Tesla Model 3 Production Has Some 'Bottlenecks'

Yea, probably not good to do alpha production on your customers. Talk to GM if you want to know how to produce a EV auto properly.

Good car, but you have to get it to consumers for it to matter.

  On 10/5/2017 at 9:12 PM, smk4565 said:

Good car, but you have to get it to consumers for it to matter.

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Good car no radio?  LOL Rube

  On 10/6/2017 at 12:05 AM, ocnblu said:

Good car no radio?  LOL Rube

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In 2017...hell...in 2012...hell...in 2010...hell...in 2001

Do you really need a radio...FM radio...

But then again...you prolly think Jobs was a shyster too...

But seriously...

Why in 2017...we think that a DELAY in a FM radio downloaded program is a negative?

Like I wanna know why?

I mean...who the phoque in 2017 still listens to FM radio?

I get it that you are an old fossil

and asking you to use the clouds or the Onedrive thingy is an anathema for you...but you dont own at least a music player or USB key?

I even own a  USB key!!!

I aint a spring chicken myself either!

I don't understand how people continually forget the timeless truth  : Everybody is Different". In other words, not everyone else does/likes everything a given person does. It's like if I said 'who still goes to fast food places / why are they still around?' merely because I personally haven't been in one in like 5 years.

If "no one" listened to FM, there wouldn't be any FM.

I mostly listen to a few SiriusXM stations or my USB stick w 10k tracks.  I also have AM/FM, CD and phone as options.  But since I work from home, I'm driving very little currently.  But I do like having a lot of choices. 

88.7 wxpn BAYBEE!

  On 10/6/2017 at 1:07 AM, balthazar said:

I don't understand how people continually forget the timeless truth  : Everybody is Different". In other words, not everyone else does/likes everything a given person does. It's like if I said 'who still goes to fast food places / why are they still around?' merely because I personally haven't been in one in like 5 years.

If "no one" listened to FM, there wouldn't be any FM.

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True..

But...

1. I never said "nobody listens to"....

I merely asked a question....

Who the phoque listens to FM radio in 2017? Pinpointing to the fact that this device has evolved

Which I owned BTW...and to boot...

In 1986...my dad bought 1986  Chevrolet Celebrity with AM radio only...no cassette deck...

In 1986...FM radio/cassette was still an option...

Think about that for awhile...

In the late 1960s...FM radio became a thing with the youth...STEREO was THE advantage...

This was in 1986 and FM radio was still an option in cars...

Joplin, Hendrix had come and gone...Presley died...

Kiss was no longer that popular in 1986...

1986...Top Gun was THE blockbuster movie...But Michael Jackson's Thriller was sooooooo old news...

Hell...even the Walkman was old news...

And sooooo much groundbreaking FM music had passed us by from the late 60's to the mid '80s yet in the Celebrity for 1986...FM radio was an option...and that Walkman...only carried about 10 songs...

iCloud and USB sticks and better Walkmans but just as passé technology in MP3 players exist today in that I dont think that we should be complaining...

What we SHOULD be complaining about is the fact that that center screen is the ONLY thing that controls the Model 3's stuff...and THAT is a tragedy and travesty!

  On 10/6/2017 at 1:56 AM, oldshurst442 said:

True..

But...

1. I never said "nobody listens to"....

I merely asked a question....

Who the phoque listens to FM radio in 2017? Pinpointing to the fact that this device has evolved

Which I owned BTW...and to boot...

In 1986...my dad bought 1986  Chevrolet Celebrity with AM radio only...no cassette deck...

In 1986...FM radio/cassette was still an option...

Think about that for awhile...

In the late 1960s...FM radio became a thing with the youth...STEREO was THE advantage...

This was in 1986 and FM radio was still an option in cars...

Joplin, Hendrix had come and gone...Presley died...

Kiss was no longer that popular in 1986...

1986...Top Gun was THE blockbuster movie...But Michael Jackson's Thriller was sooooooo old news...

Hell...even the Walkman was old news...

And sooooo much groundbreaking FM music had passed us by from the late 60's to the mid '80s yet in the Celebrity for 1986...FM radio was an option...and that Walkman...only carried about 10 songs...

iCloud and USB sticks and better Walkmans but just as passé technology in MP3 players exist today in that I dont think that we should be complaining...

What we SHOULD be complaining about is the fact that that center screen is the ONLY thing that controls the Model 3's stuff...and THAT is a tragedy and travesty!

 

 

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So many words... so little sense... my my

  On 10/6/2017 at 1:54 AM, ocnblu said:

88.7 wxpn BAYBEE!

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Well...we got CHOM 97.7 FM in Montreal...ROCK-N-ROLL

But...

I got a little gizmo like that...that has about 400 songs on it...

From disco, to 90s dance, to 50s, 60s, 70s, 80s all kinds of rock and soul and surfin' and doo wop and punk and hair metal and bubble gum and psychedelic and British Invasion and and rock-a-billy, to Greek, to French to love songs to all kinds of music really!!!

Downloaded from apps from Youtube or straight from my own CDs...

I dont use Onedrive or iCloud or streaming stuff...but I know it exists...

Artists themselves dont do the record company/FM radio station no more!!!

So I ask again...who the phoque uses FM radio in 2017?

Real folks do.  The ones who keep this great country operating.  Breadwinners.  Hard workers.  Americans.  However, pantywaists may not.  Not sure.  I'm not into them.

Having a touch screen control basic functions is risky, esp if the electronics fail or the screen gets cracked/shattered.  While it won't get cracked from dropping like a phone screen, I can think of some scenarios--say that an on-screen function freezes (like the nav) and the driver repeatedly punches the screen until it cracks (I could see myself doing this)  or the driver smashes a passenger's head repeatedly into the screen until it cracks...

  On 10/6/2017 at 2:09 AM, ocnblu said:

So many words... so little sense... my my

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That my friend just proves to me you aint that much of a musicophile...

You could wax poetic all you want about your 88.7 wxpn...but it means nothing to me as if you really enjoyed music...you would have other avenues to explore music...it aint the 1970s or 1980s anymore to have bumper sticker radio station call numbers on your car!!!

Its a by-gone era, dude!

OH LORT SON, WHAT ARE YOU YAMMERING ABOTE?

  On 10/6/2017 at 2:14 AM, ocnblu said:

Real folks do.  The ones who keep this great country operating.  Breadwinners.  Hard workers.  Americans.  However, pantywaists may not.  Not sure.  I'm not into them.

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Get within the times, dude.

From 1964...

Its 2017...

  On 10/6/2017 at 1:56 AM, oldshurst442 said:

I never said "nobody listens to"....
I merely asked a question....
Who the phoque listens to FM radio in 2017?

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My assumption was this was rhetorical. You know the medium exists, you know it lives via advertising dollars & ratings, therefore you know the answer is 'all sorts of people all over the country'. There's no other answer and frankly the question seems rather nonsensical. Just as asking 'who the phoque uses a USB stick to listen to music?' would be. 'People all over' is the answer to both.

in a industry piece from Nielson dated 09.01.2017 : 18-24 yr olds spend an average of 10.25 hrs/week listening to AM-FM.

Going back to Tesla, interesting how the company prefers quarterly numbers in contrast with everyone else.

Anyone know how the Model S & X saw huge jumps last month? If the demand was there, sales should have been excalating steadily prior to. Does Tesla offer incentive deals?

  On 10/6/2017 at 2:44 AM, balthazar said:

My assumption was this was rhetorical. You know the medium exists, you know it lives via advertising dollars & ratings, therefore you know the answer is 'all sorts of people all over the country'. There's no other answer and frankly the question seems rather nonsensical. Just as asking 'who the phoque uses a USB stick to listen to music?' would be. 'People all over' is the answer to both.

in a industry piece from Nielson dated 09.01.2017 : 18-24 yr olds spend an average of 10.25 hrs/week listening to AM-FM.

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Yes! But there are other avenues to get/listen to music...in 2017...and one buying such a downloadable vehicle because people in 2017 are comfy with internet related stuff and KNOW that Teslas are highly internet friendly vehicles and wouldnt feel constricted if in the beginning FM radio was not available to them...and in 2017...FM is not the 'end all, be all' of new music releases...or the go-to medium to listen to your fave diva pop star...as it was say in...1987..or in 1977...or in 1967...

But even if this happened in say 2007...not really that big a deal either...

Its a hella weird and kinda stupid...that FM aint gonna be available for the short term...because Teslas are sooooo incredibly internet friendly...but not so much of an apocalyptic event for an owner or potential onner of a Model 3 that @ocnblu or anybody else wants to make it sound like it would be...

So...I repeat...who in the phoque in 2017 still really listens to FM radio?

Your question was answered multiple times (even tho it didn't need answering at all).

"Hella weird and stupid" I could agree with. "Not an apocalyptic event" I would agree with also... but as you implied; shouldn't such an 'internet friendly' company have gotten this small factor right, out the door?

Tesla is still learning how to be an auto manufacturer... and they have a long way to go.

  On 10/6/2017 at 3:54 AM, balthazar said:

1. shouldn't such an 'internet friendly' company have gotten this small factor right, out the door?

2. Tesla is still learning how to be an auto manufacturer... and they have a long way to go.

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1. Yes! I would even say "Damn phoquing right they should have!"

2. And I could agree with this! I would even say "Damn phoquing right they have a loooong way to go!"

  On 10/6/2017 at 3:54 AM, balthazar said:

Your question was answered multiple times (even tho it didn't need answering at all).

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Well...maybe it was answered...maybe it was not...

If you and @ocnblu could admit that FM radio is not as a relevant music medium that it once was...even falling LOWER on the relevant scale than it did when MTV was introduced in the 1980s (obviously MTV is nothing now and FM radio bounced back by the 1990s when MTV decided to give us Bling That Car with that rapper or whatever it was called and Jersey Shore)...then and only then will my question will have been answered....

No; it was answered.

  On 10/6/2017 at 4:30 AM, balthazar said:

No; it was answered.

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I dont see you admitting that FM radio is not that relevant...so..no.

Maybe you dont believe what I said...but THAT dont mean it aint true what it is that Im saying...so...

https://hbr.org/2016/12/how-streaming-is-changing-music-again

There is all kinds of info there....and if one realizes what that means...

http://www.ifpi.org/news/IFPI-GLOBAL-MUSIC-REPORT-2017

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IFPI Global Music Report 2017

25th April 2017

Global Recorded Music Revenues Increase by 5.9%

• 112 million users of paid streaming subscriptions driving streaming revenue growth of 60.4%

• Digital income now accounts for 50% of global revenues

• ‘Value Gap’ remains biggest challenge to sustainable growth

• Read the ‘State of the Industry’ report here (English language)

The global recorded music market grew by 5.9% in 2016, the highest rate since IFPI began tracking the market in 1997, according to the IFPI Global Music Report 2017, released today. Total revenues for 2016 were US$15.7 billion.

At the end of 2016 there were 112 million users of paid music streaming subscriptions driving year-on-year streaming revenue growth of 60.4%. Digital income last year accounted for half the global recorded music industry’s annual revenue for the first time. Growth in streaming more than offset a 20.5% decline in downloads and a 7.6% decline in physical revenue.

Streaming is helping drive growth in developing music markets, with China (+20.3%), India (+26.2%) and Mexico (+23.6%) seeing strong revenue growth.

Record companies have fuelled this revenue growth through ongoing investment, not only in artists, but also in the systems supporting digital platforms, which has allowed for the licensing of over 40 million tracks across hundreds of services.

The industry is now working towards a return to sustainable growth following a 15-year period during which revenues dropped by nearly 40%. Success requires resolution of the market distortion known as the ‘value gap’ – the growing mismatch between the value that user upload services, such as YouTube, extract from music and the revenue returned to those who create and invest in music.

 

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f@#king Christ people. Are we spending 2/3rds of a page talking about whether people listen to the radio anymore? It’s a “DUH” kind of answer because obviously people still do just by the mere continued existence of the format. 

I swear, just reading the same damn thing about something that was answered time after time, makes my head hurt at the absurdity of it all.

No...it was NOT answered...

The  MAIN point that I want to say is that the  Model 3 NOT having FM radio is NOT a big deal BECAUSE FM RADIO  is NOT a go-to medium for music anymore...PEOPLE ARE TECH SAVVY IN 2017 THAT OWN AND USE OTHER INTERNET RELATED MUSIC MEDIUMS THAT FM RADIO TENDS TO BE SECONDARY!!!  SURE ITS STILL USED!!!

BUT...NONE OF YOU WANT TO ADMIT THAT AND ALL OF YOU ARE STUCK WITH THE SEMANTICS ONE BLOODY QUESTION!!!!

YOU THINK THAT IS FRUSTRATING???

TRY DISCUSSING SHYTE WITH SOME OF YOU WITHOUT THE BIASED BLINDERS ON AND WITHOUT THE STUPID SEMANTIC IDIOCIES!!!

  On 10/6/2017 at 2:52 AM, balthazar said:

Going back to Tesla, interesting how the company prefers quarterly numbers in contrast with everyone else.

Anyone know how the Model S & X saw huge jumps last month? If the demand was there, sales should have been excalating steadily prior to. Does Tesla offer incentive deals?

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I don't know what kind of jump you speak of but with all of the flooding in the past month some of that could effect that. Which is likely another reason the D3 did well last month as well. 

  On 10/6/2017 at 2:04 PM, oldshurst442 said:

No...it was NOT answered...

The  MAIN point that I want to say is that the  Model 3 NOT having FM radio is NOT a big deal BECAUSE FM RADIO  is NOT a go-to medium for music anymore...PEOPLE ARE TECH SAVVY IN 2017 THAT OWN AND USE OTHER INTERNET RELATED MUSIC MEDIUMS THAT FM RADIO TENDS TO BE SECONDARY!!!  SURE ITS STILL USED!!!

BUT...NONE OF YOU WANT TO ADMIT THAT AND ALL OF YOU ARE STUCK WITH THE SEMANTICS ONE BLOODY QUESTION!!!!

YOU THINK THAT IS FRUSTRATING???

TRY DISCUSSING SHYTE WITH SOME OF YOU WITHOUT THE BIASED BLINDERS ON AND WITHOUT THE STUPID SEMANTIC IDIOCIES!!!

 

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Thanks for proving my point Olds. You keep going on and on about something only you seem to give a $h! about while everyone else is trying to move on and talk about Tesla.

What makes the Model 3 not having radio a big deal is that it also doesn't come with Bluetooth. I could still stream radio stations(and stations all across the nation) if I could use my phone. Now, I'm not sure how this works because Bluetooth isn't standard..maybe it's an option.. I really don't know, but I remember reading FM radio and Bluetooth weren't on the Model 3. I don't know if that means there are options for those though.

I actually listen to the radio 90% of the time to my local ESPN station talking sports. The other 10% is Pandora.

Interesting that on their web page they say the Tesla 3 has FM radio and internet streaming.

https://www.tesla.com/model3

Yet the forums currently as stated here FM radio is not active yet and neither it would seem is the internet streaming options. Since there is also no BlueTooth connectivity, you have the built in WiFi and LTE connections as the only way to use your own device. Even though the auto has multiple USB ports, I do not find in the spec info that the speaker system can use it to play songs off a USB thumb drive.

The more I read on the Tesla 3 and how little it has to offer for the cost, the more the BOLT is a superior EV.

It would appear that using your WiFi connected Smartphone is the option to listen to music in this minimalist overpriced EV.

  On 10/6/2017 at 2:41 PM, ccap41 said:

What makes the Model 3 not having radio a big deal is that it also doesn't come with Bluetooth. I could still stream radio stations(and stations all across the nation) if I could use my phone. Now, I'm not sure how this works because Bluetooth isn't standard..maybe it's an option.. I really don't know but I remember reading FM radio and Bluetooth weren't on the Model 3. I don't know if that means there are options for those though.

I actually listen to the radio 90% of the time to my local ESPN station talking sports. The other 10% is Pandora.

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Thank you for actually giving me an argument...

But...Tesla offers free internet so...no need for bluetooth to use whether bluetooth is offered or not...

Back to square one...

But... @dfelt  answered this further...

So  much for people wanting to move away from  the FM talk, huh?

That would be 3 more people joining in on the fun...

Well...2 with actual responses and 1 to bitch about it...

  On 10/6/2017 at 2:41 PM, ccap41 said:

What makes the Model 3 not having radio a big deal is that it also doesn't come with Bluetooth. I could still stream radio stations(and stations all across the nation) if I could use my phone. Now, I'm not sure how this works because Bluetooth isn't standard..maybe it's an option.. I really don't know, but I remember reading FM radio and Bluetooth weren't on the Model 3. I don't know if that means there are options for those though.

I actually listen to the radio 90% of the time to my local ESPN station talking sports. The other 10% is Pandora.

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I agree. It’s such a small thing yet a huge deal that it is not included “out fo the box”. This isn’t a phone or a tablet waiting on a future firmware update to cure its ill. It’s a car from a company that prides itself on the newest tech yet is missing the most obvious tech there is. I’m guessing that this will be “corrected” and that both features will be available before too long. For now, it just seems like a glaring omission. 

  On 10/6/2017 at 2:52 PM, surreal1272 said:

I agree. It’s such a small thing yet a huge deal that it is not included “out fo the box”. This isn’t a phone or a tablet waiting on a future firmware update to cure its ill. It’s a car from a company that prides itself on the newest tech yet is missing the most obvious tech there is. I’m guessing that this will be “corrected” and that both features will be available before too long. For now, it just seems like a glaring omission. 

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I think it's just ahead of it's time.. Like Apple with ditching the headphone jack. Stupid mistake right away but I see Google is following along as well as wireless headphones are slowly becoming more and more popular. Similarly, radio. I don't think it's going to get the boot anytime soon but it does seem like a slowing medium as more and more phone plans are becoming "unlimited" allowing people to stream whatever they want wherever they want now. But, that's not exactly the case just yet. "Glaring omission" sounds about perfect. 

Suck it @oldshurst442, you're wrong. 

For what it's worth... I use both wireless headphones(gym) and wired headphones(work commute/lunch break) and would(will) be annoyed to not have a headphone jack...all the while I have an iPhone 6. 

Also, without radio and Bluetooth... does the car even have speakers?!?!? 

  On 10/6/2017 at 2:48 PM, oldshurst442 said:

Thank you for actually giving me an argument...

But...Tesla offers free internet so...no need for bluetooth to use whether bluetooth is offered or not...

Back to square one...

 

But... @dfelt  answered this further...

 

So  much for people wanting to move away from  the FM talk, huh?

 

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LOL okay this free internet will magically go from my phone to the car?? Or is it just through the car's system?  I don't know what kind of app situation the car has but if it has internet and has radio apps then there's zero issue because... IT HAS RADIO. 

  On 10/6/2017 at 2:56 PM, ccap41 said:

I think it's just ahead of it's time.. Like Apple with ditching the headphone jack. Stupid mistake right away but I see Google is following along as well as wireless headphones are slowly becoming more and more popular. Similarly, radio. I don't think it's going to get the boot anytime soon but it does seem like a slowing medium as more and more phone plans are becoming "unlimited" allowing people to stream whatever they want wherever they want now. But, that's not exactly the case just yet. "Glaring omission" sounds about perfect. 

Suck it @oldshurst442, you're wrong. 

For what it's worth... I use both wireless headphones(gym) and wired headphones(work commute/lunch break) and would(will) be annoyed to not have a headphone jack...all the while I have an iPhone 6. 

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Interesting side note, I’ve seen quite a few drivers wearing their headphones here and it is illegal to do so. I don’t get it personally as I like the full range sound in my car while still being able to hear what’s going on around me. Headphones would absolutely kill my ability to do that (my hearing is $h! these days, thanks Marshall and Mesa Boogie). 

  On 10/6/2017 at 2:56 PM, ccap41 said:

I think it's just ahead of it's time.. Like Apple with ditching the headphone jack. Stupid mistake right away but I see Google is following along as well as wireless headphones are slowly becoming more and more popular. Similarly, radio. I don't think it's going to get the boot anytime soon but it does seem like a slowing medium as more and more phone plans are becoming "unlimited" allowing people to stream whatever they want wherever they want now. But, that's not exactly the case just yet. "Glaring omission" sounds about perfect. 

Suck it @oldshurst442, you're wrong. 

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Actually...I said that too...that it was stupid and hella weird for them not too offer this right away BECAUSE Teslas are a highly downloadable and internet friendly cars...

so...

And I could have used the wrestling gif that I always use....but Conan and the math equations in the background seem more appropriate in this case 

  love you right back sweetie!

Oh sorry, I commute to work on a bus(well I drive 5 miles to the bus stop then the other 30 on the bus). I DO NOT listen through my headphones while I drive. 

Somebody needs to explain this... Tesla's very own website. 

  On 10/6/2017 at 2:56 PM, ccap41 said:

Similarly, radio. I don't think it's going to get the boot anytime soon but it does seem like a slowing medium as more and more phone plans are becoming "unlimited" allowing people to stream whatever they want wherever they want now. But, that's not exactly the case just yet

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I dont think FM will ever get the boot.

Radio waves...anybody can access those...Radio Shack helps you build your own radio...the internet will go down...radio waves...can ALWAYS be transmitted and received...

But the bolded part of your quote is all that I wanted to hear!!!

I remember FM radio being fun back in the 80s with local DJs and AOR stations...it all seems pretty boring and generic nowadays with so many stations owned by national companies like Clear Channel.  So many have limited playlists and play the same stuff over and over again.

 I do like once a while listening to local university public broadcast channels when they have blues or jazz nights..  I've seen people using earbuds and headphones while driving also, very weird. Sometimes on drives I listen to podcasts or music off my iPhone by pairing it to the car via Bluetooth.. 

Anyway, just random observations..not sure how any of it is applicable to Tesla, other than that since Tesla cars seem to appeal to a technically sophisticated market, most of their buyers probably are more likely to stream content than listen to FM, so no big deal if they can't get FM in the Model 3 at first...

Bluetooth not being available in the beginning may be problematic though for the Model 3...

  On 10/6/2017 at 3:05 PM, ccap41 said:

Oh sorry, I commute to work on a bus(well I drive 5 miles to the bus stop then the other 30 on the bus). I DO NOT listen through my headphones while I drive. 

Somebody needs to explain this... Tesla's very own website. 

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Lol. That makes much more sense. Wish I could do the bus thing but I hate the “clientele” that normally rides the bus around here. Nothing but tweakers and mental cases. 

AM radio has been in the cars from 1930s and still available today, and some people do listen to it.  While the quality is substantially subpar then FM it has way better reach then FM.  Electric cars temporary ditched AM radio due to interference but I think will put it back for emergency purposes.

FM radio is not going anywhere anytime soon despite streaming.  I think Tesla 3 for some reason could not incorporate it right away and will add it later.  It seems really weird to me though, Tesla needs to get its $h! together, a lot of companies soon will catch up with electrics.

@ccap41 Apple ditching headphone jack and now Google I think is a horrible idea.  It is not a "progress" taking away from a consumer a very useful option.  Samsung was able to make new phone waterproof and to keep 3.5mm jack.

For the last 3 years or so, I've listened to more AM talk radio than FM Music.  For music I stream Spotify for the most part.

  On 10/6/2017 at 3:31 PM, surreal1272 said:

Lol. That makes much more sense. Wish I could do the bus thing but I hate the “clientele” that normally rides the bus around here. Nothing but tweakers and mental cases. 

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The downtown bus is like that.. sketchy. 

The bus I take 75% of the people on it are from smaller suburban town of about 10,000. It's rarely over packed, sometimes it is though but I don't mind standing as I sit ALL DAY at work(it's only like that on the way home for some reason). Oh, and it has wifi. 

  On 10/6/2017 at 3:33 PM, ykX said:

AM radio has been in the cars from 1930s and still available today, and some people do listen to it.

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I still use it to listen to STL Blues and Cardinal games from time to time. 

  On 10/6/2017 at 3:24 PM, oldshurst442 said:

Bluetooth not being available in the beginning may be problematic though for the Model 3...

 

 

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The would be irritating...unless you could pair a phone via cord also. 

  On 10/6/2017 at 3:31 PM, surreal1272 said:

Lol. That makes much more sense. Wish I could do the bus thing but I hate the “clientele” that normally rides the bus around here. Nothing but tweakers and mental cases. 

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LoL...I haven't ridden a bus in the US since I was in college and grad school and took the campus buses around Kent and Ann Arbor.  They do seem to attract a sketchy clientele in the cities I've lived in.   I do like light rail, at least where it makes sense w/ my commute or life...I took it often in when I lived in Denver, to go downtown and other areas..never for work, though. 

  On 10/6/2017 at 3:10 PM, oldshurst442 said:

I dont think FM will ever get the boot.

Radio waves...anybody can access those...Radio Shack helps you build your own radio...the internet will go down...radio waves...can ALWAYS be transmitted and received...

But the bolded part of your quote is all that I wanted to hear!!!

 

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I thought the Rat Shack was a dead company? They are gone from Washington state, had a huge going out of business sale a year ago and Rat Shack exists no more. Did not find them in Oregon or California either.

Do they still exist?

  On 10/6/2017 at 3:52 PM, Cubical-aka-Moltar said:

The would be irritating...unless you could pair a phone via cord also.

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Sure...but will the Tesla Model 3 have the necessary ports to allow this?

@dfelt mentioned that even the USB ports on the Model 3 maybe suspect that the speakers  might not be allowed access to music files on USB keys...so that right there might give issues to people for not having FM radio...so Ill be willing to retract my previous statements...

  On 10/6/2017 at 4:00 PM, dfelt said:

I thought the Rat Shack was a dead company? They are gone from Washington state, had a huge going out of business sale a year ago and Rat Shack exists no more. Did not find them in Oregon or California either.

Do they still exist?

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I know in some parts of the US and Canada they have closed down...in Quebec they are still around...but with a French name...La Source.

But in Quebec too, in the last year or two...financial troubles have hit and closures have happened

Seems like they still exist in some states in the US, or sell their products in other businesses... I'd heard they were mostly cell phone retailers these days.  Haven't been in one since around 2000, lived near one then in Colorado Springs, used to pop in there occasionally.  They have a website and online retailing, it looks like...

  On 10/6/2017 at 4:44 PM, Cubical-aka-Moltar said:

Seems like they still exist in some states in the US, or sell their products in other businesses... I'd heard they were mostly cell phone retailers these days.  Haven't been in one since around 2000, lived near one then in Colorado Springs, used to pop in there occasionally.  They have a website and online retailing, it looks like...

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Yea, I saw they were online, I figure like CompUSA they became an online only company as I know their parent company Tandy died a while back.

It doesn't matter what kind of radio or streaming music is in it if the production line isn't running.   This is the problem Tesla has to solve, they can design the car, they have to produce the car.

Yes, back to reality, the challenge for Tesla is to scale up production and maintain quality.  Something other car makers have generally perfected over the last 100 or so years.   Not a small task for a small company...can they rise to the challenge of mass production?  Time will tell... 

  On 10/6/2017 at 2:48 PM, oldshurst442 said:

Thank you for actually giving me an argument...

But...Tesla offers free internet so...no need for bluetooth to use whether bluetooth is offered or not...

Back to square one...

 

But... @dfelt  answered this further...

 

So  much for people wanting to move away from  the FM talk, huh?

 

That would be 3 more people joining in on the fun...

Well...2 with actual responses and 1 to bitch about it...

 

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The only one that was bitching about it was you and your caps lock key. You had answer some several people. They just weren’t answers you liked. 

  On 10/6/2017 at 4:40 PM, oldshurst442 said:

I know in some parts of the US and Canada they have closed down...in Quebec they are still around...but with a French name...La Source.

But in Quebec too, in the last year or two...financial troubles have hit and closures have happened

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The Source is across Canada, owned by Bell Canada.