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    2022 Hyundai Santa Cruz Is A Step Smaller Than A Midsize Truck

      But don't call it a truck

    It is surprising to think it has been over six years since Hyundai first showed the Santa Cruz pickup concept at the Detroit Auto Show. But today, Hyundai has unveiled the production version. The automaker isn't calling this a truck, instead using the term "Sport Adventure Vehicle". To us, it's a truck.

    We need to start with a bit of a reality check. The Santa Cruz is not a direct competitor to the likes of Chevrolet Colorado, Honda Ridgeline, or Toyota Tacoma in terms of measurements. Compared to those models, the Santa Cruz is around 10 to 17 inches shorter in length. Overall height is around 3 to 4 inches shorter. The bed measures 4.3 feet, which is about foot shorter than the Ranger. There is also an in-bed trunk like the Ridgeline.

    The model is based on the recently redesigned Tucson crossover, which explains why it shares the front end styling - complete with headlights in the massive grille. That also means it shares the same engines as the Tucson. Here's the lineup,

    • 2.5L four-cylinder:  estimated 190+ horsepower and 180+ lb.-ft. of torque
    • Turbocharged 2.5L four-cylinder: estimated 275+ horsepower and 310+ lb.-ft. of torque

    The N/A 2.5 comes with an eight-speed automatic, while the turbo makes do with an eight-speed dual-clutch. Front-wheel drive is standard, while HTRAC all-wheel drive is optional.

    The interior looks very modern and comes with an eight-inch touchscreen in the center stack. Optional features include a 10-inch touchscreen and TFT instrument display. 

    Hyundai is keeping mum on pricing until the Santa Cruz launches sometime this summer.

    BTW: If you're wondering why the Santa Cruz took so long to reach production, I recommend this piece from Autoblog which delves into this.

    Source: Hyundai

    Hyundai Unveils Segment-Shattering Santa Cruz Sport Adventure Vehicle

    • Highly-anticipated Santa Cruz Sport Adventure Vehicle Shatters Both SUV and Truck Segments, Creating an Entirely New Vehicle Category
    • Multi-utility, Secure Open Bed Provides Diverse Gear-Carrying Flexibility
    • Powerful and Efficient 2.5L Turbo Powertrain with HTRAC® AWD Capability Available
    • Cutting-edge Connectivity, Convenience and Active Safety Features
    • Compact Footprint Provides Superior Maneuverability in an Open-bed Configuration
    • Proudly Built at Hyundai Motor Manufacturing Alabama (HMMA) in Montgomery

    FOUNTAIN VALLEY, Calif., Apr. 15, 2021 – Hyundai today unveiled its highly anticipated Santa Cruz Sport Adventure Vehicle. The 2022 Santa Cruz breaks new ground within the SUV, Truck and Crossover segments by offering a true Sport Adventure Vehicle unlike anything else in the U.S. market. Santa Cruz boasts bold yet sophisticated design, powerful and efficient powertrain options, a flexible open bed for gear, cutting-edge connectivity and a highly maneuverable all-wheel drive platform that is equally at home in urban and adventure-focused environments. The Santa Cruz Sport Adventure Vehicle begins production in Montgomery, Alabama in June and will be available for sale in summer. The addition of Santa Cruz to HMMA production will add an estimated 1,200 jobs to the U.S. economy. Hyundai is also creating an early reservation system for the U.S.-market Santa Cruz in late April at https://www.hyundaiusa.com/.

    “Santa Cruz, with its bold styling, breaks open all new segment territory, both for Hyundai and the industry as a whole. Open-bed flexibility coupled with closed-cabin security meets the changing everyday needs of its adventure-oriented buyers, while powerful and efficient engines and superb maneuverability ensure it is a pleasure to drive in urban or off-road environments. Our customers will wonder just how they managed before owning one,” said Jose Munoz, president and CEO, Hyundai Motor North America.

    Why Santa Cruz?
    Santa Cruz was developed to be the ultimate Sport Adventure Vehicle, a moniker confirmed in Hyundai’s early consumer research. The research found consumers, often living in urban environments, whose lifestyles include the need to escape to weekend adventures of all kinds. Many of these customers carry various gear and equipment that is better suited to an open bed rather than a typical SUV bodystyle. These buyers want versatile transportation that is equally flexible for urban, adventure, occupational or even home improvement gear. Santa Cruz features a secure, open bed area which includes a lockable tonneau cover, hidden bed storage and versatile bed extension accessories. At the same time, these customers still value the secure utility of a compact SUV, with its comfort, passenger space, fuel efficiency and parking ease. Santa Cruz, with its unique, bold design, created an entirely new segment that meets these specific buyer needs like no vehicle before it.

    Everything about Santa Cruz reflects a duality of purpose in its design execution. This all-new category-bending vehicle holds a variety of imagery in balanced juxtaposition:

    • Urban life connectivity with escape to outdoor adventure
    • Work and play flexibility
    • Tough yet alluring demeanor
    • Roominess with maneuverability
    • Open cargo area and secured, lockable storage
    • Towing capability and fuel efficiency

    The forward view of Santa Cruz deploys a hidden lighting signature that becomes visible within the grille only when illuminated. The daytime running lamps (DRLs) present a parametric jewel design with high-tech precision detailing. A bold, cascading grille anchors the front view, supported by a skid plate element in the lower front fascia. Voluminous hood and fenders further communicate an imposing first impression.

    In profile, Santa Cruz signals a sporty yet capable spirit. The A- and C-pillars present faster forward and rearward rakes than typical open-bed utility vehicles. Large 20-inch alloy wheels with a multi-faceted, triangular design are surrounded by armor-like wheel arches, conveying both wheel-articulation potential and off-road capability. Powerful body side volumes contrast with precise triangular sheer-edged surfaces and tight radius character lines.

    From the rear, a horizontal “T” lighting signature adds visual width and distinguishes Santa Cruz from anything on the road. The functional rear open bed area features secure, lockable in-bed storage, integrated corner bumper steps and a lockable tonneau cover, seamlessly integrated with the overall design. The rear tail lamps are embossed with: “Designed in California” as a testament to the passion of Hyundai’s California-based design team. Small, discrete design details such as this can be found throughout the exterior and interior.

    Interior Design
    The interior of the Santa Cruz expresses a sophisticated and refined appearance. The contrasting rugged yet refined motif matches the boldness of the exterior, boasting a technical ambience that appeals to those who appreciate cutting-edge technologies in their daily lives. It features an enveloping dual-cockpit design that encapsulates each passenger. Design teams focused on ease of ingress and egress and ergonomic comfort on long drives. The premium center stack display features an edgeless infotainment screen appearance, with an impressive 10 inches of visibility. The optional center digital cluster display also measures 10 inches. Under the rear seats is convenient, in-cabin storage. Completing the premium ambience is an available Bose® audio system.

    Powerful and Efficient Powertrains
    Santa Cruz offers two powerful, flexible and efficient powertrains. The standard powertrain is a 2.5L direct-injected in-line four-cylinder engine with an estimated 190+ horsepower and 180+ lb.-ft. of torque. This engine couples to an eight-speed hydraulic automatic transmission for quick acceleration and superb efficiency. Santa Cruz also offers a 2.5L direct-injected turbocharged engine with an estimated 275+ horsepower and 310+ lb.-ft. of torque linked to an eight-speed dual-clutch automatic transmission (DCT). This DCT includes steering-wheel-mounted paddle shifters for manual shifting control by the driver.

    Eight-Speed Automatic Transmission
    The eight-speed transmission for the standard 2.5-liter engine provides quick and crisp shifts for an engaging and efficient driving experience. This automatic transmission adds ratio range at both the top and bottom of output speeds allowing for extra thrust off-the-line and a quieter, more fuel-efficient trip on the interstate. A multi-disc and individually controlled hydraulic channel torque converter improves responsiveness by expanding the direct connection band, while a downsized oil pump and double ball bearings minimize frictional losses.

    Advanced HTRAC® AWD and Towing Capability
    Both 2.5L four-cylinder and 2.5L four-cylinder turbo models offer HTRAC® all-wheel drive capability for complete confidence when pursuing adventures of all kinds or for that extra peace of mind when driving in an unexpected snowfall. The HTRAC AWD system was developed as a multi-mode system, providing an electronic, variable-torque-split clutch with active torque control between the front and rear axles. The Sport setting gives a more agile feel by sending more torque to the rear wheels, for a sporty, dynamic experience. This system has a wide range of torque distribution variability, tuned for conditions such as straight-line acceleration, medium- and high-speed cornering, and hill starts. For those customers who like to tow their weekend gear with them, the 2.5L 4-cylinder is rated at 3,500 lbs. for towing and the 2.5L Turbo AWD model boasts a generous 5,000 lbs. of towing capability.

    Compact Dimensions Yield Superb Maneuverability
    Santa Cruz makes efficient use of its compact dimensions by offering high utility with excellent maneuverability. Its shorter wheelbase and smaller overall footprint make it a joy to maneuver and park in challenging urban parking, with an exceptional curb-to-curb turning radius of only 20.0 feet.

    Specification (in.)

    Santa Cruz

    Tacoma

    Ridgeline

    Frontier

    Length

    195.7

    212.2

    210.0

    205.5

    Width

    75.0

    75.2

    78.5

    72.8

    Height

    66.7

    70.7

    70.3

    70.1

    Wheelbase

    118.3

    127.4

    125.2

    126.0

    Bed Length

    Upper 48.4

    Lower 52.1

    60.4

    63.6

    59.4

    Footprint Area
    (sq. ft.)

    101.9

    109.7

    114.6

    103.9

                     

     

    Responsive and Refined Chassis Tuning
    Santa Cruz was developed with a focus on enhanced driving dynamics and responsive performance for a wide variety of urban and off-road, multi-surface driving conditions. The shorter wheelbase, short overhangs and wide track create a planted stance that results in exceptional agility in urban environments. These specifications also provide confident agility when traversing off-road terrain. Available 20-inch alloy wheels with wide, all-season, all-terrain tires give surefooted, agile handling character on a variety of road surfaces. Available 18-inch wheels with more voluminous tire sidewalls for off-road adventures are also available.

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    21 minutes ago, Robert Hall said:

    Back when I was into bicycling, I used a hitch mount bike rack on my WJ GC.  Worked great.   

    I have a hitch bike rack as well.  But I don't leave them on the car all the time because they are cumbersome, in a way and car don't fit in the garage with it.  When you come from work in the evening and want to go for a quick ride, it is way easier to just to drop the bike in a bed than to put bike rack on and than take it off.

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    On 4/18/2021 at 12:07 AM, smk4565 said:

    Camping, tailgating, over landing, and all the other “active lifestyle” stuff is what the appeal is with the Santa Cruz.  

    No one is going overlanding in a Santa Cruz, the hardware under there is still car based. This is for people who walk paved Rails-to-Trails paths at Ohiopyle and call it hiking.

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    10 minutes ago, Drew Dowdell said:

    No one is going overlanding in a Santa Cruz, the hardware under there is still car based. This is for people who walk paved Rails-to-Trails paths at Ohiopyle and call it hiking.

    Sounds like I'm the target customer...I like the Rails-to-Trails paths here in Cuyahoga Valley National Park and other parks around the metro area.  And off roading for me is pulling my Jeep into gravel parking lots near some of these trails...heh heh...

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    1 minute ago, Robert Hall said:

    Sounds like I'm the target customer...I like the Rails-to-Trails paths here in Cuyahoga Valley National Park and other parks around the metro area.  And off roading for me is pulling my Jeep into gravel parking lots near some of these trails...heh heh...

    How are they for biking? (the pedal kind)

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    Just now, Drew Dowdell said:

    How are they for biking? (the pedal kind)

    Quite good...I see quite a few people in the park on bikes.  I've thought about getting a bicycle again and getting out and about. 

    cuva-towpath_bikers_nps_600.jpg

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    2 hours ago, Robert Hall said:

    Quite good...I see quite a few people in the park on bikes.  I've thought about getting a bicycle again and getting out and about. 

    cuva-towpath_bikers_nps_600.jpg

    Go for it, you will thank yourself. So totally worth it and todays bikes can be e-assist or fully electric with just pedal start. The bikes have gotten very comfy and gives an outstanding experience outside.

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    1 hour ago, balthazar said:

    Or... they can be h-powered. (human).

    I don't get it either.  I thought the point of a bike is to exercise, unless of course you have a medical condition. 

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    ^^^ I was gonna post exactly what @ykX is sayin'.

    I refrained because I didnt want to sound too douchey.   I was gonna say its counter productive to power a bicycle other than h-powered.  Unless of course an E-Bike is used as main transportation as they do in Asian countries and in some European ones too. 

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    ^^^

    I guess you are right. But I still think its counter productive.   If you aint fit to bike ride (too long), than maybe e-assist may work out for you, but what better way to get INTO shape than to NOT use e-assist and use your sheer will power and determination and motivation to use your LEG muscles to POWER YOUR way through and BECOME fit.   I dont know.   Maybe the slogans:  'Just Do it!'   and   'No pain,  No gain'  are just marketing BS...   

     

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    4 minutes ago, oldshurst442 said:

    ^^^

    I guess you are right. But I still think its counter productive.   If you aint fit to bike ride (too long), than maybe e-assist may work out for you, but what better way to get INTO shape than to NOT use e-assist and use your sheer will power and determination and motivation to use your LEG muscles to POWER YOUR way through and BECOME fit.   I dont know.   Maybe the slogans:  'Just Do it!'   and   'No pain,  No gain'  are just marketing BS...   

     

    They are just marketing BS.  

    Unfortunately, we have a whole new class of people now who look fit but have next to zero cardio stamina.  Covid has caused permanent lung damage in many of those who caught it.  Good friends of mine who are(were?) arguably more athletic than I am, now get winded climbing the steps to their second floor apartment and they had Covid over a year ago. One of them was a wrestler.  It's not always about what the legs can do but what the heart and lungs can do. 

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    2 minutes ago, Drew Dowdell said:

    They are just marketing BS.  

    Unfortunately, we have a whole new class of people now who look fit but have next to zero cardio stamina.  Covid has caused permanent lung damage in many of those who caught it.  Good friends of mine who are(were?) arguably more athletic than I am, now get winded climbing the steps to their second floor apartment and they had Covid over a year ago. One of them was a wrestler.  It's not always about what the legs can do but what the heart and lungs can do. 

    I hear ya loud and clear, Drew! 

    Initially, I refrained from spewing my diatribe because I KNEW it be douchey...  But I posted it anyway...  I feel like I need to apologize.  But I wont. Too many people think Canadians are nice and they apologize all the time. Well.  I wont give in to the stereotype!   LOL

     

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    Soooooo then this brings up the question...... ?

    ICE only auto's might get winded due to the small engines, so e-assist might just be the right way to go to help to little, bitty engines! ;) 

    So should we just e-assist all auto's then?

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    1 hour ago, Drew Dowdell said:

    Not everyone is as fit as everyone else.

    That's what gears are for. 

    40 minutes ago, David said:

    Soooooo then this brings up the question...... ?

    ICE only auto's might get winded due to the small engines, so e-assist might just be the right way to go to help to little, bitty engines! ;) 

    So should we just e-assist all auto's then?

    They already have turbochargers. 

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    44 minutes ago, David said:

    Soooooo then this brings up the question...... ?

    ICE only auto's might get winded due to the small engines, so e-assist might just be the right way to go to help to little, bitty engines! ;) 

    So should we just e-assist all auto's then?

     

    36 minutes ago, balthazar said:

    IC is more powerful on average now than ever - what's this wishful thinking?

    yes, in HP/Liter.... if you're spinning them to 7,000 rpm... they are the highest HP/Liter they've ever been....

    But all of the manufacturers putting these sub-1.5liter I3 and I4s in things that really need more displacement is what I think @Davidis referencing.  My Encore was an overall great vehicle hampered by the 1.4T... and now they've made a bigger version powered by a smaller displacement motor. eAssist couldn't hurt.

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    7 hours ago, Drew Dowdell said:

    No one is going overlanding in a Santa Cruz, the hardware under there is still car based. This is for people who walk paved Rails-to-Trails paths at Ohiopyle and call it hiking.

    Could be, but the running gear under a Santa Cruz is no less capable than what is under a Cherokee, Rav4, CR-V, Subaru, Equinox or whatever else and the small-mid crossover market is several million units a year.  The majority of pick up buyers don't tow 10,000 pounds or haul a lot of payload, they overbuy capability they won't ever use.  So I think this Santa Cruz will find a lot of buyers because there isn't anything else like it on market.

    1 hour ago, David said:

    Soooooo then this brings up the question...... ?

    ICE only auto's might get winded due to the small engines, so e-assist might just be the right way to go to help to little, bitty engines! ;) 

    So should we just e-assist all auto's then?

    48 volt mild hybrid everything.   While ICE lasts.

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    4 minutes ago, smk4565 said:

    Could be, but the running gear under a Santa Cruz is no less capable than what is under a Cherokee, Rav4, CR-V, Subaru, Equinox or whatever else and the small-mid crossover market is several million units a year.

    Fixed.

    The Cherokee Trailhawk and certain equipped levels of Forester and Outback are certainly more off-road capable.

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    16 hours ago, Drew Dowdell said:

    Not everyone is as fit as everyone else. The E-Bikes allow for an assist for those who need it. 

    Like those of us with horrible knees that still enjoy riding a bike.

    15 hours ago, balthazar said:

    IC is more powerful on average now than ever - what's this wishful thinking?

    Yeah, those 3 bangers are something to behold for sure. ?

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    34 minutes ago, David said:

    Engineering is always about making it better, faster and easier. Welcome to e-assist! :P 

    You should make e-assist to your weights when you workout.  I am sure that will make you better.

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    e-assist for bicycles is for people who think they want to workout but will only do so a couple random weeks per year. They will NEVER get into any decent kind of shape with a bike like that and a mindset that goes along with them. 

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    30 minutes ago, ccap41 said:

    e-assist for bicycles is for people who think they want to workout but will only do so a couple random weeks per year. They will NEVER get into any decent kind of shape with a bike like that and a mindset that goes along with them. 

    I have to agree.  There are plenty of level, paved or packed gravel bike trails where even a person with bad knees or other health issues can do fine, especially considering that most modern bikes have at least 7 to 12 gears, even cruisers.

    I do understand if someone is using e-bike simply as efficient commuter.  That probably is great in a city and prevents a person to come to work all sweaty.

    But we somehow got derailed from the main article.  Will be interesting to see when Santa Cruz goes on sale how many they will actually sell.

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    1 hour ago, ccap41 said:

    e-assist for bicycles is for people who think they want to workout but will only do so a couple random weeks per year. They will NEVER get into any decent kind of shape with a bike like that and a mindset that goes along with them. 

     

    34 minutes ago, ykX said:

    I have to agree.  There are plenty of level, paved or packed gravel bike trails where even a person with bad knees or other health issues can do fine, especially considering that most modern bikes have at least 7 to 12 gears, even cruisers.

    I do understand if someone is using e-bike simply as efficient commuter.  That probably is great in a city and prevents a person to come to work all sweaty.

    But we somehow got derailed from the main article.  Will be interesting to see when Santa Cruz goes on sale how many they will actually sell.

    I agree that there are many lazy people who will only see e-assist as a way to minimize them having to work out. Yet for those that have medical issues with their joints, tendons, muscles, cardiovascular or heart disease, e-assist will allow them to have more freedom and get out, they still have to pedal, just not as hard.

    I see it as some exercise is better than no exercise and getting fresh air is better than living in a box never moving much.

    For me, I never see the need for e-assist for exercise, I want to feel the discomfort of knowing I am pushing my muscles to the maximum. Deeper breathing to stretch and work the lungs, better firmer muscles to know that I have core strength.

     

    In regards to the Hyundai Santa Cruz Life Style Pickup, I expect it to sell very well. Far more people are getting into mountain biking, gardening and active life style where a pickup like this that allows them to go do fun things with friends and family makes perfect sense and Hyundai has had a good track record of marketing success.

    I think this truck will succeed and I can clearly see an e-assist hybrid model as well as a full on EV model.

    Course with Toyota USA announcement that they will also have BEV trucks by 2023 for the market, makes me think Hybrids will be ignored in favor of going pure electric.

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    3 hours ago, ccap41 said:

    Bikes already have their own built-in "super-duper easy mode". 

     

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    You clearly have never had:

    A.)-Bad knees since you were 19 (thanks football)

    and

    B.)-Biked in a place like Prescott, AZ which 5500 ft above sea level and full of hills

     

    And this is from a former avid bike rider who loved his 21 speed Trek but those hills were murder on my knees when I lived in Prescott, even in the "easiest" gear.

    2 hours ago, ccap41 said:

    e-assist for bicycles is for people who think they want to workout but will only do so a couple random weeks per year. They will NEVER get into any decent kind of shape with a bike like that and a mindset that goes along with them. 

    Literally wrong on all fronts. I've riden E-Bikes (in Arizona) and find them quite helpful while providing that good cardio. Do not assume someones condition based off of their need for an E-Bike.

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    1 hour ago, surreal1272 said:

     And this is from a former avid bike rider who loved his 21 speed Trek but those hills were murder on my knees when I lived in Prescott, even in the "easiest" gear.

    Literally wrong on all fronts. I've riden E-Bikes (in Arizona) and find them quite helpful while providing that good cardio. Do not assume someones condition based off of their need for an E-Bike.

    I get it...I did a lot of mountain biking at 6000-8000ft in the Colorado Springs area in my late 20s and early 30s. Rocky dirt trails with lots of up and down hills.  Had a 21 speed Specialized.  20 years later, I  don't think I could do that now.  Not remotely...my knees ache just living in a split level house with stairs.  And I'm carrying around an extra 50 pounds than then.   I could see an E-Bike working for me.

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    6 hours ago, ykX said:

    I do understand if someone is using e-bike simply as efficient commuter.  That probably is great in a city and prevents a person to come to work all sweaty.

    Agreed and that's a completely different scenario. 

    4 hours ago, surreal1272 said:

    You clearly have never had:

    A.)-Bad knees since you were 19 (thanks football)

    and

    B.)-Biked in a place like Prescott, AZ which 5500 ft above sea level and full of hills

     

    And this is from a former avid bike rider who loved his 21 speed Trek but those hills were murder on my knees when I lived in Prescott, even in the "easiest" gear.

    A: That's what gears are for. Go to a low gear, virtually ZERO resistance. If one wants zero resistance, they're not looking for any workout whatsoever. 

    B: Yes, I've biked in mountains in West Virginia. 

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    • Seems the crazy Stooges circus has begun. https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/liz-cheney-referred-for-criminal-investigation/ar-AA1w2lHB?ocid=BingHp01&cvid=f2884bd4f8b34ba2f527fff1fded1ac6&ei=12 Crazy back n forth, I hope Ukraine can recover their land and kick Russia out. https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/vladimir-putin-embarrassed-as-ukrainian-rout-causes-huge-russian-surrender/ar-AA1w0T5o?ocid=BingHp01&cvid=f2884bd4f8b34ba2f527fff1fded1ac6&ei=23 Next year is going to be one extremely large clown mess of attempted dictatorship wanna be attempts against our Constitution and I fear this is only the beginning as investment firms lock in profits and get out of companies, they do not feel can handle a downturn in a U.S. and or Global Economic recession. https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/dow-suffers-worst-losing-streak-in-nearly-50-years-this-stock-is-driving-index-down/ar-AA1w2wlh?ocid=BingHp01&cvid=f2884bd4f8b34ba2f527fff1fded1ac6&ei=34 This will hurt the GOP as folks assess their view of Conservative with the GOP party. https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/record-slim-house-majority-faces-new-problems-as-gop-lawmaker-announces-exit-from-republican-conference/ar-AA1w2e2V?ocid=BingHp01&cvid=f2884bd4f8b34ba2f527fff1fded1ac6&ei=47 Good to see our judicial system stand up to the snake oil salesmen who think they can get away with various crimes. https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/judge-merchan-just-put-leash-on-trump-during-presidency-legal-analyst/ar-AA1w2qhi?ocid=BingHp01&cvid=f2884bd4f8b34ba2f527fff1fded1ac6&ei=67 This brings up a good question for all here, do you like Standard Time or Daylight Savings time? If you are like me and not wanting to deal with flipping back and forth on time twice a year, which time do you want? https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-says-he-ll-end-daylight-saving-time-here-are-the-winners-and-losers-if-he-does/ar-AA1w1Obc?ocid=BingHp01&cvid=f2884bd4f8b34ba2f527fff1fded1ac6&ei=78 So here is how states have voted to make one or the other permanent and do away with the flip back and forth. I do find it interesting that Ford is still filing patents on EV technology even though they have pulled back and have not really planned to move forward with 800v platform. Ford's Latest Patent Could Revolutionize EV Charging Crazy the lease deals you can get on an EV. As expected another ICE only, death to EV writer finally, actually got behind a wheel and found that the EVs are way better than ICE and even states that his next auto will be an EV now that he has actually driven one and tested it. Interesting read, his few dislikes is more of him needing to choose the display preference. I like mine in Dark mode, but the wife likes hers in light mode. So it is totally customizable. I drove an EV for the first time Have to say, I am hearing more and more from coworkers who were a never EV mind set, have actually test drove and ended up buying an EV. I think the tipping point is here where variety of EV choices are going to only make this more and more common. I suspect the Kia EV3 next year will be a huge deal for them as will the Chevrolet BOLT coming back into the market. Two SUVs that are below $30,000 will attract many new auto buyers.
    • @oldshurst442 Thank you for the laugh, I needed it today. Much appreciated the post you did.
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