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    G. David Felt

    By G. David Felt •

    ZETA - Zero Emission Transportation Association - What is it?

      What is ZETA you ask?

      This is the first industry-backed coalition of 28 businesses and growing covering employees in all US states advocating for a national policy that supports the sale of electric vehicles only starting in 2030 of light, medium and heavy-duty auto's. This group calls for the accelerated transition to EVs.

    Securing American global EV manufacturing leadership, dramatically improving public health and significantly reducing carbon pollution is some of the key goals that ZETA or Zero Emission Transportation Association was formed for.

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    This industry association is focused on creating hundreds of thousands of new jobs. In quoting their www.zeta2030.org web site they state the 3 core points.

    1. Job Creation - Enacting ambitious, but realistic policies to accelerate transportation electrification will create hundreds of thousands of well-paying jobs. Congress must seize this opportunity or risk ceding this economic growth to others.
    2. Cleaner Environment - The transportation sector emits more carbon pollution than any other sector of the U.S. economy. Electric vehicles produce no tailpipe emissions and are 67% less carbon intensive than gasoline-powered auto's over their lifetime.
    3. Real Savings - By going electric, vehicle owners can save over $700 a year in Fuel and an additional $330 in annual maintenance costs. Federal, state and local incentives can drive greater consumer benefits.

    Their press release has the ZETA five key policy pillars:

    1. Outcome-driven consumer EV incentives. Point-of-sale consumer incentives drive adoption, provide cost reductions and achieve real results in pushing transportation electrification. In addition, incentivizing early retirements while encouraging EV adoption will speed the transition and meet the urgency of the moment.

    2. Emissions / performance standards enabling full electrification by 2030. Emission targets are a key piece of protecting public health and sending the correct market signals to support and accelerate the transition to zero emission transportation.

    3. Infrastructure investments. Strong federal charging infrastructure investments will drive the electric transportation transition and ensure that the United States is leading the way in a clean recovery where everyone is better off.

    4. Domestic manufacturing. We should not only accelerate U.S. transportation electrification, but also work to ensure that we secure domestic economic growth and leadership in EV manufacturing. Federal policies must encourage job creation and economic activity across the entire EV supply chain and lifecycle, from critical materials to vehicles.

    5. Federal leadership and cooperation with sub-national entities. Federal support should invest in research and development, provide an aligned vision for electrification, and ensure local leaders are empowered with the expertise and resources to support full vehicle electrification.

     Further details about their key issues can be found here: https://www.zeta2030.org/key-issues/

    ZETA includes the following founding members:

    1. ABB
    2. Albemarle Corporation
    3. Arrival
    4. ChargePoint
    5. ConEdison
    6. Copper Development Association, Inc.
    7. Duke Energy
    8. Edison International
    9. Enel X
    10. EVBox
    11. EVgo
    12. Ioneer
    13. Li-Cycle
    14. Lordstown Motors
    15. Lucid Motors
    16. Piedmont Lithium
    17. PG&E Corporation
    18. Proterra
    19. Redwood Materials
    20. Rivian
    21. Siemens
    22. Southern Company
    23. SRP
    24. Tesla
    25. Vistra
    26. Volta
    27. Uber
    28. WAVE

    ZETA mission statement:

    ZETA brings together those whose values and strategic interests support 100% electric vehicle sales by 2030.

    This diverse non-partisan group coordinates public education efforts and federal policy development to promote EV adoption with the goal of creating American electric vehicle manufacturing jobs, better serving consumers, improving air quality and public health, and significantly reducing carbon pollution.

    ZETA can be contacted at the following:

    Joe Britton
    Executive Director, ZETA
    [email protected]

    David Ganske
    Communications and PR for ZETA
    [email protected]

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    Robert Hall

    Turned 50 this year.  Overall, my health is fine..need to take off a few pounds.   But after decades of living in one story homes, moving to a four story split level in 2017 has taken it's toll on my back, hips and knees...some days are fine, other days it's a world of pain....

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    After a life time of power lifting and body building, I stick to what Arnold Schwarzenegger always said, pain tells ya your alive and as long as it is tolerable, you know your not 6ft under.

    I figure, life is pain, pain is life, as long as I have loved ones around, a job I enjoy and can ski, life is good for me.

    Back on topic of the new ZETA group, I suspect FORD F-150 EV will destroy the other truck sales as FORD is planning to offer all the same bed and cab configurations. At that point with more Torque and hauling than an ICE, more traditional truck buyers will move over to the EV. 

    I also see this happening with GM and their Chevrolet Silverado EV truck line.

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    I do find it interesting that the 2yr development cycle is what GM now believes they can do for all EVs and will speed up new models faster and more reliable than ICE.

    GMC Hummer Electric Truck | General Motors

    Gonna be interesting times for sure on how fast GM can bring in as they have now committed to having affordable EVs for all at all price points over the next 5 years.

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    A Horse With No Name
    48 minutes ago, David said:

    After a life time of power lifting and body building, I stick to what Arnold Schwarzenegger always said, pain tells ya your alive and as long as it is tolerable, you know your not 6ft under.

    I figure, life is pain, pain is life, as long as I have loved ones around, a job I enjoy and can ski, life is good for me.

    Back on topic of the new ZETA group, I suspect FORD F-150 EV will destroy the other truck sales as FORD is planning to offer all the same bed and cab configurations. At that point with more Torque and hauling than an ICE, more traditional truck buyers will move over to the EV. 

    I also see this happening with GM and their Chevrolet Silverado EV truck line.

    With time, Pickup buyers are a traditional lot. I almost see companies like Rivian and Lordstown and the like winning over luxury buyers whoa re looking for something new and different. 

    Wife's boss and her partner just got a new full size domestic truck, crew cab. Donna, Amy's partner is turning her BMW SUV in at the end of the lease in  a few weeks. They absolutely love the truck. The ladies love Kyaking and being outdoors, and the truck is infinitely more practical. They also both have dogs, so the additional room is really welcome. Plus, the Pickup rides and drives better than the BMW. So its a win all around.

    People like that will be the frotnline buyers for electrics. 

    Also, Businesses. When an extermination business needs midsize trucks to go on rounds killing ants and termites, electrics might well be cheaper, mroe reliable and elss maintenance. I think that will be the second step. 

    Third step will be people in Urban environments like NYC or Paris which will have more draconian pollution laws which will be ahrder and ahrder for ICE vehicles to meet. 

    Guys like Balthazar are not going to be the front line buyers of these trucks. 

    2 hours ago, Robert Hall said:

    Turned 50 this year.  Overall, my health is fine..need to take off a few pounds.   But after decades of living in one story homes, moving to a four story split level in 2017 has taken it's toll on my back, hips and knees...some days are fine, other days it's a world of pain....

    I go up and down steps dozens of times a day and do fine. I just no nlonger want to haul around 4 inch electrical conduit and sling it in over my head on an install. 

    2 hours ago, ykX said:

    Well they say: if you woke up and nothing hurts - you are dead :)

    Enough hurts on me that I know I am very alive...

    2 hours ago, balthazar said:

    We're the same age, Horse. I was really good forever, but the last year or so has taken me basically to 'wake up & see what hurts today' status.

    Rivian -for me- has a useless bed. That 'cargo tunnel' lopped like 1.5 feet out of it.
    But shouldn't be too difficult to build a bed version without it.

    But I'm not paying $70 grand for a truck.

    See above, I am not sure you are going to be the front line target buyer of this. And dammit, I still want a full size diesel truck. 

    I think RAM with a cummins would be awesome, but I would trust a GM truck more in terms of electrical issues and general build quality. 

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    Aslo, Northsky Blue would be a hot color for a GM truck...one ton with a diesel, I could rock that. 

    Northsky Blue Metallic

    And yes I know the truck pcitured is a 3/4 ton...

    Give me a dually or give me death....said Patrick Henry's great great great great great grandson.

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    G. David Felt
    31 minutes ago, A Horse With No Name said:

    Aslo, Northsky Blue would be a hot color for a GM truck...one ton with a diesel, I could rock that. 

    Northsky Blue Metallic

    And yes I know the truck pcitured is a 3/4 ton...

    Give me a dually or give me death....said Patrick Henry's great great great great great grandson.

    But that FACE!, Only a mother could love that Ugly Face! :( 

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    Just now, David said:

    But that FACE!, Only a mother could love that Ugly Face! :( 

    Actually I am to the point of finding them quite attractive. 

    "Blu and some others ought to consider......flame around flammable liquids is not always the best..

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    balthazar

    Smart businesses always keep an eye on the bottom line. We saw the comparison here of the Tesla vs. Ford police cars- the IC cop car was $29 grand ahead of the electric, and had a lot less maintenance. The pricing on EVs is almost always MUCH higher than IC versions...

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    ocnblu
    6 hours ago, David said:

    more reliable than ICE.

    Were you asleep when you posted this?  Because you sure are dreamin'.  Absolutely NO PROOF, and with Tesla around, it makes your comment even more hilarious.

    6 hours ago, A Horse With No Name said:

    People like that will be the frotnline buyers for electrics. 

    Aren't we a bit presumptuous?

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    ocnblu
    5 hours ago, David said:

    But that FACE!, Only a mother could love that Ugly Face! :( 

    Did you NOT see the screen capture of the EV "Silveraydo" from Barra's comedy vid?  The headlight setup is nearly the same as the current HD... you're looking at the parking lamps up top, the headlights will be down below...

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    On 11/22/2020 at 7:43 PM, Drew Dowdell said:

    I was specifically only addressing your situation. I'm aware that people in apartments or without off street parking are different.  

    As to your charger, you'd probably hardwire an outdoor safe model and hang it on the outside of the garage like a garden hose.  The shortest hardwire units are generally 25" long. 

    The eGolf people (and Leaf and Focus EV) are special use cases that only work if they have charger access at their house. The ranges for those models are simply too short to be useful except as a 3rd car in the household and it being dedicated to a specific route and charging pattern. 

    However, as more models like the high range Teslas, Fiskers, Hummers, Bolts, F-150s, and Rivians come out, the use case looks remarkably similar to an ICE vehicle. Plug it in at night and go about your normal daily routine. 

    Heck, I've got 50% of the action down right now without having an EV in the household. Ever since it got cold here, the Toronado gets put on the battery tender every time it gets parked. 

    If Balthazar's Buick had a battery it would be on a charger also.

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    2 hours ago, ocnblu said:

    Did you NOT see the screen capture of the EV "Silveraydo" from Barra's comedy vid?  The headlight setup is nearly the same as the current HD... you're looking at the parking lamps up top, the headlights will be down below...

    Yup another Chevy failure in Style, but awesome EV power train.

    That Chevy is why I will make a decision between Rivian or Hummer. Way better looking trucks and SUVs.

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    balthazar
    6 minutes ago, A Horse With No Name said:

    If Balthazar's Buick had a battery it would be on a charger also.

    ? ? ? ?

    6 minutes ago, David said:

    That Chevy is why I will make a decision between Rivian or Hummer.

    Or wait for the GMC version.

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    13 minutes ago, balthazar said:

    ? ? ? ?

    Or wait for the GMC version.

    He is as slow buying vehicles as Blu is fast. The Rivian GMC or Hummer he buys will be like the 200 year old beetle in that woody allen movie.

    And speaking of woody...Blu being that quick to always blow his load might be why he is sleeping alone tonight. Just saying....

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    G. David Felt

    Amazing all the EV Pickup trucks that have been announced for production. Be very interesting to see which ones actually make it to market. I am expecting that 50% will never actually see production and as the Heritage OEM builders start to deliver their trucks, it will reduce this down to maybe just Tesla and Rivian being the new kids on the block that survive along with Lordstown as a special Niche builder since they are focusing on Commercial use / Governments.

    Hummer by GMC

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    Ford F-150 EV Pickup

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    Lordstown Endurance EV Pickup

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    Rivian R1T ev pickup

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    Havelaar Bison EV Pickup

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    Neuron EV Pickup

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    Atlas EV Pickup

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    Workhorse EV Pickup

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    Tesla Cyber Truck EV Pickup

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    Nissan / Hercules EV Pickup

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    Bollinger EV Pickup

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    Nikola Hydrogen/EV Pickup

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    2 hours ago, ocnblu said:

    Enough to fill a pretty small (albeit scary, environmentally) junkyard.  So much comedic value in this ^ post.

    Nissan is also bringing out an Electric truck, so you will need more room in your junkyard, scooter. 

    I really wish the Nikola were likely to see production and pure BEV. I kind of like the looks of it. 

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    54 minutes ago, A Horse With No Name said:

    Nissan is also bringing out an Electric truck, so you will need more room in your junkyard, scooter. 

    I really wish the Nikola were likely to see production and pure BEV. I kind of like the looks of it. 

    Saw an update on Bloomberg this morning that Nissan is moving forward with tying up with Hercules EV pickup as I posted above in the list of EV pickups. Nissan seems to want to move this forward asap.

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    3 minutes ago, David said:

    Saw an update on Bloomberg this morning that Nissan is moving forward with tying up with Hercules EV pickup as I posted above in the list of EV pickups. Nissan seems to want to move this forward asap.

    Good for them. 

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    50 minutes ago, balthazar said:

    LOT of ugliness in that collage of EV trucks. No way does Bolinger survive; the price vs. appearance is totally inverted. The Big 3 by far have the best chances moving forward.

    Big three ahve the most experience building actual vehicles. Teslas problem isn't that they can't master 21'st century technology like self driving cars, it's that they can't master 1940's technology like doors that shut properly. 

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    57 minutes ago, balthazar said:

    LOT of ugliness in that collage of EV trucks. No way does Bolinger survive; the price vs. appearance is totally inverted. The Big 3 by far have the best chances moving forward.

    I've seen the Bolinger in person.  It's what happens when someone gets an EV powertrain and has a bunch of flat sheet metal, an arc welder, a JC Whitney Catalog, and a few rolls of remnant office carpeting laying around.  They had a booth at the L.A. show the same year the Rivian debuted.... and I was like, "You can't be serious.... "

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    1 minute ago, Drew Dowdell said:

    I've seen the Bolinger in person.  It's what happens when someone gets an EV powertrain and has a bunch of flat sheet metal, an arc welder, a JC Whitney Catalog, and a few rolls of remnant office carpeting laying around.  They had a booth at the L.A. show the same year the Rivian debuted.... and I was like, "You can't be serious.... "

    Kind of wondered if it would be like that....from the photos I've seen, it looks like a kit car..very crude.

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    26 minutes ago, Robert Hall said:

    Kind of wondered if it would be like that....from the photos I've seen, it looks like a kit car..very crude.

    It is astonishingly crude....and at $125 grand....lots of other options exist. 

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    Interior is 1975 CJ-5 plain....will not sell in the modern market. 

     

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    5 minutes ago, A Horse With No Name said:

    It is astonishingly crude....and at $125 grand....lots of other options exist. 

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    Interior is 1975 CJ-5 plain....will not sell in the modern market. 

     

    $125k would buy a nicely equipped Range Rover...

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    7 minutes ago, A Horse With No Name said:

    Yep. And both the Range Rover and Bolinger would be an unmitigated quality disaster. 

    Which is why Range Rovers are better to be leased, not owned...that great British quality.

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    ^ You still have to deal with that poor quality, despite who's name is on the title.

    1 hour ago, Drew Dowdell said:

    "You can't be serious.... "

    It seemed totally obvious via the images, but thanks for the verification. Bolinger will be the Powell Sport Wagon of the '20s.

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    1 hour ago, balthazar said:

    ^ You still have to deal with that poor quality, despite who's name is on the title.

    It seemed totally obvious via the images, but thanks for the verification. Bolinger will be the Powell Sport Wagon of the '20s.

    Or the Bricklin....remember those?

     

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    2 hours ago, A Horse With No Name said:

    It is astonishingly crude....and at $125 grand....lots of other options exist. 

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    Interior is 1975 CJ-5 plain....will not sell in the modern market. 

     

    The Bolinger is what Gru from Minions would drive if they ever did a live action version of the movie.... except it would be nuclear fission powered or something. 

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    regfootball
    On 11/20/2020 at 8:28 AM, David said:

    Battery tech is moving away from precious rare earth elements and that is proven in a variety of new solid state battery production that comes online next year for a wide variety of EVs that will be produced next year and moving forward.

    No Charging Network, please state where you actually live as I am willing to bet there are far more charging options than you are aware of or willing to acknowledge. Cold weather issues have been made moot. How you will ask, easy just like ICE auto's loose MPG efficiency in cold weather, batteries do too, to offset this, we have Hydro thermal management and that has been proven well by Tesla and GM in their current EVs where people have lost some range but over all still have plenty to get out and about to work, errands, etc.

    You are right on it will take time and yet we have seen where properly motivated and supported, you can change the masses to embrace change.

    NORWAY leads the world with over 60% of new auto sales being EVs for the last 2 years and climbing. Yes a small country compared to the US, but a great example of how they have embraced change for a better healthy life for the MASSES.

    Here are sites that track where one can charge their EV.

    https://www.plugshare.com/

    https://chargehub.com/en/charging-stations-map.html

    If you do not like 3rd party mapping sites, then use the Governments own location site that shows the 100's of thousands of charging locations and growing.

    https://afdc.energy.gov/fuels/electricity_stations.html

    charge times, inadequate,

    all the new tehcnologies, you mention, are they AFFORDABLE for the masses yet?

    embrace change? change is good, if its convenient, cheap, and dependable FOR THE CONSUMER.

    263.6 million
     
    Overall, there were an estimated 263.6 million registered vehicles in the United States in 2015, most of which were passenger vehicles. This number, along with the average age of vehicles, has increased steadily since 1960

    right now if if annual vehicle sales is between 6 and 7% replacement each year, it will be many years before many purchase their next vehicle.  Vehicles can often have 15-20 year life.  So, in 2020 you cannot legislate a rapid changeover to eliminate fuel vehicles.  Especially when the argument you use is thin, and so many vehicles are on the road already.  This is what we call, let the market take care of it.  Now, the government may provide some subisidies for electric propulsion technology and that is fair due to 'diversity of energy sources'.  Ethanol was subsidized (too much) and neither should electric.  It all comes back to where does the electricity come from, and anyone who is a realist knows that our country's complete energy needs cannot be reliably provided from -renewable-(cough) energy sources anytime soon.  The only way you can force renewable sources on people right now is through forced taxation.  

    And then, just when they pull the plug on gas vehicles, the prices of the electrics will be kept high so THE MASSES cannot have personal mobility.  Gas vehicles on the existing infrastructure allow more people the chance at personal freedom and mobility, which is what has always set our country apart.  Forcing electric technology and cutting off gas is really a veiled attempt at restricting personal mobility in your own car.  Because they can not roll it out conviently and afordable without taxing the crap out of everyone by legislative fiat rather than the market, just yet.

    And sorry, the cold weather issues are not taken care of yet.  won't be for while for the masses.  20-40% range loss quite common.  In a northern state and in particular in driving through blizzards, you can't afford to risk it in an electric until the convenient and frequent charge network like gas is built.  

    I'm not opposed to electrics.  I almost got a Volt before, but it was too small.  Almost no one builds a truly spacious medium priced EV.  I like the Bolt, but its a toy, its too small.  Malibu and Fusion hybrids I looked at.  Hybrid is a great option but they have to start pricing the hybrids as cheap as the gas models if they want them to sell.  I would love to have an electric actually, but not as my main vehicle right now.

    Norway is almost an irrelevant country.  They are very small and quite honestly are a pretty homogenous country, culturally.  And they have profited most from oil as anyone ever.

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    22 hours ago, David said:

    Saw an update on Bloomberg this morning that Nissan is moving forward with tying up with Hercules EV pickup as I posted above in the list of EV pickups. Nissan seems to want to move this forward asap.

    Good. the more the merrier. 

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Both companies have stated that the acceleration of technology and the rapid change of the auto industry will allow these two companies to maintain global competitiveness and deliver more attractive products and services for customers worldwide. Nissan global mobility product line merged with Honda four-wheel-vehicles, motor cycles and power products can allow both companies to become more attractive to shareholders and innovation of products to sell to customers worldwide according to the CEOs of both companies. Nissan and Honda have stated the following: Nissan and Honda aim to become a world-class mobility company with sales revenue exceeding 30 trillion yen ($190 Billion U.S. Dollars) and operating profit of more than 3 trillion yen ($19 billion U.S. Dollars). The expected synergies from the business integration at this time are: 1. Scale advantages by standardizing vehicle platforms By standardizing the vehicle platforms of both companies across various product segments, the companies expect to create stronger products, reduce costs, enhance development efficiencies, and improve investment efficiencies through standardized production processes. The integration is projected to increase sales and operational volumes, allowing the companies to reduce development costs per vehicle, including for future digital services, while maximizing profits. By accelerating the mutual complementation of their global vehicle offerings - including ICE, HEV, PHEV, and EV models - Nissan and Honda will be better positioned to meet diverse customer needs around the world and deliver optimal products, leading to improved customer satisfaction. 2. Enhancement of development capabilities and cost synergies through the integration of R&D functions In accordance with the MOU to deepen strategic partnership and the joint research agreement on fundamental technologies dated August 1, the two companies have started joint research in fundamental technologies in the area of vehicle platforms for next-generation software-defined vehicles (SDVs), which is the cornerstone of the field of intelligence. After the business integration, both companies will encompass more integrated collaboration across all R&D functions, including fundamental research and vehicle application technology research. This approach is expected to enable both companies to efficiently and swiftly enhance their technological expertise, achieving both improvements in development capabilities and reductions in development costs through the integration of overlapping functions.   3. Optimizing manufacturing systems and facilities The companies anticipate that optimizing their manufacturing plants and energy service facilities, combined with improved collaboration through the shared use of production lines, will result in a substantial improvement in capacity utilization leading to a decrease in fixed costs.   4. Strengthening competitive advantages across the supply chain through the integration of purchasing functions To fully leverage the synergies from optimizing development and production capacity, both companies intend to boost their competitiveness by improving and streamlining purchasing operations and source common parts from the same the supply chain and in collaboration with business partners.   5. Realizing cost synergies through operational efficiency improvements The companies expect that the integration of systems and back-office operations, along with the upgrade and standardization of operational processes, will drive significant cost reductions.   6. Acquisition of scale advantages through integration in sales finance functions By integrating relevant areas of sales finance functions of both companies and expanding the scale of operations, the companies aim to provide a range of mobility solutions, including new financial services throughout the vehicle lifecycle, to customers of both organizations.   7. Establishment of a talent foundation for intelligence and electrification The human resources of the companies are an invaluable asset, and establishing a strong human resource foundation is crucial for the transformation that will come with the business integration. After the integration, increased employee exchanges and technical collaboration between the companies are expected to promote further skill development. Moreover, by leveraging each company's access to talent markets, attracting exceptional talent will become more attainable. Method of business integration and stock listing Nissan and Honda, with the result of the consideration, plan to establish, through a joint share transfer, a joint holding company that will be the parent company of both companies. This will be subject to approval at each company's general meeting of shareholders and obtaining necessary approvals from relevant authorities for this business integration, based on the premise that Nissan's turnaround*1 actions are steadily executed. Both Nissan and Honda will be fully owned subsidiaries of the joint holding company*2. Additionally, the companies plan to continue coexisting and developing the brands held by Honda and Nissan equally. Shares of the newly established joint holding company under consideration are planned to be newly listed (technical listing) on the Prime Market of the Tokyo Stock Exchange (“TSE”). The listing is scheduled for August 2026. With the listing of the joint holding company, both Nissan and Honda will become wholly owned subsidiaries of the joint holding company and will be scheduled to be delisted from the TSE. However, shareholders of both companies will continue to be able to trade shares of the joint holding company issued during this share transfer on the TSE. The listing date of the joint holding company and the delisting date of both Nissan and Honda will be determined in accordance with the regulations of the TSE. Regarding the organizational structure of the joint holding company, and both companies which will become wholly-owned subsidiaries of the joint holding company after the business integration, the optimal structure for realizing synergies, including the integration of R&D functions, purchasing functions, and manufacturing functions, will be discussed and considered within the integration preparatory committee, with the aim of establishing an organizational structure that enables efficient and highly competitive business operations after the business integration. The CEO's of all three companies had the following to say: Marking the announcement, Nissan Director, President, CEO and Representative Executive Officer Makoto Uchida said: “Honda and Nissan have begun considering a business integration, and will study the creation of significant synergies between the two companies in a wide range of fields. It is significant that Nissan's partner, Mitsubishi Motors, is also involved in these discussions. We anticipate that if this integration comes to fruition, we will be able to deliver even greater value to a wider customer base.“ Honda Director and Representative Executive Officer Toshihiro Mibe said: "At this time of change in the automobile industry, which is said to occur once every 100 years, we hope that Mitsubishi Motors' participation in the business integration discussions of Nissan and Honda will lead to further social change, and that we will be able to become a leading company in creating new value in mobility through business integration. Nissan and Honda will start the discussion from today onwards with an aim to clarify the possibility of business integration by around the end of January in line with the consideration of Mitsubishi Motors." Comment from Mitsubishi Motors Director, Representative Executive Officer, and President and CEO Takao Kato said: “In an era of change in the automotive industry, the study between Nissan and Honda about a business integration will accelerate synergy maximization effects, bringing high value also to the collaborative businesses with Mitsubishi Motors. In order to realize synergies and to make the best use of each company's strengths, we will also study the best form of cooperation.” Upon looking at the press releases, it makes total sense that these companies would look to merge as each company is having a challanging time. Nissan globally has seen a 33.7% reduction in sales taking the estimated 2024 market share to 5.2%.  Honda globally has seen a 9% reduction over all with a 32% reduction in the asian rim leaving them with a 2024 estimated 5.4% market share. Mitsubishi Motors globally has seen a reduction year over year of a 10.7% drop leaving them with a 2024 estimated market share of 4.6%. All three auto companies lag the industry in technology connected auto's, feature / functions and especially EVs. All three companies have seen their profits turn into negative earnings for their respective companies leaving them with no real ability to perform R&D in building EVs to compete in China or the U.S. let alone Europe that has mandates in place for the end of ICE by 2035. End result is it looks like for these companies to survive, merging into one company that shares platforms and technology especially in the software and battery sectors will be the only way to move forward. View full article
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