires considerable marketing, shipping to markets, etc. 

Yes, they make more initial profit on the Corolla, but they have costs that eat into that profit to sell this auto around the world.

You have stated that Mercedes makes the best in the world and people who have money want to buy the best. You are ignoring those that want a product from their home country and have no problem paying for it.

Same here there are those of us that will pay extra for American Made niche products of quality.

Many Japanese buy these Century autos for their status.

End of line!!!

I am sure they make more than $50 per Corolla, but I was just using that as an example.  Heck they might even lose money on the Century at $179k, but I assume they wouldn't sell it if they lost money on it.

I get that people in Japan, or the Japanese government want a Japanese car, and that is why this exists.  My point is no one outside of Japan wants a $179,000 Toyota SUV. 

8 hours ago, smk4565 said:

I am sure they make more than $50 per Corolla, but I was just using that as an example.  Heck they might even lose money on the Century at $179k, but I assume they wouldn't sell it if they lost money on it.

I get that people in Japan, or the Japanese government want a Japanese car, and that is why this exists.  My point is no one outside of Japan wants a $179,000 Toyota SUV. 

That is a huge assumption that a hand-built luxury SUV from Toyota would not sell. As is proof with the Lexus Line, the Century SUV & Sedan could very well sell under the Lexus line in many markets and in some it would sell just fine as a Toyota.

I know for a fact that in Mongolia, having a Toyota pretty much means you have achieved the 1% crowd and Toyota is the product to strive for, not Mercedes, Not BMW, Not Audi, but Toyota. A few other products are like this, Jeep is one of those products that in Mongolia people with disposable income want a Jeep over Mercedes. This I know first hand due to my close Mongolian friends and having been there. It is crazy, but Toyota is what everyone strives for and even here in the U.S. Mongolians only want Toyota.

The Century will never go away from being a hand built ubber luxury auto line due to the Japanese Royal Family only gets driven around in Century auto's much like how our president only gets driven around in a custom Cadillac.

On 9/13/2023 at 7:08 PM, smk4565 said:

I get that people in Japan, or the Japanese government want a Japanese car, and that is why this exists.  My point is no one outside of Japan wants a $179,000 Toyota SUV. 

Your "point" was pointless as you have been told repeatedly, that it would never be sold outside of Japan (on top of being corrected over all your mistakes regarding the Century in the first damn place). Stop creating issues where none exist. FFS.