Holden Unveils The Next Commodore

I like it because of what it is, which is a fullsize RWD sedan that's gonna hit our shores.

But the exterior styling reminds me of quite a few other cars at once.

The new styling sucks - there, I said it.

I like it! I'm really impressed with the interior. Here's hoping it comes to the States in other than SS trim (which would likely be unobtainable for many people). Can't wait to see what the Ute and Wagon versions look like.

It is certainly less generic than the outgoing car. Now that GM's brands have been pared due to their past screw-ups (an affront to loyal GM fans), they can afford to align the styling between Holden and Chevrolet without much trouble. Now that Chevrolet is more of a global brand, it can more easily make the transition.

I see the precise opposite.

The car went from sharp and unique to shapeless and generic.

Well we need to look at all the fact here that GM has sprinkled about this car. GM has not been real clear on this car or it's place and I think it has confused a lot of people. Also GM was not clear on the future of this car till this week.

This car represents the top level that they can take the Zeta too and it the swan song for the platform, Holden stated this week they plan to replace it with a new platform already in the works in 2016 (Large Zeta?). The Zeta is old and has limits that a new platform can surpass.

This car is not going to be cheap or have many choices. Generally you will buy it and choose a color but there will be little choice in options. There will not be other models unless the exchange rate changes Chevy and Holden have been clear on this. The car I expect will be priced over the Impala LTZ and be in a $42K to $50K range and will sell in number in 5K to 10K range per year.

The devil in this car will be the details. The upgraded interior is just the start as ther SS will be more in tune with a performance Holden vs the standard.

Look for more than a LT1 engine in this car. I am not sure what it will be but being a Halo car Chevy will do more than a base engine, Also look for a magnetic shock suspension that will make it handle as well as many high priced sport sedans but still have a high quality daily driver ride. I expect a duel mode exhaust like the Vette and Camaro base on comments of people I know who heard the car in Warren.

While this car is not all things to all people it will be in the company of the ZL1 and Z06 kind of performance. It will be cheaper than a CTSV but will be pretty much similar performance. We need to keep in mind the CTSV will be moving up soon too.

Now once they move to the new platform in 2016 a lot could happen. Not only will the car lose weight but performce will be even more able with the upgraded hardware, The possiblitly that this car if based on the Alpha could be built in the ATS, CTS and Camaro plant. This would bring in a better chance a Ute and V6 sedan could be added.

The new SS is only creating a slot for a new model in the GM line and will hold it till the new car is ready,

As we know anymore there is so much more and so many more changes GM is working on than we know, GM anymore keeps their plans close and have many more suprises for us.

This car is now one to get too judgment over or over react on for what it is or is not as it is only a gap filler and GM could have just left the slot open and not done anything for two more years, I think Mark has a plan and we should all be happy once it plays out.

The road test and track test will be very telling on this car. Just look at what the Camaro has been doing to the Mustang in test with the magnetic suspensions, expect the same here vs the Charger SRT and 300.

Love the Interior, Exterior is another thing.

Front end reminds me of the ugly Chrysler 200

Rear End reminds me of a Buick

Side profile reminds me of a old Buick and what is up with the vent behind the front tire.

Lets keep the big picture in mind.

First this is a vehicle for Holden and is secondary to Chevy only since it will be very low volume.

Second this car is an old Zeta and is to Holden what the W body was to GM NA. It is at the limits of what they can do and Holden stated this week it is being replaced with a platform already being done for 2016. Big Alpha?

If this new car is on the Alpha it could be added to the Camaro, ATS and CTS line. We could then see a cheaper V6 and Ute at this point as there would not be any issue with the exchange rate,

The devil is in the details on this car as I expect a better than LT1 engine and magnetic shocks with duel mode exhaust. This car will play in the area the ZL1 and Z06 play as it is nearly in that price range.

We knew up front this was not going to be a second coming of the G8. This car is not offensive and should appeal to a large group. It also should do to the Charger SRT8 what the ZL1 did to the Shelby. This car will handle unlike anything in class other than the CTSv and will tear up the track but will give a ride home that will best the 300.

The fact is GM knows more of what is to come and could have waited two more years with no RWD sedan or take this limited approach with a top end performance model that will help establish Chevy as a RWD sedan maker again and then being in a wider range of better models.

I seen stated that the Zeta was at the limits and that is why the Alpha was made. They could go much farther with a new clean sheet vs re engineering the old platform. It was also cheaper.

I expect the chevy will have a little more flash as the Holden posted was not the performance model. But the days of some of the cartoonish Pontiac add ons are over. Don't get me wrong I loved the crazy Pontiacs but I am smart enough to know I was also in the monority when it came to the market as a whole. They just stuck with the cladding a little too long and the G6 GXP's buck teeth just help finish off some of what was wrong at the end. The G8 was not bad but Chevy has to hold to its own look as GM is not going to revisit Pontiac with this car.

Like it or not this is only the start and you will need some time for GM to lay out all the cards. We need to look big picture. I know GM is limited on what they can say but I wish they could be more up front with this car and better explain the whats and why we have what we have and this is only step one.

Mark Ruess gave us RWD 2 years sooner than he had too. We should be glad he has shown commitment. The old GM Managment Matrix would have left us waiting two more years and not even established a beach head for a new RWD line.

While this is not a car for everyone we will see much more in the future is my feeling. 2016 or 17 could be really interesting. GM should be applauded for taking the risk and stepping out into a segment few are willing to start at this time.

some keep waiting for 'perfection' that never comes...........

Watch the CTS in 6 weeks for the upper limit of where Alpha can get to in size. Above that there is the Omega platform coming, while that will be Cadillac only at first, it will have to filter to others as well. That's there this car will likely end up.

The exterior is bland and looks like too many other cars. Sort of looks like a Chrysler, looks like a Hyundai from the back. The styling just doesn't give it any character or personality, it is as if they designed it to just blend in and be forgotten about.

The exterior is bland and looks like too many other cars. Sort of looks like a Chrysler, looks like a Hyundai from the back. The styling just doesn't give it any character or personality, it is as if they designed it to just blend in and be forgotten about.

Quit looking at the trees for once. This car has been designed with the possibility of being sold under multiple brands in multiple countries in mind; it's been designed to be flexible.

Are you nuts, hyper?

All they had to do was not ruin it.

Unfortunately, they did just that.

The VE was perfect at its debut as far as styling goes, this is a pointless (and obvious) nose and tail job that does the car no justice.

W-body?

Are you serious?

Zero comparison there.

Nice; I like it!

Get a grip Camino!

The Zeta was perfect a few years ago and has hit the end of the line unless you love over weight cars. Besides you would never buy one of these anyways nor would you get a coupe or Ute from this package.

The reality is there is a lighter more advanced car on the way and we get the last years of a RWD that will reestablish the RWD segment for Chevy. The coming car will get praised as the ATS has because it will be based on present technology and not 90's technolgy.

The only reason I bring the W body in is it did its job for a long time but it finally hit the limit on how much farther it could go. You know as well as I that the Zeta is a very old car that already has been re engineers to the point it has hit the wall. It is better to start with a new clean sheet of paper vs putting more and more money in a old car.

This also is a Holden first and GM was not going to invest a lot of money for 5000 Chevys a year to look a whole lot different. I do expect the SS to have more HSV add on parts to spice it up vs the photo of the standard Holden we have here. Also the Chevy Zeta Holden has been selling for years always looks similar to the Holden so changing for a hand full of cars imported here would have been a greater risk.

Dude you just have to think and look at the big picture and stop thinking with emotion. Besides you were not going to like this car anyway as it has 2 doors too many for you and would never come here as a ute. If you sit back and watch the next car if built here as I expect could bring with it many more models and changes we would not see if there was no change away from the Zeta.

You need to grasp what is going on that they can't tell you as it will suprise you.

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Watch the CTS in 6 weeks for the upper limit of where Alpha can get to in size. Above that there is the Omega platform coming, while that will be Cadillac only at first, it will have to filter to others as well. That's there this car will likely end up.

I have considered he Omega too for a long time but not sure where it will slot in if at all for Chevy. I still think it may fit at Buick? Also could it be built on the same line as the Alpha?

There is a lot going on here and it will be interesting.

You completely miss the point.

This "refresh" ruined the looks of the car and that wasn't necessary.

Zeta isn't very old, certainly not as old as a W-body, nor as played-out.

Your assertion that this car will not come here in other bodystyles may, or may not, be true. In fact, I almost hope it doesn't now that it looks the way it does.

To me, this is just the final fumble in the way GM has handled Zeta throughout the architecture's history.

Are you nuts, hyper?

All they had to do was not ruin it.

Unfortunately, they did just that.

The VE was perfect at its debut as far as styling goes, this is a pointless (and obvious) nose and tail job that does the car no justice.

W-body?

Are you serious?

Zero comparison there.

Yeah, if any platform is the W-body these days, it's the Epsilon.

Was Zeta pretty much clean sheet, or was it an update of the previous '90s platform that the Monaro/GTO was on? Maybe that is where the W body comparison is coming from....

Was Zeta pretty much clean sheet, or was it an update of the previous '90s platform that the Monaro/GTO was on? Maybe that is where the W body comparison is coming from....

Total clean sheet architecture.

Was Zeta pretty much clean sheet, or was it an update of the previous '90s platform that the Monaro/GTO was on? Maybe that is where the W body comparison is coming from....

Total clean sheet architecture.

That's what I thought...looks like most of the dev work was done in the early '00s...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GM_Zeta_platform

Yes, and not on a hand me down platform.

Zeta was all new , and all Holden.

So much mad.

Camino it is about more than just you. This car will do fine.

This car needs to appel more to down under buyers than anything right now as Chevy will be only taking a limited number.

Also GM has made it clear that the Zeta is at the end of the engineering and economic scale. This was made clear in their statments and the fact they are bringing a new platform in 2 years, That is unless you are in love with 4000 pound cars?

While not as old as the w the Zeta is to an age where most MFG's will replace a platform anymore. Many MFG try not to go more than 10 years anymore.

As for your Holden pure blood thinking that is over as GM is working as one anymore not as a bunch of competing divisions. Holden is getting their a$$ handed to them by FWD Asian cars and while the Zeta is holding on it is no where as strong as it once was. Though it is still doing much better than the Falcon.

This car will do fine and the Chevy I expect will have more aggressive add ons like the HSV. If you want other models like a Coupe and Ute come back in 2016 as that is your best chance at seeing these models. GM and Holden in the last couple weeks have made it clear there will be no UTE on the Zeta coming to America.

You can piss and moan all you like but untill your job is on the line at GM you do not have all he info they have and you future is not held in doubt if things do not go as planned. At this point we are lucky to get what we have now and in time with Ruess we may do better once he gets things in place to provide a economic way to build this line in this country.

There is a lot more to this than just what we discuss here.

For me this is just the opening act and the main show is to come.

Styling is subjective and the like vs dislike is even from the many comments I have read not unlike the Vette. This is a little less hot wheel like than the SRT8 and I expect the car to appeal more to the mature euro like market. Which brings up the fact that it also has to be sold in Europe too.

To me the car did not change enough and still looks dated like a 04 GTO. But I can live with that knowing this is a short term car and that the driveline and suspension will be holding the place till the new lighter car is here.

It is what it is and you were not going to buy it anyways. I will wait till the final Chevy is shown friday before I pass final judgment on the styling. I expect they will have no trouble making 5000 units and it will secure a place in the market for future RWD at Chevy,.

We all need to also keep in mind the car Holden has shown is not the performance model.

We all need to also keep in mind the car Holden has shown is not the performance model.

This. There are a couple of front and rear fascia designs in the photo gallery on page one. Holden hasn't shown their full hand yet. The Chevy SS will most likely be wearing the Commodore SS body kit, etc. which is still under wraps, sort of.

What does any of that have to do with anything?

Look, this car was designed with and for sharp creases and angles. Now they have grafted on a soft, blobby nose and a sort of generic Bangle-butt.

They just don't work on this car.

Very likely, this was done to bring the design "in line" with current Chevy design language.

It get the rationale, but I think it a stupid approach.

I also think the car suffers for it, and will have a lesser impact because of it.

Look, this car was designed with and for sharp creases and angles. Now they have grafted on a soft, blobby nose and a sort of generic Bangle-butt.

They just don't work on this car.

Very likely, this was done to bring the design "in line" with current Chevy design language.

It get the rationale, but I think it a stupid approach.

I also think the car suffers for it, and will have a lesser impact because of it.

I saw the first poll on a GM fan web site and so far it is running like this. Infact better than I expected.

58.43% (208) Love it

36.8% (131) Ok with it

3.09% (11) Hate it

2% (6) other

It is not scientific but to be fair it gives a positive feed back that matches many of the comments I have read.

Camino if you do not like it that is fine but do not get upset if your hate is not universal. Trust me there are things I would not have done to the car too but the fact is GM needs to go after the market as a whole in multiple countries around the world and appeal to a large group of people. I think they did what needed to be done to get the car through till they replace it.

Overal the car has good appeal and will do fine in most of the markets it is sold in. I am just glad they did not get too cartoonish with it and left it a car that would appeal to the euro buyer as much as the American buyer. I just pray they leave off the fake hood scoops of the G8.

I could so see a performance Power train Kit and Body Performance Kit for this car sold by Chevy Dealers.

I could so see a performance Power train Kit and Body Performance Kit for this car sold by Chevy Dealers.

The car presented is the top-end Commodore trim, the CalaisV. They haven't shown neither the base models (Omega and Berlina) nor the performance ones (SV6 and SS). I think that when the performance Commodores are unveiled we'll see exactly how the NA-bound Chevrolet SS looks like. And with the SS likely getting the LT1 (or somethig closely related to the LT1), no need for perfomance or body kits, me thinks. The SS will be more than a competent player

I could so see a performance Power train Kit and Body Performance Kit for this car sold by Chevy Dealers.

The car presented is the top-end Commodore trim, the CalaisV. They haven't shown neither the base models (Omega and Berlina) nor the performance ones (SV6 and SS). I think that when the performance Commodores are unveiled we'll see exactly how the NA-bound Chevrolet SS looks like. And with the SS likely getting the LT1 (or somethig closely related to the LT1), no need for perfomance or body kits, me thinks. The SS will be more than a competent player

There is always room for more Performance!

And better looks.

I am really wondering about the engine package, We have a few new performance LT based engines coming. I expect the 7.0 expected in the Z06. I just read it is expected to be an estimated 550 through 600 HP depending on the final output of the ZR1.

It would be nice to advertise the SS as a 427 SS,

I wouldn't feel any surprise at an LS or an LT being used in the SS - I can see reasons for each.

I think it looks pretty good. The current model was quite plain and required fake hood-scoops to look remotely sporty (G8).

Those of you who like the exterior design are lucky, because the other aspects of the car promise to be stunning.