GM Announces Six Brand New Recalls, Covers 3.5 Million Vehicles

Eventually they will run out of cars to recall.

This makes one wonder if the CEO has decided to attack every little thing and get over the issues even the smallest so they can move forward with bullet proof line of auto's. At least I am hoping this is the thinking.

Who's to say the cars being built now are any better than the 2004-2009 era stuff. I mean the 2014 CTS and ATS are on the recall list now, these were supposed to be the best GM had to offer and challenge the Germans. The 2014 Silverado had recall issues too, so have things really changed? It seems like same old, same old.

Bye bye resale value......

so from what im gathering from peoples attitudes is that they are blasting GM for letting the first ignition recall go so long, which is understandable. now people are blasting them for taking care of a potential problem before it becomes one. Which do people want, an apathetic car company or a demonstration of proactively taking care of the consumer?

I think this also demonstrates a good-faith effort to own problem cars that GM would technically not be liable for after the bankruptcy.

These recalls do two things; 1) Maintains a positive reputation for the company regarding shareholders and future sales and 2) a buffer from the courts to allow any class-action lawsuits that are mainly being motivated by greedy trial attorneys.

so from what im gathering from peoples attitudes is that they are blasting GM for letting the first ignition recall go so long, which is understandable. now people are blasting them for taking care of a potential problem before it becomes one. Which do people want, an apathetic car company or a demonstration of proactively taking care of the consumer?

I think we all want the latter, but the rate and amount of vehicles that GM has been recalling is kind of verging on absurd. 

Not that I'm complaining about it, I rather have someone out front.

Bye bye resale value......

How so if the vehicle is fixed?

Ok...now I've got one in the recall list..wonder when I will get a letter...

 

Bye bye resale value......

 

How so if the vehicle is fixed?

 

Would you want to buy something that has "been through so many recalls"?  People who are not car people are going to wonder why a company is recalling so many cars....whether it is in good faith or not. When my neighbor refers to my Cobalt as the "junky" car, this kinda gives you a little insight on just how the media is running wild on this.

Question is just how damaged the rep is right now.....

so from what im gathering from peoples attitudes is that they are blasting GM for letting the first ignition recall go so long, which is understandable. now people are blasting them for taking care of a potential problem before it becomes one. Which do people want, an apathetic car company or a demonstration of proactively taking care of the consumer?

I'm going with going from one extreme to the other.....

 

 

Bye bye resale value......

 

How so if the vehicle is fixed?

 

 

 

Would you want to buy something that has "been through so many recalls"?  People who are not car people are going to wonder why a company is recalling so many cars....whether it is in good faith or not. When my neighbor refers to my Cobalt as the "junky" car, this kinda gives you a little insight on just how the media is running wild on this.

 

 

Question is just how damaged the rep is right now.....

 

Do you have hard evidence other than hear say or perceptions?

Wow it is time for some here to get outside and play.

I have not read all the threads here on this as so many are so old and untouched but I though most here would be up to date on what all is going on.

Yes GM is recalling much but Mary is doing so to clean the slate. Much of what is being recalled would have been a TSB last year. If it looks like or even smells of a recall GM will clean the plate. This is to be proactive and to make sure this issue does no linger like heartburn. Mary has chosen the right way to lead on this and not just sit back and hope it blows over.

Note that sales of new GM vehicles have not been hampered in any way. Being that most of the cars involved in the negative publicity have not been in production for years is a help but the way GM is dealing with it so far has been good.

As of now I see the public losing interest and the media moving on.

Resale values may be effected on a Ion or Cobalt but lets face it how much will you lose on one of these. My HHR values are as good or better than before. I have noted the SS models have even gone up on good clean models since there is more demand than models available.

The real beef I have had is the lack of full disclosure by the media on the 13 deaths. While GM may have played a part in most but not all accidents the media has not been very good at relaying the mitigating circumstanced of many of the crashes.

What has been left out is alcohol was involved in several of the crashes. One the driver was on tripping on drugs.

Over half of them were not belted in.

One may have been having an epileptic seizure prior to the accident and was still under power at over 75 MPH.

Speed was a factor in more than one crash one was 3 times the limit with speed and twice the limit drunk.

Two were killed when a drunk driver went left of center and hit the car head on.

I have read and learned the details on 12 of the 13 deaths and there are only two that I can see had not identified mitigating circumstances that played major roles beyond the failed air bag.  One was a 81 year old woman that I think just could not turn the car and the other had nothing odd listed but the investigation may have been incomplete.  There was one failed seat belt but the woman was over twice the legal limit over.

Now I do not absolve GM of the part failures but in most of these very public cases most of the drivers either hastened or contributed to their own deaths. Most would have lived if they had not been under the influence and or drunk. The media likes to leave this out.

Normally a car stalling is not a death sentence. The fact is the car is still steerable, it will hold enough vacuum to stop the car with several pumps of the brake pedal. The steering is heavy but generally you are able to get the car to the side of the road.

I think you will find the public either does not car so much or they are smart enough to know that this ignition issue is not something that happens often. While it was used on many cars few have had the issue.

GM will have the summer of recalls here to clean everything up. If you have not noticed other brands have opened more recalls too as they know they could also be targeted by the media when they tire of the GM story.

Once we get through the fall this will all go away.

I do see a positive side to this. as some here know the GM culture failure was nothing new and has gone on for decades. It was well documented in the Delorean book On a Clear Day You Can See GM. Bob Lutz talked extensively about it in Car Guys Vs. Bean Counters. He points out how one of his first goals was to start the culture change and keep it going after he left. So far Mary has done so and to me the investigation is the ammo that she needed to put down any uprising that some may attempt to fight her changes. As Bob said there were those who were part of the problem that would come to him and try to move things back to how they used to do it. Mary was facing the same thing and now she has documentation on things that needed changed and they will permit her in a public way to change them for the better.

In the end I see this will make GM a better company and the fears of lower values and dropping sales were no an issue. Hell the higher prices and no incentives on the trucks hurt them more than the recalls. Now that they have been adjusted sales are back to normal there.

As for GM's rep just look around. They are still winning awards on the new cars. Sales are up even more than other brands and there have been no lingering effects even in the height of this ordeal.

As for junky Cobalt. Like you have not heard that before. Most of the pre chapter 11 cars were junky. Yes they had their good points but compared to post Chapter 11 cars there is no comparison. Only the 08 Malibu had much of what we see today and It was the pin in the turning point of the products.

Nearly all the cars being recalled are out  of production and have spent much time in the used market. Most are the cheap cars now and while some may pass them on a used market it has not shown signs of hurting sales of the current line up.

I am not sure if it is just being older cars? Being new GM vs. old GM?,  Or people just not really paying attention to the whole thing. Lets face it if half of the cars still on the road come in they will be lucky

Anyways this is one of those deals you have to put it into perspective and take in all that went on and not just what GM did as the other factors often played just as large of a part of the life and death drama as the ignition. The failed part may have started the chain of unfortunate events but the part on weather you lived or died hinged on the actions and behavior of the driver under the failure. From what I have seen from the accident reports over half of these people would still be alive if they had a belt on. and more if they had not been under the influence and speeding. I don't care what it is but if a car has a failure and you are not in a condition to deal with it who's fault is that?

I would recommend reading the story in Car and Driver August page 19. they test an Ion and make the steering fail as well as brakes and the results are not surprising. The car still stopped well even if they removed the vaccum hose as the check valve kept the vacuum up. The steering was heavier but the car still drove well enough to only be 1.6 MH slower in the slalom.  They like myself point to mitigating circumstances that each driver placed into the case as being a major factor. To thumbs up to Car and Driver for being one of the few media outlets to print things and show things the others failed to disclose.

It is amazing how many people think the reason so many crashed was that the steering locked? They have no idea how this even works.

 

 

 

 

Bye bye resale value......

 

How so if the vehicle is fixed?

 

 

 

Would you want to buy something that has "been through so many recalls"?  People who are not car people are going to wonder why a company is recalling so many cars....whether it is in good faith or not. When my neighbor refers to my Cobalt as the "junky" car, this kinda gives you a little insight on just how the media is running wild on this.

 

 

Question is just how damaged the rep is right now.....

 

 

Do you have hard evidence other than hear say or perceptions?

 

Z, it's okay man-I'm not here to bash on GM....

For us car folk, all we can do is shake our head and moan. It is annoying, but it's not going to stop me from buying or recommending GM cars and trucks.  And GM took care of me when my Cobalt went in for recall work. So all is good there.

It's those non car people who listen to the media I am more worried about. Most people don"t even ask questions, like the whys and hows. Like my neighbor who now thinks everything GM makes now is junk. Or some of my co workers....

As far as evidence, I don't have any...I just take what is going around me. Though I did visit a buddy who works at a local Dodge dealership, and while talking to him, joked about trading my balt in to another guy. Not sure if he thought I was serious, but he did tell me that the most he could give me was like 1500, because there was no way he was going to be able to sell it on his lot...which i interesting, since I think it is more like 5 I think..

Hence why I mentioned the damaged rep.....

 

Wow it is time for some here to get outside and play.

 

I have not read all the threads here on this as so many are so old and untouched but I though most here would be up to date on what all is going on.

 

Yes GM is recalling much but Mary is doing so to clean the slate. Much of what is being recalled would have been a TSB last year. If it looks like or even smells of a recall GM will clean the plate. This is to be proactive and to make sure this issue does no linger like heartburn. Mary has chosen the right way to lead on this and not just sit back and hope it blows over.

 

Note that sales of new GM vehicles have not been hampered in any way. Being that most of the cars involved in the negative publicity have not been in production for years is a help but the way GM is dealing with it so far has been good.

As of now I see the public losing interest and the media moving on.

Resale values may be effected on a Ion or Cobalt but lets face it how much will you lose on one of these. My HHR values are as good or better than before. I have noted the SS models have even gone up on good clean models since there is more demand than models available.

 

The real beef I have had is the lack of full disclosure by the media on the 13 deaths. While GM may have played a part in most but not all accidents the media has not been very good at relaying the mitigating circumstanced of many of the crashes.

 

What has been left out is alcohol was involved in several of the crashes. One the driver was on tripping on drugs.

 

Over half of them were not belted in.

 

One may have been having an epileptic seizure prior to the accident and was still under power at over 75 MPH.

 

Speed was a factor in more than one crash one was 3 times the limit with speed and twice the limit drunk.

 

Two were killed when a drunk driver went left of center and hit the car head on.

 

I have read and learned the details on 12 of the 13 deaths and there are only two that I can see had not identified mitigating circumstances that played major roles beyond the failed air bag.  One was a 81 year old woman that I think just could not turn the car and the other had nothing odd listed but the investigation may have been incomplete.  There was one failed seat belt but the woman was over twice the legal limit over.

 

Now I do not absolve GM of the part failures but in most of these very public cases most of the drivers either hastened or contributed to their own deaths. Most would have lived if they had not been under the influence and or drunk. The media likes to leave this out.

 

Normally a car stalling is not a death sentence. The fact is the car is still steerable, it will hold enough vacuum to stop the car with several pumps of the brake pedal. The steering is heavy but generally you are able to get the car to the side of the road.

 

I think you will find the public either does not car so much or they are smart enough to know that this ignition issue is not something that happens often. While it was used on many cars few have had the issue.

 

GM will have the summer of recalls here to clean everything up. If you have not noticed other brands have opened more recalls too as they know they could also be targeted by the media when they tire of the GM story.

Once we get through the fall this will all go away.

 

I do see a positive side to this. as some here know the GM culture failure was nothing new and has gone on for decades. It was well documented in the Delorean book On a Clear Day You Can See GM. Bob Lutz talked extensively about it in Car Guys Vs. Bean Counters. He points out how one of his first goals was to start the culture change and keep it going after he left. So far Mary has done so and to me the investigation is the ammo that she needed to put down any uprising that some may attempt to fight her changes. As Bob said there were those who were part of the problem that would come to him and try to move things back to how they used to do it. Mary was facing the same thing and now she has documentation on things that needed changed and they will permit her in a public way to change them for the better.

 

In the end I see this will make GM a better company and the fears of lower values and dropping sales were no an issue. Hell the higher prices and no incentives on the trucks hurt them more than the recalls. Now that they have been adjusted sales are back to normal there.

 

As for GM's rep just look around. They are still winning awards on the new cars. Sales are up even more than other brands and there have been no lingering effects even in the height of this ordeal.

 

As for junky Cobalt. Like you have not heard that before. Most of the pre chapter 11 cars were junky. Yes they had their good points but compared to post Chapter 11 cars there is no comparison. Only the 08 Malibu had much of what we see today and It was the pin in the turning point of the products.

 

Nearly all the cars being recalled are out  of production and have spent much time in the used market. Most are the cheap cars now and while some may pass them on a used market it has not shown signs of hurting sales of the current line up.

 

I am not sure if it is just being older cars? Being new GM vs. old GM?,  Or people just not really paying attention to the whole thing. Lets face it if half of the cars still on the road come in they will be lucky

 

Anyways this is one of those deals you have to put it into perspective and take in all that went on and not just what GM did as the other factors often played just as large of a part of the life and death drama as the ignition. The failed part may have started the chain of unfortunate events but the part on weather you lived or died hinged on the actions and behavior of the driver under the failure. From what I have seen from the accident reports over half of these people would still be alive if they had a belt on. and more if they had not been under the influence and speeding. I don't care what it is but if a car has a failure and you are not in a condition to deal with it who's fault is that?

 

I would recommend reading the story in Car and Driver August page 19. they test an Ion and make the steering fail as well as brakes and the results are not surprising. The car still stopped well even if they removed the vaccum hose as the check valve kept the vacuum up. The steering was heavier but the car still drove well enough to only be 1.6 MH slower in the slalom.  They like myself point to mitigating circumstances that each driver placed into the case as being a major factor. To thumbs up to Car and Driver for being one of the few media outlets to print things and show things the others failed to disclose.

 

It is amazing how many people think the reason so many crashed was that the steering locked? They have no idea how this even works.

 

 

True...hence my issues and beef with the media right now.....they are trying to turn this from a roast to a full blown BBQ.....

And as far as my Cobalt, It's not the world's great car (still prefer my Cavalier over it), but short of a few issues, has not done me wrong. Far from junky...

Besides, the Balt is my beater.....not worried what people think about it anyways. That, and it's well cared for anyways......

 

 

 

 

Bye bye resale value......

 

How so if the vehicle is fixed?

 

 

 

Would you want to buy something that has "been through so many recalls"?  People who are not car people are going to wonder why a company is recalling so many cars....whether it is in good faith or not. When my neighbor refers to my Cobalt as the "junky" car, this kinda gives you a little insight on just how the media is running wild on this.

 

 

Question is just how damaged the rep is right now.....

 

 

Do you have hard evidence other than hear say or perceptions?

 

Z, it's okay man-I'm not here to bash on GM....

 

For us car folk, all we can do is shake our head and moan. It is annoying, but it's not going to stop me from buying or recommending GM cars and trucks.  And GM took care of me when my Cobalt went in for recall work. So all is good there.

 

It's those non car people who listen to the media I am more worried about. Most people don"t even ask questions, like the whys and hows. Like my neighbor who now thinks everything GM makes now is junk. Or some of my co workers....

 

 

As far as evidence, I don't have any...I just take what is going around me. Though I did visit a buddy who works at a local Dodge dealership, and while talking to him, joked about trading my balt in to another guy. Not sure if he thought I was serious, but he did tell me that the most he could give me was like 1500, because there was no way he was going to be able to sell it on his lot...which i interesting, since I think it is more like 5 I think..

 

Hence why I mentioned the damaged rep.....

 

Damaged reputation is different than resale value. The entire question started with what makes you think the resale value is down? When numbers from KBB, ALG and Blackbook actually show that the values have not been affected for the recalled vehicles nor for other GM vehicles. By supporting or condoning the misinformed people, knowledgeable people just exacerbate the problems, don't you think? The misinformation agenda has its goals accomplished.

Guess the flood gates have started to open on recalls now that Honda, Mazda, Nizzan and Toyota have issued major recalls over airbags from Takata industry.

http://www.nbcnews.com/business/autos/honda-mazda-nissan-recall-vehicles-over-takata-airbags-n138166

This will for sure take some pressure off GM as people focus on their autos that do not have a working airbag. Nothing like having 6 million autos that have exploding airbags that will not protect you. wow.

My issue is that Chrysler, Toyota, and Ford are sneaking in a bunch of big recalls too and getting very very little press about it. It is something I need to address here when I get a couple of seconds to breath.

My issue is that Chrysler, Toyota, and Ford are sneaking in a bunch of big recalls too and getting very very little press about it. It is something I need to address here when I get a couple of seconds to breath.

Very Cool, I would agree that a good editorial should be done on all the recalls and a spreadsheet showing each company and the recalls would go a long way to give a bigger picture of how it is affecting everyone.

I do like that GM stock is not really being affected and I think over all this is starting to become a good thing for GM to address and attack with showing a proactive approach to taking care of business and quality.

My issue is that Chrysler, Toyota, and Ford are sneaking in a bunch of big recalls too and getting very very little press about it. It is something I need to address here when I get a couple of seconds to breath.

Yes, my issue is with Hypocrisy. These guys have recalled as much as GM has, yet there is no one crying river on it.

Honda recalling airbags after 14 years? I want to see Blumenthal calling for a Congressional hearing for that and those victims' families standing holding signs saying "Honda is Bad."

Exactly, how do you recall a 2002 auto for bad airbags that explode rather than expand to protect. Amazing.

 

My issue is that Chrysler, Toyota, and Ford are sneaking in a bunch of big recalls too and getting very very little press about it. It is something I need to address here when I get a couple of seconds to breath.

 

Yes, my issue is with Hypocrisy. These guys have recalled as much as GM has, yet there is no one crying river on it.

 

Honda recalling airbags after 14 years? I want to see Blumenthal calling for a Congressional hearing for that and those victims' families standing holding signs saying "Honda is Bad."

 

The bigger question... how long did Honda know about it?

Honda knows about an A/C issue in all 2002 - 2007 CR-Vs, Civics, Accords, and Odyssey where the compressors grenade and the entire A/C system has to be replaced. Not being recalled... if you're out of warranty (as you most certainly are by 2014) you are SOL. 

 

 

My issue is that Chrysler, Toyota, and Ford are sneaking in a bunch of big recalls too and getting very very little press about it. It is something I need to address here when I get a couple of seconds to breath.

 

Yes, my issue is with Hypocrisy. These guys have recalled as much as GM has, yet there is no one crying river on it.

 

Honda recalling airbags after 14 years? I want to see Blumenthal calling for a Congressional hearing for that and those victims' families standing holding signs saying "Honda is Bad."

 

 

The bigger question... how long did Honda know about it?

 

Honda knows about an A/C issue in all 2002 - 2007 CR-Vs, Civics, Accords, and Odyssey where the compressors grenade and the entire A/C system has to be replaced. Not being recalled... if you're out of warranty (as you most certainly are by 2014) you are SOL. 

 

WOW, I wonder not if, but when that AC system grenades if it causes damage to the engine that could cause an accident if they will deal with it then.

No... it is an internal grenading.  I've already had it happen to our CR-V a few summers ago. After I bitched out Honda on Twitter, I got them to "goodwill" 50% of the replacement cost. There is/was a class action lawsuit in NJ about it.

Very interesting, guess in this case the bean counters probably won then. Sucks they did not take care of a poor engineering product.

 

 

My issue is that Chrysler, Toyota, and Ford are sneaking in a bunch of big recalls too and getting very very little press about it. It is something I need to address here when I get a couple of seconds to breath.

 

Yes, my issue is with Hypocrisy. These guys have recalled as much as GM has, yet there is no one crying river on it.

 

Honda recalling airbags after 14 years? I want to see Blumenthal calling for a Congressional hearing for that and those victims' families standing holding signs saying "Honda is Bad."

 

 

The bigger question... how long did Honda know about it?

 

Honda knows about an A/C issue in all 2002 - 2007 CR-Vs, Civics, Accords, and Odyssey where the compressors grenade and the entire A/C system has to be replaced. Not being recalled... if you're out of warranty (as you most certainly are by 2014) you are SOL. 

 

My friend is STILL waiting for her 2002 Accord airbag situation to be announced by Honda.  She read it in the paper, and dealers still say, after years, they received nothing about the recall.

We've already had the airbag bolts replaced once on the CR-V... I guess this next step is the whole airbag unit?  If so, it would be a while before they spin up enough manufacturing capacity to replace all of the airbags out there.

I guess I'll wait for my notice in the mail.  The letter for the steering recall on in my mom's Malibu arrived last week.  It seems like they're just airing out every potential skeleton and getting everything out in the open, which they are being an opportunity to do.

At the same time, my parents have had their '09 for about four and a half years, and it's close to seven years and 100'000 miles since I drove my '07 off the dealer lot as a high school senior (hard to believe!).  In all of the time I've spent behind the wheel of that car, it's been through seven harsh Alberta winters with bad frost heaves and unplowed/ungraded, wagon path-esque residential sidestreets to say nothing of the occasional sketchy country dirt roads, I've never had this happen, nor has any behavior of the ignition switch or keys suggested throughout the course of normal operation any issue.

Leads me to think this is probably one of those 'hit-and-miss' QC issues where you either have a good part or a bad one.

http://gmauthority.com/blog/2014/06/impala-recall-another-thorn-in-general-motors-side/

A story on GMAuthority today quoted a GM employee with an early-build '06 having this occur on I-75 while commuting home from work... Now I've never been to Michigan but I can't fathom how an interstate highway could ever be in worse condition than the roads I spend eight months a year driving on- which makes me wonder how much s--t would have to have been on that keychain, or how defective the cylinder would have to be to back off in a situation like that, especially considering the key goes in high on the column away from your knees (unless you're Shaq) and enters at a 90* angle to the column.  It takes a conscious effort to move the key out of "run" in my Impala- certainly more effort than I could imagine being caused by g-forces associated with a pothole or frost heave- and I have ten keys on my keychain.

Guess I'll wait and see- maybe I'll post pics of the key once they're done drilling "speed holes" in it (LOL)

They have had to stop selling new Cruzes now because of faulty airbags.  You'd think they would test this stuff before putting it in cars and shipping them to dealers.  So it looks like the 2014 Cruze is the next on the recall list.  And yes Toyota is just as guilty as GM, Toyota builds junk too, their owners are just blinded to it, because they haven't driven anything but a Toyota in the past 20 years and they don't know how good Hyundai, Kia, Mazda etc have gotten.  I saw a Mazda 3 hatchback the other day and thought it looked like something BMW or Infiniti would make, it looked really sharp.

 

My issue is that Chrysler, Toyota, and Ford are sneaking in a bunch of big recalls too and getting very very little press about it. It is something I need to address here when I get a couple of seconds to breath.

 

Yes, my issue is with Hypocrisy. These guys have recalled as much as GM has, yet there is no one crying river on it.

 

Honda recalling airbags after 14 years? I want to see Blumenthal calling for a Congressional hearing for that and those victims' families standing holding signs saying "Honda is Bad."

 

True....But keep in mind Honda and Toyota's Sheeple flock is much, much bigger than GM's...

The Media seems to have a real ire of GM for some reason...

This is the deal. GM is a media Darling to beat on as they represent all that is good and bad in this country to all people. There are those who see GM as Americas strength and those who see it as our weakness. Just look at  the on going argument about the bail out.

Then you have those who love cooperation's and invest in them while others say they are our down fall. With all this GM is the perfect target for the media. If it bleeds it leads.
 

Also the media loves to bash large companies as most in the media are ant corporate anyways even though most of them work for larger publication corporations.

GM is just getting every thing out of the way here. We will have the summer of recalls and if anything hints at safety GM will continue to recall it. It will help show they are not covering up or over looking anything.

The others are not just sneaking recalls through. The fact is the media is not focused on it.  Most have been reported but only once with no comments added. It is more a free pass from the media.

It is sad that nearly all news outlets are now agenda driven and controlled. They no longer report the news but try to change public opinion

GM is not the first to get hammered here as Audi got it, Ford, Toyota to a degree and others.

It is a shame the media do not hold themselves to the same high standards they want to hold cooperation's to. .Report the facts to me and let me decide how I feel about it. Too often I get someone telling how I should feel or think. The shame is so many people are so disconnected for the real world they let them think for them. This is why we are in such a mess today.