Nissan Ariya EV Possibly Marks A Comeback

Exciting as this will also be a standard CCS charge port rather than the Leaf Proprietary port. Nice looking but still a bit too blah for me in style. Should sell well to the Nissan faithful.

ew

Would make a nice Rogue replacement IF they did not have that coupe crossover thing going on.

Those wheels..... ? 

2 minutes ago, daves87rs said:

Those wheels..... ? 

good or bad?

I like the design, its sort of a 2020 interpretation of a late 80's car.

It's got the whole crossover hatch look to it but brings back some of the more crisp lines instead of the mega sculpted bulges.  Lots of glass.

Interior is a bit interesting but not driver focused.

not bad for what it is.

4 hours ago, David said:

good or bad?

Not sure....

Can’t decide if they are a bad 80s choice, or cool ones from the future.....

16 hours ago, David said:

good or bad?

I dig them, along with the rest of the vehicle.

This is the first Nissan in quite awhile that I find interesting - in the good way.

Well it's like a Murano with the extra-cost Science Fiction Package.

22 hours ago, regfootball said:

not bad for what it is.

REALLY surprised you missed the ‘fake’ window at the C-pillar!! ??

9 hours ago, balthazar said:

REALLY surprised you missed the ‘fake’ window at the C-pillar!! ??

Nothing new...that's a lame detail that many automakers use.

It’s not that it’s ‘new’; but that’s it’s an opportunity to macro-focus on, then dismiss the entire rest of the vehicle because of it!

27 minutes ago, balthazar said:

It’s not that it’s ‘new’; but that’s it’s an opportunity to macro-focus on, then dismiss the entire rest of the vehicle because of it!

The difference I see is this is a Nissan, just an appliance.  Cadillac is supposed to be a luxury marque, no place on a luxury car for such nonsense, esp. as poorly executed as the trim on the CT5 is. 

Ah. I thought you saw all brands as 'appliances'.

Also, reg is one of our more famous, and consistent, detractors of fake quarter "glass", whether they be textured plastic , smooth plastic, or even glass glued over a solid panel.

Question:  how is a (very narrow) niche product like this going to amount to a Nissan "comeback"?

16 hours ago, ocnblu said:

Question:  how is a (very narrow) niche product like this going to amount to a Nissan "comeback"?

Easy, where they are bigger in China and India and both countries are going solid EV over the next 10 to 15 years, this product will be the start of their full EV portfolio. More and more Countries are setting mandates to covert to a fully EV auto industry. As such, this is the start of their new product line of EVs and the start of moving away from ICE to EV in a portfolio for sale in the US. 

6 hours ago, David said:

Easy, where they are bigger in China and India and both countries are going solid EV over the next 10 to 15 years, this product will be the start of their full EV portfolio. More and more Countries are setting mandates to covert to a fully EV auto industry. As such, this is the start of their new product line of EVs and the start of moving away from ICE to EV in a portfolio for sale in the US. 

And when sales drop like stones as people hold onto more practical ICE means of transport, then what?  Bankruptcy, like Barra is heading toward with her mismanagement of GM?

On 7/19/2020 at 12:04 PM, ocnblu said:

Also, reg is one of our more famous, and consistent, detractors of fake quarter "glass", whether they be textured plastic , smooth plastic, or even glass glued over a solid panel.

LOL

if we are making light of the Ct5 here, it should be stated that even though the rear quarter treatment is very questionable on the Ct5, that really the whole design of the Ct5 is weak and misses the mark of what Cadillac is.  still an ok car, with a weird rear window....but the bigger picture is that the overall design, as a cadillac branded vehicle, is questionable.

On 7/20/2020 at 5:42 PM, ocnblu said:

And when sales drop like stones as people hold onto more practical ICE means of transport, then what?  Bankruptcy, like Barra is heading toward with her mismanagement of GM?

its time for new leadership at GM and some of these other car companies.  we need less politico corporate panderers and get some product / car types back making the calls.  GM has a serious deficiency in terms of passionately desirable vehicles. 

18 minutes ago, regfootball said:

its time for new leadership at GM and some of these other car companies.  we need less politico corporate panderers and get some product / car types back making the calls.  GM has a serious deficiency in terms of passionately desirable vehicles. 

I think the Hummer by GMC and the rest of the EV line up will prove to be very desirable. An auto that has passion with less required maintenance will serve people well. Excited for what is coming and willing to give Mary a chance to prove everyone wrong about passion for auto's. 

If they do not deliver with quality exterior / interior EVs, than I would agree with you that it is time for new leadership.

1 hour ago, David said:

very desirable

LOL the best comedy!

The funniest comedy 

On 7/20/2020 at 6:42 PM, ocnblu said:

And when sales drop like stones as people hold onto more practical ICE means of transport, then what?  Bankruptcy, like Barra is heading toward with her mismanagement of GM?

And why?

1. American consumerism will never allow people to hold unto anything longer than necessary, especially when something newer, shinier and blingier comes along.  The classic chasing the Joneses syndrome is a huuuuuuge part of the American psyche...

And one that Americans cant let go of.  Especially when the automobile is concerned.

2. And you are talking about GM, arent you?   The inventors of planned obsolescence of the car...meaning, General Motors  was the one to popularize last year's model is yesterday's news. General Motors perfected making your neighbor jealous with the purchase of a new car of the year approach to car sales...

3. NEW car sales is what drives the American economy.  Its embedded in your economic policies, your economic thinking, in your economic well being and quite frankly, its in your American DNA...

You actually believe, Americans will forego buying a new of the year EV Chevy Bolt 2024  JUST to sit on an eight year old, put put Nissan Rogue, Star Wars Rogue One Edition?    If memory serves me correct, Rogue One A Star Wars Story wasnt even THAT big of a Box Office hit for Americans to clamour over it...

And I just know that CR-Vs and RAV4s and Ford Escapes arent that much different than a Nissan Rogue in that there is nothing for Americans to get excited about in keeping these shytboxes a long time...

OH BOY!  A 4 banger CUV!!!   WE MUST MAKE IT A FAMILY HEIRLOOM!!!     

Cash For Clunkers made me come to this conclusion...

1. The American Economy is based on NEW car sales

2. It dont matter what the average American is driving and what average age the car is...NEW CAR smell beats everything all the time. 

3. American ideology and American thinking will do anything to make American citizens buy NEW cars...

^ If so, and especially given the volume of 3-yr leases, I would think the average vehicle age would be a fraction of the 11-12 years it is.

I believe the above is overstated. And since the so-called 'planned obsolescence' is dead due to stagnation & homogenization ("arent that much different"), plus ever-creeping MSRPs, that number is going to edge higher, not lower.

If anything; LEASING is where that cache of consumers resides. Buyers keep far longer (so sez the guy in a 16 yr old truck).

well...New car sales (lease sales) wouldnt be as high that it is/was at 17 million units last year...

Each and every year, 16 million, 17 million units are sold/leased.   There was a small window where there was a panic and literal meltdown when the industry dipped to 10 million...  

The figure, I believe, where it states that the avg age of the |American car is 11 to 12 years old is because in most parts of the US, weather is favorable to older cars, and...I think, the average American household owns 2 cars...  One old car. and one newer car.  And especially in the warmer parts of the US...the older car is quite old...but in good shape.  But there is a very very fairly new leased car in the driveway...   

Yes like you said, leases are very popular in America.  Exactly why the newer, shinier, blinglier EV Bolt WILL be leased when the lease to the Rogue, CR-V, Escape will be due.  And NOBODY gonna buy out their CR-V lease when its up... Aint NOBODY gonna hang on to those ICE vehicles...   Nothing exciting, enticing for them to do so...    Practicality of gassing up?   There is always a 2nd car in the family for that...

To my point, when was the last time you saw a Rogue ONe Nissan Rogue on the road?  That was a 2016 model... It is now 4 years old...  Hence why I mentioned a 2024 EV Bolt.   A CR-V that is leased today, you actually think the people in 2024 would be loyal to the CR-V to buy it out when they have a chance to drive a brand new, shinier, blinglier model in 2024 over that 4 year old CR-V?  

Cash for clunkers was introduced to get the economy rolling because new car sales dipped to 10 million...

In 2024, I would think the economy would bounce back from Covid, actually, I did google and so far, 6 million units have been sold. That is on pace to hit 11-12 million.  We are at just above half way throughn the year.  That would be the number that the US hit in 2010 and 2011, the year that everyone praised the economy was finally back.  It would seem that Covid hasnt had the same effect as when the economy collapsed in 2008 and 2009...

Reality is complex. 

I know that in my household, there will not ever be another new ICE auto.

Wife and I will stay with our 1994 GMC SLE Suburban in conversion to Electric. 2006 Escalade ESV ICE and 2008 Trailblazer SS. Daughter is holding onto her 1999 Dodge Durango and my son did buy out his lease on his 2017 Jeep Grand Cherokee. Everyone is waiting for EVs to come out to replace the ICE with.

We are not the Jones Jones race people that is for sure. After all this 5 auto family has 27, 21, 14, 12 and of course 4 year old auto's with the son having the youngest auto.

On 7/22/2020 at 10:40 AM, David said:

I think the Hummer by GMC and the rest of the EV line up will prove to be very desirable. An auto that has passion with less required maintenance will serve people well. Excited for what is coming and willing to give Mary a chance to prove everyone wrong about passion for auto's. 

If they do not deliver with quality exterior / interior EVs, than I would agree with you that it is time for new leadership.

No one is wanting an EV; until the charging solutions are built and in place first.  Including the cold weather performance.  Until then, people want gas.  Especially if electric is so much more.

Even my developer boss, last i heard he plans on ditching his Teslas.

Make the EV same price and size benefits as current gas cars. And get all the houses wired for free and many many charge points on the existing highway networks / convenience store locations, and then MAYBE in warm weather states we'd see a mass rush to EV's.  Oh, and yes said electric cars will have to be sold by our traditional dealer networks that already have millions in assets invested in current places of sale and real estate.

oh, and 300 mile easy range too.

Side note, i saw a Model Y the other day.  That's a nice rig, as is the S, and the 3.

I've not yet seen any 'passion' put forth in EVs. Maybe the Rivian, but I have not seen the concept in person, so I have to reserve judgement.

9 hours ago, regfootball said:

No one is wanting an EV; until the charging solutions are built and in place first.  Including the cold weather performance.  Until then, people want gas.  Especially if electric is so much more.

Even my developer boss, last i heard he plans on ditching his Teslas.

Make the EV same price and size benefits as current gas cars. And get all the houses wired for free and many many charge points on the existing highway networks / convenience store locations, and then MAYBE in warm weather states we'd see a mass rush to EV's.  Oh, and yes said electric cars will have to be sold by our traditional dealer networks that already have millions in assets invested in current places of sale and real estate.

oh, and 300 mile easy range too.

Side note, i saw a Model Y the other day.  That's a nice rig, as is the S, and the 3.

Considering your profile does not say where you live, one cannot understand where your coming from.
Clearly here on the west coast, the desire for EVs far out weights ICE and lots of people are waiting for selection of Choice. Newly built homes, condo's and even apartments all have charging built in. The West Coast Super highway, Highway I5 has chargers everywhere as do the cities and now we have the power companies starting to install on the smaller state freeways and roads to ensure plenty of choice for charging.

I would say it depends on where you live and the attitude of the multi-cultural society as people on the west coast have clearly embraced EVs.

Yes I have only ICE as I await full size SUV/Trucks that are EV to purchase.

Well, to be honest.  Nobody really knows how this EV thing is going to turn out.

Gasoline prices remain cheap, even though there was a short period of Covid time where it was really really cheap.  EV prices remain to be high.  If GM cant find a way to price that EV Bolt at Chevrolet Trax prices AND make a profit with it, all that what I wrote is irrelevant.  

What @ocnblu wrote is also irrelevant because there hasnt been a time in American automobile history where Americans willfully stopped buying new cars...     ICE cars will eventually wind down and no manufacturer will build them. But that is not anytime soon...

^ 75 years is my prediction.

Seems that the Ariya is not the only EV to be coming for Nissan as other web sites are now saying Nissan will have an EV also in one size below the Ariya.

Report: Nissan planning small electric crossover below Ariya (greencarreports.com)