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    By William Maley •

    Sales Figure Ticker: February 2017

      Who had their heart broken in February?

    Maserati North America, Inc. - Up 49% (1,087 Vehicles Sold This Month, 26,942 Vehicles Sold This Year)
    Mitsubishi Motors North America - Up 38.8% (10,924 Vehicles Sold This Month, 17,381 Vehicles Sold This Year)
    Audi of America - Up 17.3% (9,102 Vehicles Sold This Month, 26,942 Vehicles Sold This Year)
    Jaguar Land Rover North America - Up 16.4% (9,231 Vehicles Sold This Month, 18,333 Vehicles Sold This Year)
    Volkswagen of America - Up 12.65% (25,145 Vehicles Sold This Month, 48,655 Vehicles Sold This Year)
    Subaru of America, Inc. - Up 8.3% (45,500 Vehicles Sold This Month, 89,379 Vehicles Sold This Year)
    Mercedes-Benz USA - Up 6.8% (27,383 Vehicles Sold This Month, 55,283 Vehicles Sold This Year)
    Mazda North American Operations - Up 5.9% (22,824 Vehicles Sold This Month, 44,522 Vehicles Sold This Year)
    General Motors Co. - Up 4.2% (237,388 Vehicles Sold This Month, 433,297 Vehicles Sold This Year)
    Nissan North America - Up 3.7% (135,740 Vehicles Sold This Month, 248,059 Vehicles Sold This Year)
    American Honda Motor Co. - Up 2.3% (121,686 Vehicles Sold This Month, 228,066 Vehicles Sold This Year)
    Porsche Cars North America, Inc. - Up 2.1% (3,637 Vehicles Sold This Month, 8,239 Vehicles Sold This Year)
    BMW Group U.S. - Down 2.5% (208,440 Vehicles Sold This Month, 381,052 Vehicles Sold This Year)
    Ford Motor Company - Down 4% (208,440 Vehicles Sold This Month, 381,052 Vehicles Sold This Year)
    Toyota Motor North America - Down 7.2% (174,339 Vehicles Sold This Month, 317,387 Vehicles Sold This Year)
    FCA US LLC - Down 10% (168,326 Vehicles Sold This Month, 320,544 Vehicles Sold This Year)
    Volvo Cars of North America, LLC - Down 11.6% (4,651 Vehicles Sold This Month, 8,123 Vehicles Sold This Year)
    Kia Motors America - Down 14.2% (42,673 Vehicles Sold This Month, 78,299 Vehicles Sold This Year)

    Hyundai Motor America - 

    Brands:
    Acura - Down 14.9% (10,864 Vehicles Sold This Month, 20,066 Vehicles Sold This Year)
    Alfa Romeo - Up 843% (443 Vehicles Sold This Month, 551 Vehicles Sold This Year)
    Audi - Up 17.3% (9,102 Vehicles Sold This Month, 26,942 Vehicles Sold This Year)
    BMW - Up 0.3% (22,558 Vehicles Sold This Month, 40,667 Vehicles Sold This Year)
    Buick - Down 9.4% (16,131 Vehicles Sold This Month, 29,248 Vehicles Sold This Year)
    Cadillac - Down 8.6% (10,823 Vehicles Sold This Month, 21,121 Vehicles Sold This Year)
    Chevrolet - Up 3.4% (164,095 Vehicles Sold This Month, 299,265 Vehicles Sold This Year)
    Chrysler - Down 28% (16,730 Vehicles Sold This Month, 30,107 Vehicles Sold This Year)
    Dodge - Down 7% (43,878 Vehicles Sold This Month, 83,987 Vehicles Sold This Year)
    Fiat - Down 19% (2,145 Vehicles Sold This Month, 4,309 Vehicles Sold This Year)
    Ford - Down 4.5% (199,696 Vehicles Sold This Month, 363,523 Vehicles Sold This Year)
    Genesis - 
    GMC - Up 17.2% (46,339 Vehicles Sold This Month, 83,663 Vehicles Sold This Year)
    Honda - Up 4.3% (110,822 Vehicles Sold This Month, 208,000 Vehicles Sold This Year)
    Hyundai - 
    Infiniti - Up 32.5% (13,737 Vehicles Sold This Month, 25,295 Vehicles Sold This Year)
    Jaguar - Up 130.4% (3,484 Vehicles Sold This Month, 6,423 Vehicles Sold This Year)
    Jeep - Down 15% (62,345 Vehicles Sold This Month, 120,760 Vehicles Sold This Year)
    Kia - Down 14.2% (42,673 Vehicles Sold This Month, 78,299 Vehicles Sold This Year)
    Land Rover - Down 10.4% (5,747 Vehicles Sold This Month, 11,910 Vehicles Sold This Year)
    Lexus - Down 20.6% (18,338 Vehicles Sold This Month, 33.910 Vehicles Sold This Year)
    Lincoln - Up 8.8% (8,744 Vehicles Sold This Month, 17,529 Vehicles Sold This Year)
    Maserati - Up 49% (1,087 Vehicles Sold This Month, 26,942 Vehicles Sold This Year)
    Mazda - Up 5.9% (22,824 Vehicles Sold This Month, 44,522 Vehicles Sold This Year)
    Mercedes-Benz - Up 6.9% (24,522 Vehicles Sold This Month, 50,049 Vehicles Sold This Year)
    Mercedes-Benz Vans - Up 10.8% (2,513 Vehicles Sold This Month, 4,562 Vehicles Sold This Year)
    MINI - Down 24.1% (2,154 Vehicles Sold This Month, 5,264 Vehicles Sold This Year)
    Mitsubishi - Up 38.8% (10,924 Vehicles Sold This Month, 17,381 Vehicles Sold This Year)
    Nissan - Up 1.2% (122,003 Vehicles Sold This Month, 222,764 Vehicles Sold This Year)
    Porsche - Up 2.1% (3,637 Vehicles Sold This Month, 8,239 Vehicles Sold This Year)
    Ram Trucks - Up 4% (42,785 Vehicles Sold This Month, 80,830 Vehicles Sold This Year)
    Smart - Down 17.5% (348 Vehicles Sold This Month, 672 Vehicles Sold This Year)
    Subaru - Up 8.3% (45,500 Vehicles Sold This Month, 89,379 Vehicles Sold This Year)
    Toyota - Up 5.4% (156,001 Vehicles Sold This Month, 283,447 Vehicles Sold This Year)
    Volkswagen - Up 12.65% (25,145 Vehicles Sold This Month, 48,655 Vehicles Sold This Year)
    Volvo - Down 11.6% (4,651 Vehicles Sold This Month, 8,123 Vehicles Sold This Year)

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    smk4565
    6 hours ago, FordCosworth said:

    Mustang - 8300

    Challenger - 6100

    Camaro - 4700

     


     

     


     

    How does the Challenger sell over six hundred units a month?  Who buys that thing?

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    ccap41
    15 minutes ago, smk4565 said:

    How does the Challenger sell over six hundred units a month?  Who buys that thing?

    I think you're forgetting that they make this gloriously American muscle car called the Hellcat.

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    21 minutes ago, ccap41 said:

    I think you're forgetting that they make this gloriously American muscle car called the Hellcat.

    Hellcat is probably 5% of Challenger sales.   Coupes tend not to sell much, full size cars don't sell and cars built on 90s platforms don't sell, and the Challenger is all 3 of those. I can only imagine they just discount the heck out of them.

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    7 minutes ago, smk4565 said:

    Hellcat is probably 5% of Challenger sales.   Coupes tend not to sell much, full size cars don't sell and cars built on 90s platforms don't sell, and the Challenger is all 3 of those. I can only imagine they just discount the heck out of them.

    Nah, probably Trumpflakes buying them to put new Confederate flags on the top and live in the past 40+ years ago in the South.

    :P :duck:

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    balthazar

    "The Challenger is an icon that it's customers love just the way it is".

    Sounds familiar? Except here, Dodge is moving boatloads, not a few hundred. Oh, and it's a half century newer than you-know-what.

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    surreal1272
    34 minutes ago, smk4565 said:

    Hellcat is probably 5% of Challenger sales.   Coupes tend not to sell much, full size cars don't sell and cars built on 90s platforms don't sell, and the Challenger is all 3 of those. I can only imagine they just discount the heck out of them.

    Part of it is their V6 fleet market but a big part of it is because it still has that look that muscle car fans love plus it is the most comfortable to live in, of the three, due to a larger interior. It's not that hard to figure out really. 

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    Dodge is selling LX platforms at large incentives and cheaper and it has a loyal base of large boomers that still fit in it. 

    A couple guys at work bought a couple this year and got them cheap. Few are Hell Cats many are V6 or base V8. 

    Camaro needs incentives in this market right now. It is the best but the price is also the highest. 

    This whole class would have died without the older conservatives. The Bernie people either don't have the money or they want to take it in taxes to pay for all the free government entitlements. Also lets not forget the regulations they would put in that would kill the cars in the name of global warming too. 

    Also don't knock the south. They are diversifying. Anyone see the Bernie supporter who stole the truck and did the Dukes of Hazard like jump and walked away once he was arrested. The only mistakes he made is one don't steal the truck after you walk away from work release. Also you need to make sure if you are going to do a jump like that at least get paid for it. 

    I was impressed how well the Toyota held up. It had to be 30 feet in the air. 

    As long as gas is cheap and the economy is going gang buster like we have not seen in 20 years truck and SUV sales will be strong. Cars will return if either parameters change. 

    I see Alfa is now up to 500 Cars sold this year. Sergio said he will sell 150,000 by next year here. I think he may need to take another pay cut. 

     

    5 minutes ago, surreal1272 said:

    Part of it is their V6 fleet market but a big part of it is because it still has that look that muscle car fans love plus it is the most comfortable to live in, of the three, due to a larger interior. It's not that hard to figure out really. 

    Fat boomers do not fit in a Camaro. Just say what you mean LOL! 

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    surreal1272
    53 minutes ago, hyperv6 said:

    Dodge is selling LX platforms at large incentives and cheaper and it has a loyal base of large boomers that still fit in it. 

    A couple guys at work bought a couple this year and got them cheap. Few are Hell Cats many are V6 or base V8. 

    Camaro needs incentives in this market right now. It is the best but the price is also the highest. 

    This whole class would have died without the older conservatives. The Bernie people either don't have the money or they want to take it in taxes to pay for all the free government entitlements. Also lets not forget the regulations they would put in that would kill the cars in the name of global warming too. 

    Also don't knock the south. They are diversifying. Anyone see the Bernie supporter who stole the truck and did the Dukes of Hazard like jump and walked away once he was arrested. The only mistakes he made is one don't steal the truck after you walk away from work release. Also you need to make sure if you are going to do a jump like that at least get paid for it. 

    I was impressed how well the Toyota held up. It had to be 30 feet in the air. 

    As long as gas is cheap and the economy is going gang buster like we have not seen in 20 years truck and SUV sales will be strong. Cars will return if either parameters change. 

    I see Alfa is now up to 500 Cars sold this year. Sergio said he will sell 150,000 by next year here. I think he may need to take another pay cut. 

     

    Fat boomers do not fit in a Camaro. Just say what you mean LOL! 

    Apparently a lot of people don't fit in one lol! 

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    hyperv6
    57 minutes ago, surreal1272 said:

    Apparently a lot of people don't fit in one lol! 

    Look around less are fitting a Camaro everyday. 

    This is not totally a joke. This is part of the reason for the rise of the CUV. 

     

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    There are a lot of reasons for rise o the CUV,  it is very possible that in 2025 sedans, coupes and convertible are less than 20% market share and CUV is like 60% with trucks the other 20%.

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    47 minutes ago, hyperv6 said:

    Look around less are fitting a Camaro everyday. 

    This is not totally a joke. This is part of the reason for the rise of the CUV. 

     

    For the record, I'm not a big person and I will take the Challenger first and foremost. 

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    35 minutes ago, surreal1272 said:

    For the record, I'm not a big person and I will take the Challenger first and foremost. 

    You can have mine. I never liked the new one and the low quality just sealed it.

    i would rather take the money and buy an older original one.  They got the styling right on the original.

    I drove an AAR Cuda a while back and it was a blast.

    If I were to buy new today the red with black hood on the SS 1LE at my local dealer would be my choice. 

     

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    3 hours ago, hyperv6 said:

    Dodge is selling LX platforms at large incentives and cheaper and it has a loyal base of large boomers that still fit in it. 

    A couple guys at work bought a couple this year and got them cheap. Few are Hell Cats many are V6 or base V8. 

    Camaro needs incentives in this market right now. It is the best but the price is also the highest. 

    This whole class would have died without the older conservatives. The Bernie people either don't have the money or they want to take it in taxes to pay for all the free government entitlements. Also lets not forget the regulations they would put in that would kill the cars in the name of global warming too. 

    Also don't knock the south. They are diversifying. Anyone see the Bernie supporter who stole the truck and did the Dukes of Hazard like jump and walked away once he was arrested. The only mistakes he made is one don't steal the truck after you walk away from work release. Also you need to make sure if you are going to do a jump like that at least get paid for it. 

    I was impressed how well the Toyota held up. It had to be 30 feet in the air. 

    As long as gas is cheap and the economy is going gang buster like we have not seen in 20 years truck and SUV sales will be strong. Cars will return if either parameters change. 

    I see Alfa is now up to 500 Cars sold this year. Sergio said he will sell 150,000 by next year here. I think he may need to take another pay cut. 

     

    Fat boomers do not fit in a Camaro. Just say what you mean LOL! 

    I brought my Malibu in to get fixed again today.  In the service bay waiting was a new Camaro.  It is such an amazing rig.  I looked in the window though, and there was barely enough room between the front and rear seats to slip a fed ex envelope.  As I drove home in my Malibu hybrid loaner, i came to a stop behind a fairly new Challenger.  It's a real sized vehicle.  It's taller and us older folks who cling to muscle cars like being able to sit up a little bit, and see out of the damn thing.  And it would it nice once in awhile on swingers weekends to be able to at least throw the women in the back seat.

     

    I think this gen of Camaro will become collectible for hard core performance geeks.  But i recommend Chevy / GM already getting dies set for a redesign of the body.....taller, maybe a WB stretch, and a shape that allows you to see out and have people in the back once in awhile.  A little trunk space too.

     

    Chrysler dealers were advertising 300 AWD's for 249 a month with 249 down......talk about making hey with an ancient platform.  That LX platform may outperform the W body if this keeps up.

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    1 minute ago, hyperv6 said:

    You can have mine. I never liked the new one and the low quality just sealed it.

    i would rather take the money and buy an older original one.  They got the styling right on the original.

    I drove an AAR Cuda a while back and it was a blast.

    If I were to buy new today the red with black hood on the SS 1LE at my local dealer would be my choice. 

     

    I will have to agree to disagree on the quality. The ones that I have been in were quite nice IMO but to each their own. Nothing wrong with an SS though by any stretch of the imagination.

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    25 minutes ago, regfootball said:

     

    Chrysler dealers were advertising 300 AWD's for 249 a month with 249 down......talk about making hey with an ancient platform.  That LX platform may outperform the W body if this keeps up.

    Wait, Chrysler will pay me $249 a month to drive a 300?  Intriguing deal, but still not worth it.  

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    5 minutes ago, smk4565 said:

    Wait, Chrysler will pay me $249 a month to drive a 300?  Intriguing deal, but still not worth it.  

    Chrysler made a great decision a few years ago when they reskinned the 300 and Charger.  The v6 AWD became the most popular powertrain configuration.  In these wintery parts, its a huge sell for someone who wants a car but in a market deluged with crossovers.  AWD and size on the cheap.  Now the Challenger has AWD too.  A pony car you can use in winter.  That alone should snag some buyers for aging boomers looking for a weekend go to see Jimmy in college trip / toy car kind of car.

    All Chrysler is really doing the last few years is straight out of old GM playbook.  Old tech, outdated stuff, sold with HUGE rebates.

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    All wheel drive does help sales, I agree there.  I have long said cars like Malibu, Impala, Fusion, even Camry and Accord should offer all wheel drive.  People are fleeing those sedans because they can get all wheel drive in a crossover.  When that is easy profit to charge $2,500 for awd on a Camry or Malibu.  If the 300/Charger were rear drive only they'd be dead right now, look at how the Avalon, LaCrosse, Impala and Taurus are dying on the vine, I imagine all 4 of those cars are dead by 2025.

    Just read the new BMW M5 will be all wheel drive, so even the car that founded the rear drive sports sedan has succumbed to the consumer desire for all wheel drive.  This is what will make electric cars appealing I think, you can put a motor on al 4 wheels and have all wheel drive.  Consumers will like that, once the batteries deliver the range.

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    hyperv6
    2 hours ago, surreal1272 said:

    I will have to agree to disagree on the quality. The ones that I have been in were quite nice IMO but to each their own. Nothing wrong with an SS though by any stretch of the imagination.

    Quality is based on friends and family with KC models. None are going to be repeat buyers. 

    The in laws new 300 is a really nice car and they paid a Malibu price but they have had more warranty issues than I have had on my last 4 new cars combined.

    Lots of electrical issues and several recalls,

    Even failure of the key fob. 

    Same for the guys at work with these cars , Rams and Jeeps. 

    Even the surveys from multiple sources list most FCA  product at or near the bottom. 

    As for the muscle cars they all will change as all are not selling well and all are only going to get more expensive. 

    They are dying because boomers are getting older and have moved on. The younger people either have little interest or if they do they can not afford them. The auto makers will continue to make these more into world class but affordable GT coupes and look to sell them globally to gain the needed volumes to keep them alive.

    2 hours ago, smk4565 said:

    All wheel drive does help sales, I agree there.  I have long said cars like Malibu, Impala, Fusion, even Camry and Accord should offer all wheel drive.  People are fleeing those sedans because they can get all wheel drive in a crossover.  When that is easy profit to charge $2,500 for awd on a Camry or Malibu.  If the 300/Charger were rear drive only they'd be dead right now, look at how the Avalon, LaCrosse, Impala and Taurus are dying on the vine, I imagine all 4 of those cars are dead by 2025.

    Just read the new BMW M5 will be all wheel drive, so even the car that founded the rear drive sports sedan has succumbed to the consumer desire for all wheel drive.  This is what will make electric cars appealing I think, you can put a motor on al 4 wheels and have all wheel drive.  Consumers will like that, once the batteries deliver the range.

    AWD is a very small in the total sales. 

    All sedans are dying in this time of low priced gas.

    2 hours ago, regfootball said:

    Chrysler made a great decision a few years ago when they reskinned the 300 and Charger.  The v6 AWD became the most popular powertrain configuration.  In these wintery parts, its a huge sell for someone who wants a car but in a market deluged with crossovers.  AWD and size on the cheap.  Now the Challenger has AWD too.  A pony car you can use in winter.  That alone should snag some buyers for aging boomers looking for a weekend go to see Jimmy in college trip / toy car kind of car.

    All Chrysler is really doing the last few years is straight out of old GM playbook.  Old tech, outdated stuff, sold with HUGE rebates.

    We know how GM ended up with old product and high discounts.

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    8 hours ago, hyperv6 said:

    Quality is based on friends and family with KC models. None are going to be repeat buyers. 

    The in laws new 300 is a really nice car and they paid a Malibu price but they have had more warranty issues than I have had on my last 4 new cars combined.

    Lots of electrical issues and several recalls,

    Even failure of the key fob. 

    Same for the guys at work with these cars , Rams and Jeeps. 

    Even the surveys from multiple sources list most FCA  product at or near the bottom. 

    As for the muscle cars they all will change as all are not selling well and all are only going to get more expensive. 

    They are dying because boomers are getting older and have moved on. The younger people either have little interest or if they do they can not afford them. The auto makers will continue to make these more into world class but affordable GT coupes and look to sell them globally to gain the needed volumes to keep them alive.

    AWD is a very small in the total sales. 

    All sedans are dying in this time of low priced gas.

    We know how GM ended up with old product and high discounts.

    Well let me say from eight years of ownership, my old Magnum was the best car and least problematic car I have ever owned in 28 years of car ownership. Not debating FCAs overall issues but not all LX cars were $h!. Again, this is from eight years in one. 

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    I am now on my 4th Chrysler vehicle.  Two of them were new (2 year leases) and two were bought used.  So far I have not had any serious quality issues with any of them.

    • 2012 Dodge Charger R/T (new) - this is the only new vehicle I have ever owned that never went back to the dealership for any repair or recall during my ownership experience.
    • 2014 Chrysler 300S (new) - two dealership visits in two years of ownership, both for the same issue: code for oil pressure too high.  First trip got a new sensor, second one got a new oil pump.  Was told debris had gotten in the pump and caused an issue.
    • 2013 Chrysler T&C (bought used off lease w/ 33k miles) - we have owned it for 16 months and it now has close to 50k miles.  No dealer repair visits, no new recalls.  Previous recalls were handled before i bought it.  It does occasionally not like to start which is probably the TIPM fuel pump relay issue from my investigations.  This has happened 4 or 5 times in our ownership but it has always eventually started.
    • 2015 Chrysler 200S V6 (bought used w/ 5K miles) - we have owned it for 5 months.  So far so good.  It feels like the brake rotors are getting a little warped but otherwise, no issues.  This is the first new car I have had in a long time that does not hesitate to downshift.  I have heard with the 4 cyl the trans shifts alot and has some not so smooth shifts.  With my V6 it snaps off smooth, crisp shifts and does not hunt for gears.  I will occasionally get a hard 1-2 shift under light throttle but it isn't severe enough to be concerning.

    I will confess that all of them were obtained because of the deals I got on them.  The 200S was the biggest bargain of them all but is also my favorite one of the four.  In fact, it is my favorite all around car that I have had in a while, probably since my 2007 Saab 9-5 Aero.  I don't tend to keep cars very long, though.  2-3 years on average.

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    2 hours ago, surreal1272 said:

    Well let me say from eight years of ownership, my old Magnum was the best car and least problematic car I have ever owned in 28 years of car ownership. Not debating FCAs overall issues but not all LX cars were $h!. Again, this is from eight years in one. 

    Most of the problems are all things that FCA has done or their suppliers. The older cars did well but the newer ones have had their issues and the more FCA input the worse they are.

    Just look at the quality ratings all the lowest models are FCA products accept for Mitsubishi. Chrysler is up a bit but still below the average line.

    FCA I believe is just going cheap on sensors and other supplier parts and it ends up with cars like my In Laws where it has an engine light going off, the fobs failing after a year and other electrical issues.

    I am sure your Magnum was a better car as we did not see these issues. Now on the Durango models and Dakotas ball joints and cams in some engines were an issue but that is another story. I sell a lot of parts for these daily. the Germans did build a better overall car.

    GM also has similar issues when they were trying to keep cost down when profits were tight or non existent.

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    2 hours ago, FordCosworth said:

    Fun Fact

    Ford moved more Mustangs in February 2017 than Chevy has with the Camaro YTD

    But how many Taurus did they sell?

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    That's 4 or 5 people who got duped into buying them.. What a POS car.

    Ford needs to update/get rid of that(if it costs them more than they make on it). Then they also need to update/get rid of the MKT. WTF is that vehicle?!? When can we get a decent looking Aviator?

    28 minutes ago, smk4565 said:

    But how many Taurus did they sell?

    How many work vans did your "luxury" brand sell? :rofl: 

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      I say, let it get worse.  The people have spoken and this is what the MAJORITY voted for.  He even got the popular vote.  Therefore the people of America have spoken.   This is what they want.  This is what they feel comfortable with.   But I dont want to hear ANY whining from ANYBODY about what possibly may happen with him Him in power.  Fool me once,  shame on you!  Fool me twice, shame on me?   Technically this is how that saying goes.  But you never know. Maybe it really IS the lefty libtards that are the problem.   Hopefully it IS the lefty libtards that are the problem and the Messiah Trump will BE the solution to ALL of our problems.   I will be the first one to apologize if He actually does fix America's and Canada's problems.  And unite ALL of the world and the world gets to sing Kumbaya ALL in unison. Hopefully He is the next coming of Christ.   Keeping my fingers crossed but I aint holding my breath if you know what I mean.   
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      By G. David Felt · Posted

      @oldshurst442 This pretty much sums up just how bad it is going to get. Trump's economic plans would worsen inflation, experts say | AP News
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      By oldshurst442 · Posted

      Not just iPhones... He tariffed Canadian wood the first time around as Pres and the prices of wood skyrocketed so American home builders bought American wood which was and is more expensive than Canadian wood.  I guess that is good for American wood producers. But for the fact that house prices also skyrocketed.  And considering that Canada and US have a more or less good trading thing going on...so not that good.  Not for the US and not good for Canada.  But Donald thinks otherwise. And all the folk that voted for him this time around think that the economy will get better?  I hope so for their sake. But Elon and Jeff B's billions rose quite a bit upon the announcement of his re-election.  I wonder if those  people that voted for him, I wonder if their wealth also rose instantly?    You poor bastards... You have no idea what is coming to you... (those that voted for him.  With the excemption of the rich of course)     Donnie Rides Again
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