GM Considers Outsourcing Some Production Of Commercial Vans To Boost Midsize Truck Production

This is good news.  GM needs to step up or miss a golden opportunity.

I wonder how quickly they can spin up production

Smart Move by GM, I expect this to continue strong well through the end of next year now that they have the diesel also.

Like Drew, I wonder how fast they can spin up production at the contractor for the van work.

Presumably AM General is at least familiar with GM processes. And if they're working as hired guns they can probably get up and running pretty quickly.

What a wonderful problem for GM to have in the truck segment.

Thinking they could move it pretty quickly if they set it up right. Same vans that have been built for years.....

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^ Wings, what are you trying to communicate with the period?

I wonder how long the Savana and Express will last anyway.  They are like 20 year old designs and the Euro-style vans are taking over.  The Promaster is a bad vehicle luckily.  But I wonder if GM could allocate that whole factory to pick ups, and build a new van off a new platform some place else.

  On 11/29/2015 at 7:45 PM, smk4565 said:

I wonder how long the Savana and Express will last anyway.  They are like 20 year old designs and the Euro-style vans are taking over.  The Promaster is a bad vehicle luckily.  But I wonder if GM could allocate that whole factory to pick ups, and build a new van off a new platform some place else.

I do wonder if they plan to replace those oldies w/ a modern style van anytime soon.  

I believe the problem is, GM's fullsize van in Europe is a joint venture, they don't have their own design like FCA (horrible FWD POS) or Ford (Transit, much nicer) so they may not have the authority to commit to the fullsize van market here with their European fullsize vans.  I hope they don't hand the market over completely to Ford here in the U.S.

On the other hand, Ford is caught with their pants down here in the U.S. in midsize trucks.  When they dropped the Ranger, they had the audacity to state that the FIESTA would take over as the vehicle of choice for Ranger customers... they held the completely erroneous notion that Ranger customers were more interested in a CHEAP VEHICLE than an actual small pickup truck... everyone can see how that panned out.  Fiesta sales aren't exactly taking up the slack... and I don't see any aftermarket Fiesta Ranchero conversions yet. 

Another point:  how will Ford market their Aussie Ranger here with a tried-and-true steel body, next to their aluminum F-series?  They would sound like hypocrites.

Yeah, the large Opel/Vauxhall Movano is a JV w/ Renault (it's based on the Renault Master), and the midsize Vivano is based on the Renault Trafic.

  On 11/30/2015 at 12:25 AM, Cubical-aka-Moltar said:

Yeah, the large Opel/Vauxhall Movano is a JV w/ Renault (it's based on the Renault Master), and the midsize Vivano is based on the Renault Trafic.

Hmmm... and Renault is in bed with Datsun, and Chevy sells the Datsun NV200 here in the U.S. as the City Express... 

Which, BTW, I have seen like ZERO City Express vans around here on the road, and only very few NV200s... the Transit Connect RULES the tiny van market.  We won't mention the ProMaster City...

  On 11/30/2015 at 12:35 AM, ocnblu said:

 

  On 11/30/2015 at 12:25 AM, Cubical-aka-Moltar said:

Yeah, the large Opel/Vauxhall Movano is a JV w/ Renault (it's based on the Renault Master), and the midsize Vivano is based on the Renault Trafic.

Hmmm... and Renault is in bed with Datsun, and Chevy sells the Datsun NV200 here in the U.S. as the City Express... 

 

Which, BTW, I have seen like ZERO City Express vans around here on the road, and only very few NV200s... the Transit Connect RULES the tiny van market.  We won't mention the ProMaster City...

 

I have yet to see a City Express or a Pro Master City in the Phoenix area.  The only NV200s I've seen are on the front row of the Nissan dealer.  Maybe GM could do a JV to get a variation of the NV1500-3500 and put GM engines and Chevy/GMC noses on them.. 

Note that Nissan hasn't used the Datsun name in the US in 30 years or so..

Well you know me, I like to keep reminding them of their glorious past.

  On 11/29/2015 at 5:29 PM, Wings4Life said:

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Drew, honestly, preemptively modding remarks like that is strange.  Should I have qualified it as to why it would have helped?

  On 11/30/2015 at 12:18 AM, ocnblu said:

I believe the problem is, GM's fullsize van in Europe is a joint venture, they don't have their own design like FCA (horrible FWD POS) or Ford (Transit, much nicer) so they may not have the authority to commit to the fullsize van market here with their European fullsize vans.  I hope they don't hand the market over completely to Ford here in the U.S.

 

On the other hand, Ford is caught with their pants down here in the U.S. in midsize trucks.  When they dropped the Ranger, they had the audacity to state that the FIESTA would take over as the vehicle of choice for Ranger customers... they held the completely erroneous notion that Ranger customers were more interested in a CHEAP VEHICLE than an actual small pickup truck... everyone can see how that panned out.  Fiesta sales aren't exactly taking up the slack... and I don't see any aftermarket Fiesta Ranchero conversions yet. 

 

Another point:  how will Ford market their Aussie Ranger here with a tried-and-true steel body, next to their aluminum F-series?  They would sound like hypocrites.

....and yet drew has no problem with blu's constant fight causing jabs at Ford.

  On 11/30/2015 at 12:58 AM, Wings4Life said:

 

  On 11/30/2015 at 12:18 AM, ocnblu said:

I believe the problem is, GM's fullsize van in Europe is a joint venture, they don't have their own design like FCA (horrible FWD POS) or Ford (Transit, much nicer) so they may not have the authority to commit to the fullsize van market here with their European fullsize vans.  I hope they don't hand the market over completely to Ford here in the U.S.

 

On the other hand, Ford is caught with their pants down here in the U.S. in midsize trucks.  When they dropped the Ranger, they had the audacity to state that the FIESTA would take over as the vehicle of choice for Ranger customers... they held the completely erroneous notion that Ranger customers were more interested in a CHEAP VEHICLE than an actual small pickup truck... everyone can see how that panned out.  Fiesta sales aren't exactly taking up the slack... and I don't see any aftermarket Fiesta Ranchero conversions yet. 

 

Another point:  how will Ford market their Aussie Ranger here with a tried-and-true steel body, next to their aluminum F-series?  They would sound like hypocrites.

 

 

....and yet drew has no problem with blu's constant fight causing jabs at Ford.

 

Wings, this post you quoted has some positive remarks about Ford and their vans.  And you have to agree that dropping the Ranger and the reasoning they gave was off the mark.  Plus I think it is a valid point I brought up about the new Ranger, without denegrating the F-series.

Indeed.

Anyhoo, an extra 40,000 GM passenger trucks per year going into garages is a boon for GM's market share, especially with their half-tons still outstripping the competition as well.

  On 11/30/2015 at 12:54 AM, Wings4Life said:

  On 11/29/2015 at 5:29 PM, Wings4Life said:

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Drew, honestly, preemptively modding remarks like that is strange.  Should I have qualified it as to why it would have helped?

Interesting that you had no problem with his modding when you first came here.

Intelligent discourse is the hallmark of any good forum. That is all that needs to be said in regards to that.