Fisker Stops Work On Nina, Lays Some Workers Off

LOL

BigGov't sure can't seem to call many of these 'green energy' investments right.

It makes me dance around the room in birthday clothes holding a phantom microphone reading something like this. *POOF*

Why? Why do you have to be such a dick about electirc cars? We all know you don't like them and you'd never want to drive one. Well I'd never want to drive some giant V8 RWD car. I'd like to own an electric car someday. Why are you so against there being cars that people like me want to drive?

  On 2/11/2012 at 4:33 PM, §carlet §wordfish said:

Why? Why do you have to be such a dick about electirc cars?

It's time to face reality, for Christ's sake.

I, for one, am not at all against electric cars. More choice is (usually) always better (I'd like to see steam, too). My statement wasn't against the cars (which was perfectly clear in my post), but against taxpayer money going into poorly vetted business cases.

  On 2/11/2012 at 7:23 PM, ocnblu said:

It's time to face reality, for Christ's sake.

How many car companies went under before the golden age of the automobile in the 20's.... or in the 50's?

How many new technologies were tried and failed back then till someone found the right combination?

The transverse 4-cylinder, front wheel drive car was invented in 1901 but failed... we didn't see another one until the 1970s!

  On 2/11/2012 at 7:54 PM, Oldsmoboi said:

The transverse 4-cylinder, front wheel drive car was invented in 1901 but failed... we didn't see another one until the 1970s!

Interesting...I thought that configuration was invented in '59 w/ the original Mini.

Scarlet, aspire to a Prius C if that is your bent. It's small, cheeky, hybrid, inexpensive to buy, and real.

  On 2/11/2012 at 8:05 PM, Cubical-aka-Moltar said:

  On 2/11/2012 at 7:54 PM, Oldsmoboi said:

The transverse 4-cylinder, front wheel drive car was invented in 1901 but failed... we didn't see another one until the 1970s!

Interesting...I thought that configuration was invented in '59 w/ the original Mini.

I actually plan to do an article on it.

few things in automotive history are as recent as one would think

  On 2/11/2012 at 8:27 PM, ocnblu said:

Scarlet, aspire to a Prius C if that is your bent. It's small, cheeky, hybrid, inexpensive to buy, and real.

No, I want to have as much variety in electric cars available to me as there is in gas powered cars. FWD, RWD, full size, midsize, compact, sedans, coupes, roadsters, crossovers, pickups, econoboxes to ulrtra-luxes.

Dreams.

Just because I don't want the same kind of car you like, doesn't me I think the cars you like should't exist. Why do you so hate the idea of freedom of choice in electric vehicles?

I want an Electronado

You'll have to give up a lot of freedom of mobility to own such a dorkmobile. Why punish yourself?

  On 2/12/2012 at 2:19 AM, ocnblu said:

You'll have to give up a lot of freedom of mobility to own such a dorkmobile. Why punish yourself?

I drive it no more than 5,000 miles a year as is... The outward appearance wouldn't change, so how would no visual change + instant torque = dork mobile?

Plus, even with twice the battery pack, I'd still have more trunk room than most vehicles out there today.

Olds If you have the room then why not find a nice example and convert it. I'm gonna do my project and I'll post the Ideas I have and bounce it off you guys. It will be diesel and my first foray into the Mopar side. Ive seen almost everything converted electric so it's easier than you'd think. Only the battery purchase is very costly.

I don't have room nor the money... so....

If anything happens to my 307, I'd probably just put an LT1 in its place and call it a day.

  On 2/11/2012 at 8:48 PM, balthazar said:

few things in automotive history are as recent as one would think

You mean DOHC is not latest and greatest?

Boy, the red tide rises in this thread, haha. Feels good to be right though, even if it took a while to finally sputter and die a well-deserved death. *choke*choke*gasp*

Internal combustion FTW, BTW.

Yeah you're trolling.

Unless you actually hate innovation and jobs. Then you hate America.

You don't hate America, do you?

uh... the Fisker does have internal combustion.... a good old GM Ecotec....

  On 2/12/2012 at 1:01 AM, §carlet §wordfish said:

Why do you so hate the idea of freedom of choice in electric vehicles?

Some people fear change...

  On 2/12/2012 at 2:19 AM, ocnblu said:

You'll have to give up a lot of freedom of mobility to own such a dorkmobile. Why punish yourself?

In case you still didn't know after the five billion times it's been said, electric cars like the Volt and Fiskers have no limits to their mobility whatsoever.

Besides, my mobility is already severly limited by my budget. If anything an electric car would only increase my mobility by reducing my fuel costs.

That is why a Prius C would be perfect for you at some point in the future, if you aspire to go new. You like quirky cars with personality, the C looks like a fun pup compared to its deathly beige older brother. The base model comes with wheel covers you can take off and ride with black steelies. And it has a particular disdain for gasoline, you know, that evil fluid that built America, land that I love.

  On 2/12/2012 at 12:19 PM, ocnblu said:

That is why a Prius C would be perfect for you at some point in the future, if you aspire to go new. You like quirky cars with personality, the C looks like a fun pup compared to its deathly beige older brother. The base model comes with wheel covers you can take off and ride with black steelies. And it has a particular disdain for gasoline, you know, that evil fluid that built America, land that I love.

It's also a cheapo pile of dung. Toyota is scraping a new low in build quality on that one.

Remember, when you're "green", it's not the car, it's the IDEAR of the car.

...What?

Anyway, the Prius C does nothing for me. I'd much rather have a Volt. Or anything else interesting the Big 3 might offer in the future. The Fiskers are aspirational, but I don't foresee myself being able to afford something like that.

  On 2/12/2012 at 6:03 PM, §carlet §wordfish said:

Anyway, the Prius C does nothing for me. I'd much rather have a Volt. Or anything else interesting the Big 3 might offer in the future. The Fiskers are aspirational, but I don't foresee myself being able to afford something like that.

Why don't you grab a Volt, then? Otherwise, you are hoping for a technology to supplant a large percentage of the entire automotive fleet. Unfortunately, its not all that viable yet. Buy a Volt, while they are still availble, and don't expect them to be forced onto everybody... I'm not forcing you to buy a gasoline powered V8... stop advocating that the government waste my taxpaying money to try to force others into electrics.