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    Porsche Ponders More Electric Vehicles

      The production version of the Mission E could mean more electric vehicles from Porsche

    The production version of Porsche's Mission E will be arriving in 2019 and has the company wondering about expanding their electric lineup.

    Porsche division chief Oliver Blume told Bloomberg at the Shanghai auto show that the Mission E brought a shift in thinking for the company.

    “It’s more than just the need to comply with rules. We find the technology as such interesting, as electric cars allow a very sporty driving experience, which fits well with the core value of our brand,” said Blume.

    The acceleration capabilities of electric motors has Porsche thinking about how they could integrate them into their lineup. One is by building out a group of EVs and the other is expanding their lineup of plug-in hybrids - currently comprised of the Cayenne and Panamera.

    Vehicles like the Mission E will play a key role in markets such as China where restrictions on emissions are expected to become the world's toughest in the coming years.

    Source: Bloomberg via Automotive News (Subscription Required)

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    G. David Felt

    China's own EPA version of EV sales per year starting in 2019 are going to force all companies to invest in EVs. Trump is not going to have any affect on companies move towards EV as the rest of the world is moving forward. The US will need to follow.

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    oldshurst442

    Not just in China...

    In Europe as well...

    Possibly Canada not too far behind...

    US eventually.

    General Motors acknowledges this as well.

    http://www.motortrend.com/news/buick-velite-5-chinas-take-chevrolet-volt/

    At the 2017 Shanghai auto show, Buick introduced the Velite 5, a rebadged Chevrolet Volt made specifically for the Chinese market.

    Featuring the same Voltec powertrain as in the Volt that combines two electric motors, a T-shaped lithium-ion battery mounted low, an electronically variable automatic transmission, and a 1.5-liter I-4 that serves as a range extender, Buick says the Velite 5 can travel up to 116 kilometers (72 miles) in EV mode or 768 kilometers (477 miles) with a full charge and a full tank of gas. It’s unclear, however, what standard the automaker is basing its range estimates on. In the EPA cycle, the Chevrolet Volt is rated at 53 miles in EV mode and 420 miles with a full tank of gas and a full charge.

     

    72 miles for China while in the US its 53 miles...

     

    Its quite telling how the US once was the leader in technology, innovation and forward thinking only to be a shadow of its former self lagging....

    Oh no...the US is NOT lagging in technology, innovation and forward thinking...its company's are amongst the world's best...

    THE PEOPLE, ITS CITIZENS, ARE NOT THE GO-GETTERS THEY USED TO BE...I guess China is the new USA?

    This is not a hate speech meant for trolling....

    Just a slap in the face WAKE-UP CALL!!!

    I DO AGREE WITH TRUMP ON HIS SLOGAN

    YES! MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN!!!

    But it aint in the context TRUMP SAID IT IN!!!

     

    Why does China get a better Chevy Volt AND and a better Cadillac ELR in the Buick Velite 5?

    Why dont the US citizens DEMAND BETTER?

    Oh I know why!!!!

    They are too consumed with idiotic adolescent, hypocritical drama that is dummying them down!!!

    http://www.latimes.com/business/hollywood/la-fi-ct-bill-oreilly-payout-20170420-story.html

    http://www.cbc.ca/news/opinion/oreilly-out-1.4078256

    http://www.politicususa.com/2017/04/20/fox-news-incentivizing-sexual-harassment-paying-perpetrators-65-million-exit-packages.html

     

    About EVs....the tipping point is near.

    Porsche is seeing it....hell, GM is seeing too...that is why the Buick version in China gets an upgrade unlike in Europe with the Opel Anterra and in the US...

    The irony is that just a week or two BEFORE Opel was sold, the President of Opel wanted to go full out EV for Opel because even in Germany....laws are put into place to ban Diesels in the very near future and petrol cars in the not so distant future....

    Actually, other European countries are banning diesels too....Including Greece...(by 2025 and for their  major  cities only as a start)

    http://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars/future-cars/news/a31097/german-government-votes-to-ban-internal-combustion-engines-by-2030/

    http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-38170794

     

    Oil based propulsion for cars are coming to an end...governments are pushing this unto us....(is it really that awful to be driving EVs?) (Infrastructure and charging times are in the next 2 years NOT gonna be a factor just like range is not a problem as of NOW....Bullshyte excuses aside)

    We, as a North American society who hates and distrusts governments and became a nation from rebelling is unfortunately what it is....Trump has no choice to follow as the PLANET is going down this road...

     

     

     

     

     

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    smk4565

    Good points all around, the EVs are coming.  The air quality problems in china will push them to EV, Europe is going there too.  And one the EVs are more viable in 5-10 years I bet the displacement taxes go up in China to kill off engines over 2 liters.

    Porsche needs to get on the electric SUV bandwagon and they can share engineering with Audi and Bentley which makes it pretty easy.   The 911 can work as an electric car too they can still put the motor in the back.

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    G. David Felt
    2 minutes ago, smk4565 said:

    Good points all around, the EVs are coming.  The air quality problems in china will push them to EV, Europe is going there too.  And one the EVs are more viable in 5-10 years I bet the displacement taxes go up in China to kill off engines over 2 liters.

    Porsche needs to get on the electric SUV bandwagon and they can share engineering with Audi and Bentley which makes it pretty easy.   The 911 can work as an electric car too they can still put the motor in the back.

    Interesting question that comes up with your 911 comment is that yes, it could be a plugin hybrid, electric motors on both front and rear axle with a generator in the back. Will Porsche be willing to build them in china? This way they get credit for a plugin hybrid as anything built outside of China is not considered a hybrid even when it is.

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    balthazar
    10 hours ago, dfelt said:

    China's own EPA version of EV sales per year starting in 2019 are going to force all companies to invest in EVs. Trump is not going to have any affect on companies move towards EV as the rest of the world is moving forward. The US will need to follow.

    All U.S. companies have already been investing in EVs, and for years now.

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    G. David Felt
    19 hours ago, smk4565 said:

    Why not build Porsche 911 with no gas engine, just put a 450 hp electric motor in back and a battery in the floor.

    Agreed, they could use this 420hp, 560 lb-ft of torque racing ev motor and have an awesome car that enthusiast would love.

    am-racing-amr-dual-stack-250-90-ac-motor-liquid-cooled-permanent-magnet-remy-1.jpg

    This AM Racing motor is based on the very proven Remy 250-90 cartridge rotor using their HVH technology. (High Voltage Hairpin) This high efficiency permanent magnet motor is housed in a billet aluminum case with an integrated oil pump, and water/glycol heat exchanger. Mainly used in race applications, this motor is designed for long life use, and is perfectly suited for high output daily driving applications. Can be used in conjunction with the Rhinehart 100kW or 150kW motor controller/inverter, and this Dual Stack version is ideal for very high output applications. Requires dual controllers for operation. 


    Motor Diameter: 10.5 Inches
    Motor Case Length: 11.25 Inches
    Motor Shaft Length End to End: 18.5 Inches
    Motor Type: Brushless Permanent Magnet
    Brushes: No
    Weight: 180 lbs.
    Max Voltage Input: 360 Volts
    Integrated Sensors: Encoder, temperature
    Rated Torque: 560 Lb Ft Peak (w/150kW controller)
    Rated Power: 420 HP Peak (w/150kW controller)
    Max RPM: 10,000
    Drive End Shaft: 32 spline 35.5 mm
    Thermal Cooling: Internal oil pump with water heat exchange

    18 hours ago, balthazar said:

    All U.S. companies have already been investing in EVs, and for years now.

    True, but to a very limited plan that the public is aware of compare to what other OEM's have announced and are stating to have in the next 5 years. 

    As I posted in this thread, 

    Which I also posted about Jeeps 3 row Plugin Hybrid SUV, I have to wonder what GM's plan is long term for EVs. They really need to communicate better. 

    Yes they have been investing long term, but we have seen very little for the so called long term investment and it would help them to market their long term thinking of how they plan to capitalize on the Volt and Bolt Systems.

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